Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #69

[Simply Southern]

I think some are afraid that the complete statistics won't be available. That some areas statistics may get lost in the confusion, or may be set aside, and might not be entered into the database.

Eg:
"See, your death rates are drastically dropping, your new cases are subsiding, now is definitely the time to send your children back to school."

imo

I was initially very concerned an attempt to withhold information could occur.

After very little research and working in healthcare management I completely understand what is happening.

Hospitals have computer systems that track EVERYTHING, medication, employee time, supplies, lengthy of stay, cost per length of stay, the list is endless. I know, I lived this life.

It is much easier to use a software program that can be interfaced with a hospital system that is already capturing large amounts of data. Than to have an employee sit down everyday, look up the information CDC/HHS needs and hand enter it. The margin of error is greater.

So basically HHS partnered with the major software company to hospitals to create a program to captive the data directly from the hospital computer. Less chance of error, real time data and push a button and upload directly to HHS. Way more efficient. Hospital computers are very a custom to interfacing with Medicare to automatic and electronically file claims, as well as reporting deaths, outcome, ER information and tons of other data directly to government agencies.

All the data will be uploaded daily by hospitals, HHS will keep what they need and hopefully have a program to interface with CDC. This should increase reporting, as hospitals will be forced to report daily or risk shipments of PPE or drugs. Currently CDC is backlogged on reporting deaths, that's why state numbers NEVER match CDC. Currently hospitals report ALL data to the State, the State sends to CDC. Understanding the current process helps to understand how much better this process will work. Hospitals don't report deaths to CDC, but to Medicare and the State.

The media, in my opinion have misrepresenting the "project" and portrayed as censorship, when in fact it is a program to monitor hospitals on a faily basis to provide supplies, physical support,medication and PPE

That's what all the articles I posted outlined. The American Hospital Association is a creditable source and all hospitals are members.

The articles clearly state, stress and inform hospital to report daily information as NO special request for drugs, supplies or assistance with be provided without this reporting.

So clearly this is a tool for the national supply chain. It is NOT required by law, but clearly states of you don't send in your information, don't expect to receive support.

It's basically an inventory based program, number of beds, ventilators, PPE on hand and drug supplies.

It has nothing, zero impact on number of cases or deaths.

CDC website states they will clearly continue to report deaths, cases, etc.

Its amazing to me how the media either didn't understand the purpose, or didn't research purpose, much less what hospitals would be reporting.

Moo...

 

[branmuffin]

I can't take seriously anyone who compares mask advocates to Nazis. He should be shamed out of existence and happy to have never had to face actual Nazis.

Disgusting.

I can't wrap my head around how these people would have coped during WW2. My parents had nearly six years of limited food items, rations for meat, eggs, cheese and milk, no banana, no oranges, no national sports, black out regulations, gas restrictions, clothing restrictions. And identity cards. Even kids had them. I still have my dad's.

 

[COSCitizen]

It's just that surface transmission of CoVid is considered to be a minor vector. Businesses claiming (especially to vulnerable populations like elderly bingo players) that their business is "safe" need to add another sentence, IMO.

The instant humans come into the environment, if one of them is an active shedder of virus, the place is immediately contaminated. Lots of places are clean before the humans come in. There's been so much emphasis on disinfectants, wiping things, washing things - and while that's all stuff we can do, the long and the short of CoVid is that it replicates in the lungs (and perhaps other places) in the human body, is exhaled through breathing, speech, laughter, panting, singing and yelling.

So let's hope the bingo place also requires masks and has people sit at least 6 feet apart (but the fun of bingo for many is talking intimately to the people around, so...well, I just hope they do something besides disinfectant surfaces).

Early this week, my partner and I visited (outside in their front yard) a couple we have known for three or four decades. We've known them since we all lived in the same area back on the East Coast. About a year or so ago, we started playing contract bridge together twice a month. Of course, that stopped when Colorado went into Phase 1. The three adults in that household are all high-risk, so they have been very careful since late February. My partner and I are also high risk.

