Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #48

[Lilibet]

My husband just returned from picking up Rx’s, supplements and food. This independent local discount supermarket had no sanitizer or wipes left. He was the only one wearing a mask and gloves. No barrier between customer and checker. He put all the groceries in the cart and packed them into our bags in the car. He won’t be going back there for quite awhile. The only advantage is supplements at a reasonable price, but they can be ordered online. It’s only Safeway from now on, and Instacart for the bigger shopping.

 

[Bravo]

Oh my!

‘Waitress’ Star Nick Cordero’s Leg Amputated Due to Coronavirus Complications

 

[jjenny]

My husband just returned from picking up Rx’s, supplements and food. This independent local discount supermarket had no sanitizer or wipes left. He was the only one wearing a mask and gloves. No barrier between customer and checker. He put all the groceries in the cart and packed them into our bags in the car. He won’t be going back there for quite awhile. The only advantage is supplements at a reasonable price, but they can be ordered online. It’s only Safeway from now on, and Instacart for the bigger shopping.

I was dreading going to the pharmacy but turns out they now deliver. You could call and ask if yours does.

 

[Lilibet]

I was dreading going to the pharmacy but turns out they now deliver. You could call and ask if yours does.

They never have, but I will check. He was able to go through the drive-through, so that helped. It was the supermarket next door that was icky. But he was able to get TP, paper towels and Kleenex so that was good.

 

[Lilibet]

Oh my!

‘Waitress’ Star Nick Cordero’s Leg Amputated Due to Coronavirus Complications

That’s awful. And only 41.

 

[tmar]

Why is Belgium a Europe hotspot for COVID-19 deaths?

Michelle Clifford, Europe correspondent
7 hrs ago
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This week Belgium recorded the highest death rate from COVID-19 cases in Europe.

In Flanders - the region worst hit by the virus - many are asking "why is it so bad here?"

Was it the fact many from here went skiing in Italy at the start of the outbreak and picked up the virus. Or were mistakes made from the start?
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Reuters Belgium's death rate is high compared to other countries because of the way figures are collated, it is argued This week Belgium recorded the highest death rate from COVID-19 cases in Europe.

In Flanders - the region worst hit by the virus - many are asking "why is it so bad here?"

A large elderly population? Some densely populated cities? (although you wouldn't know that during the lockdown).

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"We record everything. Deaths everywhere, not just in hospitals."

And that includes deaths suspected to be from COVID but not actually tested. More of those deaths are in care homes.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

One reason for the higher number of cases in Sweden compared to the other Nordic countries is that Sweden has about twice as many inhabitants than the other countries.

When you look to the number of cases per 1 million inhabitants (at Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,324,731 Cases and 160,434 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer ) today the difference isn't that much higher compared with Norway and Denmark. Finland is the country with the fewest cases.

Total number of cases / cases per 1M population :
Faeroe Islands 184 /3,766
Iceland 1,760 / 5,158
Finland 3,681 / 664
Norway 7,036 / 1,298
Denmark 7,242 / 1,250
Sweden 13,822 / 1,369

As you can see, the two countries with the lowest number of cases are those who have been hardest hit in comparison to their population.

I'm more interested in learning why Finland has such a low infection number compared to other Nordic countries.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

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There are stringent laws and protocols now put in place by the federal government for research at American universities, over the last year. Now when faculty and staff travel to China for research and/or teaching purposes, we can't even get access to university work-related email accounts, they are blocked. And all funding for research that is from China has to be reported to the federal government, etc. There has been a real tightening of research related to China by the U.S. government in relation to universities in the U.S. Very strick protocols that we are implementing daily. If you don't do so, universities can lose their ability to secure research grants from the National Science Foundation (NSF), National Institutes of Health (NIH) and other federal sources of funding for research universities.

i have tried to understand and accept this as well....but have been aware of minimal concerns, locally, certainly not anywhere near what we are facing universally, or nationally.... and have still felt "how did this go through without oversight". Just saying.... In my personal opinion there is so much more oversight needed...and for the most part, feel that universities have gotten away with ...lets just say...minimal oversight for a long time.

 

[tmar]

Bill Cosby, 82, is denied early release from jail despite dozens of COVID-19 infections inside his prison and a fellow inmate DYING from the virus

Andrew Court
2 hrs ago
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Bill Cosby has been denied early release from prison despite a COVID-19 outbreak inside the facility where he is housed.

