Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #73

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  • #81
I have friends in South Africa. They live in a wealthier part. Covid is out of control in South Africa

Good point. The wealthy folks in urban areas of Africa are not the ones that abide by TTT and directions. Hoping still it continues that the very poor areas that are used to following pandemic/epidemic directions do as well as they have to protect themselves. As we have seen in every country MOO, the *rich* part which is in major cities get hit first.
 
  • #82
Some random thoughts and questions:

@Mo Thuairim, could you please bring forward that article about Dr. Mike from your local paper you posted a while back about him being a warrior lol. And also, any other new features about him? Tia.
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Are all bleaches created equally?
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Something really gross happened to me:

I have these specific indoor shoes I wear. And yes we know floor to mouth transmission is rare, lol. But we do know dirty shoes track germs inside. I’ve also got doggie paws on the floor, which I go to great lengths to keep clean (as I mentioned previously, he too has to sit through the recommended “Happy Birthday” song while I wash his paws :D).

Anyway, I was so focused on grabbing my mask, poopy bags, keys, etc., that I forgot to change my indoor shoes when I went outside. And I walked all over places where others walk (@otto, did we ever learn more about concrete surfaces?), so basically, long story short, I came back in and walked around all over the house with these dirty shoes on for hours.o_O
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I mentioned I’ve dropped a lot of weight, 30 lbs. This is because I’ve been rationing, lost my appetite for the most part bc this is all so sickening (weird bc last year when I got some devastating news I drowned myself in ice cream), and have been broke because my entire new business went down the drain which I invested everything in the previous year, anyway:

Well I learned something: I always thought if you lose your weight at a reasonable rate, as I have, just a few pounds a week, that you wouldn’t gain it back as fast. Well, that doesn’t seem to be the case here lol. I got a nice paycheck and treated myself this week for the first time since all this went down to 1 frozen pizza, a few gourmet cheeses, some alcohol, and a bucket of chocolate ice cream. Well I swear I’ve gained at least half of that weight loss back in one week.
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Oh yeah, I also wanted to ask you guys:

How are you finding the supply quantities of certain things in your areas? Are you guys finding everything in the stores, or are you seeing any of the reductions that were seen in March, April, etc.? Toilet paper? Meat limits? Etc. I’m just wondering, as I’ve been watching supply chains closely in my area and am VERY focused on being prepared for winter and NOT having to “hit refresh on instacart for 8 hours a day to get a delivery slot”, or see the dreaded “out of stock”. It has taken SO much time and effort to track certain thing down. If online delivery via Walmart doesn’t have it, then I check Target, then I check Kroger, then I check instacart, you get the picture. Even in summer here where numbers are relatively controlled, I still can’t find things I’m looking for. Just wondering if any of you guys were having the same problem in any of your areas. Obviously this would vary based on your virus numbers.

Thankfully Amazon Prime with Whole Foods has turned out to be a blessing lately, and I give it the best marks to date. Sadly, I didn’t have it back then, but I remember @jjenny talking about it.
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The other day I was harassed about wearing a mask. I don’t want to go into details but basically it was some young people trying to intimidate me, threatening to come close and joking about it.
Here you go Margarita. These are all older features on Mike Ryan. Haven't seen anything new lately other than articles reporting on his regular updates about Covid.

Sligoman leads the fight against global spread of coronavirus - Ocean FM

Irishman leading WHO response to coronavirus outbreak optimistic

‘We’re in the middle of a war,’ says Irish coronavirus ‘general’

The World Health Organization's emergencies chief is put to the test
 
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(Omg thank you Mo T!!! :happydance:!)
 
  • #85
Children and staff at Georgia overnight camp test positive for coronavirus, CDC says

Among the children and staff who were tested for the virus, 260 came back positive, with 231 of them aged 17 or younger.

  • The camp did not require its more than 360 campers, who ranged in age from 6 to 19, to wear masks
Getting tested for COVID-19? Here’s what to ask at the doctor’s office
  • COVID-19 testing has changed since the corona virus outbreak began. Here's what you need to know before getting a test — and what to expect when you're there.
 
  • #86
It is significant that the cases and deaths in Africa are so low. Why is this? Do they not have adequate access to tests? Or are the numbers that low?

I think it's both. They do not have adequate testing, but also...there are regions where there are few international flights - and even fewer people traveling right now. To get to Sierra Leone, you'd probably have to fly through Cairo. The nearest big pump of CoVid would be Europe (Italy, early on, then of course Spain and France). AFAIK, none of those have direct flights to Freetown nor to Niger/Nigeria and other west African places. Central Africa is also not a place that many people go to. North Africa, Kenya and South Africa get the most international traffic.

Cruise ships do not go, often, to the west coast of Africa, either. South Africa, by contrast, has tons of contact with Europe (still has flights, I believe). People live more widely dispersed than they do in Europe or Asia or the Americas.