A month ago, we had tentatively texted back and forth about resuming the bridge games but hadn't set one up. However, after the end of a very pleasant visit, we regretfully decided that there was no way to safely resume the bridge games, though we will try to get together just to visit now unless Colorado goes back into shutdown. (Sitting three feet apart, with everyone wearing a mask, and using hand sanitizer after every round just doesn't sound like that much fun. The first COVID 19 fatality in Colorado Springs was a previously healthy senior who had attended a bridge club with lots of seniors right before she died.)

 

[tresir2012]

Early this week, my partner and I visited (outside in their front yard) a couple we have known for three or four decades. We've known them since we all lived in the same area back on the East Coast. About a year or so ago, we started playing contract bridge together twice a month. Of course, that stopped when Colorado went into Phase 1. The three adults in that household are all high-risk, so they have been very careful since late February. My partner and I are also high risk.

A month ago, we had tentatively texted back and forth about resuming the bridge games but hadn't set one up. However, after the end of a very pleasant visit, we regretfully decided that there was no way to safely resume the bridge games, though we will try to get together just to visit now unless Colorado goes back into shutdown. (Sitting three feet apart, with everyone wearing a mask, and using hand sanitizer after every round just doesn't sound like that much fun. The first COVID 19 fatality in Colorado Springs was a previously healthy senior who had attended a bridge club with lots of seniors right before she died.)

Could you play bridge online together? I know that it is not the same but just wondered.

I did a quick search and there seems to be a lot. This is just one site I pulled up but you could probably find a local one.

Bridge Club Live (BCL) - Online Bridge

 

[oviedo]

I'm predicting that the numbers will "fall" over the next 21 days.....now that Telemarketing or whatever they are called is involved.
JMO

 

[SA55]

I heard on the radio this am that NASCAR held a race-
Chase Elliott lands first NASCAR All-Star Race victory | NASCAR
Elliott’s win was hugely popular even to the limited number of fans who were allowed to attend the race in person, and they celebrated by showering the 24-year-old with cheers.
--
I heard on the radio it was 30,000 fans??? But haven't seen that number in MSM

Yes, unfortunately it was here where I live. Unbelievable. No official release on attendee numbers, but an estimate of 20K.

"Up to 30,000 fans were allowed to attend Wednesday night's race, NASCAR’s largest with spectators since the coronavirus pandemic shut down sports in March. Attendance figures were not released, but it appeared at least 20,000 spectators were socially distanced throughout the grandstands — making it the largest sporting event in the United States since winter."
NASCAR hosts largest sporting event crowd since pandemic

ETA I'm late to the game today, see several others posted and linked before I did. Just catching up

 

[Tadpole12]

Not yet. (re Dr. Campbell)

Yesterday he spoke of CDC estimates, and didn't touch on this info. I'm sure he will.

Let me know of any science stuff that speaks to such. It's being slammed by science on twitter though.

Florida: "there's going to be exponential growth in Florida for the next few weeks and large proportions of the population are going to become infected
And several percent of those will become critical ...
The case fatality rate will probably rise because the medical services will be overwhelmed...
The R0 could rise to 2 or 3" - Dr C

 

[JerseyGirl]

You'll have to wear a mask if you shop in these US stores

Target: The retailer announced today that it will require its customers to wear masks or face coverings in all of their stores starting on Aug. 1. People with underlying medical conditions and young children are exempt.

CVS: Starting Monday, pharmacy chain CVS will require all customers to wear face covering when entering any of their stores throughout the US.

Walmart: The nation's largest retailer will require customers at all of its US stores to wear masks beginning next week. Walmart said it will enforce the new policy by stationing "health ambassadors" near the entrance to remind shoppers of the requirement.

Kroger: Staring Wednesday, Kroger stores will require all customers in all locations to wear a face covering when shopping. The chain said customers who can not wear masks are encouraged "to consider an alternative option like a face shield or facial covering." Those who can't wear a mask or an alternative design, are encouraged to use pickup or delivery services.

Kohl's: Retail chain, Kohl's, announced yesterday that all customers will be required to wear face masks beginning on Monday.

Starbucks: The coffee chain last week said that it will require customers to wear facial coverings or masks in all 9,000 of its company-owned US stores. That policy began yesterday.

