Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #57

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I had a dental cleaning this morning. I stayed in my car until the masked receptionist tapped on my window. The doors were permanently open. I had to fill out a short questionnaire and there was a pen holder for used pens. The hygienist took my temperature using a forehead reader before taking me back to the room. She was wearing an eye shield as well as a standard mask. The window was open in the room. (I was happy that it was a pleasant spring day here in Colorado.) Everyone in the practice was masked. The hygienist did almost everything using manual tools. Usually, my dentist comes into chat briefly, even for routine cleanings, but the hygienist says he is limiting patient contact where it is feasible at present. When I left, the receptionist wiped my credit card before returning it to me. I can't think of anything the practice could have done to make me feel any safer.
 
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I was talking TYPICAL----not exceptions that are true with anything.
The typical time it takes for a surgical procedure is 1-2 hours. Naturally, depending on the surgery, it can take longer. Are you telling me neurosurgeons perform 6 hour surgeries every day, Monday through Friday---and that's typical? Surgeons do not stand there and perform routine surgeries on patients, one after the other, for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week. Or even one surgery a day that takes 6 hours, and do that 5 days a week. The surgical team members also do not stand there for 6 hours straight assisting, with their masks on, five days a week.
If people have no problem with their kids wearing masks at school for 6 hours a day, five days a week, because they think it's not harmful to a child, then each to their own.
ETA----Your comparison to patients who are infectious makes no sense, unless you're claiming patients with an infectious disease usually stay in the hospital for 9 months--- a typical school year.

No routine surgeries going on ATM either.
 
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No one ever said hcq it stops 100% of people from getting the virus (although it may in some cases). D'oh, "wisconsin woman" lol. They've said it may stop you from dying of it. I notice the article doesn't say how sick she supposedly got. And she's obviously recovered. I Really have no idea why people are trying to completely discount a common, cheap drug that has the potential to help thousands of people. Bizarre, imo.

well, I for one, have NEVER discounted it.... I have always just felt it was getting too much of the $$$ for research, trials use etc. There are still people who need it for other diseases not getting it on time, and there are so many other drug trials that should be being done..... my ol' single needle in that haystack theory. I DO think success with it is part of the story of what is going on in India... but we will be learning more about that as days and weeks go by. Numbers there still amaze me.
 
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Big Hydroxy study beginning in UK. 40,000 to be enrolled.

Malaria pill trialled to prevent coronavirus

More from your link:
"A trial to see whether two anti-malarial drugs could prevent Covid-19 has begun in Brighton and Oxford.

Chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine or a placebo will be given to more than 40,000 healthcare workers from Europe, Africa, Asia and South America.

All the participants are staff who are in contact with Covid-19 patients."
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"The first UK participants in the global trial are being enrolled on Thursday at the Brighton and Sussex University Hospitals and the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford.

They will be given either hydroxychloroquine or a placebo for three months. At sites in Asia, participants will be given chloroquine or a placebo.

These are the first of a planned 25 UK sites, with results expected by the end of the year."

ETA: More details on the study here: Global clinical trial of 40,000+ healthcare workers begins to test in UK if chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine can prevent COVID-19 — CTMGH
 
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I don't think anyone wants any treatment to fail. The pushback against hydroxy seems to be its use outside of science backed guidelines - that is, use only in hospital and clinical trial settings. It is not currently standard of care as a preventive or an outpatient treatment (in the US, at least).
Except with one patient we all know. Plus stories of medics keeping, using and stockpiling it for themselves. I would like that to stop and those who are taking it as a preventative to come clean. MOO.
 
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Suns out!! Feeing much better and special thanks to @CSIDreamer , @zecats (so glad you shared), @The Night Watchman and @Lady L. Listened and took advice, doggo will be welcomed (because he’s an adorable foxdingo lol) all the places :)

This whole situation is hitting me like the grief I experienced after son passed suddenly a few years ago. In waves. I probably need more breaks from the bad news articles and learn not to be so depressed, angry and cranky on those days.

Anyway thank you all for being here and engaging in rational discussion and up to the minute news. You give me hope for the future.

And you give US hope too. Bouncing up and down just seems to be part of life these days...so glad to see you on a bounce back up today!
 
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Except with one patient we all know. Plus stories of medics keeping, using and stockpiling it for themselves. I would like that to stop and those who are taking it as a preventative to come clean. MOO.
I imagine hydroxy will only be one of the numerous "remedies" people will experiment with. Hopefully, they won't kill themselves in the process.
 
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And if China had let the world know earlier about human to human transmission, and if the WHO had proclaimed a pandemic earlier...
And if care homes had been protected, and if the pandemic was announced by WHO way before 11Mar and if the indoor vs outdoor and child spread was known etc etc.
 
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No, dental hygienists don’t stand there with a mask on for six hours. But they work 8 hours shifts and during that time for most of it they’re wearing masks.

I’ve witnessed the hours of three surgeons on one day of surgery (three surgeries) because I saw their names on the massive schedule in the waiting room which shows all their surgeries for the day. They had back to back surgeries (knee, heart and eye, respectively, for my BIL, niece and SIL) for most of the day. Surgeons work 60-80 hours typically a week.

So yeah. They do wear masks for hours per day on their surgery days.

And what of surgeons who do complex surgeries that last 6-10 hours? Those aren’t new. That shows that indeed, health care workers are wearing masks for extended periods and have been for decades.

And parents of cancer patients who are with their child for days in the cancer ward? Wearing a mask the whole time?

Of course, like I said, they’re not stapled to anyone’s face. No one leaves a mask on for hours without taking it off for at least a bit to eat, drink, etc.

