Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #78

[Deleted member 39678]

As states lift restaurant restrictions, CDC report links dining out to increased COVID-19 risk

“Those who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, "were approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant than were those with negative SARS-CoV-2 test results," the study authors wrote. And those who were diagnosed without any known exposure to the virus were more likely to report having visited a bar or coffee shop in the previous two weeks.”

Why do they lump going to a bar with going to a coffee shop? Seems like they are different environments.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

But, what is it harming?

False information is never good. JMO

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Yes - that's exactly what is happening! While tourism may be important in SD, real estate is sure to become the next big thing. Sadly, it will price the young people of SD out of the market, as migration has done so many places.

It's the bigger income, work-from-home people who are moving. Their jobs are portable, if they still have them.

True story: my cousin once bought an entire town, basically. He and his wife started investing in real estate on the SF peninsula back in around 1965. By 1995, they were millionaires. In the early 2000's, they wanted to retire and live near nature. This tiny town had put all of its commercial real estate up for sale, along with its city parks and lands (they really needed cash). The town was in the high foothills of the Sierra Nevada, forested, all of that. So they bought the town (turned management of the town and the rental properties over to others, gave all business owners renovation money and gentrification advice, were hailed as local heroes, found a huge house as nice as any mansion in SF - but for only about $600,000.) The public lands are now nature preserves, because the new owners (my cousins) wanted them in perpetuity for birds and other animals. They were rewarded by getting all kinds of critters wandering their own acreage.

Town is now thriving as a tourist community. So - it's not always bad to have the rich Californians move in - but not all towns want that.

Everyone I know who is talking about moving wants to head to Montana, Wyoming and Utah...maybe South Dakota will now get some real estate business - I have yet to see any ads, but am seeing plenty for Montana (that would be youtube ads and FB ads).

So, not Schitt’s Creek!

 

[10ofRods]

But to what purpose would economists have to inflate numbers? What is their point?

No one says they consciously inflated the numbers, but economists rarely use real world facts as the basis of their theories - their goal is to demonstrate potential economic impacts. In this case, it is the medical costs of CoVid, a perfectly valid research goal. Right? Who would not want to know the future costs of CoVId?

We all should want to know. And it can only be speculated - which is what economists do, with a limited number of known-to-exist variables. That's what they did.

Now, did they actually do any research as to how Sturgis came up with its 467,ooo number? Nope. But I sure tried to get a handle on it, as I am part of a group of anthropologists who were watching Sturgis from our own professional points of view. I emailed 10 campgrounds and got responses from 7. I wanted to know how long the typical Sturgis camper stays.

They all said similar things in response to brief queries. Which is that some people were in their camps for 30 days or even longer, encompassing and perhaps working at Sturgis. Weekends saw the campgrounds fill up for a 3-4 day period and then be more empty during the mid-week. Campgrounds were about half full the entire time 10 day period.

Then, I read about how Sturgis itself estimates its numbers. Let's just say that it's a poor method that inflates the number (they count the cars and bikes in 9 large parking lots and up and down main streets; smaller parking lots and parking on the periphery of town are estimated to be another 10% of that total). Then they count each car as 2 people and each bike as 1 person (something like that - the explanation at the end was a bit unclear).

So they don't count individual arrivals - they count a person each time they park in Sturgis. Many of the same people are there for several days. Sturgis of course wants to claim a high number (so it can lure back its failing advertising deals).

But the economists would never do this kind of work (and if I were going to publish any of this, I'd need to correspond way more with the Sturgis Chamber of Commerce, have some Zoom talks with them, etc). The economists took a proferred, known number (Sturgis estimate), did not try to find out how that was calculated or if it was inflated.

Their goal was to show what a number looks like when it goes through a several step, known-to-work statistical model about human economic behavior (how many other places those people would go, etc - the rest of the work was quite complex).

 

[Trino]

Interesting. I’ve seen several “come and visit Montana” commercials in the past few days. That’s new.

I have been seeing the “come and visit myrtle beach” ones all summer.

Have friends that are leaving Montana. They said the smoke is bad there.

 

[ilovewings]

JMO
Maybe this?

As states lift restaurant restrictions, CDC report links dining out to increased COVID-19 risk

“Those who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, "were approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant than were those with negative SARS-CoV-2 test results," the study authors wrote. And those who were diagnosed without any known exposure to the virus were more likely to report having visited a bar or coffee shop in the previous two weeks.”

