Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #57

[Runswithscissorz]

You definitely need days away. We all do. That's just normal. And so very sorry about your son. That's a tough one. No wonder you're extra sad.

I find breathing exercises help me a lot. I have some meditation apps on my phone that also include breathing for stress, for sleep, for extra energy. Some of my favs are HeadSpace, Oak, Insight Timer and Relax Melodies. I do follow some meditation on them as well and they all have free content (and more if you want to pay).

Hope you don't think me pushy. I don't mean to intrude and tell you what to do. I just know what works for me and like to share advice with everyone and anyone. (Married to a psychologist as well so I'm used to receiving advice too.)

Stay well ...and smile. It triggers lots of health benefits.

OH gosh No! Not pushy at all thank you again, all great suggestions and reminders. I try to meditate and occasionally it works along with 4 square breathing and such for anxiety.

As an introvert & someone who has always had a large “personal space bubble”, distancing is absolutely not a problem but depression definitely is. I’ve found my go-to coping method is Reggae music, walking dog, physical labor. Such satisfaction from home repair lol. Some ladies Do like power tools for birthdays lol.

Trying to live day to day and not set goals that can’t be accomplished atm.
And trying to maintain my “12 yr old boy”
sense of humor

 

[firebird]

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article242833706.html?

This is really disturbing, about the "Covid-19" effects on children.

And merits more discussion in regards to school starting back up, especially for children who are medically fragile. Especially in regards to schools being held liable for children getting the disease at school.

This also has ramifications for teachers. If a teacher comes down with Coronavirus, would that teacher be eligible for workers comp benefits? Presumption that the teacher was exposed at work.

It's not worse, and probably much better, than many other things kids can pick up at school or injure themselves doing. jmo

From the link:

The disease appears to be “a very rare complication” of COVID-19 and while it can get some kids very sick, it has a “very low mortality rate,” said Dr. Ronald Ford, chief medical officer at Joe DiMaggio Children’s Hospital.

 

[Gardener1850]

I have been very confused lately. I had to go have a second COVID test which also turned out Neg. (Symptoms: headache, metallic taste in mouth, no appetite, abdominal pain, extreme fatigue/malaise)
About 5 days after the test, I had bad pain in my left calf, swelling, hardened vein, and feeling like there was a knot in it, also purplish discoloration around the spot. Pain got really bad so went to ER, where they did an ultrasound. It showed no large vein clots or DVT, but Dr. said "I bet you had COVID", you have a small blood clot and "thrombophlebitis" in leg and this is COVID-related.

Talked to nurse at my primary care Dr's offc today, she said radiology notes from ER showed no blood clots (which is technically true--they were looking for large vein clots) yet they want me to isolate AGAIN even after 2 Neg COVID tests. I am so very confused. Any advice from others who've had clots, are medical people, or just have some input? I'll see my dr. virtually tomorrow and don't even know where to begin. I am really frustrated and angry.

Where is your abdominal pain approx? Did they check for things like gallstones, kidney stones or appendicitis? Or ovarian cysts? (assuming you are female) Have you had a colonoscopy recently? It's not fun, but it's one way to rule out colon cancer. I have not heard of anyone with Covid having a metallic taste. Covid patients are losing all sense of taste/smell from my understanding of that symptom. I would keep following up with your doctor and push for more testing until they find out what is going on. Try not to be angry/emotional when you talk to the dr but make it clear this is not normal for you. Make a list of your symptoms to read to the dr and also write down the questions you want to ask before hand so you don't forget anything while on the video appointment.

Also, another thought is maybe you did have Covid but don't have it actively now so the tests are coming up negative. Maybe ask your dr if you should get an antibody test to diagnose if you had it in the past? So little is known about the long term effects of this virus because it's new (novel). But regardless, I would keep pressing for a diagnosis of something to explain what is happening to you. I hope you can get a diagnosis or treatment or that you will start to feel better soon. Keep us posted. Good luck.

ETA Disclaimer: I am not a medical person. I have been an frustrated/angry/confused patient before while trying to get a diagnosis of something. Don't give up.

MOO.

 

[The Night Watchman]

It's not worse, and probably much better, than many other things kids can pick up at school or injure themselves doing. jmo

From the link:

The disease appears to be “a very rare complication” of COVID-19 and while it can get some kids very sick, it has a “very low mortality rate,” said Dr. Ronald Ford, chief medical officer at Joe DiMaggio Children’s Hospital.

Ha, beat me to it.

I seriously look at the CV mortality data and potential long term effects for children from all angles, and have no idea why we are talking about keeping children home from school. If someone can explain how this is more risky to children's health than the flu, please chime in. We rarely shut schools for the flu. For at-risk children, of course they should be essentially quarantined until there is a vaccine or we get close to herd immunity.

