Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #49

[LadyL]

But at 90, many people do not 'fear' death. My mother speaks of it as a 'destination' and she feels she is nearing her destination now. Living all alone now in quarantine, and not having human contact except by phone, is making her weary, she says.

very sad

 

[katydid23]

I just thought of something. We used to buy super super concentrated liquid bleach from our local pool supply store. Might be a good place to find bleach if not available anywhere else. It would have to be diluted down some but a gallon would last a long time.

My neighbour poured some in a milk jug for us---said it was from his pool's supply. It is concentrated bleach. It smells so strong out would injure your nose if you sniffed too close.

 

[TMAN2014]

[QUOTE=" (WTI) crude oil dipped 300 per cent to close at negative $37.63 a barrel — which meant producers were paying buyers to take their product.
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I'm in! Where can I meet these producers who will pay me $37.63 per barrel to take their oil?

 

[Seattle1]

Well I found it. Not once has this information been mentioned in the Massachusetts media or has the mass.gov page linked to. I have never seen information from other states, or national data either.

Literally the most important U.S. based information to disseminate.

https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-dashboard-april-20-2020/download

Age of death, health status, hospitalizations by age. Massachusetts data through yesterday.

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The graphs show-

The median age of death is well over 80 (the average age of death in the U.S. is 79).

97.5% of COVID-19 victims had underlying health issues.

73% of hospitalizations were of those over 70.

Also-

Those under 30 have less risk of COVID-19 than they do for the flu.

People from 40-60 have little risk of death, unless they have health issues.

There is much clearer picture of who is vulnerable from COVID-19 than there is the flu. The flu has a lot less age discrimination.

2017-2018 Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths and Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths Averted by Vaccination in the United States | CDC

This COVID data has been compiled from the onset, but not shared from the Mass DPH website. I'm a bit of a simpleton, but if I was in charge about 2.5 months ago and I saw this data coming in, I wouldn't have locked down the country.

I'd have spent trillions of dollars locking down the vulnerable citizens, instead of lighting trillions of dollars on fire. Mandatory stay at home for seniors, with food distribution available. Extreme caution and procedures at senior living centers. Relocating vulnerable people from dangerous home situations if they want (multigenerational families). Full unemployment benefits for vulnerable that shouldn't working. And whatever else is required.

Why did we lock down everyone?

Because everybody regardless of age, gender, sex, or occupation is a potential carrier of the virus that was passed to the population that became decedents recorded in the data!

At the peak of COVID in Seattle, the highest number of those infected averaged early 30's. It's just that the elderly that are most likely to succumb from the virus.

Don't be fooled: one person infected will become more than 400 in 30 days without social distancing or shelter in place.

ETA:

WA Cases on 4/20/2020:

Age 0-19 ........394
Age 20-39 ......3,366
Age 40-59......4,141
Age 60-79......2,938
Age 80+.......1,204

DEATHS:

Age 0-19 .........-0-
Age 20-39 ........3
Age 40-59 .......55
Age 60-79 .......243
Age 80+...........351

DEATH BY SEX:

Female 43%

Male 56%

 

[katydid23]

it is too late now-- i dont have mouthwash--but that is a great idea!

Use salt and warm water?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The new cases confirmed Monday also include seven workers returning from the Kearl Lake oilsands project in northern Alberta. Henry has issued a new order stating that anyone who has returned from the oilsands site since March 15 must self-isolate for 14 days after their return.

Outbreaks are still active at 20 long-term care homes in B.C., where 307 people have been diagnosed with COVID-19, as well as Bylands Nurseries in West Kelowna. Seventy-five have now tested positive at Mission Institution, including 64 inmates of the federal prison.

Henry described B.C.'s new testing strategy as an evolution based on the changing pandemic situation in B.C. She said that while everyone can now be tested, not everyone should be. That means that the test has "limited applicability" for people who do not have symptoms of COVID-19, Henry said.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/health-officials-update-april-20-1.5538923

 

[10ofRods]

It’s so sad for the parents to be.