But there is not one shred of data that states there is a risk to kid’s developing brains or carbon monoxide poisoning when wearing a mask for a lengthy time period. That’s what this conversation is about. That’s what you stated. That you think it wouldn’t be good for kids’ developing brains. But you have no evidence to back that up and it should be everyone’s goal to stop misinformation that can hurt us.

But like I said, I don’t know that it’s feasible to have all kids wear a mask all day at school. They’d take it off, touch it, get it dirty, and to wear the same mask would likely defeat the purpose. But some kids do do it:

“Some schools in Taiwan have required students to wear masks at all times, according to Taiwan News.

Second and third graders in Israel wear protective masks while in school, but not in the classroom.”

How 6 countries are opening up schools again, with temperature checks, outdoor classes, and spaced out desks

All photos from link.
What's the point of the kids masks? Very few under 18 are dying in fact very few under 45 are dying but the evidence is that kids are not spreading it like it was initially thought. We know why surgeons and dentists wear them - to protect the patient, so why would school kids need them?
 
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This warning just seems too dire to me.... I have very mild high blood pressure, managed perfectly..... and docs have said an aspirin a day is fine....
Like most things, it has to come with a health warning and a long list of possible side effects. MOO.
 
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https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article242833706.html?

This is really disturbing, about the "Covid-19" effects on children.

And merits more discussion in regards to school starting back up, especially for children who are medically fragile. Especially in regards to schools being held liable for children getting the disease at school.

This also has ramifications for teachers. If a teacher comes down with Coronavirus, would that teacher be eligible for workers comp benefits? Presumption that the teacher was exposed at work.

Not sure where and if HIPPa will get in the way.... But I would thinkk that all schools would need information regarding any students who have lived with or been around any covid cases.... Since the Childrens version of this starts so many weeks after exposure to someone with Covid.... a teacher would have to know how to be more on the lookout for such children.
 
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Interesting study enrolling healthcare workers to investigate the use of melatonin as prophylaxis for covid.

"There is an urgent need to evaluate interventions that can prevent the infection with SARS-CoV 2 of healthcare workers at risk. Melatonin is an inexpensive and safe product with protective effect in both bacterial and viral infections likely due to its anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidative effects. This randomized controlled trial seeks to evaluate is efficacy as a prophylaxis in healthcare workers exposed to the virus in their clinical practice."

Efficacy of Melatonin in the Prophylaxis of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Among Healthcare Workers. - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov
 
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Where is your abdominal pain approx? Did they check for things like gallstones, kidney stones or appendicitis? Or ovarian cysts? (assuming you are female) Have you had a colonoscopy recently? It's not fun, but it's one way to rule out colon cancer. I have not heard of anyone with Covid having a metallic taste. Covid patients are losing all sense of taste/smell from my understanding of that symptom. I would keep following up with your doctor and push for more testing until they find out what is going on. Try not to be angry/emotional when you talk to the dr but make it clear this is not normal for you. Make a list of your symptoms to read to the dr and also write down the questions you want to ask before hand so you don't forget anything while on the video appointment.

Also, another thought is maybe you did have Covid but don't have it actively now so the tests are coming up negative. Maybe ask your dr if you should get an antibody test to diagnose if you had it in the past? So little is known about the long term effects of this virus because it's new (novel). But regardless, I would keep pressing for a diagnosis of something to explain what is happening to you. I hope you can get a diagnosis or treatment or that you will start to feel better soon. Keep us posted. Good luck.

ETA Disclaimer: I am not a medical person. I have been an frustrated/angry/confused patient before while trying to get a diagnosis of something. Don't give up. :)

MOO.

Good point Gardner----> we do not hear about the metallic taste in the mouth. However, that metallic taste DOES show up as a symptom for various conditions.....so I think that would be good for @sallye818 to focus on that. Thought best not to post such lists via google search, since I am not a medical person!!!
 
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I don't want any drug to fail, but I question the costs of studies as large as UK's, when there are other drugs (anti-virals) that seem much more promising. Of course, HCQ is now generic, so it's not expensive, whereas the new anti-virals are expensive. But if I were going into a big study, I wouldn't want to be in the HCQ group, as there are a couple of dozen smaller studies that do not make it look particularly effective.

Perhaps all of these people will be mildly symptomatic at the time they join - that in and of itself will skew the study results, and it will remain hard to tell whether it's the person's own immune system or the HCQ that is making the difference. Hopefully, the 40,000 will include some severe cases (but other studies show very little effectiveness for HCQ in severe cases).

At any rate, the HCQ makers must be glad of the research. I wonder if they're donating to it.
I wouldn't want to be in the placebo group but generally you have no choice and won't even know what you are taking. What other prophylactic anti-viral meds do you think are better? Are there studies of them already going on?
 
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We're approved to open our restaurant here in San Diego, California, with a laundry list of conditions.
We're not ready, lots to do. I've ordered face shields for all employees, elegant paper plates and a litany of other items.
Definitely not opening on a Friday night on the verge of a 3 day holiday, LOL.
Maybe this Tuesday if Amazon gets me my supply orders.
 
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Like most things, it has to come with a health warning and a long list of possible side effects. MOO.
... was going to rant more but prob not worth it...
 
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We're approved to open our restaurant here in San Diego, California, with a laundry list of conditions.
We're not ready, lots to do. I've ordered face shields for all employees, elegant paper plates and a litany of other items.
Definitely not opening on a Friday night on the verge of a 3 day holiday, LOL.
Maybe this Tuesday if Amazon gets me my supply orders.
Keep us posted. Many of us have been following the saga of your restaurant. Good luck!!
 
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