Best Buy: The retailer also announced this week that it will also require all shoppers coming into its approximately 1,000 stores to wear face masks.

Costco: The company was one of the first retailers to require shoppers to wear masks, enacting their policy back in May.

 

[MrX]

Its amazing to me how the media either didn't understand the purpose, or didn't research purpose, much less what hospitals would be reporting.

Moo...

Unfortunately there is quite a lot of this. I really want to believe that it's just a case of the change in the media landscape since news papers got decimated by the internet, but this particular case is hard to explain away as the result of staffing issues.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Another company? They remind me of the germ killer company claiming the same thing before the Trump rally at Dream City Church in Phoenix.

Yes, what MSM is showing are public relations and press releases that some companies are doing. Heck, even Moderna is the "panacea" now for just getting the hospitilization days down 3-4 days.. what was it.. 17 to 13 in a hospital, but no difference in the outcome and mortality? MOO And now... folks are clamoring thinking it's a godsend?

SMDH.

Keep in mind MOO that most of what is in MSM these days is merely companies saying it works.

Heck... EPA has many approved for this virus if they met the standard for another... it was reciprocal back in ?? February and March.

Soap and water can do the same damn thing MOO.

They approved all under a certain approval more than 4 months ago.

Make a solution of bleach and water.... good to go.

Soap and water... good to go on body...(psst, also hard surfaces)

MOO

 

[10ofRods]

My business partner and another attorney in my office both told me on Tuesday that this can’t be spread by kids. They said that’s proven by all the european countries whose schools have opened back up and yet it hasn’t spread d to the openings.

It all sounds wrong to me but I didn’t know if there was some study out?

Maybe they’re taking articles like the following and running with them (exaggerating):

School openings across globe suggest ways to keep coronavirus at bay, despite outbreaks

Is It Safe to Reopen Schools? These Countries Say Yes

There are lots of studies and I'm working on reviewing and compiling them just for my own understanding. The upshot is that it's clear that kids do transmit Coronavirus. However, they do not readily transmit to each other and in general, are not super-spreaders. By age 12, though, most kids are capable of doing a pretty good job of spreading CV in an enclosed space. By age 12, kids in contact sports or who are bused various places, are definitely transmitting to each other (but not at the rate of full grown adults).

30 kids in a room, with 10 of them silent transmitters of CoVid (easy to imagine), are certainly infectious to any adults in the room - and the room itself is probably infectious for at least a whole school day.

There are a bunch of unanswered questions, because we shut schools down early. But you can google CoVid Summer Camps and see that both kids and counselors have had (large) outbreaks. And schools in France, Italy and Israel (just off the top of my head) have seen outbreaks.

Kids are mostly infected by adults, IMO, but a couple of kids in a small apartment seem more than capable of spreading to the adults - we just don't have the contact tracing data to establish this point.

244 kids in Israel have CoVid after returning to school.

Some districts close after outbreaks but don't say how many children were involved. (US)

70 French students get CoVid after returning to school

The controversy over kids and CoVid centers around the fact that most of the time, it seems kids are getting it from infectious adults and not from each other. In fact, both France and Switzerland firmly believe that kids 12 and under cannot transmit to each other, whereas swab studies done in hospitals show that some kids under 12 have plenty of virus to shed. French and Swiss schools have smaller classroom size, generally have windows that open, have not met during late fall or winter, etc. The kids who've gotten it, they believe, got it from their teachers.

What is increasingly worrisome, though, is that even asymptomatic kids are exhibiting lung damage and heart wall damage. Kids without underlying conditions seem vulnerable to these things as well.

So we don't want kids to get it. But even if kids do not readily transmit to adults or to other children, how do we keep adults in schools from transmitting it kids and to each other? Presumably 20-40% of infected teachers and staff would be asymptomatic. But they'd infect a lot of kids (and their own classrooms).

Arizona coronavirus: Three teachers who shared a classroom got Covid-19. One of them died - CNN

(^warning, above link contains prominent picture involving fishing...)

The CDC has a page on CoVid deaths by age - children do die of CoVid, it's just proportionately way fewer. You can still find lots of articles published in February saying "no children have died in China or France" but that changed, and so naturally, parents are quite scared and concerned.