But the lack of testing is also a factor.
 
  • #87
Yeah getting in a brawl, either verbal or physical, with people who may have covid isn’t a good idea. I’ll take the high road (“this” time :p). (But when this pandemic is over, I’ll be happy to finish the conversation and tell you in more detail what I really think lol).

I will say this: they shut up real fast.

And that’s all I’m going to say about that.

Margs...stop...I have a Bunnings/Hammerbarn (umm...diy store in Aus) “sausage sizzle” from noon til 5 tomorrow, for my sons community kindy...the first one since Covid restrictions were lifted (We live in Perth, WA) and we have to have a “line marshall” to police social distancing and we don’t have to worry about masks or anything...but man...I’m hoping I don’t get that job :-/ But I have to do it cos I made a fundraising page (not a 🤬🤬🤬) and the only person who has donated to his lap-a-thon sponsorship is me!! :-(
 
  • #88
Margs...stop...I have a Bunnings/Hammerbarn (umm...diy store in Aus) “sausage sizzle” from noon til 5 tomorrow, for my sons community kindy...the first one since Covid restrictions were lifted (We live in Perth, WA) and we have to have a “line marshall” to police social distancing and we don’t have to worry about masks or anything...but man...I’m hoping I don’t get that job :-/ But I have to do it cos I made a fundraising page (not a ***) and the only person who has donated to his lap-a-thon sponsorship is me!! :-(

Replying to my post with a possibly slightly O/T but to explain the phenomenon that is an Aussie Bunnings sausage sizzle lol

Return date for Bunnings sausage sizzle
 
  • #89
Long, potentially boring post ahead - on the topic of federal labs.

As to why Federal Labs aren't much help in a pandemic (and the related question of why the military isn't able to perform testing), I can speak to the ones in NM, SD and WY (but the data on the others is similar).

These are not medical or biological labs. Coronavirus is made of RNA, and needs a machine called a PCR to detect it in a nasal or cheek swab.

The federal labs study things like major toxins, test military and civilian weapons (particularly components nuclear weapons, but also the effects of tear gas and other toxins). They study satellite imagery to try and detect banned nuclear activity around the globe, oversee radioactivity detection at the nuclear labs and in the nuclear weapons production sector, etc.

They use equipment like mass spectrometry to analyze all kinds of toxins and also, unusual elements of machinery found in military contexts. That's not a machine for studying RNA.

To train military personnel to work with PCR machines is quite the challenge. I teach a very low level class that eventually leads to the kind of training one needs to work in an actual lab and I would say that military students, while hard working and dedicated, are no more talented at understanding the complexities of DNA/RNA than anyone else - and it takes about 3 years to get a beginning position collecting biomaterials (keep in mind that the swabs themselves are toxic and sending through the mail would be a big problem).

The labs need to be near the subjects. I do believe AZ has used labs just outside its state, but there are big questions about how long swabs can be kept without analysis (it's more than 2 weeks for many Arizonans and it's the same elsewhere). If the swabs were sent by mail or by military transfer, the chain of custody would need to be very carefully set up (and that would be only if the federal labs would switch to being genetic/PCR labs - which they can't easily do, because their other research is too important).

PCR machines are cheap and the existing hospital and medical lab doctors and techs know how to use them - but we lack additional techs in the labs. Quest Diagnostics in California purchased more machines; every large hospital has some; many teaching hospitals and universities in California converted their PCR machines to process way more samples at a time - and that's what we need. We do not lack physical labs, but we would need a massive movement to get the technology for faster processing of tests out to every other state - and AFAIK, that's just not happening. The federal government could coordinate that.

But to have military or postal service doing "special delivery" of dangerous biological hazard material over state lines and long distances might require refrigerator trucks and specially trained personnel. It would be slow. Military airplanes would have to be specially commissioned for this and in many states, a military convoy would then be needed - all day, every day.

Can people run PCR machines, taught by rote, without any knowledge of how the machines are supposed to work? I don't think so, personally. We have reference labs, checking through various measures, to make sure other lab personnel are performing properly. That system would need to include federal labs too - and just getting certified as a biomedical lab takes time (and no, I would not want to see *any* steps skipped in this pandemic).

The military does have PCR machines and labs to do this work for its own personnel - but I'm not impressed with the speed and thoroughness with which they are doing the work to begin with.

Sorry for the long post, but my fieldtrips to Los Alamos, Sandia and other places were eye-opening. Our neighbor (Airforce) traveled the world inspecting our military's use of nuclear components and brought the samples back to NM for analysis. The labs I visited were almost exclusively devoted to testing various components of nuclear weapons, nuclear reactors, etc. Today, Los Alamos is also a major study site for the various mutations of CoVid, including analysis of the spike proteins that are wreaking so much havock in their bodies. We need them to do this work, not to have our nation's top scientists involved in trying to process nasal swabs from around the country (joining and training in the CIS side alone would be an enormous disruption to the national level work those labs do).

