Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #49

[katydid23]

I have heard this quite frequently in the past 3 weeks. What’s the point if you are confined to your house and family can not safely come visit with you. At times I don’t know what to tell them.

That is how my 89 yr old mom talks some time now. She is very melancholy at times. She feels like she will live the rest of her life in her tiny apartment all alone---with no more human contact.

We call her every day but she doesn't have a smart phone. we gave her one , but long story short, she wasn't able to use it. We tried to teach her many times but her short term memory is not very good.

But whenever we visited we had her face time her grandchildren and great grandkids. She LOVED that and we would show her short videos on laptops of the kids playing and dancing. That was her favourite thing.

It makes me sad to hear her sad. She used to eat her meals with the others in her retirement complex. But now they are all quarantined---WHICH IS GOOD. It is protecting them but it is sad and lonely.

 

[rodneymullenmg]

Well I found it. Not once has this information been mentioned in the Massachusetts media or has the mass.gov page linked to. I have never seen information from other states, or national data either.

Literally the most important U.S. based information to disseminate.

https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-dashboard-april-20-2020/download

Age of death, health status, hospitalizations by age. Massachusetts data through yesterday.

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The graphs show-

The median age of death is well over 80 (the average age of death in the U.S. is 79).

97.5% of COVID-19 victims had underlying health issues.

73% of hospitalizations were of those over 70.

Also-

Those under 30 have less risk of COVID-19 than they do for the flu.

People from 40-60 have little risk of death, unless they have health issues.

There is much clearer picture of who is vulnerable from COVID-19 than there is the flu. The flu has a lot less age discrimination.

2017-2018 Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths and Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths Averted by Vaccination in the United States | CDC

This COVID data has been compiled from the onset, but not shared from the Mass DPH website. I'm a bit of a simpleton, but if I was in charge about 2.5 months ago and I saw this data coming in, I wouldn't have locked down the country.

I'd have spent trillions of dollars locking down the vulnerable citizens, instead of lighting trillions of dollars on fire. Mandatory stay at home for seniors, with food distribution available. Extreme caution and procedures at senior living centers. Relocating vulnerable people from dangerous home situations if they want (multigenerational families). Full unemployment benefits for vulnerable that shouldn't working. And whatever else is required.

Why did we lock down everyone?

IMO,
minimizing the pandemic and spreading misleading information is reckless.

I don’t think Willfully and knowingly allowing people to die is the proper way to address this.

our country was and is horribly unprepared to deal with this and selfishness of people will cost thousands of lives

 

[10ofRods]

In 1918, Philadelphia didn't cancel an important parade in the midst of a pandemic. The results were devestating - CNN

In September 1918, Philadelphia held a planned Liberty Loan Parade to promote the government bonds that were being issued to pay for World War I.
But the parade took place when the pandemic commonly called the Spanish flu -- the H1N1 virus -- arrived in the city of 1.7 million people....

...
Yet Philadelphia didn't cancel its Liberty Loan Parade, scheduled for just a little more than a week later. Meant to be a patriotic wartime effort, the parade went on as scheduled on September 28, bringing 200,000 Philadelphians together.
By October 1, there were 635 new cases in Philadelphia, according to UPenn.
Philadelphia was one of the hardest-hit US cities. More than 12,000 people died in six weeks, with about 47,000 reported cases, according to UPenn. By the six-month mark, about 16,000 had died and there were more than half a million cases.

San Francisco did the same thing in 1918 PLUS there was an anti-mask league. Whereas Los Angeles (a set of small towns back then, mostly) self-isolated, canceled parades and fairs, and in downtown L.A., people wore masks.

The difference in mortality was readily observable.

 

[rodneymullenmg]

San Francisco did the same thing in 1918 PLUS there was an anti-mask league. Whereas Los Angeles (a set of small towns back then, mostly) self-isolated, canceled parades and fairs, and in downtown L.A., people wore masks.

The difference in mortality was readily observable.

it’s awful how true “history repeats itself” is sometimes

 

[pocketaccent]

Coronavirus antibody testing shows LA County outbreak is up to 55 times bigger than reported cases

KEY POINTS

• The Covid-19 outbreak in Los Angeles County could be up to 55 times bigger than the number of confirmed cases, according to new research from the University of Southern California and the LA Department of Public Health.
• The data, if correct, would mean that the county's fatality rate is lower than originally thought.
• With just 4% of the population infected with the disease, LA County is still very early in the epidemic, said USC professor Neeraj Sood, who led the study.

The Covid-19 outbreak in Los Angeles County is likely far more widespread than previously thought, up to an estimated 55 times bigger than the number of confirmed cases, according to new research from the University of Southern California and the LA Department of Public Health.

USC and the health department released preliminary study results that found that an estimated 4.1% of the county's adult population has antibodies to the coronavirus, estimating that between 221,000 adults to 442,000 adults in the county have had the infection.


