Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #78

[10ofRods]

I think that all interstate travel should be limited to necessary business only until a vaccine or an effective therapeutics is available. JMO

I totally agree. I keep shaking my head that the US of A was not able to mandate/arrange this. We did the opposite.

 

[MrX]

My interpretation is that people tend to stay longer at a casino, sometimes even losing track of time. That is less likely to happen in a restaurant even if one opts to sit at the bar in that restaurant.

And of course going to an indoor public place for an hour (example) gives you less exposure than going to an indoor public place for several hours (example), all other things being equal (ie adjusted for seating distances etc)
IMO MOO

But table games and slots are all open. In my decades of casino experience, the bar top machine is THE most socially distanced spot in town. Plus, companies have come out with self sanitizing dividers to go between bar seats. Maybe I'm verging on conspiracy territory, but I wonder if casinos are OK with this because it encourages people to pay for drinks. Service on the casino floor can be so slow that I've been tempted to smuggle in my own. When I sit at a bar top machine, it's like the bartender hooks me up to an IV Heineken drip.

 

[tresir2012]

One is for protection against the virus and the other is encouraging people to go to a hotspot, nothing to do with preventing the spread of the virus.

It is to subsidize the state's second biggest industry, according to the link quoted by OP. So people can still have some jobs and wages during a pandemic.

 

[SouthAussie]

In other words, we don't want to completely tank our travel industry. Good plan.

Despite the US relaxing the incoming international travel guidelines, the relaxation only makes people like me concerned about travelling there. I would like to see some responsibility on the part of the airlines/border control to ensure that people that I sit inside a plane(s) with for 28 hours are not infected.

It has always been bad enough hearing the bloke in front of me coughing and sneezing before - so I make sure I have a flu vac. Now they could be coughing and sneezing a deadly virus.

Geez ... it is going to be ages before I can get back there to see my family and friends.

You had discussed details of your trip. i really feel that the airline industry really does have a good handle on how to make travel safe and secure. As we open up more and more, I really do trust them.... I think so anyway!! Oh ...how that doubt can always sneak back in!

I don't trust them. They have already allowed covid positive people to fly 1 hour into my state from Victoria. Just spreading the virus around is what they seem to be doing. imo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Limit flights to business travel only?
Or just restrict people visiting other states via vehicle for vacation purposes?
I don’t know what that would do to the airline industry. I think the tourists are taking advantage of cheap fares and doing the traveling over the summer moreso than business travelers. JMO

That's the problem. Cheap fares causing unnecessary travel. The airlines are not making a profit with the low rates.

If the goal is to stop the spread of this virus then that should be curtailed. JMO

 

[MimosaMornings]

Interesting. I’ve seen several “come and visit Montana” commercials in the past few days. That’s new.

I have been seeing the “come and visit myrtle beach” ones all summer.

Our friends that live at MB said it was wall to wall people throughout the summer.

The Myrtle Beach Fall Bike Rally is scheduled for September 28-October 4.

Daytona Biketoberfest is scheduled for October 15-18 of this year. The fall rally is usually a smaller crowd than the spring rally.
Biketoberfest® 2020 | October 15-18, 2020 Daytona Beach, FL

 

[Yvettea]

The Most Common Pain Relief Drug in The World Induces Risky Behaviour, Study Suggests

"Acetaminophen seems to make people feel less negative emotion when they consider risky activities – they just don't feel as scared," says neuroscientist Baldwin Way from The Ohio State University.

"With nearly 25 percent of the population in the US taking acetaminophen each week, reduced risk perceptions and increased risk-taking could have important effects on society."

"Perhaps someone with mild COVID-19 symptoms may not think it is as risky to leave their house and meet with people if they're taking acetaminophen," Way says.

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Interesting study! Could explain a few things.

 

[tresir2012]

You might be misunderstanding the article. It seems that bars are being blamed because contact tracing is finding them to be the source. But Jeff Guignard, who is not involved with the Provincial Office of Health, is pointing the finger at beach gatherings.

From the article you are referencing, it doesn't appear to be the case that the Medical Officer of Health is closing down the wrong source.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...e-order-nightclubs-banquet-halls-bc-1.5716742

Sounds pretty arbitrary - either not thought out or deliberately targeting certain businesses, regardless of safety.

