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  • #181
Exactly. School-age children will spread the virus to grandparents, and some might have parents who are in higher risk categories.

Teachers, bus drivers, lunch ladies, etc. could all be in higher risk categories.
My grand daughter won't spread it to us because we are quarantined for now. If she starts back to school, we will have to isolate even longer, until we see how it is going.

But I do not expect the rest of the community to stay locked down just because I am 68 and have asthma. That is something I have to deal with at this time but I am glad that my son started back at work this week.

I won't be visiting him in person yet, nor will my husband. And it makes me sad. But the world has to keep going on and the rest of us will catch up when we can.
 
  • #182
Re: Taiwan:

April 17 / source:

“Gabriela Sotomayor: (45:23)
Thank you very much. Thank you for giving me the question. And it’s very nice to see you all. And I have a question. I want to come back to the issue of Taiwan. We hear more criticism on Taiwan being excluded from COVID-19. They have very few cases and they can offer their experience to the world. So I would like to have your comments on this. And well, it’s just that. Thank you.

Maria Van Kerkhove: (45:57)
So, I will start. So just to say, I will repeat what I said the other day. We have been working with colleagues from Taiwan on the technical side throughout this pandemic. And you’re right, it is important that we learn from all countries who are dealing with COVID-19. I’ve personally, myself and Steve, have briefed members from Taiwan CDC, public health professionals and scientists. We had an exchange of information about what is happening at the global level in different regions and also from Taiwan as well.

And we have a number of people who are serving in our clinical networks and our infection prevention and control networks. And again, it’s an opportunity where we regularly meet through teleconferences where there’s the opportunity to exchange information peer-to-peer. And this is invaluable to be able to have firsthand experience with patients to say how are they, how are they developing disease, how can we treat them, how do we prevent onward transmission? And so there has been a regular and open dialogue throughout the pandemic.

Dr. Steven A. Solomon: (47:11)
Thank you. Thank you for the question and thank you Maria. Just to add, as we’ve said before, there’s two parts to this. There’s the participation within the WHO governance process, within for example, the World Health Assembly. And that’s an issue that member States of the organization decide. The WHO staff does not have the mandate to decide those issues. WHO staff works technically and operationally to fulfill the mandate of WHO to coordinate, to convene, to provide advice, to furnish assistance for the response.

That’s the work of WHO staff. The decisions about participation in the governance processes, in the membership, in the health assembly, is a decision that is and belongs to member States. But within the technical work that we do, as Maria has made clear, there are a range of areas that we cooperate, work with, engage with Taiwanese experts, both within the context of this current pandemic and generally. And we listed those, and they’re available on our website.

I think just again to remind of three of the key ones for the response now. There is a point of contact within Taiwan CDC that has access to the international health regulations event information site. This is the key platform for exchanging information among all the parties and stakeholders in the international health regulations. There are two of the key clinical networks that Taiwanese experts participate in. The Clinical Management Network and the Infection Prevention and Control Network. These networks meet at least once a week, sometimes twice a week.

And there is the direct contact between WHO at a technical level, Maria just mentioned these, and Taiwan CDC. These are very important to ensure an exchange. We are looking at other ways to do so as well as this evolve and as the expertise from wherever can contribute to the response efforts. So I hope that answers the question about the technical work that is ongoing and the area that is really in the hands of member States. The formal participation of in WHO governance bodies, like the World Health Assembly.

Michael J. Ryan: (50:09)
Maybe I could just add to this, because I think it is important, the health authorities in Taiwan and Taiwan CDC deserve praise. They’ve mounted a very good public health response in Taiwan. And you can see that in the numbers. And we have praised that. And we’ve seen similar approaches taken in Hong Kong, SAR and across China. And we are observing and we are watching and we are bringing Taiwanese colleagues into the networks, the technical network, so they can share their experience. And they can both contribute their knowledge, but also seek new knowledge from outside. And I do believe that the health experts from Taiwan CDC were involved in one of the initial missions in China with colleagues from Hong Kong, SAR, as a joint mission to Wuhan by the National Health Commission in Beijing. So, that there is-

In Beijing. So that there, as Steve has said, these kinds of scientific collaborations within, without China are extremely important. But you know, Taiwan health authorities, Taiwan, CDC, professionals and health workers in Taiwan have stood on the front line. They’ve served and they have done service to their populations and as many others have around the world. And from our perspective we all stand with our professional scientific and health colleagues everywhere.”



