Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #72

[Clair Louise]

Probably from (at least) one of the other 3 tenants in the 3 bedroom home they shared, I think. Maybe they were not wearing masks in the house either, as they were instructed to do? Because their relationship with another tenant there had reportedly 'soured'.


They were advised to wear face masks at home, a three bedroom house the couple shares with at least three other tenants. And they were required to self-isolate for at least 14 days.
Freire Interian and Gonzalez, who were released Thursday after posting bail, expressed disbelief over the misdemeanor charges. They speculated that the arrests were the result of a soured relationship with another tenant.
Florida pair arrested for breaking COVID-19 quarantine order

Nothing would sour an relationship with someone you shared with like them not being concerned how many people they were infecting.

 

[neesaki]

Vitamin D Myths 'D'-bunked

Yeah, this type of thing is what I kept coming across in my research via google. Which is why I asked 10 of rods for her links.

Nothing surprising, it’s typical of the FDA , AMA, et al to discredit anything they don’t like. They’d much rather us all be dependent on their prescription drugs. Is it a control issue with them? Nah, most likely big bucks. It seems that for the most part they have it in for anything natural or holistic. Anything other than Big Pharma they tend to discredit. I sometimes wonder if they don’t want people to be unhealthy.

My orthopedic physician is the one who recommended Vitamin D to me after a foot fracture. He said it’s hard to get too much. He made it clear that Vit. D is a necessary supplement, not only for the bones, but for the immune system in general. And described it as similar to a hormone versus a vitamin, aka, a pro hormone. Also recommends getting in the sun, within reason. I tend to agree with him. He’s a very reputable physician and a pretty smart guy, so I trust his information.

I feel very thankful to find a practitioner that actually thinks for himself, outside the bureaucratic box. Docs like that are few and far between these days. IMO
Thank you much for the link, MrX. It was enlightening.

 

[neesaki]

Yeah, this type of thing is what I kept coming across in my research via google. Which is why I asked 10 of rods for her links.

Nothing surprising, it’s typical of the FDA , AMA, et al to discredit anything they don’t like. They’d much rather us all be dependent on their prescription drugs. Is it a control issue with them? Nah, most likely big bucks. It seems that for the most part they have it in for anything natural or holistic. Anything other than Big Pharma they tend to discredit. I sometimes wonder if they don’t want people to be unhealthy.

My orthopedic physician is the one who recommended Vitamin D to me after a foot fracture. He said it’s hard to get too much. He made it clear that Vit. D is a necessary supplement, not only for the bones, but for the immune system in general. And described it as similar to a hormone versus a vitamin, aka, a pro hormone. Also recommends getting in the sun, within reason. I tend to agree with him. He’s a very reputable physician and a pretty smart guy, so I trust his information.

I feel very thankful to find a practitioner that actually thinks for himself, outside the bureaucratic box. Docs like that are few and far between these days. IMO
Thank you much for the link, MrX. It was enlightening.

FWIW, I found this about Vitamin D as a prohormone, just in case anyone’s interested.
Vitamin D | Endocrine Society

 

[MimosaMornings]

Houston’s paramedics told to assume everyone has COVID-19

 

[LadyL]

I don't know anyone who is living in fear. Taking sensible precautions is not living in fear IMO.

I feel like me and my husband are living in fear
for me there is a constant worry in the back of my mind
however I feel like we are comfortable in our fear - like it's the new normal

 

[beatrixpotter]

BBM: And that is the key. imo

There has never been a serious lockdown in the US. 6 weeks of sacrifice for the good of all. Get the R0 less than 1 everywhere. Containment, and suppression of the virus in all areas before opening back up again.

I have been WAITING for another lock down. I keep expecting it and yet it never comes. And yet our case count and body count goes up each day. I've known that's what we have to do. But my governor is a dingleberry. All my political leaders are basically. They have collectively stuck their heads in the sand and are refusing to face reality. They are waiting till it's a national emergency of overwhelmed hospitals and not even morgue trucks for the whole country.

