Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #58

[Tillicum]

It is one of the most diverse. And the people were being funnelled into a large crowded city with heavy reliance on mass transit.

Why coronavirus pandemic hit New York City so hard
A Financial Times analysis of hard-hit places has only Bergamo, Italy, and Guayas, Ecuador, running ahead of New York in percentage of excess deaths — not Madrid, London or Ile-de-France.

The epidemic started early in New York. According to one model, the city had its first 10 cases at the end of January or by the middle of February. By the time it had its first confirmed case on March 1, there may have been as many as 10,000 undetected cases.

The city was getting seeded constantly from abroad. A study published by medrxiv.org concluded that “introductions from Europe account for the majority of cases found in NYC in the first weeks of March 2020.” It found “isolates from Italy, Finland, Spain, France, the U.K. and other European countries from late February.”

Then, people coming from or through New York spread the disease elsewhere in the United States. A New York Times analysis found that the number of cases around the country correlated with how many travelers arrived from New York in early March.

New York’s connection to the world, especially Europe, its density and its mass transit system all made it a potent vector.

And Ohio's first cases in 2 different counties were people who attended conventions in New York. They went in groups and eventually became our hot spots. Not blaming anyone but explaining how it creeped through the US quietly until it reached most every state.

 

[firebird]

Good what for you. You don't seem to understand that for people with pre-existing conditions, like myself, the risk is not practically nil.

My point was, to address the OP, that because I have almost no risk, I'm not going to guide myself by some anomolous situation experienced by one random guy in NY, or thousands of people over the age of 80, just for example. That would be dumb.

 

[MimosaMornings]

It would seem that way. But the reality is not. Go back to work, quit or get fired. There is no middle ground here.

If you quit - no unemployment.
June 15th will be 3 months with no money coming in. I’m looking for that money fairy, tooth fairy or a rainbow with a pot of gold.
With all the rain and thunderstorms - I thought I might see a rainbow!

 

[musicaljoke]

Japan wins virus fight by ignoring rulebook

I like this simple concept from the article: "Experts are also credited with creating an easy-to-understand message of avoiding what are called the “Three C’s” — closed spaces, crowded spaces and close-contact settings — rather than keeping away from others entirely."

 

[tresir2012]

It would seem that way. But the reality is not. Go back to work, quit or get fired. There is no middle ground here.

Work from home?
Where possible anyway.

 

[musicaljoke]

so true... i keep resheduling my colonoscopy, and it keeps getting postponed... the backup is going to be tremendous in coming months.

Uh, what backup are you referring to?

 

[tresir2012]

I like this simple concept from the article: "Experts are also credited with creating an easy-to-understand message of avoiding what are called the “Three C’s” — closed spaces, crowded spaces and close-contact settings — rather than keeping away from others entirely."

ITA, I think it is better that "Stay Alert" anyway.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Uh, what backup are you referring to?

Bahaha!

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I think we'll see a shift in how the workforce looks, in the UK definitely. All those older people (65, 66 and older) who draw a pension already but CHOOSE to work for reasons other than financial, will I think call it a day. I know I would, in their situation.

This means employers will lose valuable experience, but it also resolves the sensitive situation we have in some sectors where legally you cannot suggest someone should retire and the workforce is for want of a better way of saying it, backing up a little with less opportunities for younger workers. Far flung repercussions, IMO.

ETA not linked to any other backing up ref from previous posts!!

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Work from home?
Where possible anyway.

The sectors which will be most affected by this not being an option, will be retail, catering and transport.

Back office and support staff can work from home, but those at the "coalface" are in a difficult spot.

Many people at my work have asked to remain on furlough for allowable reasons, but when our furlough agreement ends, they are on their own really.

 

[Simply Southern]

Add to that that there are plenty of people who are not of retirement age, but are not particularly healthy. They still have to go to work. I haven't heard any plans to pay such people to sit at home so they can self-isolate. I've seen plenty of posts here saying that there is no need for healthy younger people to sit at home, as they can work. But how not so healthy younger people are going to sit at home if they have bills to pay?

Someone, posted the update ADA for Covid up thread. If you have a medical condition (on the CDC list) that puts you at risk it does have some protection.