Study is needed to understand whether a bunch of children who are infectious and in a closed space are likely to infect others, as opposed to individual children infecting others in outdoor or well ventilated settings.

 

[Woodland]

My business partner and another attorney in my office both told me on Tuesday that this can’t be spread by kids. They said that’s proven by all the european countries whose schools have opened back up and yet it hasn’t spread d to the openings.

It all sounds wrong to me but I didn’t know if there was some study out?

Maybe they’re taking articles like the following and running with them (exaggerating):

School openings across globe suggest ways to keep coronavirus at bay, despite outbreaks

Is It Safe to Reopen Schools? These Countries Say Yes

Which trustworthy countries will have had time to do a meaningful study on reopening their schools? Has any trustworthy country had a school open longer than a few weeks?

 

[Tillicum]

It's just that surface transmission of CoVid is considered to be a minor vector. Businesses claiming (especially to vulnerable populations like elderly bingo players) that their business is "safe" need to add another sentence, IMO.

The instant humans come into the environment, if one of them is an active shedder of virus, the place is immediately contaminated. Lots of places are clean before the humans come in. There's been so much emphasis on disinfectants, wiping things, washing things - and while that's all stuff we can do, the long and the short of CoVid is that it replicates in the lungs (and perhaps other places) in the human body, is exhaled through breathing, speech, laughter, panting, singing and yelling.

So let's hope the bingo place also requires masks and has people sit at least 6 feet apart (but the fun of bingo for many is talking intimately to the people around, so...well, I just hope they do something besides disinfectant surfaces).

BBM They do according to the article and the video at link shows the measures they've taken. I personally wouldn't go there even if I did like bingo but I remember Dr Acton from Ohio Health explaining the swiss cheese affect. The more slices of 'prevention', the more holes are covered.

 

[Simply Southern]

Coronavirus hospital data removed from CDC website following Trump plan to reroute information

Following the Trump administration’s decision to reroute coronavirus hospital data first to the administration, instead of sending it to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, some data is no longer available on the CDC.gov website.

The information removed from the website is the hospital data that was reported to the CDC’s National Healthcare Safety Network, according to CDC spokesperson Kristen Nordlund.

The data includes...

• the current inpatient and intensive care unit bed occupancy
• Health care worker staffing
• Personal protective equipment supply status and availability

The information appeared on the National Healthcare Safety Network Covid-19 module page and the CDC’s Covid-19 data tracker.

The entire Covid 19 Tracker is voluntary, it is not a law and the detailed information is/was not available to the general public. Example , I couldn't look at my local hospital and see number of beds, ventilators, staff or PPE shortages, however I could look at the state VHHA site and see the total for the State. I don't see any hospital participation if their specific business information is released. Keep in mind this is all voluntary reporting.

The Covid 19 Tracker will still be used to track Nursing Homes and is mandated by CMS.

National Healthcare Safety Network COVID-19 Data Dashboard

White House to hospitals: Bypass CDC, report COVID-19 data directly to HHS


The American Hospital Association, meanwhile, has told its members to report the information to HHS as requested.

In a special bulletin, AHA "strongly" urged hospitals to review the new processes and "report the data to HHS as requested."

AHA noted that "HHS stressed in the announcement the importance of reporting the requested data on a daily basis to inform the Administration’s ongoing response to the pandemic, including the allocation of supplies, treatments and other resources.

"In addition, the agency notes it will no longer ask for one-time requests for data to aid in the distribution of remdesivir or any other treatments or supplies. This means that the daily reporting is the only mechanism used for the distribution calculations."

According to an HHS spokesperson, participation in the data sharing is voluntary for hospitals.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Here's how many NFL players have tested positive for coronavirus this offseason

With less than two weeks to go until NFL teams are scheduled to start training camp, the NFL Player's Association NFLP revealed that a total of 72 players have tested positive through July 10.