I had no idea I lived in a nation of so many idiots. We are doing NOTHING. My governor's great contribution is to sue the mayor for trying to require masks. How can these leaders be so clueless and uneducated yet responsible for the lives and well being of so many?

 

[MimosaMornings]

How easy is it to get COVID-19? A Fort Bend hospital CEO explains how he thinks he got it

“A Houston-area hospital administrator says he too came down with coronavirus. Joe Freudenberger, 59, is CEO at OakBend Medical Center and says he got the virus from his son, who didn’t even know he had it.

“We had our traditional Sunday dinner that we have every Sunday with my family and he didn’t think he was COVID positive,” said Freudenberger. “Then a few days later he realized he might be when one of his colleagues wasn’t coming into work.”

His son had been going to work and wearing a mask, but Freudenberger says his son did go out to eat with a colleague. He says his son sat indoors and took his mask off to eat.

At Freudenberger’s Sunday night dinner, 4 out of the 6 people at the dinner table ended up testing positive. “

 

[Clair Louise]

I feel like me and my husband are living in fear
for me there is a constant worry in the back of my mind
however I feel like we are comfortable in our fear - like it's the new normal

I am sorry that you are living in fear. If you take the advised precautions you should feel reasonably confident that you will be ok. And I know that some people still get it, but it has been raging for six months and you are still ok. Keep doing what you are doing and you will be fine.

 

[10ofRods]

How easy is it to get COVID-19? A Fort Bend hospital CEO explains how he thinks he got it

“A Houston-area hospital administrator says he too came down with coronavirus. Joe Freudenberger, 59, is CEO at OakBend Medical Center and says he got the virus from his son, who didn’t even know he had it.

“We had our traditional Sunday dinner that we have every Sunday with my family and he didn’t think he was COVID positive,” said Freudenberger. “Then a few days later he realized he might be when one of his colleagues wasn’t coming into work.”

His son had been going to work and wearing a mask, but Freudenberger says his son did go out to eat with a colleague. He says his son sat indoors and took his mask off to eat.

At Freudenberger’s Sunday night dinner, 4 out of the 6 people at the dinner table ended up testing positive. “

This kind of story, combined with the lack of transmission at Mt Rushmore, makes me think that outdoor transmission is very rare. Dinners indoors - well, if one person has CoVid, after 45 minutes or so, everyone at the table is likely to have CoVId.

They say 6 minutes of unprotected speech at a distance of 3 feet is plenty to infect, and that 12 minutes as 6 feet is about the same. Anyway, these small events where people are relatively near, are probably talking and are certainly breathing...have yielded a lot of CoVid cases. Masks and goggles would reduce this risk. But it's hard to wear mask and goggles at dinner.

Tulsa Rally - indoors, and quite a bit of transmission.

Protests - mostly outdoors, semi-masked, not a great amount of transmission.

Ambulance workers who have to be next to a CoVid patient who needs various medical interventions - high transmission, probably inside the ambulance.

Anyway, I'm trying to think of any clear evidence that there's much outdoor transmission (baseball practice doesn't count because they spend quite a bit of time indoors together too).

Strip clubs = Covid.
Hiking on a trail = not as much Covid. + mask = even less CoVid?

 

[mickey2942]

The weirdest part of this disease are the "asymptomatic carriers" who don't even know that they have Covid-19.

I guess that people at the White House are tested every day when they go to work, with the "rapid result test". That is how they identified Kimberly Guilfoyle was positive, when she was going to the rally in South Dakota, and found out she had Covid.

 

[SouthAussie]

Houston’s paramedics told to assume everyone has COVID-19

This is a really good idea .... when considering how police officers and other emergency services workers have been avoiding direct blood and bodily fluid contact for a long time - due to the potential health risks for themselves.

Too many people could be covid positive in the US and not even know it.
If an ambo has to assist them during any kind of medical crisis or accident, best they be covid protected. imo

 

[SouthAussie]

This kind of story, combined with the lack of transmission at Mt Rushmore, makes me think that outdoor transmission is very rare. Dinners indoors - well, if one person has CoVid, after 45 minutes or so, everyone at the table is likely to have CoVId.