Thank you for finding that link- i was disappointed that Stephanie Rule did not expand on the statement she made. I know i won't be dining in at any restaurant for quite a while: i miss it (as we all do)

 

[doublestop]

Agreed. I am not going to take "risk management" advice from someone who is 79 years old.

Even though he's an infectious disease expert? Whose advice do you accept?

 

[SoCalDavidS]

An Arizona state representative is scrambling to head off criticism after he compared coronavirus restrictions that require the wearing of protective masks to the tattooing of Holocaust victims by the Nazis.

Rep. John Fillmore, who is vice chairman of the state House’s Education Committee, spoke at a protest held on Monday in front of the State Capitol in Phoenix against ongoing coronavirus regulations, including the use of masks.

“It’s reminiscent of the 1930s in Germany, when people on their own bodies were tattooed,” Fillmore said of the mask requirement.

Local NBC affiliate Channel 12 News spoke to Fillmore, who sought to defend himself against criticism, saying, “Laws, rules and regulations will be started from fear, fanned by opportunists, which shall wrap us up in forced or mandatory vaccinations, lockdowns and drastic fear-laden draconian rules.”

“No government should ever have any right to, nor the ability to, say to its citizens they must ingest, take, inject or drink any serum into their own (or without parental consents their child’s) bodies or tattoo on their bodies as the Germans did in the Holocaust in the 1930s,” he added.

Arizona State Rep Criticized for Comparing COVID‐19 Mask Requirement to Tattooing of Holocaust Victims

 

[Clair Louise]

An Arizona state representative is scrambling to head off criticism after he compared coronavirus restrictions that require the wearing of protective masks to the tattooing of Holocaust victims by the Nazis.

Rep. John Fillmore, who is vice chairman of the state House’s Education Committee, spoke at a protest held on Monday in front of the State Capitol in Phoenix against ongoing coronavirus regulations, including the use of masks.

“It’s reminiscent of the 1930s in Germany, when people on their own bodies were tattooed,” Fillmore said of the mask requirement.

Local NBC affiliate Channel 12 News spoke to Fillmore, who sought to defend himself against criticism, saying, “Laws, rules and regulations will be started from fear, fanned by opportunists, which shall wrap us up in forced or mandatory vaccinations, lockdowns and drastic fear-laden draconian rules.”

“No government should ever have any right to, nor the ability to, say to its citizens they must ingest, take, inject or drink any serum into their own (or without parental consents their child’s) bodies or tattoo on their bodies as the Germans did in the Holocaust in the 1930s,” he added.

Arizona State Rep Criticized for Comparing COVID‐19 Mask Requirement to Tattooing of Holocaust Victims

Unbelievable.

 

[ilovewings]

An Arizona state representative is scrambling to head off criticism after he compared coronavirus restrictions that require the wearing of protective masks to the tattooing of Holocaust victims by the Nazis.

Rep. John Fillmore, who is vice chairman of the state House’s Education Committee, spoke at a protest held on Monday in front of the State Capitol in Phoenix against ongoing coronavirus regulations, including the use of masks.

“It’s reminiscent of the 1930s in Germany, when people on their own bodies were tattooed,” Fillmore said of the mask requirement.

Local NBC affiliate Channel 12 News spoke to Fillmore, who sought to defend himself against criticism, saying, “Laws, rules and regulations will be started from fear, fanned by opportunists, which shall wrap us up in forced or mandatory vaccinations, lockdowns and drastic fear-laden draconian rules.”

“No government should ever have any right to, nor the ability to, say to its citizens they must ingest, take, inject or drink any serum into their own (or without parental consents their child’s) bodies or tattoo on their bodies as the Germans did in the Holocaust in the 1930s,” he added.

Arizona State Rep Criticized for Comparing COVID‐19 Mask Requirement to Tattooing of Holocaust Victims

Hard to believe these words come from a state representative. What is going on in this country?? it is frightening

 

[MimosaMornings]

No one says they consciously inflated the numbers, but economists rarely use real world facts as the basis of their theories - their goal is to demonstrate potential economic impacts. In this case, it is the medical costs of CoVid, a perfectly valid research goal. Right? Who would not want to know the future costs of CoVId?

We all should want to know. And it can only be speculated - which is what economists do, with a limited number of known-to-exist variables. That's what they did.

