Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #70

[margarita25]

Texas:

Houston Chronicle:
Saturday coronavirus updates: Record number of ICU patients with COVID-19

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Texas restaurant installs entryway that will spray you with disinfectant

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With 4 in 5 Texans living in a "red zone," coronavirus hot spots are moving targets

 

[tabitha111]

I homeschooled my son up to college. I've probably posted this many times.. majored in Geography, minored in political science. I wrote his transcript and colleges clamor for homeschooled students..he's married now and runs his own business. My decision to do so was born of two things...he was being raised by a single parent so the odds were somewhat against him and I wanted to even those, and my high school years were a mess, bad crowd, bad grades, bad stuff...the military saved me. That alone was enough for me to decide to homeschool my son.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

I completely get that. I am suggesting collaboration and compromise between states in my prior post. The Federal Govt here cannot order states either, but the individual states are strategically working on solutions together.

All I hear is negativity to other's fairly successful approaches ... when our constitutions have many similarities. "That can't happen here". Yes, it can. With effort and compromise and encouragement and smart thinking. imo

Yes, we have a collaboration in the Northeast that worked pretty well in those early, awful months. No doubt it will resume when our numbers go up again.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Quoting as I can't like this enough. I've been impressed at how well all our leaders have been working together. It really hasn't become political, thank goodness.

It’s amazing what mature, intelligent leadership can accomplish. It helps if they have empathy as well.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

I live in a world where small businesses, employee and earn close to 85% of this states income.
80% of us are unable to make a living at this time.
Yet, I don't see our media telling our stories.
Just in this State of California, with nearly 40 million people, I don't see any media discussing our stories. Of which there are 10's of thousand stories, to say the least.
Where are these Covid-19 journalists?

I am so sorry you feel unheard. I can only imagine how hard this is, which is why it is so important for us to continue with masks and distancing so we can keep our businesses open and moving forward. I did some Googling, and I hope this helps. There are lots of stories about small business owners, in CA and elsewhere.
How could there not be? You are the lifeblood of our economy.

These business owners got a PPP loan. It may not be enough
Covid-19 Whiplash Jolts California’s Small Businesses
California small businesses need PPP, outreach to survive
San Diego County businesses defy second shutdown order; county strike force mobilizes

 

[margarita25]

Mississippi COVID-19 cases

“The number of COVID-19 cases in Mississippi continues to spike with the addition of 1,017 new cases on Saturday.

The new numbers bring the total to 41,846 COVID-19 cases.”

*COVID-19 related deaths: 1,346.

 

[CharlestonGal]

That's not going to happen in the US. The Federal government cannot order the States to do that.

No one is suggesting the feds order the states to do anything. What is suggested is that the feds lead by example and suggest that states follow the science. We are merely suggesting that the feds lead the way and encourage medically sound examples of and plans of science based recommendations for states to follow. Divisive federal and state mandates do nothing to unite the effort. They in fact promote divisive rhetoric that undermines national cohesion.

 

[margarita25]

CDC has updated it’s guidance.

Hmm, marking to look at this with clear eyes tomorrow.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

 

[SouthAussie]

CDC has updated it’s guidance.

Hmm, marking to look at this with clears eyes tomorrow.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Whoa ... seems that 14 days quarantine might not be the answer in some cases.

"In one case report, a person with mild illness provided specimens that yielded replication-competent virus for up to 18 days after symptom onset"

"... one of 48 infected (medical) staff had a nasopharyngeal swab which was weakly positive on a single-passage plaque assay more than 20 days after initial diagnosis; however, the specimen was not subjected to serial passage to demonstrate the presence of replication-competent virus "

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Whoa ... seems that 14 days quarantine might not be the answer in some cases.

"In one case report, a person with mild illness provided specimens that yielded replication-competent virus for up to 18 days after symptom onset"

"... one of 48 infected (medical) staff had a nasopharyngeal swab which was weakly positive on a single-passage plaque assay more than 20 days after initial diagnosis; however, the specimen was not subjected to serial passage to demonstrate the presence of replication-competent virus "

With a new virus there are many unknowns. We’re learning as we go.

