Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #52

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I wonder if/how many protestors have contracted CV via those rallies.
 
  • #603
Party shut down by cops was held in townhome owned by CFD commander

“The son had a set of keys to his mother’s building and was able to disarm the townhome’s alarm system”

Perhaps community service for the 50+ party goers?
That was a disgusting and disrespectful action by her son. He knows his mother is doing risky, difficult work as a 1st responder. And he sneakily disconnects the ring-camera and throws a party, in HER home.

He is 26---he knows damn well it wasn't going to just be 20 people showing up. That was so disrespectful, but his news interview showed him to be blowing it off, acting like it's no big deal.

He should be given some legal consequences, imo.
 
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I just saw a commercia-l Governor Cuomo

Governor Andrew Cuomo is set to appear as a guest on an upcoming episode of The Ellen DeGeneres Show.

During the times of the coronavirus pandemic many are turning to their governors for leadership, and one in particular has gained national attention.

"Cay I say that I am a Cuomosexual?" Ellen asked the Governor in a segment from the upcoming episode. "You know that that's going around, that people are saying they're Cuomosexuals?"

"Yeah, I think that's a good thing." Governor Cuomo responded.

"Andrew Cuomo has emerged as a leader many people are looking to for strength. I’m so happy he’s on my show this Thursday."

The Ellen DeGeneres Show continues with remotely produced episodes filmed at Ellen’s home amid the coronavirus outbreak.

In a tweet promoting the episode, Ellen outlined her praise for the New York Democrat.

Andrew Cuomo has emerged as a leader many people are looking to for strength. I’m so happy he’s on my show this Thursday.

In the upcoming episode, the governor shares his recent meeting with President Trump went “swimmingly” despite their differing political views, and gives his thoughts on states lifting quarantine restrictions earlier than anticipated.

Cuomo also responds to both him and his brother, CNN anchor Chris Cuomo, having new adoring fans, and opens up about Chris’ battle with COVID-19.

New York's Governor Andrew Cuomo is set to appear on Ellen Thursday April 30th. 3 pm EST NBC

video 1:05

Ellen DeGeneres on Twitter
 
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I want to know if I had it even if it doesn't guarantee immunity in the future. If I knew I had antibodies right now there's a lot of lonely elderly people I would be visiting and shopping for. Heck I'd be making them cakes or doughnuts or fried chicken or pizza. Anything to make a change in their day.
Plus, if you have antibodies, you might be able to donate plasma to create anti-body treatments to help others who are sick now.
 
  • #607
Damn it otto, you are being stubborn! 5% death rate of coronavirus would kill millions in the U.S. You cannot look at death rate per confirmed cases.

Deaths rate means deaths from CV divided by the % of total infections in a population. How do you know the total infections in a population?

Total positive CV tests mean nothing since they test only a small segment of the population, and they are heavily biased towards symptomatic people and healthcare workers (which is good). And tests only tell if someone is active with CV, not if they have recovered. We also know there are many, many asymptomatic people that have/had CV and didn’t know it, or didn’t have much in the way of symptoms, thus never tested.

So the only way to find out the deaths rate is to know how many people have been infected. This can be done with antibody testing. These tests are not perfect but have a small error rate which seems to balance between positive and negative false readings.

New York State conducted cross-state antibody testing that showed 14.9% of the population had COVID at one time. This represents 2.7 million had COVID-19 instead of the 250,000 confirmed positive cases. This translates to an actual death rate of 0.5%. Very bad but not the 2-4% repeated in the media to this day.
But NYC is one of the hardest hit areas in the world, high population density and some hospitals overrun. 0.5% death rate should be the high water mark for the U.S.

Then the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine conducted the first truly randomized CV antibody data collection and found a coronavirus death rate of 0.18% in heavily populated Miami Dade County, from an extrapolated 165,000 positive cases and 295 deaths. IMO, this should be more representative on the country. Note the media reported about the results but never mentioned the 0.18% death rate, which was all that mattered.

We could compare this 0.18% death rate to the flu rate of 0.10%, but the comparisons stop there. Coronavirus has no vaccine and is more contagious and asymptomatic, which is why we have a pandemic.

1 in 5 New Yorkers May Have Had Covid-19, Antibody Tests Suggest

Asymptomatic: People who tested positive showed no symptoms - CNN

Good point. Deaths per confirmed cases is one fact we have today. That's 19%.

Deaths per million are ... mortality rate of between 5-6%. That is very likely the 5% of hospitalized cases that end up in the morgue.

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Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19) - Statistics and Research

Antibody tests do not equate to immunity or absence of contagion yet. Until tests can demonstrate that recovered people are no longer contagious, antibody tests are pointless.
 
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i just googled that viruses do not multip!y in food

What were the results for sick people making ice cream, like Typhoid Fever Mary?
 
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i just googled that viruses do not multip!y in food

That's correct. Viruses don't multiply in or on anything other than in their hosts. They aren't like bacteria, which multiply. Viruses outside of their hosts will begin to die unless they find a new host in time.
 