Now, did they actually do any research as to how Sturgis came up with its 467,ooo number? Nope. But I sure tried to get a handle on it, as I am part of a group of anthropologists who were watching Sturgis from our own professional points of view. I emailed 10 campgrounds and got responses from 7. I wanted to know how long the typical Sturgis camper stays.

They all said similar things in response to brief queries. Which is that some people were in their camps for 30 days or even longer, encompassing and perhaps working at Sturgis. Weekends saw the campgrounds fill up for a 3-4 day period and then be more empty during the mid-week. Campgrounds were about half full the entire time 10 day period.

Then, I read about how Sturgis itself estimates its numbers. Let's just say that it's a poor method that inflates the number (they count the cars and bikes in 9 large parking lots and up and down main streets; smaller parking lots and parking on the periphery of town are estimated to be another 10% of that total). Then they count each car as 2 people and each bike as 1 person (something like that - the explanation at the end was a bit unclear).

So they don't count individual arrivals - they count a person each time they park in Sturgis. Many of the same people are there for several days. Sturgis of course wants to claim a high number (so it can lure back its failing advertising deals).

But the economists would never do this kind of work (and if I were going to publish any of this, I'd need to correspond way more with the Sturgis Chamber of Commerce, have some Zoom talks with them, etc). The economists took a proferred, known number (Sturgis estimate), did not try to find out how that was calculated or if it was inflated.

Their goal was to show what a number looks like when it goes through a several step, known-to-work statistical model about human economic behavior (how many other places those people would go, etc - the rest of the work was quite complex).

I think Buffalo Chip Campground has a lot of vendors on site with people staying there versus hotel rooms. Fifth wheels, motor homes, etc. They work the rally circuit.
(Vendors such Hot Leathers, LED Bike lighting, eyeware, etc)
So these people could be there for 20-30 days.
Glencoe Resort and Full Throttle Pappy Hoel Campground have on site vendors also.
JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

An Arizona state representative is scrambling to head off criticism after he compared coronavirus restrictions that require the wearing of protective masks to the tattooing of Holocaust victims by the Nazis.

Rep. John Fillmore, who is vice chairman of the state House’s Education Committee, spoke at a protest held on Monday in front of the State Capitol in Phoenix against ongoing coronavirus regulations, including the use of masks.

“It’s reminiscent of the 1930s in Germany, when people on their own bodies were tattooed,” Fillmore said of the mask requirement.

Local NBC affiliate Channel 12 News spoke to Fillmore, who sought to defend himself against criticism, saying, “Laws, rules and regulations will be started from fear, fanned by opportunists, which shall wrap us up in forced or mandatory vaccinations, lockdowns and drastic fear-laden draconian rules.”

“No government should ever have any right to, nor the ability to, say to its citizens they must ingest, take, inject or drink any serum into their own (or without parental consents their child’s) bodies or tattoo on their bodies as the Germans did in the Holocaust in the 1930s,” he added.

Arizona State Rep Criticized for Comparing COVID‐19 Mask Requirement to Tattooing of Holocaust Victims

I wonder if he noticed that a person can actually remove a mask when they get home. That it is not forceably inked into their skin.

 

[Clair Louise]

I think Buffalo Chip Campground has a lot of vendors on site with people staying there versus hotel rooms. Fifth wheels, motor homes, etc. They work the rally circuit.
(Vendors such Hot Leathers, LED Bike lighting, eyeware, etc)
So these people could be there for 20-30 days.
Glencoe Resort and Full Throttle Pappy Hoel Campground have on site vendors also.
JMO

I live in a tourist area and our authorities calculate how many visitors by occupancies both dwellings, hotels and camping grounds.

 

[Yvettea]

An Arizona state representative is scrambling to head off criticism after he compared coronavirus restrictions that require the wearing of protective masks to the tattooing of Holocaust victims by the Nazis.

Rep. John Fillmore, who is vice chairman of the state House’s Education Committee, spoke at a protest held on Monday in front of the State Capitol in Phoenix against ongoing coronavirus regulations, including the use of masks.

“It’s reminiscent of the 1930s in Germany, when people on their own bodies were tattooed,” Fillmore said of the mask requirement.

Local NBC affiliate Channel 12 News spoke to Fillmore, who sought to defend himself against criticism, saying, “Laws, rules and regulations will be started from fear, fanned by opportunists, which shall wrap us up in forced or mandatory vaccinations, lockdowns and drastic fear-laden draconian rules.”