So far this offseason, at least seven teams have been identified as dealing with a positive test, including the Cowboys, Broncos, Steelers, Texans, 49ers, Buccaneers and Rams. Some of the biggest names that have tested positive include Ezekiel Elliott and Von Miller. Saints coach Sean Payton also tested positive this offseason,

With training camp right around the corner, the fact that the NFLPA has released the total coronavirus number could be viewed as somewhat notable, and that's because the Player's Association still hasn't come to an agreement with the NFL on what testing protocols will look like once camp starts. The NFLPA wants players to be tested daily while the NFL would prefer to see players tested every other day.

Unless the NFL plans on delaying the July 28 start of training camp, that's an issue that's going to have ironed out in the very near future. The NFL's 32 owners are scheduled to have a teleconference on Friday where they will likely be discussing the NFLPA's proposals and demands. Besides daily testing, the NFLPA also wants to see the league cancel all preseason games this year.

The Player's Association also wants to know how many positive tests would eventually lead the NFL to shutdown and cancel the season. On top of that, the NFLPA also wants players to have the option to sit out the season, which is something the NFL is reportedly planning to allow (You can read more about the NFLPA's demands by clicking here).

One other issue facing the league is that some teams are located in coronavirus hotspots that other teams don't have to deal with. According to the NFLPA's information, the Dolphins are currently located in the worst hotspot among NFL cities, while the Patriots are in a spot that hasn't really been hit.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

My business partner and another attorney in my office both told me on Tuesday that this can’t be spread by kids. They said that’s proven by all the european countries whose schools have opened back up and yet it hasn’t spread d to the openings.

It all sounds wrong to me but I didn’t know if there was some study out?

Maybe they’re taking articles like the following and running with them (exaggerating):

School openings across globe suggest ways to keep coronavirus at bay, despite outbreaks

Is It Safe to Reopen Schools? These Countries Say Yes

Oh, thank goodness. I thought that you got the information somewhere science based. Or MSM that children don't pass the virus.

Now that I hear that you are speaking of your partner and an atty that they told you that this can't be spread by kids.... and you are doubting therefore...

Understood where you are coming from.

 

[Tillicum]

Yes, what MSM is showing are public relations and press releases that some companies are doing. Heck, even Moderna is the "panacea" now for just getting the hospitilization days down 3-4 days.. what was it.. 17 to 13 in a hospital, but no difference in the outcome and mortality? MOO And now... folks are clamoring thinking it's a godsend?

SMDH.

Keep in mind MOO that most of what is in MSM these days is merely companies saying it works.

Heck... EPA has many approved for this virus if they met the standard for another... it was reciprocal back in ?? February and March.

Soap and water can do the same damn thing MOO.

They approved all under a certain approval more than 4 months ago.

Make a solution of bleach and water.... good to go.

Soap and water... good to go on body...(psst, also hard surfaces)

MOO

These are filters that clean the air. How can you do that with soap and water?

 

[SoCalDavidS]

As the NFL and the NFL Players Association continue to negotiate rules under which training camps may begin later this month and the regular season may begin in September, the union is trying to make sure its members are kept up to date on the presence of the coronavirus around the country and in their specific communities.

The 72 number is difficult to put into context, because not every player in the league, or even a very large number, has been tested. But estimating 32 traditional 90-man training camp rosters would give you a number of 2,880 total NFL players at the moment, which means the 72 represent 2.5% of the league's player population.

The NFLPA has made this information public on its website, which also provides players a market-by-market look at how the virus has been spreading in cities where camps are scheduled to open later this month. The map on the site is based on 14-day averages of new positive tests and currently shows Miami as the "hottest" virus spot among NFL markets, with 4,164 average daily cases over the past two weeks. Close behind are Los Angeles, Arizona and Dallas.

72 NFL players tested positive for coronavirus

 

[weepingangel]

Massachusetts casino patrons complying with mask requirements say state regulators

Massachusetts/more at link

While face masks have been the subject of consternation — and angry arguments — elsewhere, gamblers at Massachusetts casinos are apparently complying without complaint, state regulators said Thursday.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

Fun Facts: Major League Baseball is scheduled to start their 60 Game Season in 1 Week from today, all over the place.

NBA is scheduled to resume their season 2 Weeks from today, inside a "bubble" at Walt Disney World.

NHL is scheduled to start their Playoffs, 2 Weeks from Saturday, at 2 Canadian sites.