The disgraced comedian, 82, is serving three to 10 years at SCI Phoenix in Skippack, Pennsylvania after being found guilty of aggravated sexual assault in 2018.

Last Friday, Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf revealed a plan to 'temporarily relieve' at-risk inmates in a bid to stop the spread of the coronavirus behind bars.

 

[10ofRods]

I posted a graph earlier that analysed 4,000 deaths and 9 out of 10 had an underlying health condition, heart disease, alzheimers, diabetes, etc so a lot of people think, this isn't going to affect me and those people would be the ones who want to go about their regular lives. The protesters are not necessarily going to get the disease as the infection rate is fairly low IMO.

I disagree. It's like the common cold. Eventually, everyone is going to get it. Except for shut-ins. Many will be asymptomatic, but they will still have it and endanger others. Maybe they don't care - but the others care. At some point, some of the family members of these people will be very sorry they got CoVid which, even if it doesn't kill you, is a rotten disease to have and some of those going home from the hospital now do, in fact, have pre-existing conditions (lung damage).

But unlike the common cold, it has a higher mortality rate.

Your last statement is true now, at the beginning of this. We hope this thing is seasonal, but it may not be.

I find it hard to believe that not one of those people is a smoker or an asthmatic, btw. 70% of Americans are obese and there were many in that crowd who were obese.

Obesity is probably the #1 underlying condition for those 70 and under who die or have a severe course of this disease (and it is comorbid with diabetes, metabolic disorders, heart disease and high blood pressure). Diabetes and high blood pressure without obesity are probably tied for second place.

I didn't see your graph and that stat does not line up with what they're reporting from Italy, New York or California - so if you have a link, that would be great.

It's one-third just old age, IMO. Of course, most elderly have a preexisting condition. You do know that over 100 healthy doctors died in Italy? And that right now, a doctor (healthy) is on a ventilator at Brooklyn Hospital? Why don't those protestors care about their healthcare providers? Would they be willing to sign away their rights to healthcare in order to reopen?

Maybe we can strike a deal < modsnip>

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I did see one comment that said they should both (OZ and Phil) be called "Mr" from now on given the bombastically offensive things they both just publicly said. "Over the course of its run, various episodes and segment features have been criticized for a lack of scientific credibility in reference to the medical claims on The Dr. Oz Show. A study by the British Medical Journal in 2014 concluded that less than half the claims made on the Dr Oz Show were backed by "some" evidence, and that fell to a third when the threshold was raised to "believable" evidence.[1] The website Science Based Medicine goes even further, claiming: "No other show on television can top The Dr. Oz Show for the sheer magnitude of bad health advice it consistently offers, all while giving everything a veneer of credibility."[2] What follows is a selection of claims proven to be false and misleading." Medical claims on The Dr. Oz Show - Wikipedia

omg. nuf said.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I was dreading going to the pharmacy but turns out they now deliver. You could call and ask if yours does.

Walgreens wouldn't deliver my mom's prescription unless she used a smart phone app. She doesn't have a smart phone.

I picked it up for her.

 

[tresir2012]

Nordic Countries by Population 2020
Denmark 5,792,202
Finland 5,540,720
Greenland 56,770
Iceland 341,243
Norway 5,421,241
Sweden 10,099,265


https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/nordic-countries/#dataTable

Situation update worldwide, as of 18 April 2020
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Since 31 December 2019 and as of 18 April 2020, 2 197 593 cases of COVID-19 (in accordance with the applied case definitions and testing strategies in the affected countries) have been reported, including 153 090 deaths.

Cases have been reported from:

Africa: 19 897 cases; the five countries reporting most cases are Egypt (2 844), South Africa (2 783), Morocco (2 564), Algeria (2 418) and Cameroon (1 016).

Asia: 354 549 cases; the five countries reporting most cases are China (83 785), Iran (79 494), Turkey (78 546), India (14 378) and Israel (12 982).

America: 826 282 cases; the five countries reporting most cases are United States (702 164), Brazil (33 682), Canada (31 872), Peru (13 489) and Chile (9 252).

Europe: 988 295 cases; the five countries reporting most cases are Spain (188 068), Italy (172 434), Germany (137 439), France (109 252) and United Kingdom (108 692).