I think the real risk is that children spread the virus and bring it home. Which probably isn't the worst thing since children tend to have parents in the generally safe 25-50 age group. But if there is a strong second wave of the pandemic in the fall, schools would have to be shut, of course.

 

[CharlestonGal]

"The U.S. could have avoided nearly 36,000 deaths caused by the coronavirus through early May if stay-at-home orders and other social distancing restrictions were implemented just one week earlier, a new study from Columbia University researchers shows.

The study, which focused on transmission in metropolitan areas, found that social distancing measures adopted throughout the nation after March 15 "effectively reduced rates of COVID-19 transmission."

The researchers estimated that had the measures been instituted just one week earlier that the U.S. may have avoided more than 700,000 confirmed cases of the virus and as many as 35,927 deaths that it caused. "

Social distancing one week earlier could have saved 36,000 US lives: study

 

[24Roses]

Iowa news today: May 21: Iowa COVID-19 death toll reaches 400 as state reports 19 additional deaths 421 new confirmed cases today and 19 more have passed away. We now have a total of 15,954 confirmed cases and 400 have passed away. ETA-8,475 have recovered.
IWD: More than 13,000 file for unemployment this week in Iowa
Study finds stay-at-home order in Iowa could have prevented 30 percent of COVID-19 cases
'Fallen short': Local health official tells Gov. Kim Reynolds’ staff Test Iowa, lack of data leaves county at disadvantage

 

[CharlestonGal]

Ha, beat me to it.

I seriously look at the CV mortality data and potential long term effects for children from all angles, and have no idea why we are talking about keeping children home from school. If someone can explain how this is more risky to children's health than the flu, please chime in. We rarely shut schools for the flu. For at-risk children, of course they should be essentially quarantined until there is a vaccine or we get close to herd immunity.

I think the real risk is that children spread the virus and bring it home. Which probably isn't the worst thing since children tend to have parents in the generally safe 25-50 age group. But if there is a strong second wave of the pandemic in the fall, schools would have to be shut, of course.

True. But then those parents in the generally safe 25-50 age group go to work at their meat packing plant, office job or nursing home job and start this merry-go-round of general infection all over again.

I don't know what the answer is. We're in a bit of a fix, for sure.

 

[tresir2012]

Kids aren't spreading it. That's something they got wrong. Also they got the care home policies wrong. Kids have mainly caught it at home, not at school. So instead of kids infecting older people it seems it was the other way around. MOO surmised from all the links I have posted and read today.

 

[firebird]

A lot of posters have asked, rhetorically or not, what those against the lockdown are thinking. Here's a perspective in the msm.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/end-new-york-citys-lockdown-now/

 

[tresir2012]

True. But then those parents in the generally safe 25-50 age group go to work at their meat packing plant, office job or nursing home job and start this merry-go-round of general infection all over again.

I don't know what the answer is. We're in a bit of a fix, for sure.

They are fixing those things at work because they have too. Noone will want to go back and work or buy the meat if they don't make improvements. MOO.

 

[24Roses]

Per Governor Reynolds in Iowa: Iowa is expanding their criteria for being able to get a test, so everyone that took the TestIowa assement and didn't qualify, should go do it again. She just said this in the pc that I'm listening to, so no MSM link right now.

 

[tresir2012]

A lot of posters have asked, rhetorically or not, what those against the lockdown are thinking. Here's a perspective in the msm.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/end-new-york-citys-lockdown-now/

By David Marcus

May 20, 2020 | 6:59pm | Updated

New York Post cover for May 21, 2020
Sometimes, a good rant is all a writer can offer. Bear with me.

Last Friday morning, some 3,500 New Yorkers lined up at a Catholic church in Queens to receive free food hours before it even opened, according to the New York Police Department. Catholic Charities has reported a 200 percent increase in demand over the past month and a half.

By prolonging the coronavirus shutdown long after its core mission was accomplished, Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio have plunged tens of thousands of New Yorkers into poverty.

It needs to end. Now.

Article continues at link

 

[Sprockett7701]

I don't know much about the education system in Australia. Is there no provision for home schooling or is attendance at an institution compulsory?

I live in Perth, WA and we have a pretty much 0% infection rate atm...

My four yr old son returned to community kindy and his six yr old sister returned to Yr 1 two weeks ago.

There is definitely home schooling in WA, I just think the info wasn’t relevant to them because they were already home schooling. For parents who wanted to change to home schooling if their child is registered at school, I assume that would mean losing their place in school and having to register with the got as home schooling, etc, et al

ETA Also I’m pretty sure there are medical exemptions available...