Do you work in a job with risk of exposure (close to other employees, customers) that your employer won't or can't provide protection?

If so, there maybe, help under ADA.

Does your state have a retraining program or vocational rehab program? Sometimes retraining is covered especially due to medical conditions.

I know the Virginia Employment Commissioner has spoken at several of the recent pressers, to alert Virginia's they will soon have to start applying for jobs each week, lack of daycare will not be allowed once the school year ends, medical conditions will not be covered after 7/15 and if your employer recalls you and you don't return, unemployment will stop. The exclusions were for a short period of time, issued by the federal government and expire July 15th. Its frightening !!!

I wish the best for you !!! I'll keep racking my brain for any resources that might help.

 

[tresir2012]

NYC is not even in the top 20 of the world's busiest airports.

List of busiest airports by passenger traffic - Wikipedia

If you add the passenger numbers of Newark and JFK it is almost equal to the number one airport, Atlanta. That is without counting La Guardia, which I could not find on the list. Anyway including LaGuardia, (31 million passengers) I am sure New York is the number one area in the world for passengers, IMO.

ETA I was really surprised that Atlanta is the busiest airport by passenger numbers in the World.

 

[tresir2012]

The sectors which will be most affected by this not being an option, will be retail, catering and transport.

Back office and support staff can work from home, but those at the "coalface" are in a difficult spot.

Many people at my work have asked to remain on furlough for allowable reasons, but when our furlough agreement ends, they are on their own really.

Work outdoors? Market Stall instead of shop. Mobile Takeaway van. Those cycle thingies they have in London.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Work outdoors?

Even garden centres, have to for instance process a till transaction. Even with screens and PPE, not everyone will want to do that.

In catering I think table service will become the norm, with outside tables preferred but you know our summers! But the person taking and delivering the order, will be closer than recommended.

 

[10ofRods]

L.A. County may have had many silent carriers - 4% antibody rate found in study at USC.

 

[Simply Southern]

It would seem that way. But the reality is not. Go back to work, quit or get fired. There is no middle ground here.

You said it !!! Most all that have to work are faced with quit, live in fear/risk or be fired.

It will be a long, hard road for those working. Worrying about getting sick, bringing the virus home or face loss of career, homelessness or worse.

Having read your post since the beginning, I feel your stress and concern. Its so much to go through and no break from worry. I admire your strength and your preparedness!!! You have shared so many ways/tips; you and your made a plan, prepared and executed.

I'm rooting for ya!!!!

 

[epiphany]

Virginia was third place in the list of relocations of NY residents per travel tracking surveillance. Most headed to the Eastern part of the state, with beaches/larger cities. In rural SW VA we did see a rise in out of towners, mostly family, young adults returning home, and some friends.

Now is a good time to look around, if relocation is an option. I certainly don't want anyone to leave an area they love but, at the same time folks deserve to live in an environment they can enjoy. For those of us that don't have to work, can stay home, rural Virginia has gots some nice wide open space to breath and run your toes through the dirt.

It seems it will become even more untenable here once the second wave hits unless you are very wealthy.
It's already costing me a small fortune with the delivery fees, tips, price increases for basic food and supplies (when & if available mind you) and Uber or Lyft if I need to leave my apartment.

I examined my checking account & credit card statements, and although I knew it, I still got a good jolt. I don't even want to say what I've paid for paper towels and toilet paper, and my rent increase - relatively new lease falling smack in the middle of this pandemic: It was NYC outrageous!

I've rationalized that I want to be close to my adult children, but guess what - they can't control the behavior of those around them any more than I can. It's too risky for me. I'm on my own now.

I suppose the glass half full piece of me was hoping there would not be a second wave here, but that's obviously unlikely.

I feel defeated and still afraid and need to turn off the news.

 

[LadyL]

"The individual and their clients were wearing face coverings.
... the hairstylist had kept impeccable records that made contact tracing possible.

A hairstylist who worked while showing symptoms exposed 91 people to coronavirus

 

[dixiegirl1035]

https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...nference-full-22may2020.pdf?sfvrsn=fa158628_2

https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...nference-20th-may--2020.pdf?sfvrsn=d9e7a733_2

20th and 22nd WHO transcripts

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Vitamin D on the news
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•May 22, 2020

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