Los Alamos National Lab: National Security Science

These labs are also looking a tiny aspects of the human body and the human genome that relate to CoVid (tiny in size, not impact). Their PCR machines are hard at work trying to understand the walls of the human heart, for example. But there's no way that the average person in the military could walk in and start operating the machinery or calibrating machines daily. And I doubt that the labs want any computer bridges built that would transmit results to places like Quest, so that patients could receive them (another area in which most states are very slow - results can be known, but the patients don't know, because the CIS isn't working to capacity).

Lots to fix - but I don't see a large role for federal labs or the military. University hospitals can create very large capacity for testing - if they are funded.
 
  • #90
BBM:
Long, potentially boring post ahead - on the topic of federal labs.

As to why Federal Labs aren't much help in a pandemic (and the related question of why the military isn't able to perform testing), I can speak to the ones in NM, SD and WY (but the data on the others is similar).

These are not medical or biological labs. Coronavirus is made of RNA, and needs a machine called a PCR to detect it in a nasal or cheek swab.

The federal labs study things like major toxins, test military and civilian weapons (particularly components nuclear weapons, but also the effects of tear gas and other toxins). They study satellite imagery to try and detect banned nuclear activity around the globe, oversee radioactivity detection at the nuclear labs and in the nuclear weapons production sector, etc.

They use equipment like mass spectrometry to analyze all kinds of toxins and also, unusual elements of machinery found in military contexts. That's not a machine for studying RNA.

To train military personnel to work with PCR machines is quite the challenge. I teach a very low level class that eventually leads to the kind of training one needs to work in an actual lab and I would say that military students, while hard working and dedicated, are no more talented at understanding the complexities of DNA/RNA than anyone else - and it takes about 3 years to get a beginning position collecting biomaterials (keep in mind that the swabs themselves are toxic and sending through the mail would be a big problem).

The labs need to be near the subjects. I do believe AZ has used labs just outside its state, but there are big questions about how long swabs can be kept without analysis (it's more than 2 weeks for many Arizonans and it's the same elsewhere). If the swabs were sent by mail or by military transfer, the chain of custody would need to be very carefully set up (and that would be only if the federal labs would switch to being genetic/PCR labs - which they can't easily do, because their other research is too important).

PCR machines are cheap and the existing hospital and medical lab doctors and techs know how to use them - but we lack additional techs in the labs. Quest Diagnostics in California purchased more machines; every large hospital has some; many teaching hospitals and universities in California converted their PCR machines to process way more samples at a time - and that's what we need. We do not lack physical labs, but we would need a massive movement to get the technology for faster processing of tests out to every other state - and AFAIK, that's just not happening. The federal government could coordinate that.

But to have military or postal service doing "special delivery" of dangerous biological hazard material over state lines and long distances might require refrigerator trucks and specially trained personnel. It would be slow. Military airplanes would have to be specially commissioned for this and in many states, a military convoy would then be needed - all day, every day.

Can people run PCR machines, taught by rote, without any knowledge of how the machines are supposed to work? I don't think so, personally. We have reference labs, checking through various measures, to make sure other lab personnel are performing properly. That system would need to include federal labs too - and just getting certified as a biomedical lab takes time (and no, I would not want to see *any* steps skipped in this pandemic).

The military does have PCR machines and labs to do this work for its own personnel - but I'm not impressed with the speed and thoroughness with which they are doing the work to begin with.

Sorry for the long post, but my fieldtrips to Los Alamos, Sandia and other places were eye-opening. Our neighbor (Airforce) traveled the world inspecting our military's use of nuclear components and brought the samples back to NM for analysis. The labs I visited were almost exclusively devoted to testing various components of nuclear weapons, nuclear reactors, etc. Today, Los Alamos is also a major study site for the various mutations of CoVid, including analysis of the spike proteins that are wreaking so much havock in their bodies. We need them to do this work, not to have our nation's top scientists involved in trying to process nasal swabs from around the country (joining and training in the CIS side alone would be an enormous disruption to the national level work those labs do).

Los Alamos National Lab: National Security Science

These labs are also looking a tiny aspects of the human body and the human genome that relate to CoVid (tiny in size, not impact). Their PCR machines are hard at work trying to understand the walls of the human heart, for example. But there's no way that the average person in the military could walk in and start operating the machinery or calibrating machines daily. And I doubt that the labs want any computer bridges built that would transmit results to places like Quest, so that patients could receive them (another area in which most states are very slow - results can be known, but the patients don't know, because the CIS isn't working to capacity).

Lots to fix - but I don't see a large role for federal labs or the military. University hospitals can create very large capacity for testing - if they are funded.