This new estimate is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of Covid-19 reported to the county through early April. The number of coronavirus-related deaths in the county has now surpassed 600, according to the Department of Public Health. The data, if correct, would mean that the county's fatality rate is lower than originally thought.

The results are based on antibody testing of about 863 people who were representative of LA County, the researchers said.
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[imstilla.grandma]

Crude oil prices hit their lowest level since 1986 and are down more than 80 per cent since the beginning of the year to levels below break-even, that has forced Canadian producers to cut production.

As of Monday afternoon, the price of North American benchmark West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude oil dipped 300 per cent to close at negative $37.63 a barrel — which meant producers were paying buyers to take their product.

The WTI trading hub in Cushing, Okla., is expected to hit capacity within four weeks.

“We’ve never seen anything like it before: so much oil, not enough demand and not enough tanks to store it in,” said energy expert Richard Masson, an executive fellow with The School of Public Policy at the University of Calgary.
Oil prices are in the negative: COVID-19 rules to stay home played a huge part

 

[Teche]

I asked my daughter today about protective equipment that she has for the baby business. As a midwife, she is provided full head to toe gear, including eye protection and space suits, for delivering babies. All appointments are with masks, gloves and other protection. No support person is allowed at appointments or delivery. More women are opting to deliver at home, even if they were not leaning that way a few months ago.

My daughter’s NP in NICU. There are new guidelines for them going into vaginal deliveries. They are to wear full protective gear because it’s been determined covid-19 can be aerosolized.

 

[otto]

Coronavirus antibody testing shows LA County outbreak is up to 55 times bigger than reported cases

KEY POINTS

• The Covid-19 outbreak in Los Angeles County could be up to 55 times bigger than the number of confirmed cases, according to new research from the University of Southern California and the LA Department of Public Health.
• The data, if correct, would mean that the county's fatality rate is lower than originally thought.
• With just 4% of the population infected with the disease, LA County is still very early in the epidemic, said USC professor Neeraj Sood, who led the study.

The Covid-19 outbreak in Los Angeles County is likely far more widespread than previously thought, up to an estimated 55 times bigger than the number of confirmed cases, according to new research from the University of Southern California and the LA Department of Public Health.

USC and the health department released preliminary study results that found that an estimated 4.1% of the county's adult population has antibodies to the coronavirus, estimating that between 221,000 adults to 442,000 adults in the county have had the infection.


This new estimate is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of Covid-19 reported to the county through early April. The number of coronavirus-related deaths in the county has now surpassed 600, according to the Department of Public Health. The data, if correct, would mean that the county's fatality rate is lower than originally thought.

The results are based on antibody testing of about 863 people who were representative of LA County, the researchers said.
...

Is that the 15 minute blood test that the WHO does not support?

 

[otto]

Crude oil prices hit their lowest level since 1986 and are down more than 80 per cent since the beginning of the year to levels below break-even, that has forced Canadian producers to cut production.

As of Monday afternoon, the price of North American benchmark West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude oil dipped 300 per cent to close at negative $37.63 a barrel — which meant producers were paying buyers to take their product.

The WTI trading hub in Cushing, Okla., is expected to hit capacity within four weeks.

“We’ve never seen anything like it before: so much oil, not enough demand and not enough tanks to store it in,” said energy expert Richard Masson, an executive fellow with The School of Public Policy at the University of Calgary.
Oil prices are in the negative: COVID-19 rules to stay home played a huge part

The price war created by Russia and the Middle East is resolved, but it doesn't kick in until May. Eleven more days, and things will balance out again.

 

[Henry2326]

Given the rising number of new cases per day, I wonder what they're thinking? Are they thinking that they can't manage it, many will die, so they may as well just get it over with?

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United States Coronavirus: 792,440 Cases and 42,489 Deaths - Worldometer

IMO.....EAGER TO PLEASE OR LOST HIS MARBLES...OR BOTH....Doesnt even come close to gate to enter phase 1. Just jumped over it all.
He put in temp hospital in the outbreak zone in Albany but doesnt have any critical care personnel to run it. Put in 200 addl beds in World Congress Center in Atlanta. But all the hospitals are currently maxed. Grady still expecting a peak next week.
No testing of asymptomatic happening.

Mayor of Atlanta says she can't override his order but she doesn't agree with it...
Atlanta Mayor @KeishaBottoms: "I will continue to use my voice as mayor of Atlanta to ask people to continue to stay home, follow the science and exercise common sense." Georgia to reopen some businesses as early as Friday https://t.co/8Kka4R0p

Churches and movie theaters...I still cant believe it.

(((Howard Forman))) on Twitter

ABC News Live on Twitter

 

[otto]

My daughter’s NP in NICU. There are new guidelines for them going into vaginal deliveries. They are to wear full protective gear because it’s been determined covid-19 can be aerosolized.

My daughter said full space suits, including eye protection, are used for hospital deliveries. They were all trained in how to wear and handle protective equipment, as most people don't use the equipment properly.