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MANAUS, Brazil (Reuters) - Deaths from the coronavirus outbreak have piled up so fast in the Amazon rainforest's biggest city that the main cemetery is burying five coffins at a time in collective graves.

Soon, the city may run out of coffins.

"It's chaos here," said Maria Garcia, who waited for three hours in a line of hearses to obtain a death certificate to be able to bury her 80-year-old grandfather, who died at dawn in his home of respiratory collapse.

Manaus, the capital of Amazonas state, was the first in Brazil to run out of intensive care units, but officials warned that several other cities are close behind as the country registered a record 6,276 new coronavirus cases on Wednesday.

In Rio de Janeiro, cemeteries have accelerated construction of above-ground vaults to entomb a wave of deceased patients. Undertakers in Manaus even resorted to burying coffins one on top of the other this week, but the city stopped the practice after grieving relatives protested.

Brazilian right-wing President Jair Bolsonaro, who has downplayed the gravity of the virus, calling it a "little cold," came under new criticism for his remarks on the soaring deaths.

"So what? I'm sorry, but what do you want me to do?" Bolsonaro told reporters on Tuesday, saying he could not "work miracles."

Amazon city resorts to mass graves as Brazil COVID-19 deaths soar
 
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Well if the over 60's stay at home and the rest of the people supposedly can go back to work, fine. I'll stay home, wear a mask and wash my hands, grocery items until there is a vaccine. No need to pity the "older crowd"...

My state AZ, has over 7 million people. There's been over 40K state wide tested. Our deaths are over 300 as of today. My county Pima, has only given a little over 8k tests. The population is over 1 million people. Our stay at home was extended 2 more weeks Unless AZ tests way more people, I could stay home for the next year on our stats...not happy. The state has admitted they have lagged on testing due to availability.

An example is Utah. Nothing against Utah only wonder why my state lags so far behind. That's over 1.7 million people it looks like to me. 2 weeks ago they had 183,000 tests when we had about 3k for our million. Maybe there aren't walking zombie infections walking around? Who knows without tests?

Yes, my state is doing antibody testing through AZ Banner, IIRC. We'll stay at home. I only wish the states could acquire tests or pursued getting test.

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (ABC4 News)- Utah has 4,495 cases of coronavirus as of Wednesday, April 29th. So far 1,790*** people have recovered from the virus, according to the Utah Department of Health.

Go to work if you need to, we'd enjoy the profit too, working but we'll probably have to stay home without tests or vaccine.
 
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I just don’t see how the usual numbers of people will be shopping in malls for a swimsuit or new clothes. Will people even be in the mood? Will some people think, why waste that money on things that may not be seen (dressing up to go out, new swim suits for the cancelled vacations, etc.)? I’m sure there will be folks who spend as usual. But I bet a lot are either going to save a bit more or spend it differently.
Malls are a preferred hangout for tweens and teens out of school. Ha! No social distancing there!
 
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What is the best course to take? I assume what we are doing, but analyzing new data to see if we need to modify our course going forward. I don't see much of that happening.
Personally, I think the best course is for many states to slowly begin their reopening phase.

And for the most vulnerable to stay isolated. Those of us who probably cannot live through this virus will have to stay quarantined.

But I think phase one of the roll outs should begin in some areas. Maybe elementary schools and daycares open first, with new precautions.

And manufacturing businesses?

Clinics for non-covid19 treatments?

Outdoor areas for exercises?

I think there will be more cases, but it will increase the 'herd' anti-body numbers and allow more workers and students to safely return to their daily lives.

We cannot ignore the danger of a total economic collapse and broken supply chains and Bankrupt cities and counties. We need to avoid the worst case scenario.

We are already headed for a dire and severe depression. But we need to divert the worst case scenario by beginning to ramp up some economic stimulus opportunities while we still can.

Many companies are already headed for bankruptcy. But many can still be saved. I think we should try to do so. JMO MOO IMO
 
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You can have morals and still respect the history of a culture's bad ideas. Some of my ancestors were cannibals. I do not endorse cannibalism. And, actually, some of my ancestors hunted and ate animals that I do my best to try and preserve in their natural state.

Morality and ethnocentrism are different. We do a lot of crap in the US, UK, Canada, Australia, that is also immoral - but I think it's fair to say we treat animals a bit better than China. It's a big thing for me. Most nations have abandoned animal testing for things like shampoo or mascara - but not China. They apparently don't care. And so, since they are such a big market, companies like Estée Launder, L'Oreal, Revlon, etc have to test on animals just to tap into that market - a few are moving away from that market, but it's a big market, especially for cosmetics.

And then there's the whole trade in so-called "Chinese remedies" which has frequently included using parts of "wild animals" (animals cornered into remote places of China, held in cages in "wet markets").

have you seen any documentaries like Earthlings, Dominion? will open your eyes to our treatment of animals
we don't really treat animals any better - we just torture different species
 
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Well if the over 60's stay at home and the rest of the people supposedly can go back to work, fine. I'll stay home, wear a mask and wash my hands, grocery items until there is a vaccine. No need to pity the "older crowd"...