Apr 20/ source

Tarik: (15:34)
[French 00:16:02]. And so quick translation of that. Marie is asking about an email that has been sent by Taiwanese health officials to WHO on 31st December. So the question was when this email arrived, when we had the first announcement by Chinese authorities of cases of a unknown pneumonia, and how do we answer to claims that WHO was not acting on warning from Taiwan? Thank you.

Dr. Michael J. Ryan: (16:43)
On the 31st of December, information on our epidemic intelligence from open source platform partners, ProMED was received, indicating a signal of a cluster of pneumonia cases in China. That was from open sources from Wuhan. On the same day, we had a request from health authorities in Taiwan and the message referred to new sources indicated at least seven atypical pneumonia cases reported in Wuhan media. That the cases were not believed to be SARS, however, that the samples were still under investigation. The message requested with great appreciation if we had relevant information to share, with a thank you in advance for our attention to the matter. There was no reference made in that query to anything other than what had been previously reported in news media and actually referred to a response from the Wuhan health authorities clarifying and confirming that the cases existed, the cluster existed, and obviously it turned out not to be SARS. So any SARS test on at that time would have been negative, as would have been influenza samples. Clusters of atypical pneumonia are not uncommon. There are millions of cases of atypical pneumonia around the world in any given year, and certainly in the middle of an influenza season. Negative influenza tests may also have been found at that time.

So from the perspective of the request we received from Taiwan, it was in line with other information that we had received from other sources, and the message through the iOS platform from ProMED had actually had a lot more detail in it based on the news media report, and that request was actually sent immediately on the same day to our country office for followup with Chinese authorities, and on the 1st of January we formally requested verification of the event under the IHR, which is a formal process beyond any informal verification, which requires a response and requires an interaction from the member state.

Under the IHR, member states are required to respond within 24 to 48 hours of any requests from the WHO for clarification or verification of an event or a signal that we believe may be significant. That process continued, and on the 4th of January WHO tweeted the existence of the event, and on the 5th of January provided a detailed information on our epidemic or emergencies information site, which is a site for all national focal points around the world, and every member state has a focal point for IHR, usually within the National Health Service, and all would have received a detailed report from WHO giving details on the event, and that would have included an IHR contact point for Taiwan. Taiwan has access to that site, as have other focal points and contact points around the world.

On the same day, we would have actually put out our first disease outbreak news, which was a public explanation or a public report on the event, and the process continues after that. So we would obviously like to thank our colleagues in Taiwan for having shared an interesting report for which we were receiving similar reports from other sources. At no point in the process of communication, in this email that’s been received, was there any reference to human to human transmission or any other issue. It was purely requesting relevant information and thanking us in advance for our attention to the matter. So I hope that clears up that confusion.

Dr. Tedros: (21:04)
So I think Mike answered it very well, but I just wanted to summarize. In its email on 31st December, one thing that has to be clear is the first email was not from Taiwan. Many other countries already were asking for clarification. The first report came from Wuhan, from China itself, so Taiwan was only asking for clarification. And as some people were claiming, Taiwan didn’t report any human to human transmission. This has to be clear. They were asking for clarification, like any other entity who wanted clarification. So we didn’t receive the existence of human to human transmission from Taiwan on December 31. We have all the documentations, and the email we received from Taiwan is to get more clarification on the issue based on China’s report. So the report first came from China. That’s number one. In fact, from Wuhan itself. Second, the email from Taiwan, like other entities, was to ask for clarification. Nothing else.

Dr. Michael J. Ryan: (22:47)
And I may also just add that for those of you who don’t know ProMED, ProMED has been existence for more than 20 years, and it’s actually a US based listserv that has provided a lot of early information on epidemics going back over decades. We work with them very closely and we have-

-epidemics going back over decades. We work with them very closely, and we have actually co-developed with ProMED with GPHIN which is a Canadian public health intelligence network. And many others around the world. The epidemic intelligence from Open Sources platform, which is an AI driven system which allows the automatic detection of these kinds of reports all over the world. Our system picks up 7,000 signals. And we pick up those 7,000 signals a month from all around the world.

And they all require verification and followup investigation. Up to 300 of them require investigations specifically by governments. And it’s a massive global process of picking up this information from around the world. And actually all of the G7 countries are now implementing EIOS as part of their core public health architecture and that system would have been live in all G7 countries at the time of these notifications.”
wow..so much info. had to copy this one for re-read later! thanks
 
  • #183
What about the fact that a person can infect others?
What about teachers, bus drivers, lunch ladies, etc?

Children unlikely to transmit coronavirus, says study cited in PM's push to reopen schools
Children unlikely to transmit coronavirus, says study cited in PM's push to reopen schools
NSW report held up as Morrison government seeks return to classrooms across Australia despite warnings from teacher unions

A new report, cited by the chief medical officer as the federal government advocates the reopening of schools, says children are unlikely to transmit Covid-19 between each other or to adults.