It sounds so un-natural to give birth in a room with people in space suits, but that is our world today.

 

[sallye818]

Gary Fowler, 56, went to the emergency rooms of three metro Detroit hospitals in the weeks leading up to his death, begging for a coronavirus test, begging for help because he was having difficulty breathing, but was repeatedly turned away, Keith said.

Family ravaged by coronavirus begged for tests, hospital care, but was repeatedly denied

This is not only sad and awful, for this family, but it makes me VERY ANGRY as well. Detroit, you gotta do better!

 

[katydid23]

Tell them self-isolation is the difference between life and death.

But at 90, many people do not 'fear' death. My mother speaks of it as a 'destination' and she feels she is nearing her destination now. Living all alone now in quarantine, and not having human contact except by phone, is making her weary, she says.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

I have to pop out for mini sanity survival moments when I read too long. It’s so depressingly freakin’ real I need reminders of good moments of community. Like this, I know it’s a little older one but it makes me feel good.

 

[Spider92]

CNN.com
"Kemp said specifically that fitness centers, bowling alleys, body art studios, barbers, hair and nail salons, and massage therapy businesses can reopen as early Friday, April 24"
I like bowling more than most but how many germs fit on the surface of a bowling ball? Good golly.

 

[Teche]

According to KATC TV, Pastor Tony Spell (using that title loosely) of Life Tabernacle church in Central, La nearly backed into a protester on Sunday while driving the church bus.
Sorry tried to link.

 

[Teche]

My daughter said full space suits, including eye protection, are used for hospital deliveries. They were all trained in how to wear and handle protective equipment, as most people don't use the equipment properly.

It sounds so un-natural to give birth in a room with people in space suits, but that is our world today.

It’s so sad for the parents to be.

 

[The Night Watchman]

IMO,
minimizing the pandemic and spreading misleading information is reckless.

I don’t think Willfully and knowingly allowing people to die is the proper way to address this.

our country was and is horribly unprepared to deal with this and selfishness of people will cost thousands of lives

IMO, minimizing the pandemic and spreading misleading information is reckless.

I am providing facts from the MA department of health. You have done better research than I, if you have previously found the age of death and health status of victims. I have spent a lot of time researching coronavirus and would never minimize it, however I try to analyze what threats it has to Americans, in all relevant aspects.

I don’t think Willfully and knowingly allowing people to die is the proper way to address this.

I am suggesting protecting the vulnerable is one way to address this, and I would think the approach I describe would save lives. COVID-19 is far more contagious and less deadly than thought back in January. That is a good thing in some ways. In my opinion, the media has led people to follow out of fear and not ask questions or seek answers.

our country was and is horribly unprepared to deal with this and selfishness of people will cost thousands of live

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the general consensus is that Americans have locked down very well. My family and I have, although we are not particularly vulnerable (I'm 57). I don't consider media coverage of moonbats in a scheduled photo op as the pulse of the country.

 

[10ofRods]

How do you rank heat? or unique flavor? I don't think i see Anaheim on the East Coast..but I think i saw Cajun Bell...

There's a heat ranking system called the Scoville unit.

Pepper Joe's Hot Pepper Heat Scale

Anaheim is pretty mild, by my standards. The hottest I've tried is the ghost pepper. After miscalculating on my first approach, I learned to use very little, although I can tolerate a bit of it on a cracker with some cheese, or quite a bit in chile con queso. I have more than once goofed with Thai Hot Peppers (and then done it again) or Habaneros.

We ran out of jalapeños here for a while and I eat one daily. I switched to serranos and then learned that jalapeños actually have more Vitamin C per unit of capsaicin (heat).

Anaheims are lovely when pan roasted and then stir in cheese until it melts. Eat on bread, tortillas or potatoes. Poblanos and similar chiles - ditto. TONS of vitamin C, a lot of vitamin A, and frankly, it's probably the main place I'm getting potassium (from peppers). You can broil them, but the pan is easier (peel off some of the skin if you're industrious). Open them up and scrape the seeds out if the heat is too much (but do try to eat a few to get the nutrition).

I swear it keeps me from throat/respiratory infections (possibly by cauterizing my throat??) Capsaicin has anti-inflammatory properties for many people.

 

[pocketaccent]

Is that the 15 minute blood test that the WHO does not support?

Per article:

"With just 4% of the population infected with the disease, LA County is still very early in the epidemic, said USC professor Neeraj Sood, who led the study. "Many more people in L.A. County could potentially be infected and as those number of infections rise, so will the number of deaths, the number of hospitalizations and the number of ICU admissions," he said.

Sood said the chance someone tested positive for the anitbodies but didn't actually have Covid-19 was low. They used tests from Premier Biotech, a Minneapolis-based company. "
...
Global health officials have questioned if antibody testing can accurately determine whether a person has any immunity to the disease. The World Health Organization issued a warning Friday saying there's no evidence serological tests can show whether a person has immunity or is no longer at risk of becoming reinfected.