Although some people actually like science and precautions. A couple of days later, the new parents are at home with all the cuddles they want.

In some countries, ALL family members are banned from the hospital and the fathers stand anxiously outside, often with flowers, to show their wives/new moms. And I can remember when mothers were kept in relative isolation, often only seeing their newborns a couple of times a day, for up to a week.

One of my grandma's friends pioneered a different method and my grandma supported her as a kind of doula/midwife. They competed with the local hospital long before there were "birthing rooms." A lot of women in my hometown started choosing this alternative along around 1957.

Right now, I'd want to give birth in a hospital. One reason we have to get CV19 under control is so that all the other humans can have proper healthcare. Every person who goes out to protest in person (just email! write a letter!) is endangering people who need medical care for other issues.

 

[Herat]

Per article:

"With just 4% of the population infected with the disease, LA County is still very early in the epidemic, said USC professor Neeraj Sood, who led the study. "Many more people in L.A. County could potentially be infected and as those number of infections rise, so will the number of deaths, the number of hospitalizations and the number of ICU admissions," he said.

Sood said the chance someone tested positive for the anitbodies but didn't actually have Covid-19 was low. They used tests from Premier Biotech, a Minneapolis-based company. "
...
Global health officials have questioned if antibody testing can accurately determine whether a person has any immunity to the disease. The World Health Organization issued a warning Friday saying there's no evidence serological tests can show whether a person has immunity or is no longer at risk of becoming reinfected.

Looks like one of those fingerstick tests.

No study yet has linked the presence or absence of antibodies to immunity or susceptibility.

 

[Cool Cats]

Why you haven't received your coronavirus stimulus check yet
Published Mon, Apr 20 2020 1:03 PM EDT

If you haven’t updated your direct deposit information and typically file taxes, the agency says to do so via its Get My Payment tool up until the tool indicates your payment has been processed.

If you don’t normally file a tax return, you can use the agency’s non-filers tool to update your information. Direct deposit is the quickest way to get your payment: Those who provide it by Thursday of one week reportedly will be paid the following week, per the memo.

 

[margarita25]

Hope in Italy as active coronavirus cases drop

“The number of people officially identified as infected with coronavirus in Italy has fallen for the first time since the country's outbreak began, authorities have said.”

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Authorities say the small but symbolic drop is a "positive development".

Italy's lockdown continues until 3 May but some businesses have reopened.

They include bookshops, stationers and shops selling children's clothes, as officials see how social distancing measures can be safely applied.”

 

[mickey2942]

For what it is worth, I don't see the outrage when a doctor goes to work with their own PPE. Or a nurse.

Medical professionals make a lot more money than school teachers, and I know so many school teachers who spend $100's of dollars a year of their own money, to provide even the most basic school supplies for students. Including clothing, food, backpacks, and even hand sanitizer.

 

[Trino]

Unbelievable! Poland largely escaped the Black Death. Why? QUARANTINE!!!

Nonetheless, it is true that Poland did survive the Black Death relatively unscathed. In addition to Poland's relatively sparse population, a key factor is that King Casimir the Great wisely quarantined the Polish borders. By holding the plague off at the borders, the disease's impact on Poland was softened.

During Kazimierz's reign, the Black Death, a pandemic infection, swept across Europe, killing millions. But Poland established quarantines at its borders, and the plague skirted Poland almost entirely.

- Zuchora-Walske, Christine, Poland, North Mankato: ABDO Publishing, 2013.

 

[10ofRods]

IMO, minimizing the pandemic and spreading misleading information is reckless.

I am providing facts from the MA department of health. You have done better research than I, if you have previously found the age of death and health status of victims. I have spent a lot of time researching coronavirus and would never minimize it, however I try to analyze what threats it has to Americans, in all relevant aspects.

I don’t think Willfully and knowingly allowing people to die is the proper way to address this.