The study by NSW Health’s Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance (NCIRS), released on Sunday, examined transmission of the virus in NSW schools and childcare centres between March and mid-April.

Examining the spread 18 of coronavirus cases (nine students and nine staff) from 15 schools, the report’s preliminary findings were that only one primary school student and one high school student “may have contracted Covid-19 from the initial cases at their schools”.


“No teacher or staff member contracted Covid-19 from any of the initial school cases,” the report added.

Macartney said the findings built on emerging data overseas showing children were not likely to spread the virus between themselves or to adults.

“A unique aspect of this work is that we were able to look specifically for spread in schools over many weeks and utilise additional testing methods,” she said.

The NSW government said that although school aged children represented around 16% of the NSW population, only 1.7% of Covid-19 cases had been recorded in this age group.
 
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  • #185
Children unlikely to transmit coronavirus, says study cited in PM's push to reopen schools
Children unlikely to transmit coronavirus, says study cited in PM's push to reopen schools
NSW report held up as Morrison government seeks return to classrooms across Australia despite warnings from teacher unions

A new report, cited by the chief medical officer as the federal government advocates the reopening of schools, says children are unlikely to transmit Covid-19 between each other or to adults.

The study by NSW Health’s Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance (NCIRS), released on Sunday, examined transmission of the virus in NSW schools and childcare centres between March and mid-April.

Examining the spread 18 of coronavirus cases (nine students and nine staff) from 15 schools, the report’s preliminary findings were that only one primary school student and one high school student “may have contracted Covid-19 from the initial cases at their schools”.


“No teacher or staff member contracted Covid-19 from any of the initial school cases,” the report added.

Macartney said the findings built on emerging data overseas showing children were not likely to spread the virus between themselves or to adults.

“A unique aspect of this work is that we were able to look specifically for spread in schools over many weeks and utilise additional testing methods,” she said.

The NSW government said that although school aged children represented around 16% of the NSW population, only 1.7% of Covid-19 cases had been recorded in this age group.

It looks like they are extrapolating potential results that can't be assured based on the study. The study doesn't suggest that returning kids to school is safe. Rather, it looked at the spread following 18 cases prior to the school shut downs. I would be surprised if Australia used this study as a basis for returning kids to school.

From the article:

The study by NSW Health’s Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance (NCIRS), released on Sunday, examined transmission of the virus in NSW schools and childcare centres between March and mid-April.

Examining the spread 18 of coronavirus cases (nine students and nine staff) from 15 schools, the report’s preliminary findings were that only one primary school student and one high school student “may have contracted Covid-19 from the initial cases at their schools”.
“No teacher or staff member contracted Covid-19 from any of the initial school cases,” the report added.

The low transmission rate was despite 735 students and 128 staff being “close contacts” of the initial 18 cases.

The study, which will soon be peer reviewed, says the NSW government’s announcement on 23 March to encourage parents to keep their children home from school “may have impacted the results of this investigation”.
 
  • #186
A broad majority of Georgia voters support a statewide shelter-in-place to combat the spread of the coronavirus, according to a University of Georgia survey released as Gov. Brian Kemp debates whether to extend stay-at-home orders set to expire Thursday night.

The survey found about one-half of registered Georgia voters support the mandate that took effect April 3, and an additional one-quarter of voters “somewhat back it.” Only about 10% of Georgians oppose the idea; the rest are neutral or undecided.

And roughly 62% of Georgia voters disapprove of Kemp’s decision to ease restrictions on restaurants, theaters and close-contact businesses such as barbershops and nail salons over the past week....

An overwhelming majority of voters — about 80% — said they are worried a family member will be exposed, with 52% extremely or very worried.

Georgians are largely divided on the steps Kemp has taken to contain the pandemic, with about 44% saying the measures are appropriate while 41% say the state hasn’t “gone far enough.” An additional 15% say the state has gone “too far,” a group composed of roughly even numbers of Democrats, Republicans and independents.

But a plurality of voters — 45% — approve of how the state is responding to the crisis, compared with about one-third that disapprove.

Poll: Georgians back shelter-in-place, oppose rollback of restrictions
 
  • #187
If you are in a high risk group then you probably shouldn't work in jobs that place you around a lot of contagious people.

But I don't understand the reference to all of the 'school' related jobs. Are you saying we shouldn't open up the schools now because of the lunch ladies and bus drivers and teachers being at risk?