“No government should ever have any right to, nor the ability to, say to its citizens they must ingest, take, inject or drink any serum into their own (or without parental consents their child’s) bodies or tattoo on their bodies as the Germans did in the Holocaust in the 1930s,” he added.

Arizona State Rep Criticized for Comparing COVID‐19 Mask Requirement to Tattooing of Holocaust Victims

I get his fear. I hear him. He’s astutely described his state of mind. IMO

 

[10ofRods]

I think Buffalo Chip Campground has a lot of vendors on site with people staying there versus hotel rooms. Fifth wheels, motor homes, etc. They work the rally circuit.
(Vendors such Hot Leathers, LED Bike lighting, eyeware, etc)
So these people could be there for 20-30 days.
Glencoe Resort and Full Throttle Pappy Hoel Campground have on site vendors also.
JMO

Yep, exactly. And go in during the daytime for breakfast, then back to camp (where there's dancing and music - outdoors) at night.

So way fewer total people than 450,000. And no way all of them were packed into bars. There were live webcams at several venues and only some were crowded.

There was an awful lot of outdoor activity as well.

 

[ilovewings]

It could be a herd immunity strategy ... one that will take some years to achieve without an effective vaccine in place. imo


Atlas joined the coronavirus taskforce in mid-August.

The radiologist and senior fellow at Stanford University’s conservative Hoover Institution has advocated against the use of masks and pushed the White House to adopt a controversial strategy, allowing young people to contract the coronavirus in hopes of achieving “herd immunity.” Atlas, who doesn’t have any training or background in infectious diseases, has appeared on Fox News to push for reopening schools and questioned the efficacy of masks.

“Many of his opinions and statements run counter to establish science, and, by doing so, undermine public-health authorities and the credible science that guides effective public health policy,” reads the letter addressed to colleagues on Wednesday.

Stanford Medical Faculty Lambaste Former Colleague

I have faith that the majority of Americans are wearing masks, maintaining social distance and doing things to avoid getting the virus. There obviously is a percentage of those who are not following those restrictions or guidelines, but i believe they are in the minority

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Not to mention which, it's obvious from the business name. If your business is a nightclub, you have the name 'nightclub' in your name. You don't call yourself a pub or a bar. That's how you advertise yourself and attract patrons who want to go to a nightclub.

Gotta say, regardless of what people in other countries think, BC voters are very supportive of their government actions and especially of the public health official who makes and announces all the decisions to prevent the spread of the virus.

'Four-in-five residents (83%) say the Horgan government’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic has been “good” B.C. Spotlight: Massive lead over opposition may make an election irresistible to the NDP, but risks lie ahead - Angus Reid Institute

Dr. Bonnie Henry is Most Trusted Public Official in British Columbia

In an age of COVID villains, an unlikely hero has emerged: B.C.'s Dr. Bonnie Henry | National Post

oh how i envy your trust. You go, Bonnie HEnry!!!

 

[musicaljoke]

I have faith that the majority of Americans are wearing masks, maintaining social distance and doing things to avoid getting the virus. There obviously is a percentage of those who are not following those restrictions or guidelines, but i believe they are in the minority

More and more people will follow the public health recommendations as they understand that the course of the pandemic depends on human behaviour, including their own behaviour. There are still some who believe that the virus spreads by some mysterious, unknowable way, and a few people are still saying, "What virus?" But like you say, they are in the minority.

 

[10ofRods]

It could be a herd immunity strategy ... one that will take some years to achieve without an effective vaccine in place. imo


Atlas joined the coronavirus taskforce in mid-August.

The radiologist and senior fellow at Stanford University’s conservative Hoover Institution has advocated against the use of masks and pushed the White House to adopt a controversial strategy, allowing young people to contract the coronavirus in hopes of achieving “herd immunity.” Atlas, who doesn’t have any training or background in infectious diseases, has appeared on Fox News to push for reopening schools and questioned the efficacy of masks.

“Many of his opinions and statements run counter to establish science, and, by doing so, undermine public-health authorities and the credible science that guides effective public health policy,” reads the letter addressed to colleagues on Wednesday.

Stanford Medical Faculty Lambaste Former Colleague

That guy will say anything for money (the Atlas guy - who is not an internist or a virologist or any sort of doctor who deals with viruses - he doesn't even do surgery).

 

[mickey2942]

NFL in uncharted territory as new season kicks off amid pandemic

This should be an interesting NFL season.