I am suggesting protecting the vulnerable is one way to address this, and I would think the approach I describe would save lives. COVID-19 is far more contagious and less deadly than thought back in January. That is a good thing in some ways. In my opinion, the media has led people to follow out of fear and not ask questions or seek answers.

our country was and is horribly unprepared to deal with this and selfishness of people will cost thousands of live

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the general consensus is that Americans have locked down very well. My family and I have, although we are not particularly vulnerable (I'm 57). I don't consider media coverage of moonbats in a scheduled photo op as the pulse of the country.

You're veering into the political. There is no "correct" answer but I'd say look at Germany (or Hong Kong or South Korea).

Do we have virus-resistant ventilation systems in nursing homes? No.

Did we/do we have anywhere enough PPE for all people? No. Not even for essential workers, which is a big reason we're in this economic mess. My college has given away all that it has and now faces a crisis in trying to train EMT's and nurses.

Did each school system have PPE and plans in place? No. We teachers had to deal with it one issue at a time. We have students who are on immune suppressants for life, due to transplants. We have people with many different health issues. We are mandated to provide education for all. Could we do that? No, and we're still not doing it.

We overwhelmed our physicians, nurses and hospitals. A bunch of places did better than we did. And we should be doing our best - and with our "riches" we should BE the best.

 

[rodneymullenmg]

IMO, minimizing the pandemic and spreading misleading information is reckless.

I am providing facts from the MA department of health. You have done better research than I, if you have previously found the age of death and health status of victims. I have spent a lot of time researching coronavirus and would never minimize it, however I try to analyze what threats it has to Americans, in all relevant aspects.

I don’t think Willfully and knowingly allowing people to die is the proper way to address this.

I am suggesting protecting the vulnerable is one way to address this, and I would think the approach I describe would save lives. COVID-19 is far more contagious and less deadly than thought back in January. That is a good thing in some ways. In my opinion, the media has led people to follow out of fear and not ask questions or seek answers.

our country was and is horribly unprepared to deal with this and selfishness of people will cost thousands of live

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the general consensus is that Americans have locked down very well. My family and I have, although we are not particularly vulnerable (I'm 57). I don't consider media coverage of moonbats in a scheduled photo op as the pulse of the country.

let’s agree to disagree

<modsnip> I’d love to see the analytics of the big picture, not just a small hand selected example of a fluid situation.

with C19 being able to spread within asymptotic people, “protecting the vulnerable” would only keep the virus circulating and cause More damage over time.

And because you asked, I’ll correct you. No, the general consensus is NOT that America has handled this anywhere near well. The CDC was gutted, Only a few weeks ago it was called a hoax, and now we have people with guns upset that they can’t go get their hair done and insulting medical workers.

I will say there has been rumors of Fauci being fired because he cares about people and not stocks. Fauci has dedicated his life to science and medicine.....but I know you did a lot of research on this so I don’t know who I should believe

 

[katydid23]

Opinion | The Infection That’s Silently Killing Coronavirus Patients

well another article that demonstrates how this virus masquerades and hides its ugliness until its too late. This physician describes patients who have the virus but do not manifest shortness of breath.
By the time the physicians figure out the patient has pneumonia, their oxygen level is extremely low, to the point they need a ventilator. The physician describes these patients have what he calls "silent hypoxia": Interestingly, they recommend that some people might consider purchasing a pulse oximeter to monitor their oxygen level. Interestingly I just bought one of those devices ( I could hardly find one in the entire city of Fort Myers but finally did): Because I have asthma I thought I should have one of those devices.

I use my oximeter several times a day, just to reassure myself.
I also nag my hubby into using it in the mornings and before bed. When I see we are up in the high 90's, I can relax for the rest of that day.

I suggest others obtain one for the peace of mind. I bought mine at CVS for 15 dollars.

Digital Finger Pulse Oxygen Saturation Monitor Blood Oximeter Heart Rate Blood Pressure Tester
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[imstilla.grandma]

The latest: 34 workers test positive for COVID-19 at Marshalltown meatpacking plant
"To everyone who will listen to me: Please stay at home," Greer said in an interview with the Register. "Congregate in groups of 5 or less, cough into your elbow; take this serious. People are dying and getting diagnosed."