 

[doublestop]

There is no evidence. The serious to deadly threat to children is, by all accounts, almost nil. It would be like saying I’d rather my child never ride in a car than see him in icu after an accident. Jmo

ETA: obviously the car example is far more likely to be a serious risk

No. The comparable analogy would be saying "I'd rather my child ride in a child safety seat than seee him in the ICU after an accident." Wearing a mask is a basic safety precaution, like child seats in cars.

 

[Cool Cats]

I have been very confused lately. I had to go have a second COVID test which also turned out Neg. (Symptoms: headache, metallic taste in mouth, no appetite, abdominal pain, extreme s
fatigue/malaise)
About 5 days after the test, I had bad pain in my left calf, swelling, hardened vein, and feeling like there was a knot in it, also purplish discoloration around the spot. Pain got really bad so went to ER, where they did an ultrasound. It showed no large vein clots or DVT, but Dr. said "I bet you had COVID", you have a small blood clot and "thrombophlebitis" in leg and this is COVID-related.

Talked to nurse at my primary care Dr's offc today, she said radiology notes from ER showed no blood clots (which is technically true--they were looking for large vein clots) yet they want me to isolate AGAIN even after 2 Neg COVID tests. I am so very confused. Any advice from others who've had clots, are medical people, or just have some input? I'll see my dr. virtually tomorrow and don't even know where to begin. I am really frustrated and angry.

You seem like a good "candidate" for a Covid-19 antibody test. If your Dr. were to order you one, ask what the medical plan would be for you if you test positive and the plan if you test negative.

Ask your Dr. if she/he will do diagnostic testing to get you a firm diagnosis - if you test negative.

You will get better but even so, you have a right to get a diagnosis. You shouldn't be kept "up in the air" -- yes you have Covid no you don't have Covid, yes you have a blood clot no you don't have a blood clot.

If you do not get the answers you seek then see a specialist! You can be honest with your Dr. that you want answers and ask he/she for a referral to a specialist.

Sorry your going through all this Put yourself 1st and do what is best for you

 

[Sundog]

Photo included of students with desk partitions that are placed on student's desks for social distancing when they take their masks off for lunch. Classrooms in Taiwan.

Taiwan school uses dividers during lunch to counter coronavirus

 

[dmac55]

It's not worse, and probably much better, than many other things kids can pick up at school or injure themselves doing. jmo

From the link:

The disease appears to be “a very rare complication” of COVID-19 and while it can get some kids very sick, it has a “very low mortality rate,” said Dr. Ronald Ford, chief medical officer at Joe DiMaggio Children’s Hospital.

My experience, is that for some people, it only matters when it's their child or loved one that becomes infected with COVID-19
And then it matters alot
As it should, in my opinion

 

[firebird]

No. The comparable analogy would be saying "I'd rather my child ride in a child safety seat than seee him in the ICU after an accident." Wearing a mask is a basic safety precaution, like child seats in cars.

Imo, there's nothing "basic" about a child wearing a face mask all day at school. That said, "In 2017 in the United States, 794 children ages 12 years and younger died as occupants in motor vehicle crashes. (Of all the children who died in a crash in 2017, 37% were not restrained.)"

Car Seat Safety Stats: Car Crashes - The #1 Killer Of Children

Fatality Facts 2018: Children

So 500 children who died in car accidents in 2017 were restrained (63%), and in 2018 the total was 383 (or 60%). Compared to the minute number of child deaths attributed directly or indirectly to Covid, the onerous "safety" precaution of toddlers and elementary school students wearing masks 6-8 hours a day and all that comes with that, is completely unjustifiable, imo. Especially since there's no indication that it's even effective.

 

[firebird]

My experience, is that for some people, it only matters when it's their child or loved one that becomes infected with COVID-19
And then it matters alot
As it should, in my opinion

National policy decisions can't and shouldn't be based on individual experience. jmo

 

[Sundog]

I live in Perth, WA and we have a pretty much 0% infection rate atm...

My four yr old son returned to community kindy and his six yr old sister returned to Yr 1 two weeks ago.

There is definitely home schooling in WA, I just think the info wasn’t relevant to them because they were already home schooling. For parents who wanted to change to home schooling if their child is registered at school, I assume that would mean losing their place in school and having to register with the got as home schooling, etc, et al

ETA Also I’m pretty sure there are medical exemptions available...

In Washington state, parents who want to home school their children need to notify the local school district, meet certain educational minimum established by the state, instruct on state-mandated subjects, and do an annual assessment. They must update these annually with the local school district.

At least these were the state policies in 2015, according to the link to state regulations that I posted earlier today. Also, in this state, it says that no vaccinations are required, unlike some other states (each state varies on this).


Washington: Must meet one of four requirements: 1) Supervised by a “certified” person. 2) Achieved a minimum number of college credits. 3) Taken a course in home-based instruction. 4) Deemed qualified by local school board.