Is that the case in the UK, or are you referring to the situation in BC? Do you have a link?

If you follow the arrows back, you will see I am commenting on @MrX link and a VI response, which doesn't require a link.

Do you have any evidence that this is true or is this an opinion? Because the research seems to say the opposite (and has for several months).

That being said, the UK has had some of the most crowded beach scenes I've seen on record during this pandemic, so perhaps there is local data/contact tracing that shows beach transmission? I think everyone worries about outdoor transmission, but the higher the humidity, the faster CoVid goes to ground, plus the UV kills CoVid - so beach transmission, so far, does not seem nearly as probable as indoor venues of almost any kind.

Anyway, the links posted here and a review of the literature seems to say you are not correct on this one. Would be good to have a source as it's a claim that runs counter to what most doctors and scientists believe.

Sorry, but I find your words to be a very confusing post. Guess I don't know what Mr X and a VI has to do with it...

The Banquet Halls and bars are being blamed when it appears to be the beach gatherings and congregating at fault.

I feel the opposite of what you say is true---lots of beaches are very well monitored now
...so can you help clarify?? Are you just being facetious??

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...e-order-nightclubs-banquet-halls-bc-1.5716742

Several of you have queried my post and asked for a link which was in the post by MrX shown above. ( also added below due to glitch with multiquote) Below is a copy pasta from that link that referred to gatherings and beaches, hence the comment in my post. When you reply to a post it is often a good idea to follow the arrows back in order to get the gist of the subject rather than asking if a poster is being facetious IMO. I have spent time doing that and quoting all the subject posts above.

"He blamed the spike in infections on people who think the rules don't apply to them, referencing recent media coverage of drum circles at the beach and dance parties on Vancouver's Granville Street.

(For beach picture see actual link in first post above)

A crowd gathers at a drum circle on Vancouver's Third Beach in late July. (Ryan Schaap)

"They're not coming into our establishments, or if they are, they're not lasting very long because we kick them out," said Guignard. "

ETA sorry for some reason the other posts are not showing up . They are in my post when I edit it so I will just add the original link below and report my post. You can still do the back arrow to follow back though also.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...e-order-nightclubs-banquet-halls-bc-1.5716742

 

[Sundog]

Fight on Canadian plane over child refusing to wear mask cancels flight

 

[musicaljoke]

"He blamed the spike in infections on people who think the rules don't apply to them, referencing recent media coverage of drum circles at the beach and dance parties on Vancouver's Granville Street.

(For beach picture see actual link in first post above)

A crowd gathers at a drum circle on Vancouver's Third Beach in late July. (Ryan Schaap)

"They're not coming into our establishments, or if they are, they're not lasting very long because we kick them out," said Guignard. "

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...e-order-nightclubs-banquet-halls-bc-1.5716742

Awh, yes, but "he" is not the Medical Officer of Health who traced the cases to bars.

It's like this: if the Medical Officer of Health is "Mom" and "he" is one of the kids.

Mom says, "You did it. I saw you."
He says, "Not me. She did it!" (points to sister)

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Fight on Canadian plane over child refusing to wear mask cancels flight

I read this earlier and it reminded me of something I heard, that people are deliberately taking big bags of crisps etc on board and eating them slowly. And so not wearing the masks. How true this is, I cannot verify.

I did wonder tho why the little girl in this story was needing to snack before take off. It may have been just to settle her down I suppose.

 

[CSIDreamer]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...spreading-event-linked-to-covid-19-cases/amp/

This is a rebuttal against a bunch of economists claiming Sturgis was a super spreader event.

 

[mickey2942]

At 79, he is high risk, so I would think most people in that age group would probably not want to eat out or fly in an airplane, if they could avoid it.

Agreed. I am not going to take "risk management" advice from someone who is 79 years old. Covid is bad. Yes, we "get" that. Meanwhile, some people still need to travel, go to work, eat out. We can't all live in a bubble.

I am cautious, but we have to adapt to our new "normal". That is the way it is now. Resilience is going to be the key element now for people being able to function in our society.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Seriously? I admit to getting tired of "experts" who prattle off opinions, without actual data to back up their so called "knowledge". This is not meant to downplay the risk. No offense meant to you, @Trino.