They say 6 minutes of unprotected speech at a distance of 3 feet is plenty to infect, and that 12 minutes as 6 feet is about the same. Anyway, these small events where people are relatively near, are probably talking and are certainly breathing...have yielded a lot of CoVid cases. Masks and goggles would reduce this risk. But it's hard to wear mask and goggles at dinner.

Tulsa Rally - indoors, and quite a bit of transmission.

Protests - mostly outdoors, semi-masked, not a great amount of transmission.

Ambulance workers who have to be next to a CoVid patient who needs various medical interventions - high transmission, probably inside the ambulance.

Anyway, I'm trying to think of any clear evidence that there's much outdoor transmission (baseball practice doesn't count because they spend quite a bit of time indoors together too).

Strip clubs = Covid.
Hiking on a trail = not as much Covid. + mask = even less CoVid?

During our lockdowns we have always been encouraged to do outside exercise, and just to stay very well socially distanced from others while doing it. Gyms, pools, and such were closed. But I would see small-but-distanced groups working out with a personal trainer at a local park during lockdown. And lots of people were out walking - more than usual - to get out of the house for a bit and stay healthy.

No good getting sedentary during lockdown ... it just leads to other ailments that could make us more vulnerable if the virus hit us.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

We're All on 5th Avenue, and so far, 152,000 of us have been Shot & Killed.

 

[neesaki]

I can’t get over the person I mentioned earlier who refuses to do business with anyone who requires him to wear a mask. What would you say to him?

“You refuse to wear a mask? Ok, you stand 20 feet away, and you hold your breath, meaning, you’re not allowed to say one single word. Hard to talk and hold your breathe isn’t it? BTW, You do realize this will be an extremely very brief transaction, right?”
Nah, if it were me, I’d just tell him to get lost. SMH

 

[Simply Southern]

July 30th update for IHME

Deaths 230,822 by Nov 1st

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

 

[neesaki]

This is a really good idea .... when considering how police officers and other emergency services workers have been avoiding direct blood and bodily fluid contact for a long time - due to the potential health risks for themselves.

Too many people could be covid positive in the US and not even know it.
If an ambo has to assist them during any kind of medical crisis or accident, best they be covid protected. imo

Just think of all the changes in the health care field since the HIV / AIDS virus. I remember back when, we started cleaning the exam rooms with bleach. You weren’t supposed to do mouth to mouth resuscitation without a CPR mask. Then the IV needles changed to having a sheath thing on them, much more difficult to work with, IMO. More masks, more gloves, more PPE. I’m so thankful I’m now out of that world.

 

[Clair Louise]

Just think of all the changes in the health care field since the HIV / AIDS virus. I remember back when, we started cleaning the exam rooms with bleach. You weren’t supposed to do mouth to mouth resuscitation without a CPR mask. Then the IV needles changed to having a sheath thing on them, much more difficult to work with, IMO. More masks, more gloves, more PPE. I’m so thankful I’m now out of that world.

Eh? You just did not reuse needles. Ordinary needles. What on earth was sheath on needles?

 

[neesaki]

Eh? You just did not reuse needles. Ordinary needles. What on earth was sheath on needles?

I used to do a lot of IV therapy, chemo, etc. Insert needle into vein, leave the catheter in the vein while withdrawing the needle then secure in place. The new IV needle contraption never made sense to me. It was to avoid accidentally being stuck with the needle, I think. Which also doesn’t make sense to me, because we always avoided being stuck with the needle anyway. It was after my time, maybe someone else can explain it.

ETA: No, never reused needles.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

July 30th update for IHME

Deaths 230,822 by Nov 1st

That's a fair estimate, but it's probably going to be revised significantly upwards, since we're experiencing exponential spread right now, and not really doing much to slow it down. I think 250,000 is a real likelihood.

This is the site I like to look at for projections:

COVID-19 Projections Using Machine Learning

 

[Tadpole12]

July 30th update for IHME

Deaths 230,822 by Nov 1st

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

Very interesting link, ty SS.

COVID-19 Estimation Updates