The schools are considered one of the first targets to open because the youngest are least vulnerable to the virus. So if a lunch lady is in the vulnerable category, she might need to find a less risky job for now?
The youngest don’t live in a vacuum. Many live with grandparents, or have parents who are in higher risk groups.

And it is easy to say that a lunch lady might need to find a less risky job but it isn’t always possible. Many bus drivers, teacher aides, and lunch servers are part time jobs held by semi-retired folks, at least in the area where I live. I don’t know that they could quickly secure other career options.
 
  • #188
"Out loud" musings on this windy Indiana morning.

The irony of shelter in place. This virus seems to have a knack for finding the most vulnerable (care homes) that have no choice but to shelter in place.

We have to figure this out. It's a global issue.

I wonder if any employees would ever consider sheltering in place at care homes? Ponder that.
 
  • #189
Virus testing opens for millions more in England

Coronavirus: Testing opens for millions more people in England

Coronavirus testing is available for millions more people in England from today after the government loosened rules on who can apply.

Expanded eligibility now means care home residents and staff with or without symptoms can request testing.

While people over 65 and anyone who must leave home to go to work can now book a test if they have symptoms.

No 10 aims to hit its target of 100,000 tests per day by Thursday, with just over 43,000 taking place as of Monday.

The expansion in eligibility beyond just essential workers and hospital patients means 25 million people can now book through the government's test-booking website, testing coordinator Prof John Newton told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

Symptoms of coronavirus include a new dry persistent cough, and a fever or raised temperature above 37.8C.

Testing capacity has now increased to 73,400 a day, according to Downing Street, though home testing kits and appointments at regional centres in Wales ran out around an hour after Wednesday's slots launched for booking at 08:00 BST.

But differences between the UK nations on testing emerged as Wales said it would not follow England in testing care home residents and staff who are not displaying symptoms.
 
  • #190
The youngest don’t live in a vacuum. Many live with grandparents, or have parents who are in higher risk groups.

And it is easy to say that a lunch lady might need to find a less risky job but it isn’t always possible. Many bus drivers, teacher aides, and lunch servers are part time jobs held by semi-retired folks, at least in the area where I live. I don’t know that they could quickly secure other career options.

It blows me away the number of children being raised by grandparents. Jmo
 
  • #191
Face masks would be 'advisory not compulsory' if introduced, confirmed cases nears 20,000: Today's Covid-19 Main Points

(Ireland)

A FURTHER 59 people in Ireland have died as a result of Covid-19, health officials confirmed yesterday evening.

The new deaths include 14 ‘probable’ cases, where the individuals who died were not lab tested but a doctor suspects they had Covid-19

It brings the total number of deaths in Ireland, including probable deaths, to 1,102.

Additionally, 229 new cases of Covid-19 were announced, bringing the total number of confirmed cases here to 19,877.

The use of masks in public is being considered as part of efforts to tackle coronavirus, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar told reporters today but said they would not be compulsory.

“I think we will be in a position to offer revised advice to the Irish public later in the week. Because the science is so uncertain on it, it is not something that we would make compulsory but something we would make advisory.”

His comments came as the Scottish government issued guidance for people to shield their faces in places such as shops and on public transport. The powersharing executive in Northern Ireland is due to consider a similar proposal.

Here are today’s main Covid-19 points:

  • The use of face masks in public is being considered as part of efforts to tackle coronavirus in Ireland, the chief medical officer has said.
  • Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said the number of patients in ICU with Covid-19 are not low enough to ease restrictions on 5 May. He intends to make public the plan on how Ireland will reopen in the coming days.
  • Health officials are expecting an increase in the number of people being tested for the coronavirus over the next week after a slight change in the case definition.
  • The government has now paid out over €650 million to companies across the country under the temporary wage subsidy scheme.
  • Healthcare workers unable to find childcare will be able to remain at home to mind their children while being paid, unions have been told today.
  • The Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors (AGSI) is to write to the Garda Commissioner over an incident involving one of its members at a Covid-19 checkpoint.
  • The coronavirus outbreak has led to some vulnerable patients awaiting transfer to a nursing home, including older people and those with disabilities, left in hospitals for longer than necessary.
  • Gardaí have said that a file will be sent to the DPP in relation to alleged breaches of Covid-19 regulations by supporters of a legal challenge at the Four Courts in Dublin today and at a hearing last week.
  • A formal decision is expected today on procedures for junior cycle students after the cancellation of the Junior Cert. RTÉ reports that it is likely that plans to hold tests in schools in the autumn will be formally abandoned.
  • Dublin LGBTQ Pride has cancelled its annual parade for 2020 after initially postponing it until September. Organisers are now planning a virtual parade and concert in June.
 
