Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #47

[firebird]

I am raising my grandson. He has no parents. He has to be with me whether I am concerned or not.

Well then , HE shouldn't go to school. Not hundreds of his classmates who aren't in the same situation. jmo

 

[Tripod]

I predict that they are going to insist that kids are sent to school or daycare or summer camp, and back it up with a penalty, no unemployment, no programs, either go back to work "now that your kids are in school". Or you're on your own. Kids as guinea pigs to support corporations.

This is about thousands upon thousands of small businesses. And medium-sized businesses, and sure, large businesses. More than that, though, it's about life. Yes, life- our family's lives, our mental health and well-being, and that without a healthy economy, even our physical well-being and health are in tremendous jeopardy. Unbelievable jeopardy. How does a local government fulfill it's duties, let alone state and federal, without any revenue? The US economy could very well totally collapse if things aren't opened up before too long, and opened up in as responsible manner as is possible. If there's a total collapse, nothing is coming back and many more millions of lives will be destroyed. The world's economy also depends on the US economy- we're all connected and perhaps we're connected a bit too much.

I see no reason why certain folks cannot continue to self-isolate, even if most things are "opened" up on a rolling basis. We'll keep getting more availability of testing, hopefully a wider availability of different therapeutics, and we continually are learning more about this virus. I can see our entire healthcare system collapse if we stay shutdown too long, as well. Doctors, nurses, techs, drug makers, medical device makers-- all depend on other workers and constant revenue.
I say that because our federal govt. is printing money hand over fist to try to get us through this crisis, and we can't keep that up without dire consequences for long, either. ( though we've done a great job of doing that for years...)

 

[katydid23]

The Plan for reopening "Work for America" 1a8a55a6-68f9-4b76-8e02-01779290c1a5.

This type of thinking really bothers me, from the above plan:

"Tightening of mitigation measures will be needed if signs of increased
transmission create strain to the public health or health system capacity are
detected. When indicators signal a return to sufficient public health and health
system capacity, mitigation measures can again be loosened."
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IE cases & deaths don't matter as long as the hospitals have capacity. It's really hard for me to believe that the CDC and FDA allowed their names to be put on this document.

Here is the problem. This is a VERY contagious virus. At some point, almost everybody is going to be exposed to it. Only those who never leave their homes, are going to be totally safe.

But how long can we all stay locked down?

It is not possible to avoid the inevitable forever. At some point, we have to send the people with anti-bodies, and the people at less risk, out into the world.

It is not possible for countries to continue printing trillions of dollars and passing it around, willy nilly. It cannot be done like that forever.

We are already facing a devastating financial meltdown. But at some time, it will be a point of no return.

If you have a plan, where everyone can quarantine themselves, and the country can continue to supply everyone food and medicine and money for their bills, I'd love to hear it. I don't think anyone has come up with any viable plans for that yet though. JMO

 

[katydid23]

This is about thousands upon thousands of small businesses. And medium-sized businesses, and sure, large businesses. More than that, though, it's about life. Yes, life- our family's lives, our mental health and well-being, and that without a healthy economy, even our physical well-being and health are in tremendous jeopardy. Unbelievable jeopardy. How does a local government fulfill it's duties, let alone state and federal, without any revenue? The US economy could very well totally collapse if things aren't opened up before too long, and opened up in as responsible manner as is possible. If there's a total collapse, nothing is coming back and many more millions of lives will be destroyed. The world's economy also depends on the US economy- we're all connected and perhaps we're connected a bit too much.

I see no reason why certain folks cannot continue to self-isolate, even if most things are "opened" up on a rolling basis. We'll keep getting more availability of testing, hopefully a wider availability of different therapeutics, and we continually are learning more about this virus. I can see our entire healthcare system collapse if we stay shutdown too long, as well. Doctors, nurses, techs, drug makers, medical device makers-- all depend on other workers and constant revenue.
I say that because our federal govt. is printing money hand over fist to try to get us through this crisis, and we can't keep that up without dire consequences for long, either. ( though we've done a great job of doing that for years...)

 

[katydid23]

I’m not seeing a viable safe way for family to visit their parents/grandparents in person for a long time.

Here is what I envision.

I go to see my Mom in her retirement community. They will have the 15 minute tests available for visitors, even if we have to pay a fee, to determine that I am not positive for the virus.

And then I am allowed to visit with her, as long as we stay quarantined in her apartment there.

I will shower and change into clean clothing in her place, and then I can give her a nice hug.

After a nice weekend visit I can return home, knowing I didn't bring her any danger.

 

[katydid23]

The research, published in the journal Nature Medicine, adds to a growing body of evidence showing that seemingly healthy people are spreading the virus.

"We observed the highest viral load in throat swabs at the time of symptom onset, and inferred that infectiousness peaked on or before symptom onset," the researchers wrote.

They found that viral shedding -- when people may be able to infect others -- could begin two to three days before symptoms appeared. The amount of virus given off, though, appeared to decline after people began feeling sick.
Researchers gave a stark warning alongside their research: Because people may be spreading the virus before they show symptoms, public health interventions -- such as contact tracing -- will need to be adjusted.

Not only will investigators need to identify those who were exposed to symptomatic people, but they may also need to look retroactively -- tracing contacts from when people still felt healthy.
People might be most infectious with coronavirus before they show symptoms, study suggests - CNN

If someone is tested at the time they still feel healthy, does it show up in the new 15 minute tests that they are carriers?

 

[Tripod]

yeah the 'responsibility' bonus tell me all I need to know about that place of work

I wish Smithfield was still an American-owned company and hadn't been bought by a Chinese company I was saddened when that happened. Hope the workers are taken care of and can survive.