I read the article about Covid transmission, community spread in Wuhan, via A/C in a restaurant, which was backed with actual data. COVID-19 Outbreak Associated with Air Conditioning in Restaurant, Guangzhou, China, 2020

Not "opinion". Although, I don't see how this study, can be generalized to ALL restaurants. And that a blanket statement is made by an "expert" that "No one over age 50 should eat out.".

No one "needs" to eat out at a restaurant, granted, that is a "luxury". But it is something people like to do. I am just endlessly worn out on every single thing being a horrific health risk, for someone over age 50.

My husband and I went out to lunch a few weeks ago, and it was fun. We sat outside, on a patio, our server wore a mask, no one was within 20 feet of us. Finally, something "normal", in a time when almost nothing is "normal" any longer. I guess that this goes to, I am done living my life hidden in our house forever.

Isn’t this just advice, though? Advice is advice - take it or leave it. It’s not a mandate, nor is it advice directly from the CDC.

 

[Sundog]

It is to subsidize the state's second biggest industry, according to the link quoted by OP. So people can still have some jobs and wages during a pandemic.

The Department of Treasury allows great latitude for the states regarding CARES Act funds. One area that is stressed, as you note, is funding for economic recovery support due to impact of COVID-19. These could be grants to small business, and in the case of the Governor of South Dakota, economic development/recovery related to the state's second largest industry which is tourism. I don't see that this is unethical or illegitimate use of funds, according to the CARES Act criteria. In this case, it would be like a grant to small businesses, but in this case, a grant to a small state.

 

[tresir2012]

Awh, yes, but "he" is not the Medical Officer of Health who traced the cases to bars.

It's like this: if the Medical Officer of Health is "Mom" and "he" is one of the kids.

Mom says, "You did it. I saw you."
He says, "Not me. She did it!" (points to sister)

Yeah but I look at that Vancouver beach drum party and I believe the "kid".

So I have a theory we are all going to get shut down again so we go stir crazy for the vaccine in October and November. I guess you have all heard of BoJo's "Rule of 6" and "moonshot" right?
MOO

Runs off to find link to add.

Coronavirus: Evening update

 

[Sundog]

Agreed. I am not going to take "risk management" advice from someone who is 79 years old. Covid is bad. Yes, we "get" that. Meanwhile, some people still need to travel, go to work, eat out. We can't all live in a bubble.

I am cautious, but we have to adapt to our new "normal". That is the way it is now. Resilience is going to be the key element now for people being able to function in our society.

I agree, everyone needs to assess their own risk and make decisions, accordingly. Over 65 is the risk group that I place myself in, so I make decisions differently than my next door neighbors who are in their thirties with three young children.

 

[SouthAussie]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...spreading-event-linked-to-covid-19-cases/amp/

This is a rebuttal against a bunch of economists claiming Sturgis was a super spreader event.

So, are people really thinking that 450,000 (or whatever) people can roll up to a town on their Harleys, drink together, crowd in to watch bands together, and not super-spread the virus when they return to their home states?

And yet much smaller weddings - for much shorter time periods - at different venues have been contact traced to 100 and more covid cases (as per weepingangel's links).

It just doesn't seem logical to me.

 

[tresir2012]

The Department of Treasury allows great latitude for the states regarding CARES Act funds. One area that is stressed, as you note, is funding for economic recovery support due to impact of COVID-19. These could be grants to small business, and in the case of the Governor of South Dakota, economic development/recovery related to the state's second largest industry which is tourism. I don't see that this is unethical or illegitimate use of funds, according to the CARES Act criteria. In this case, it would be like a grant to small businesses, but in this case, a grant to a small state.

Exactly. I don't think they would be broadcasting it if it were corrupt or illegal as some believe. States are trying to keep their economy from dying, that is all.

 

[SouthAussie]

I agree, everyone needs to assess their own risk and make decisions, accordingly. Over 65 is the risk group that I place myself in, so I make decisions differently than my next door neighbors who are in their thirties with three young children.

I don't think anyone has much choice other than what you are saying.

Covid seems to be everywhere there. Every single thing that you do has a certain risk attached. Some people are dying from that risk. Some people are becoming unwell from that risk. Others are sailing through. There is no certainty. So you spin the wheel of what is important to you, and go and do it.

IMO