 

[margarita25]

“Four former directors of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sharply criticized the Trump administration on Tuesday for undermining the federal health agency and casting doubt on its scientific guidelines in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic.

"As America begins the formidable task of getting our kids back to school and all of us back to work safely amid a pandemic that is only getting worse, public health experts face two opponents: covid-19, but also political leaders and others attempting to undermine the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention," wrote former CDC Directors Tom Frieden, Jeffrey Koplan, David Satcher and Richard Besser in an op-ed published Tuesday by The Washington Post.

"As the debate last week around reopening schools more safely showed, these repeated efforts to subvert sound public health guidelines introduce chaos and uncertainty while unnecessarily putting lives at risk."“

[...]

“"The four of us led the CDC over a period of more than 15 years, spanning Republican and Democratic administrations alike," they said. "We cannot recall over our collective tenure a single time when political pressure led to a change in the interpretation of scientific evidence."“

[...]

“Dan Scavino, the White House director of social media, posted a cartoon on Facebook Monday portraying Fauci as a faucet, flushing the U.S. economy down the drain.

"Sorry, Dr. Faucet!" Scavino wrote. "At least you know if I’m going to disagree with a colleague, such as yourself, it’s done publicly – and not cowardly, behind journalists with leaks."

Frieden, Koplan, Satcher and Besser said "sound science is being challenged by partisan potshots" that are "sowing confusion and mistrust at a time when the American people need leadership, expertise and clarity." Those attacks have led to an "unconscionable and dangerous" backlash against public health officials, they said.

In that context, they considered the "willful disregard for public health guidelines," which has led to a surge in infections, "unsurprising."

"Sadly, we are not even close to having the virus under control. Quite the opposite, in fact," they wrote.”

Coronavirus: Four ex-CDC heads say Trump White House undermines agency

 

[SouthAussie]

With a new virus there are many unknowns. We’re learning as we go.

Absolutely. We 14-day quarantine all over my country. Maybe it is not enough. Although in our hotel quarantines, initial swabbing and before-release swabbing are conducted to try to ensure the person is clear.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Absolutely. We 14-day quarantine all over my country. Maybe it is not enough. Although in our hotel quarantines, initial swabbing and before-release swabbing are conducted to try to ensure the person is clear.

14 days quarantine for exposure seems to be what most have been practicing. My employer requires those who test positive to have 2 negative tests before they can return to work.

 

[Tigerlily75]

That's not going to happen in the US. The Federal government cannot order the States to do that.

One doesn’t need to “order”, they just need to collaborate, educate, promote, follow agreed upon scientific guidelines that we know work, and work together towards the same common goal. No state here in Oz was “ordered” to close, nor to open, nor “ordered” to do a mask mandate etc, but when they did, they had federal support. They followed agreed upon guidelines. They put aside political differences.

That’s the national approach.

Our National Cabinet, made up of state and federal leaders (of all political parties) and state and federal health authorities, created a “roadmap to recovery” and each state is following it based on their current situation. For example, Tasmania has 0 current active cases and is in Stage Three of Recovery, while Victoria is experiencing a surge and is therefore in Stage Three of Restrictions.

Agreed upon guidelines, being followed, based on the states situation.

No “orders” made, and no constitutions broken.

Here is Tasmania’s Roadmap to Recovery for an example, (currently in Stage Three) Roadmap to Recovery | Coronavirus disease (COVID-19)

And Victoria’s Stage Three Restrictions Coronavirus (COVID-19) restrictions Victoria

And a poignant Statement from the Prime Minister, 17 July Our united states will get through this together | Prime Minister of Australia

 

[Tippy Lynn]

That’s why you learn to live with it. Makes good sense.

Speaking of learning to live with it, many businesses are doing just that. Companies that were planning to have more employees work from anywhere/remotely were forced to put those plans into action early. I know of several large companies who implemented their plans during mandated shutdowns who are not going back to the way it was before the shutdown.