 

[gngr~snap]

Dbm

 

[Lilibet]

In case folks missed sillybilly’s post earlier (#420):

Some post have been removed. Move on from the Chris Cuomo/bicyclist discussion.

Also, links and posts downplaying or minimizing significance of this global crisis are irrresponsible and will be removed. Countries worldwide are not involved in some hoax or conspiracy.

 

[CeeCeeCat]

Captain Tom Moore's 100th Birthday Walk for the NHS

Now over £12m has been raised! Incredible, when you think the initial target was to raise £1000.
I’m sure this has given Captain Tom a new lease of life, too. What an achievement.

 

[firebird]

In case folks missed sillybilly’s post earlier (#420):

Some post have been removed. Move on from the Chris Cuomo/bicyclist discussion.

Also, links and posts downplaying or minimizing significance of this global crisis are irrresponsible and will be removed. Countries worldwide are not involved in some hoax or conspiracy.

Thanks for the reminder, Lilibet. I hope you and yours are holding up okay. Praying for you!

 

[Lilibet]

Thanks for the reminder, Lilibet. I hope you and yours are holding up okay. Praying for you!

Thanks @firebird. We’re hanging in there...at home. It’s a good time to not mind one’s own company!

 

[firebird]

Thanks @firebird. We’re hanging in there...at home. It’s a good time to not mind one’s own company!

I'm "essential" so I'm working every day ... which is probably a good thing since my kids are all home. lol

 

[Tigerlily75]

Late last year I spent a couple of weeks backpacking solo around Uzbekistan (amazing btw!). So I thought I’d look up how they are doing.

Uzbekistan (pop. 33 million)
Cases: 1349
Deaths: 4

https://menafn.com/1100031964/Uzbekistan-reveals-its-coronavirus-statistics

Uzbekistan shores up food defenses as coronavirus rages

Is Uzbekistan using coronavirus to curtail civil liberties?

 

[Lilibet]

Late last year I spent a couple of weeks backpacking solo around Uzbekistan (amazing btw!). So I thought I’d look up how they are doing.

Uzbekistan (pop. 33 million)
Cases: 1349
Deaths: 4

Uzbekistan reveals its coronavirus statistics

Uzbekistan shores up food defenses as coronavirus rages

Is Uzbekistan using coronavirus to curtail civil liberties?

Very interesting. Thanks @Tigerlily75.

 

[tresir2012]

Wow. This is really interesting. About 40-45% were CV+ but asymptomatic. First of all, that's a great overall stat to have figured out for that population, I'm truly amazed it wasn't higher.

Second, it means that yep, there are tons of asymptomatic people. Police, social workers, and homeless shelter workers all interact with the people in that shelter regularly, and that's true across the nation. The interior must be filled with living virus. PPE FOR ALL ESSENTIAL WORKERS!

And it needs to be real PPE, not makeshift. This is why places like L.A. are working frantically to get the homeless off the streets and out of the shelters and into hotels that aren't being used. Slow going.

So are asymptomatic people infectious? I am not clear about this.

 

[MarziPanda]

It is a strange world yes. But if you interact with the public at work then I guess your parents will be at risk, so don't take unnecessary risks. Regarding WHO, why did they not declare CV19 a pandemic before 11 Mar ? That is what I cannot understand. It left China's borders in January or possibly even earlier. I was amazed when I looked at the WHO statistical reports to see how it spread so quickly from Wuhan, mainly by air travel.

It was not a pandemic until that point. There are certain criteria to be met, and covid hadn't reached it until that point, or there wasn't enough information to declare it one until that point.

<modsnip: politicizing is not allowed>

 

[katydid23]

Thanks for posting that. The researcher said the dna sequencing proved that her research was not the source. Some of those articles trying to red herring China and shift blame even say that the lab released dead bodies of their bats to sell in the markets. WaPo, Pompeo, have egg on their faces. If there was a problem HE and the administration did nothing about it.

Of course the researcher said that. I'd like to see if an objective researcher could verify as much.

 

[tmar]

Nancy Pelosi Visits San Francisco’s Chinatown Amid Coronavirus Concerns
By NBC Bay Area staff • Published February 24, 2020 • Updated on February 25, 2020 at 7:05 am
Nancy Pelosi Visits San Francisco’s Chinatown Amid Coronavirus Concerns

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi toured San Francisco's Chinatown Monday to send a message. She said there's no reason tourists or locals should be staying away from the area because of coronavirus concerns.

"That’s what we’re trying to do today is to say everything is fine here," Pelosi said. "Come because precautions have been taken. The city is on top of the situation."

House Speaker, Democrat Nancy Pelosi tours Chinatown to debunk racial hysteria surrounding coronavirus – February 24, 2020
House Speaker, Democrat Nancy Pelosi tours Chinatown to debunk racial hysteria surrounding coronavirus – February 24, 2020

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DBM

 

[katydid23]

It was not a pandemic until that point. There are certain criteria to be met, and covid hadn't reached it until that point, or there wasn't enough information to declare it one until that point.

<modsnip: politicizing is not allowed>

WHO recommends against international travel restrictions: January 10, 2020, WHO advice for international travel and trade in relation to the outbreak of pneumonia caused by a new coronavirus in China



WHO claimed "no clear evidence of human to human transmission": January 12, 2020, WHO | Novel Coronavirus – China

WHO claimed "there has been no suggestion of human to human transmission of this new coronavirus": January 13, 2020, Novel coronavirus in Thailand



China and WHO claim that how the virus is transmitted is unknown: January 19, 2020, New coronavirus 'preventable and controllable', China says - BBC News



WHO Director-General states that a travel ban is not needed: February 3, 2020, WHO chief says widespread travel bans not needed to beat China virus - Reuters , WHO Director-Generals opening remarks at the technical briefing on 2019 novel coronavirus