  • #192
"Out loud" musings on this windy Indiana morning.

The irony of shelter in place. This virus seems to have a knack for finding the most vulnerable (care homes) that have no choice but to shelter in place.

We have to figure this out. It's a global issue.

I wonder if any employees would ever consider sheltering in place at care homes? Ponder that.
In the county where I live, nursing homes pay CNAs $12 or $13 per hour.

Home health aides travel from one high-risk patient home to another, daily. Their average pay is $10.50 per hour.

These employees who interact with our highest risk population likely can’t afford to order grocery delivery through delivery services, paying fees and upcharges. So many or most are probably shopping at Walmart or other busy stores, increasing their exposure and risk. In turn this increases the risk for the patients they work with on a daily basis.

Shelter in place at care facilities would be a great idea, just not sure if it would be practical.
 
  • #193
It blows me away the number of children being raised by grandparents. Jmo
I never realized how many grandparents were raising their grandchildren until I began working in healthcare. There are a fair number of GREAT grandparents raising their great grandchildren.
 
  • #194
LONDON (Reuters) - The coronavirus pandemic could permanently change how many bankers make the daily trudge into tightly packed city centre offices, Barclays (BARC.L) CEO Jes Staley said on Wednesday.

The bank, which like companies worldwide has seen the majority of its staff work from home or backup sites, will not revert fully to its pre-January working habits, Staley said.

“There will be a long-term adjustment in how we think about our location strategy...the notion of putting 7,000 people in a building may be a thing of the past,” he told reporters after the bank reported a fall in first-quarter profits.

Barclays plans to reopen its Hong Kong office first before other Asian hubs such as Singapore and Tokyo, and then Europe, Staley said.

Social distancing rules will limit how many workers can return and impose restrictions, such as limiting elevators to two people at a time, he said.

Barclays CEO says 'putting 7,000 people in a building may be thing of the past'
 
  • #195
Dr. Hansen re pulse oximeters; Dr. Seheult re Update 62: Treatment with Famotidine (Pepcid)?



ETA: Also, Dr. Seheult is going to do a live Q&A this week FYI here is info

Q&Alive.JPG

ETA#2 - He also speaks at the end how this disease indeed is more than a lung disease...affects to epithelium and will be covering more in upcoming videos.
 
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  • #196
LONDON (Reuters) - The coronavirus pandemic could permanently change how many bankers make the daily trudge into tightly packed city centre offices, Barclays (BARC.L) CEO Jes Staley said on Wednesday.

The bank, which like companies worldwide has seen the majority of its staff work from home or backup sites, will not revert fully to its pre-January working habits, Staley said.

“There will be a long-term adjustment in how we think about our location strategy...the notion of putting 7,000 people in a building may be a thing of the past,” he told reporters after the bank reported a fall in first-quarter profits.

Barclays plans to reopen its Hong Kong office first before other Asian hubs such as Singapore and Tokyo, and then Europe, Staley said.

Social distancing rules will limit how many workers can return and impose restrictions, such as limiting elevators to two people at a time, he said.

Barclays CEO says 'putting 7,000 people in a building may be thing of the past'

I was thinking about this yesterday. All these huge city centre office blocks are going to become a bit redundant I reckon. The big corporates have realised they do not need ALL their staff in ALL the time as most can work from home quite easily, and I doubt they'll require as much desk space ever again. I hope it brings about a shift in the way we work - could be very beneficial for parents trying to juggle working with school pick ups and childcare.

But... what to do with hundreds of massive, expensive, half empty office buildings?
 
  • #197
"Out loud" musings on this windy Indiana morning.

The irony of shelter in place. This virus seems to have a knack for finding the most vulnerable (care homes) that have no choice but to shelter in place.

We have to figure this out. It's a global issue.

I wonder if any employees would ever consider sheltering in place at care homes? Ponder that.

They aren't really "sheltering" in place by themselves in nursing homes. It's a communal setting. Which is why it spreads so easily there. It's also impossible to maintain any sort of distancing between patients and caretakers since a lot elderly in nursing homes need help with all the tasks. It would be impossible to make a lot of them to wear masks, especially if they suffer from dementia.
As for employees sheltering with the residents, it would be pretty difficult for anyone to stay there for who knows how long.
 
  • #198
Some positive news. My bet you have to give it as early as possible in the infection to give it the best chance to work, not to wait until patient is near death.
"Gilead Sciences Inc. said data from a U.S. study of its drug remdesivir showed the medication had met the primary endpoint in a trial of its effectiveness in treating Covid-19."
Gilead Says Remdesivir Hit Primary Target in Covid-19 Study
 
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