Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #49

[Curious Me]

I think I have Covid Toe! One of my big toes has a red square patch on the skin area below the toe nail. It doesn't hurt, doesn't itch, and is not a fungus, but has been there for weeks. I mentioned it on the Coronavirus thread after seeing someone post about it without an acceptable link. Now it is on mainstream news. So, I'm spreading the word not the virus.

Check out the pictures in the article.
What are 'COVID toes' and why are dermatologists seeing an 'epidemic' of them in kids?

"Now experts in the dermatology world are warning of a new potential sign of the virus which may have previously gone overlooked: an inflammation of blood vessels in the hands and feet that’s been nicknamed “COVID toes.”'

[…]

"It happens in healthy people but sometimes it can happen in autoimmune conditions, most commonly lupus,” says Huang. The condition can be caused by a variety of conditions, including eating disorders, celiac disease, viral hepatitis, and HIV. Huang says it has not been linked to other coronaviruses."

Normally called Chilblains or Pernio.
Chilblains - Symptoms and causes
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[katydid23]

So just doing simple math, we have had 2x as many deaths from CV as Italy.
But we have more than 5x their population?

I think people should keep that in mind when they keep screaming that the US has 'the most deaths ' of any other country. If we were dying at their rate we would have 170,000 deaths, and not 42,000.


as of April 18th
USA deaths=42,604
Italy deaths= 24,114
Spain deaths= 20,852

USA population=328 million
Italy population=60 million
Spain population=47 million

USA death rate=.01%
Italy death rate=.o4%
Spain Death rate=.04%

 

[katydid23]

It's official. Hell really has frozen over. Insurance companies giving back $$? I will believe it when I see it!

Yah, 15%......are we driving 15% less? More like 80% less for us.

 

[katydid23]

That's perplexing. Free testing is available in some places, but not in others.

Coronavirus In Tennessee: Free Statewide Covid-19 Drive-Thru Testing Locations To Open This Weekend

"Gov. Bill Lee has announced a statewide COVID-19 testing effort that will be available for any Tennessean.

This expanded testing effort will begin on April 18-19. The Tennessee National Guard will offer 15 drive-thru testing sites across the state.

These testing sites will also be available during the weekends of April 25-26 and May 2-3. Times are local to the location of the drive-thru site."

I think that it's available some places and not others because testing is up to the control of each state. Some states may have worked out a way to make it happen and others may not have, yet.

 

[katydid23]

Will they get the address right though? hehe.
I wonder if the IRS will have enough hands, time and energy to audit this year.

If not, they have several years to revisit our tax filings...

 

[katydid23]

Here's What It's Actually Like To Do Covid-19 Drive Thru Nose Swab Testing

"Several counties are now offering free drive-thru COVID-19 testing for anyone who wants it, even if you aren't showing symptoms.

Oak Ridge already started, partnering with Kroger to offer drive-thru testing this week. They tested 593 people over three days.

It's a nose swab test you do yourself in your car, which many people will see if they choose drive-thru testing.

They ask you make an appointment ahead of time through your respective health department, or Kroger if they're the ones administering the test.

You're asked to wear a mask, bring your license and keep your window rolled up. You will need to crack your window to talk to the test administrators and receive paperwork and your test."

Can we get the swab deep enough to do it accurately. I heard it was painful and needed to be swabbed thru the nose into the back of the throat. I am not sure I could manage that on my own nose...

 

[otto]

This was mentioned initially, with the over 70's and anyone with underlying health conditions being advised to stay at home. The other restrictions were to stop the spread and to stop those vulnerable groups from being infected.

It in't a situation where people over 70 stay home and everyone else acts as though nothing happened. The virus is more deadly.

If the virus is not stopped, as in 1918, it will get stronger and lifespans will become shorter, for example.

The only way to stop people from transmitting the virus is to prevent the virus from finding a new host. Asymptomatic people, those in the first 5-14 days of illness, should self-isolate to prevent transmission to 2-4 other people.

R-not, Ro, is about the virus, or about the country? In China, when the virus was around people, 3.4% got sick. Today we read that every country had its own Ro. That doesn't make sense to me.

The virus is so contagious that each infected person can infect 3-4 other people. In Sweden, that person would infect more people, and in Canada, fewer, simply because Canada has stricter compliance and lockdown governance.

The R0 for the virus is that each asymptomatic sick person infects 2-3 other people before symptoms appear - in every country.

 

[tresir2012]

let’s agree to disagree

I won’t argue because you have your agenda but you provide very small, very specific statistics that cannot possibly represent the whole and try to pass it off to people as fact. That’s not how it works. I’d love to see the analytics of the big picture, not just a small hand selected example of a fluid situation.

with C19 being able to spread within asymptotic people, “protecting the vulnerable” would only keep the virus circulating and cause More damage over time.

