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Iowa news today: As of 10:00-11:00 a.m. today, we had 819 new confirmed cases for a total of 71,956 confirmed cases of which 51,640 had recovered (+703). 20 more had passed away for a total of 1,205. Sept. 10: 819 new COVID-19 cases in Iowa, 20 more deaths in the last 24 hours
Iowa COVID-19 Information
UIHC doctors tell concerned professors local spike is over but risk remains
Reynolds says she is committed to working with DMPS
Iowa City schools to request another waiver to continue online-only learning
 
  • #202
Perhaps a total ban on alcohol sales at all establishments would be the answer. Otherwise nightclubs could offer food and avoid some of the restrictions. JMO
I think that's too extreme in the other direction.

The problem is the lack of social distancing. If people could get drunk ad party madly while staying 6 feet apart from strangers and wearing masks so they don't spray droplets all around, all would be well.
 
  • #203
No, it's not arbitrary. Nightclubs don't offer any form of food service. When have you ever gotten something to eat at a club? Also they play extremely loud music and are places where people (guests or strippers) dance. When have you ever sat and had a normal quiet conversation with someone in a nightclub?

Pubs/bars/restaurants all serve food, and at this time cannot offer live music, or any kind of dance floor. They must turn down the TV so that people can still talk to each other.

Banquet halls are a problem because they host weddings and other large parties where people don't want to social distance.

Too many people visiting nightclubs and banquet halls have been flouting the rules and outbreaks have been repeatedly traced back to them. Even if they try to implement the rules, drunk customers ignore them and the venue cannot control these people.

Video shows partiers breaking COVID-19 rules at Vancouver nightclub
Banquet halls in B.C. want the government to shut them down

ETA: all these venues must apply for licenses to serve liquor, the government can legitimately decide who does and who does not get a public liquor license to sell alcohol, and set conditions for how that venue will operate.

It's arbitrary because BC does not have a statutory definition of "nightclub." Enforcement will be at the whim of the individual assigned to a given area. Banquet halls aren't all closed - just the ones that maybe aren't as "connected" as those that are attached to golf courses or yacht clubs. I just wish there was more intellectual honesty in play. People who can't drink at whatever venue is deemed a "nightclub," will drink next door at a "bar" or "restaurant." People who can't congregate at Ed's Family Banquet Hall will gather in the Platinum Ballroom at Bushwood Country Club. The whole thing is a meaningless gesture made so the authorities can justify their existence, in my opinion.
 
  • #204
I think that's too extreme in the other direction.

The problem is the lack of social distancing. If people could get drunk ad party madly while staying 6 feet apart from strangers and wearing masks so they don't spray droplets all around, all would be well.
But like you said people get drunk and ignore the social distancing rules with the venues unable to control them.

Maybe extreme measures are needed. JMO
 
  • #205
Is that the case in the UK, or are you referring to the situation in BC? Do you have a link?
If you follow the arrows back, you will see I am commenting on @MrX link and a VI response, which doesn't require a link.
 
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dbm
 
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The group tracked a sample of items to monitor their price and availability. Among the price changes the group said it observed were:

  • A pack of 50 disposable face masks increased by 1,000 per cent;
  • Dial liquid antibacterial hand soap increased by 470 per cent;
  • A pack of 100 disposable hand gloves increased by 336 per cent;
  • A pack of eight 1,000-sheet toilet paper rolls increased by 528 per cent;
  • A pack of eight Brawny paper towels increased by 303 per cent;
  • A five-pound bag of unbleached flour increased by 425 per cent.

Amazon accused of price gouging on essential items in early days of pandemic
 
  • #208
Perhaps a total ban on alcohol sales at all establishments would be the answer. Otherwise nightclubs could offer food and avoid some of the restrictions. JMO

IN our little town, we had 4 bars--no food, but cigarettes allowed. Now, all 4 bars have started serving some sort of food, so they can be open. I know that sales of two of the largest ones are back up to 80% revenues. One is still flat because too small to allow social distancing and people at the same time!!! ha ha.
 
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Mostly a double post, so edited.

In re: the 250,000 Sturgis-related cases?

I think the figures are theoretical - but suggestive, especially when looking at the real time data from states where there have been CoVid upswings.

The authors did not take into account prior positivity rates in those populations, for starters (therefore perhaps over-estimating just a tad).
I think how they worked it out was they saw a 19.6% increase in Meade County so then calculated around 20% of the increases in the total US cases for the month, which was around 20% of 1.25 million cases, which then equalled 250k cases. That's how it looked to me anyway, so not particularly accurate IMO.
 
  • #210
Found it!

B.C. to shut down nightclubs, banquet halls; limit late-night alcohol sales at bars - Victoria News

"As to what qualifies as a nightclub, she said it would be those establishments whose “sole purpose is entertainment and liquor service.”"

That sounds like a nightmare to enforce - seems like very definition of "arbitrary," as it is decided by a person, or persons, rather than statute. But, if it works for them...

thanks for finding that
it was bugging me lol
 
  • #211
Perhaps a total ban on alcohol sales at all establishments would be the answer. Otherwise nightclubs could offer food and avoid some of the restrictions. JMO
In Louisiana, it depends how much revenue is derived from food sales to be labeled a restaurant. An establishment can’t offer a bag of chips or nachos type food and remain open.
 