He praised the plant managers for their efforts to slow the spread of the coronavirus, which causes COVID-19. They have staff dedicated to sanitizing the facility regularly, down to vending machine buttons between uses, and require face masks to work. They have also staggered shifts and breaks to minimize overlap and invested in tools for temperature screenings, Greer said.

"The whole world needs them for protein and for food," Greer said. "We're the biggest farming state in the country for pigs. What are the pig farmers going to do if they can't get the pigs processed? Bury them? I really am proud of what we do here, locally, to keep the whole supply chain going."

 

[Jax49]

According to KATC TV, Pastor Tony Spell (using that title loosely) of Life Tabernacle church in Central, La nearly backed into a protester on Sunday while driving the church bus.
Sorry tried to link.

ADVOCATE: Central pastor who defied stay at home order nearly hit protester with bus

 

[10ofRods]

For what it is worth, I don't see the outrage when a doctor goes to work with their own PPE. Or a nurse.

Medical professionals make a lot more money than school teachers, and I know so many school teachers who spend $100's of dollars a year of their own money, to provide even the most basic school supplies for students. Including clothing, food, backpacks, and even hand sanitizer.

Sometimes. I make more than the average GP in my city. Of course, I've been climbing up the pay scale/COLA scale for 40 years. But in general, hospital-based nurses make what I do. Doctors at private hospitals (Cottage, Cedars, here in SoCal - there aren't many others) make 5-10X what I do (without private practice). My ex-husband is a physician in private practice. He makes 2.5X what I do after he pays his staff. A good friend who is an ICU nurse makes 10% less than what I do.

I'm not exactly rich.

Where are nurses supposed to get this PPE? They're supposed to come home after 12 hour shifts and go online and bid? Seriously?? N95 medical masks aren't sold just everywhere, in the first place.

Then, the hospitals would have to accept the liability of each individual doctor and nurse buying protection that works. Wow. I think this would work out VERY badly. For the patients. For everyone.

Surgical masks do not protect the wearer much or at all. So where were people supposed to get this protection? What a weird thing - to have built special rooms for virus treatment, spending literally a million dollars per room - and then not equip the people who work in them to keep patients safe?

Nurses are being fired/furloughed for not wearing hospital-sanctioned PPE. Such as homemade masks.

Would you propose that we hire extra staff to check the quality of personally-provided PPE?

 

[MajorHoople]

TN Governor Announces Safer-At-Home Order To Expire April 30

"Monday, Governor Bill Lee announced the order for Tennesseans to remain at home will expire April 30, with the majority of businesses in 89 counties allowed to re-open May 1.

The commissioner for the Tennessee Department of Health says there are now more recovered COVID-19 cases than active cases, plus additional (new) testing sites are coming soon."

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Vitalant in El Paso says they have their very first donor who will be donating their plasma to hopefully help treat a patient.

“This type of plasma has an antibody to the COVID-19 virus so that’s where the advantage is. It helps the patient recuperate much quicker,” said David Veloz, the Senior Director of Donor Recruitment for Vitalant.

Right now there is no treatment or vaccine for COVID-19. However the FDA has identified and approved convalescent plasma treatment as an “investigational new drug”.

“Here in El Paso we have our first donor who is giving what's called a convalescent plasma donation. One of the hospitals here in El Paso sent us the name of this individual and we contacted him and scheduled him to come in for a donation,” Veloz said.

Convalescent plasma is the liquid that carries blood cells and antibodies made by the immune system to attack viruses.

“It’s in every blood donation. It’s a liquid part of a blood donation,” Veloz said. “As far as the process of qualifying to make this type of donation, a donor has had to have been exposed to the COVID-19 virus and all of this has to be confirmed through somebody in the medical community.”

Veloz says a recovered COVID-19 patients plasma can be transfused into a patient who is still suffering from the virus. “It’s coming from a donor that was exposed to the COVID-19 virus.”

Veloz said donors have to have documentation that they were exposed to COVID-19.
A sign of relief: Plasma from recovered COVID-19 patients could help fight virus