And because you asked, I’ll correct you. No, the general consensus is NOT that America has handled this anywhere near well. The CDC was gutted, Only a few weeks ago it was called a hoax, and now we have people with guns upset that they can’t go get their hair done and insulting medical workers.

I will say there has been rumors of Fauci being fired because he cares about people and not stocks. Fauci has dedicated his life to science and medicine.....but I know you did a lot of research on this so I don’t know who I should believe

Our UK figures that I posted up thread seem to mirror those statistics. And not all the care home deaths have been included in our figures yet.

 

[katydid23]

The country with the highest incidence of deaths in the world has discredited the WHO, promoted reduced restrictions, and endorsed the antibody test even though no conclusions can be drawn from presence or absence of antibodies.

The country with the 'highest' incidents of deaths in the world also has one of the highest populations in the world.

If you take population into account, our death rate is much lower than Spain or Italy's rates of .04%......Ours is .01%.


as of April 18th
USA deaths=42,604
Italy deaths= 24,114
Spain deaths= 20,852

USA population=328 million
Italy population=60 million
Spain population=47 million

USA death rate=.01%
Italy death rate=.o4%
Spain Death rate=.04%

 

[katydid23]

It seems like a race to prove that they've conquered the virus and life is back to normal. I can't wait to watch the USA numbers on worldometers in the next 2 weeks!

Are you saying you can't wait for more people to die in the US? Sounds like it...

 

[Seattle1]

Is it known how the 1918 epidemic began in the states?

I think it depends on what side of history you are on. Growing up in UK, I thought it was France but decades later I think it may have originated in western USA (KS, CO, OK) as also told in this 2017 Smithsonian Historian John Barry. account. It's well worth the read!

How the Horrific 1918 Flu Spread Across America | History | Smithsonian Magazine

An excerpt-- Historian's 2017 words of wisdom and his prediction was right on:

Prompted by the re-emergence of avian influenza, governments, NGOs and major businesses around the world have poured resources into preparing for a pandemic. Because of my history of the 1918 pandemic, The Great Influenza, I was asked to participate in some of those efforts.

[..]

Then there are the less glamorous measures, known as nonpharmaceutical interventions: hand-washing, telecommuting, covering coughs, staying home when sick instead of going to work and, if the pandemic is severe enough, widespread school closings and possibly more extreme controls. The hope is that “layering” such actions one atop another will reduce the impact of an outbreak on public health and on resources in today’s just-in-time economy. But the effectiveness of such interventions will depend on public compliance, and the public will have to trust what it is being told.

That is why, in my view, the most important lesson from 1918 is to tell the truth. Though that idea is incorporated into every preparedness plan I know of, its actual implementation will depend on the character and leadership of the people in charge when a crisis erupts.

I recall participating in a pandemic “war game” in Los Angeles involving area public health officials. Before the exercise began, I gave a talk about what happened in 1918, how society broke down, and emphasized that to retain the public’s trust, authorities had to be candid. “You don’t manage the truth,” I said. “You tell the truth.” Everyone shook their heads in agreement.

[..]

Next, the people running the game revealed the day’s challenge to the participants: A severe pandemic influenza virus was spreading around the world. It had not officially reached California, but a suspected case—the severity of the symptoms made it seem so—had just surfaced in Los Angeles. The news media had learned of it and were demanding a press conference.

The participant with the first move was a top-ranking public health official. What did he do? He declined to hold a press conference, and instead just released a statement: More tests are required. The patient might not have pandemic influenza. There is no reason for concern.

I was stunned. This official had not actually told a lie, but he had deliberately minimized the danger; whether or not this particular patient had the disease, a pandemic was coming. The official’s unwillingness to answer questions from the press or even acknowledge the pandemic’s inevitability meant that citizens would look elsewhere for answers, and probably find a lot of bad ones. Instead of taking the lead in providing credible information he instantly fell behind the pace of events. He would find it almost impossible to get ahead of them again. He had, in short, shirked his duty to the public, risking countless lives.

And that was only a game.

 

[tresir2012]

It in't a situation where people over 70 stay home and everyone else acts as though nothing happened. The virus is more deadly.

If the virus is not stopped, as in 1918, it will get stronger and lifespans will become shorter, for example.

The only way to stop people from transmitting the virus is to prevent the virus from finding a new host. Asymptomatic people, those in the first 5-14 days of illness, should self-isolate to prevent transmission to 2-4 other people.

R-not, Ro, is about the virus, or about the country? In China, when the virus was around people, 3.4% got sick. Today we read that every country had its own Ro. That doesn't make sense to me.

The virus is so contagious that each infected person can infect 3-4 other people. In Sweden, that person would infect more people, and in Canada, fewer, simply because Canada has stricter compliance and lockdown governance.