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Coronavirus may dice heart muscle fibers into tiny pieces | Live Science

The new coronavirus seems to slice heart muscle fibers into small, precisely sized fragments — at least when it infects heart cells in a lab dish, a new study reveals.

This snipping of muscle fibers, which could permanently damage heart cells, is scary enough in a lab dish; but the researchers found evidence that a similar process could be happening in the hearts of COVID-19 patients as well. However, the new finding, which was published to the preprint database bioRXiv on Aug. 25, has not yet been published in a peer-reviewed journal, or proven to happen in people.

wowwwww
frightening
 
  • #214
South Dakota governor Kristi Noem has dismissed a report that the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally last month was a Covid-19 “super-spreader” event, calling the study “grossly misleading.”

A 63-page report from the IZA Institute of Labor Economics published earlier this month that the rally led to an increase in cases in South Dakota and across the county, while generating associated “public health costs of approximately $12.2 billion.”

“This report isn’t science; it’s fiction,” Noem said in statement. “Under the guise of academic research, this report is nothing short of an attack on those who exercised their personal freedom to attend Sturgis.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/sep/10/donald-trump-bob-woodward-coronavirus-covid-19-joe-biden-live-updates

LOL I have more faith in their stats then her
 
  • #215
The article says that other countries are buying a generic version of remdesivir - presumably from another supplier(s).

I don't know about other countries, but in Australia generic brands of medications are less expensive while still providing the same ingredients. We almost always get a choice of generic or prescribed version when we take a script in to be filled.
When you read the labels, the ingredients are exactly the same.
I read an article that said Gilead still had the licence for it so could pretty much ask what they want. They worked out hospitals were saving 5 days costs of about $12,000 by using it so they figured that was the price they could charge. I'll find the link and post it.

An Open Letter from Daniel O’Day, Chairman & CEO, Gilead Sciences

You are right about a generic brand though. Gilead have approved some manufacturers in India who produce it cheaper. $53 per vial instead of $390.

Remdesivir treatment gains popularity in India, black marketing and price cuts to continue: GlobalData - Express Pharma
 
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Scientists question ‘strange’ data in Russian coronavirus vaccine trial after 'unlikely' patterns

In an open letter to the editor of The Lancet medical journal, in which Russia's Gamaleya Research Institute of Epidemiology and Microbiology published early-stage trial results of its coronavirus vaccine last Friday, a group of scientists said the data was incomplete and had shown some "unlikely patterns", showed that groups of participants had reported identical antibody levels at different points in the study. There are 27 signatories of the letter so far — predominantly scientists based in Europe but also including several in the U.S. and Asia.

"There are several data patterns which appear repeatedly for the reported experiments. On the ground of simple probabilistic evaluations the fact of observing so many data points preserved among different experiments is highly unlikely."

The scientists were also concerned at the lack of original numerical data presented in The Lancet, saying that "no conclusions can be definitively drawn on the reliability of the data presented, especially regarding the apparent duplications detected."

"While potentially of great interest, the research described in the article published by Lancet presents several different points of concern," said Enrico Bucci, a professor at Temple University. Bucci was also one of the original authors and signatories of the open letter to the editor of The Lancet.

Explaining his and his fellow signatories' concerns, Bucci said that "as a group of scientists, we think that the data published are far from complete."

i wanted to re-read this article. It is really scary stuff.... Just think if we get waves of "bad vaccine stuff" going around the world, and all we get is "data published are far from complete".

Were all those vaccine makers who signed the pledge, told that they would get $$$$ fines if they violated said pledge????

Vaccine makers pledge any Covid-19 vaccine will be safe - CNN
 
  • #217
Is what she's doing even legal?

Probably not - but as @SoCalDavidS points out, probably doesn't matter until after the money is gone.

The money is federal, it would take federal oversight to determine whether she's following intended policies and guidelines (she's not, but - the lawmakers themselves do not have oversight over administering the funds).

Crazy times.
 
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At 79, he is high risk, so I would think most people in that age group would probably not want to eat out or fly in an airplane, if they could avoid it.

And to be fair, he doesn't say he never "eats out," he says he never eats inside a restaurant. I just want to make that clear, since outdoor dining doesn't seem to spread CoVid the way indoor dining does.

Lots of nice outdoor places these days.
 
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That would makes this worse, I would think.
 
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The Banquet Halls and bars are being blamed when it appears to be the beach gatherings and congregating at fault.

Do you have any evidence that this is true or is this an opinion? Because the research seems to say the opposite (and has for several months).

That being said, the UK has had some of the most crowded beach scenes I've seen on record during this pandemic, so perhaps there is local data/contact tracing that shows beach transmission? I think everyone worries about outdoor transmission, but the higher the humidity, the faster CoVid goes to ground, plus the UV kills CoVid - so beach transmission, so far, does not seem nearly as probable as indoor venues of almost any kind.

Anyway, the links posted here and a review of the literature seems to say you are not correct on this one. Would be good to have a source as it's a claim that runs counter to what most doctors and scientists believe.
 
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