(ROTF! :D)
 
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Children and staff at Georgia overnight camp test positive for coronavirus, CDC says

Among the children and staff who were tested for the virus, 260 came back positive, with 231 of them aged 17 or younger.

  • The camp did not require its more than 360 campers, who ranged in age from 6 to 19, to wear masks
Getting tested for COVID-19? Here’s what to ask at the doctor’s office
  • COVID-19 testing has changed since the corona virus outbreak began. Here's what you need to know before getting a test — and what to expect when you're there.
An overnight camp in a HOTSPOT - kids aged 10-17 - what could go wrong?
 
  • #93
Louisiana is really having a rough time.

Louisiana, in second COVID-19 wave worse than first, No. 1 per capita

A powerful resurgence of COVID-19 infections in Louisiana is hitting the state harder than its first wave in spring, making it the only state in the nation to experience two devastating spikes of the virus, an analysis of Johns Hopkins University data shows.
 
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  • #96
An overnight camp in a HOTSPOT - kids aged 10-17 - what could go wrong?
Plus it is an overnight camp with no masks, no social distancing, dozens of kids sleeping in one room, with singing and cheering and sports.
Functioning just the same as last summer.

Why do people send their kids?
Is this fair to kids?
What are the families going to do when their kid gets the positive result, shut the kid away in a bedroom and let them fend for themselves? Then you have the siblings.

If anyone can figure out why parents do this I'd like to know.
 
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  • #97
Early Saturday update from South Carolina:

DHEC reports 1,491 COVID-19 cases in SC, confirmed cases surpass 90,000

90,076 confirmed positive cases (+1,491)
Probable positive cases = 523

1,683 confirmed deaths (+35)

Probable deaths = 68

"Total Tests Received" - 766,492
Percent Positive - 18.5 %

SC Testing Data & Projections (COVID-19) | SCDHEC
thank you for keeping us posted. I lived in SC for 6 1/2 yrs, have so many friends and past colleagues there, SC definitely holds a special place in my heart.
 
  • #98
@margarita25 We have shortages on all things Lysol...the spray, the wipes, the generic store brands too and Clorox wipes. Impossible to get.
Yeast is back in stores so I was sure to buy more packs.
Walmart is just down the street, but I find myself ordering stuff from online rather than go in the store (not food stuff but household items like new pillows, bug spray, etc)
Its such a hassle to me to shop out there. I go once a week and take a complete "kit" with me...extra mask (I have had one slip off my face onto the store floor before), hand sanitizer, cart handle cover, wipes...then I am always on "high alert" when I navigate the aisles...I just want to get in and get my stuff and get out.
I heard through the grapevine that places like Target are starting to limit tp and paper towels again...that tells me that folks are over buying or that supply is not keeping up with demand once again. Do what you will with that advice, but I personally put one extra pack of each in my cart when I shop.
Otherwise, I don't see many other shortages here in my town....yet!
 
  • #99
My brother in Canada just drove from Edmonton to Mississauga, Ontario, because he didn't want to go by plane due to high risk, so he drove the 2250 miles over four days to get to a funeral in time, and he said that it was very sad to see the roadside restaurants and businesses boarded up, across four provinces, to see the devastation of Covid on the economy and how visible it was.

He will be attending a funeral (death not due to Covid), and as directed by the Bereavement Authority of Ontario the service is restricting attendance to 30% capacity, with face coverings required, and a record of attendance must be kept. Those of us who are not able to attend in person, will have live stream of the service. Only invited guests of the immediate family will be allowed to be there in person. We have decided to keep the numbers way below the allowable 30% of those who attend in person. Most of us who are at high risk will have live stream, as much as we want to be there to pay our respects and support other members of our family. For those of us who are in the U.S., there are exceptions to go across the border for such life events, however it is recommended that we continue to self-isolate and social distance.
 
  • #100
@margarita25 We have shortages on all things Lysol...the spray, the wipes, the generic store brands too and Clorox wipes. Impossible to get.
Yeast is back in stores so I was sure to buy more packs.
Walmart is just down the street, but I find myself ordering stuff from online rather than go in the store (not food stuff but household items like new pillows, bug spray, etc)
Its such a hassle to me to shop out there. I go once a week and take a complete "kit" with me...extra mask (I have had one slip off my face onto the store floor before), hand sanitizer, cart handle cover, wipes...then I am always on "high alert" when I navigate the aisles...I just want to get in and get my stuff and get out.
I heard through the grapevine that places like Target are starting to limit tp and paper towels again...that tells me that folks are over buying or that supply is not keeping up with demand once again. Do what you will with that advice, but I personally put one extra pack of each in my cart when I shop.
Otherwise, I don't see many other shortages here in my town....yet!
Where is this? I mean the area your talking about.
 
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