My state AZ, has over 7 million people. There's been over 40K state wide tested. Our deaths are over 300 as of today. My county Pima, has only given a little over 8k tests. The population is over 1 million people. Our stay at home was extended 2 more weeks Unless AZ tests way more people, I could stay home for the next year on our stats...not happy. The state has admitted they have lagged on testing due to availability.

An example is Utah. Nothing against Utah only wonder why my state lags so far behind. That's over 1.7 million people it looks like to me. 2 weeks ago they had 183,000 tests when we had about 3k for our million. Maybe there aren't walking zombie infections walking around? Who knows without tests?

Yes, my state is doing antibody testing through AZ Banner, IIRC. We'll stay at home. I only wish the states could acquire tests or pursued getting test.

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (ABC4 News)- Utah has 4,495 cases of coronavirus as of Wednesday, April 29th. So far 1,790*** people have recovered from the virus, according to the Utah Department of Health.

Go to work if you need to, we'd enjoy the profit too, working but we'll probably have to stay home without tests or vaccine.

Utah is going to be an outlier in the virus. Because Utah has statistically the youngest population of any state. Of course, there are more older folks in St. George that became a snowbird haven years ago.

I believe that Park City, Heber County had the highest rate of COVID19 in the state, not surprisingly, also correlates to the highest income area in the state. Lots of pilots live up the canyon, not surprising.
 
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The Trump administration is organizing a Manhattan Project-style effort to drastically cut the time needed to develop a coronavirus vaccine, with a goal of making enough doses for most Americans by year’s end.

Called “Operation Warp Speed,” the program will pull together private pharmaceutical companies, government agencies and the military to try to cut the development time for a vaccine by as much as eight months, according to two people familiar with the matter.

As part of the arrangement, taxpayers will shoulder much of the financial risk that vaccine candidates may fail, instead of drug companies.

The project’s goal is to have 300 million doses of vaccine available by January, according to one administration official. There is no precedent for such rapid development of a vaccine.

Last month, Trump directed Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar to speed development of a vaccine, and administration officials have been meeting on the effort for three to four weeks, one of the people said. A meeting on the project was scheduled at the White House on Wednesday.

The people familiar with the project and the administration officials asked not to be identified because it hasn’t yet been publicly announced.

The project will cost billions of dollars, one of the people said. And it will almost certainly result in significant waste by making inoculations at scale before knowing if they’ll be safe and effective -- meaning that vaccines that fail will be useless.

The group is discussing which Americans might be vaccinated first, as the medicines would likely roll off production lines in batches, one of the people said. The project would be funded from money already available to the government and won’t require new authority from Congress, one of the people said.

Trump’s ‘Operation Warp Speed’ Aims to Rush Coronavirus Vaccine
Pity they didn't warp speed in January.
 
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Joshua Weitz - GA Tech.....GA FORECAST

From earlier in the day, want to highlight our model impacts of interventions (projecting to 6/30):
Statewide fatality estimates differ
between ~25,000+ (for business as usual),
~2750 (for 50% reduction in transmission)
to ~1200 (for 75% reduction).
Metapopulation AGe-structured Epidemiological (MAGE) model for COVID-19 in Georgia, USA
1/3 Joshua Weitz on Twitter

In Fulton County (@KeishaBottoms), we project
2400+ deaths (for business as usual),
~250 deaths (for 50% reduction) and
~120 deaths (for 75%) reduction.
2/3 Joshua Weitz on Twitter

These are nonlinear systems, so extra effort to reduce transmission (via social distancing, testing, and tracing) can have significant positive benefits.
2-page executive summary:
WeitzGroup/MAGEmodel_covid19_GA
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Models suggest that prior efforts have reduced potential transmission by ~50%.
Moving forward: If baseline interactions increase, then other mechanisms (tracking/tracing) need to be in place to rapidly isolate/quarantine.
 

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245 JBS Greeley employees have COVID-19, CDPHE confirms

“GREELEY, Colo. (KDVR) — According to new data from the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, there are now 245 confirmed COVID-19 cases among staff at the JBS meat processing plant in Greeley.

Five plant employees have died.”

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First responders granted high priority for COVID-19 testing ahead of wildfire season

“Poudre Fire Authority Fire Chief Tom DeMint said firefighters often finding themselves setting up camp as they battle a blaze for days. Sickness can spread easily in the camps.

“There a common term in the fire service called ‘camp crud,'” DeMint said.

The chief said it is common to see stomach bugs or the common cold spread through those camp sites. This year, it could be different.

“Our fear is that without testing going into these fires, that that camp crud this year could be COVID,” said DeMint.

“It could send a lot of people home from a fire that need to be out in the lines,” added DeMint.”


• the new CDC guidance only applies to first responders showing symptoms.
 
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