The R0 for the virus is that each asymptomatic sick person infects 2-3 other people before symptoms appear - in every country.

I was explaining the UK approach. It began, as I said, with advice, then when we didn't follow that advice, they mandated it with the lockdown. Some countries have not had a mandated lockdown, as you say, like Sweden for example.

 

[otto]

Is it known how the 1918 epidemic began in the states?

Check PBS 2018 Flu for more info - linked several times

Men were joining the war effort in WW1. In Kentucky, men were told to rake up the manure and burn it. The next day, men started reporting sick. They had influenza. They were shipped to Europe for the war effort, and infected all troops before they went home to countries around the world. Spain was neutral and sounded the alert about the virus, therefore it is called the Spanish Flu, even though it originated in the usA

 

[nightowl1975]

Are you saying you can't wait for more people to die in the US? Sounds like it...

You’re not alone in your interpretation of what was said. I was taken aback to read it. Rather vile, but given the totality of responses I’ve seen in this thread alone, I honestly don’t think you’re far off the mark unfortunately. Gross.

 

[otto]

I was explaining the UK approach. It began, as I said, with advice, then when we didn't follow that advice, they mandated it with the lockdown. Some countries have not had a mandated lockdown, as you say, like Sweden for example.

The UK approach was Prince William calling it a bit of hype, Prince Charles getting sick, Boris Johnson downplaying the risk, and Boris in ICU with special treatment and off work for 3 months. It appears to be out of hand in the UK, just like China, Italy, Spain, USA, don't know about the Middle East. The USA has given up, bit of a concern.

Sweden, Canada, Australia and perhaps other countries have told people to go home and stay home. That's what people are doing. They can walk pathways, shop for essentials, and stay home for now with a sustaining gov't income for 4 months.

They work from home if they can, if they can't the only thing that comes to mind is "viral load" in health care workers - beware of viral load even though we don't yet know that that means. I think it means that people are exposed repeatedly and eventually their viral load overcomes their very strong immune system and they're dead.

 

[Curious Me]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/can-the-coronavirus-be-spread-through-farts/

During Friday’s episode of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation’s “Coronacast,” podcast, producer and host Dr. Norman Swan made a cautionary suggestion when it comes to particles of feces set adrift within a fart and the spread of COVID-19.

“No bare-bottom farting,” Swan advised about posterior pandemic panic, in a measured, mildly amused tone.

“Luckily, we wear a mask, which covers our farts all the time,” Swan said, referring to the protective aspects of pants, shorts, dresses, underwear and other garments. “I think that what we should do in terms of social distancing and being safe is that … you don’t fart close to other people, and that you don’t fart with your bottom bare.”
...

Adding this to my new & ever growing <Carona List of Things I Thought I'd Never Read in My Lifetime>

+++Don't be a bare-bottomed farter!

* underline twice*

I want to help spread the word on Covid Toes and now the dangers of bare-bottomed farting!

And don't you even think of getting close to me with your silent farts!

 

[otto]

You’re not alone in your interpretation of what was said. I was taken aback to read it. Rather vile, but given the totality of responses I’ve seen in this thread alone, I honestly don’t think you’re far off the mark unfortunately. Gross.

woah what?

My daughter wears space suits when there's a baby storm.
Perspective

Scary how many lives will be taken. The 1918 pandemic claimed 17 - 50 million people. Granted health services were sparse at the time, but 17 million today as a percent of the total population, that's a lot of people. Is there a blind spot to this recent history?

 

[katydid23]

I want to help spread the word on Covid Toes and now the dangers of bare-bottomed farting!

And don't you even think of getting close to me with your silent farts!

I am going to have to break the news to my hubby---I can no longer lay in bed and binge Netflix with him anymore, if he has eaten a late night burrito, which he likes to do...

 

[tresir2012]

Check PBS 2018 Flu for more info - linked several times

Men were joining the war effort in WW1. In Kentucky, men were told to rake up the manure and burn it. The next day, men started reporting sick. They had influenza. They were shipped to Europe for the war effort, and infected all troops before they went home to countries around the world. Spain was neutral and sounded the alert about the virus, therefore it is called the Spanish Flu, even though it originated in the usA

I am asking how it got to the US. I know how it got to Spain. Are you saying it came from burning manure in Kentucky?

 

[otto]

I am asking how it got to the US. I know how it got to Spain. Are you saying it came from burning manure in Kentucky?

It came to the USA via Europe on the East coast. The first case in the USA was on January 21 from China. I don't have the link handy, but have posted it for moderators in the past.

The question is about Strain A in the USA, Strain B in Wuhan, Strain C came later. New mutations do not mean stronger.

Do you mean 1918 Pandemic, or 2020 Pandemic? Pin 1918 pandemic on Spain? That is impossible. Every country recognizes that Spain was merely reporting.