 

[10ofRods]

What happens if there's never an effective treatment?

Are we going to never send kids to school? Keep business's closed for years?

Do you think anyone knows? To me, that's what we've been talking about here for many posts.

Scenario 1: Most people go out and get CoVid and either become immune or lose immunity after some period of time. Then they get it again. Is their chance of dying high

In this scenario, all the unemployed and bankrupt business owners go to work in long term care, phlebotomy, contact tracing, laboratory assistant, orderly and so forth.

Scenario 2: Many people stay isolated, in whatever way they can, and the above group continues to spread the virus, leaving many essential jobs open due to death. 3% of unshielded Americans die over a period of 18 months to 2 years . Maybe longer (see above for what jobs will be available in the meantime).

We don't know the number of "shielded" individuals (but wouldn't include children under 10 or adults who can shield themselves).

In either scenario, without a vaccine, we could be facing huge medical costs and many sick people and total isolation from the rest of the planet.

Scenario 3: We really shut down, we get new cases within the limits suggested by available contact tracing, we smother community transmission and we work together. We severely limit what's an "essential worker." For a month, each state lives on whatever it has in its own boundaries (with the Feds doing food drops like Hoover did - where necessary).

And I'm serious.

Obviously, it will be a 1 or 2.

 

[10ofRods]

There have been at least 45,118 cases of coronavirus in Wisconsin, according to a New York Times database. As of Saturday evening, at least 852 people had died. 5829 cases in the last 7 days.

So sad.

I'm sitting her gobsmacked by the figures in Orange County, California - about 500 new cases when they were doing well two months ago). Florida, of course, is heartbreaking. Texas has weird things going on - I hope all those infant cases are figured out.

WI has about 6M people - 5829 cases in last 7 days (probably mostly aged 25-49) is a lot. But WI still could get this under control with say a month of strict lockdown.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

I don't know if this has already been posted. But a pretty large study from South Korea weighing in on Child infection rates.

“In the heated debate over reopening schools, one burning question has been whether and how efficiently children can spread the virus to others. A large new study from South Korea offers an answer: Children younger than 10 transmit to others much less often than adults do, but the risk is not zero. And those between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults do. The findings suggest that as schools reopen, communities will see clusters of infection take root that include children of all ages, several experts cautioned. “I fear that there has been this sense that kids just won’t get infected or don’t get infected in the same way as adults and that, therefore, they’re almost like a bubbled population,” said Michael Osterholm, an infectious diseases expert at the University of Minnesota. “There will be transmission,” Dr. Osterholm said. “What we have to do is accept that now and include that in our plans.”

NYT: Older Children Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds

Link to actual study: Contact Tracing during Coronavirus Disease Outbreak, South Korea, 2020

 

[gngr~snap]

Texas:

Houston Chronicle:
Saturday coronavirus updates: Record number of ICU patients with COVID-19

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Texas restaurant installs entryway that will spray you with disinfectant

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With 4 in 5 Texans living in a "red zone," coronavirus hot spots are moving targets

The Texas Restaurants reminded me!
My husband went to Micro Center the other day.
(a computer supply and repair center)
They took his temp and sprayed him with some sort of disinfectant before he was allowed to enter the store. Good thing he was wearing a mask, because he said the woman didn't even warn him before she doused him!!!
I was like huh??
They should have signs up at the entrance or something!!!
Moo

 

[10ofRods]

My husband went to Micro Center the other day.
(a computer supply and repair center)
They took his temp and sprayed him with some sort of disinfectant before he was allowed to enter the store. Good thing he was wearing a mask, because he said the woman didn't even warm him before she doused him!!!
I was like huh??
They should have signs up at the entrance or something!!!
Moo

This is h0rrific and still keeps the silly narrative going (that it's mostly our skin and clothes and other surfaces that transmit the virus).

We need a nationwide public health education campaign, such that you can't play a game or watch a y0utube without seeing it.