Oceania: 7 874 cases; the five countries reporting most cases are Australia (6 533), New Zealand (1 094), Guam (136), French Polynesia (55) and New Caledonia (18).

Other: 696 cases have been reported from an international conveyance in Japan.

Deaths have been reported from:

Africa: 1 016 deaths; the five countries reporting most deaths are Algeria (364), Egypt (205), Morocco (135), South Africa (50) and Tunisia (37).

Asia: 13 984 deaths; the five countries reporting most deaths are Iran (4 958), China (4 636), Turkey (1 769), Indonesia (520) and India (480).

America: 42 751 deaths; the five countries reporting most deaths are United States (37 054), Brazil (2 141), Canada (1 309), Mexico (546) and Ecuador (421).

Europe: 95 247 deaths; the five countries reporting most deaths are Italy (22 747), Spain (19 478), France (18 681), United Kingdom (14 576) and Belgium (5 163).

Oceania: 85 deaths; the five countries reporting most deaths are Australia (67), New Zealand (11), Guam (5), Northern Mariana Islands (2) and Fiji (0).



Other: 7 deaths have been reported from an international conveyance in Japan

 

[Reasonable & Just]

I'm more interested in learning why Finland has so a low infection number compared to other Nordic countries.

Because they know how to plan, are organized, and hold themselves to high standards, I'm guessing. Sorry if this is a paywall from NYT, but also see links from Finnish news indicating that they have a stockpile coordinator, and are actually in a position to turn away low-quality product from China that they believe led to healthcare workers getting infected (which led to the resignation of "stockpile boss" who did the purchasing.)

Finland, ‘Prepper Nation of the Nordics,’ Isn’t Worried About Masks
Coronavirus latest: 90 deaths, nearly 3,700 infections and a scramble for PPE

 

[Inthedetails]

That’s awful. And only 41.

The article doesn't mention any pre-existing conditions. I am not familiar with him - anyone know if he had health issues?

Either way, what a scary outcome from a virus....that some people think is no big deal to spread.

jmo

 

[FrostOwl]

All the stats are available at the website:

Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) – Statistics and Research

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Sweden isn't doing well with case fatality rate. Average age in Sweden is 41.

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Even if the average age in Sweden is 41, most of those who have died have been 70 and older, and there are a higher number of infections among people from Somalia, Turkey, Irak, Finland, Eritrea, Syria, Iran, and former Yugoslavia, compared to their proportion in the general population. When it comes to those from Finland, and Turkey, many of those are 60+, but among the other groups many are younger. Födda i Somalia, Turkiet och Irak får oftare covid-19

The situation seems to be similar in the UK, the impact has been higher among those belonging to minority groups. Inquiry announced into disproportionate impact of coronavirus on BAME communities

 

[Inthedetails]

Because they know how to plan, are organized, and hold themselves to high standards, I'm guessing. Sorry if this is a paywall from NYT, but also see links from Finnish news indicating that they have a stockpile coordinator, and are actually in a position to turn away low-quality product from China that they believe led to healthcare workers getting infected (which led to the resignation of "stockpile boss" who did the purchasing.)

Finland, ‘Prepper Nation of the Nordics,’ Isn’t Worried About Masks
Coronavirus latest: 90 deaths, nearly 3,700 infections and a scramble for PPE

And...they have something called SISU.

They aren't afraid of facing a challenge, even when the going gets tough.

jmo

 

[Lilibet]

Just reporting from today’s press briefing:

CNN)President Donald Trump on Saturday repeatedly blamed governors for not making full use of coronavirus testing capacity in their states, even as several Democrat and Republican governors said they are facing shortages of critical supplies to conduct tests.

Trump lashes out at governors over testing shortfalls - CNNPolitics

 

[branmuffin]

Thinner and wiser? I must be doing it wrong, I'm on target for fatter and drunker.

I read a Tweet a while ago that stated: Flattening the Curve results in Fattening my Curves.

I bothered getting on an exercise bike this morning. Baby steps. You can do it!

I like walking around our block. It's .7 km. If I do it five times I've walked 3.5 km. My husband doesn't understand why I don't walk that far on the walking trails behind our house. My answer is that at any given time I am only 350 meters from our bathroom.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

And...they have something called SISU.

They aren't afraid of facing a challenge, even when the going gets tough.

jmo

I love this Had to do google translate but I love it.