Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #78

[BeachSky]

Aren't beaches there still closed while they try to bring down the numbers?

Hawaii COVID-19 Joint Information Center Daily News Digest, August 18, 2020

Lots of places are doing fines for breaches of covid rules. It seems to be a strong incentive to get people to comply.

At one point, Hawaii was looking to set up a travel bubble with Australia. Aussie tourism was pretty high there. But then the case numbers started blowing out so I think that forced that plan to be put on hold for a while. imo

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She lives on the north shore of Oahu.
You can surf, swim, play IN the water but you must leave when finished.
No sitting , running, playing ON the beach. It is extremely hard for parents with young children to keep them in the water!
The ocean (land) is their everyday life ...much like a park.

MOO

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Coronavirus: Nearly eight million Britons to be under tougher lockdown as nine areas added to watchlist

Nearly eight million people in Britain will be living under stricter lockdown rules after new restrictions were announced for a large part of the West Midlands.

Households will be banned from meeting each other in Birmingham, Sandwell and Solihull from Tuesday after a rise in coronavirus cases.

From midnight, Lanarkshire is also joining areas around Glasgow subject to tougher rules.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Fauci says US won't get back to normal until late 2021 — TODAY

“The nation's leading infectious disease expert also voiced concerns about states starting to resume certain indoor activities like dining.

Even as movie theaters, gyms and salons are opening and some states are allowing limited indoor dining, daily life in the U.S. won't get back to normal until late 2021 when a vaccine for COVID-19 is widely distributed, the nation's leading infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, said Friday.”

 

[Yvettea]

"There is no way to peace. Peace is the way."

Mahatma Ghandi
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Today especially, 9/11, we need to remind ourselves what happens around the globe happens to us all. Covid is a stark reminder. The path to freedom from this virus is peace and cooperation not force or manipulation.

Each new day should remind us that peace is fragile and cooperation requires effort from those who are most knowledgeable, intelligent and capable to deal with this global crisis.

My thanks to each of you who have contributed in your own unique way.

 

[Bravo]

I know once we come thru this I will appreciate time and hugs with cherished Family and Friends. More than ever.

 

[musicaljoke]

Don't all the states follow CDC and HHS guidance where health is concerned? I guess I just figured they would with all the travelling around the WH Task force have been doing.

It certainly would be reasonable to assume that, but it doesn't appear to be the case. The lack of a coordinated effort is widely understood to be a reason why the US is struggling to control CoVid.

You may recall that early in the pandemic the CDC published a document, "Guidance for Implementing the Opening Up America Again Framework", which was to take effect on May 1st. But that document was never distributed to the Governors, at the request of the WH. Instead they were encouraged to come up with their own plans for restarting businesses, schools, churches and other institutions.

That's why I asked, who do they consult?

 

[ilovewings]

I know once we come thru this I will appreciate time and hugs with cherished Family and Friends. More than ever.

That's a lovely thought!!!

 

[MrX]

It certainly would be reasonable to assume that, but it doesn't appear to be the case. The lack of a coordinated effort is widely understood to be a reason why the US is struggling to control CoVid.

You may recall that early in the pandemic the CDC published a document, "Guidance for Implementing the Opening Up America Again Framework", which was to take effect on May 1st. But that document was never distributed to the Governors, at the request of the WH. Instead they were encouraged to come up with their own plans for restarting businesses, schools, churches and other institutions.

That's why I asked, who do they consult?

It's a balancing act. Our Governor, for example, said that we can't do things, like move everything outside, like California, for example, because of our weather. So when winter comes, we'll have everything outside, while most of the country is coming to grips with having to make things like indoor dining work.

Our Governor and Health Director say that they take guidance from White House and CDC, but they cut corners in order to keep the economy going. Now it's all based on metrics, which is probably how everything should have been done, from the start.

 

[10ofRods]

Don't all the states follow CDC and HHS guidance where health is concerned? I guess I just figured they would with all the travelling around the WH Task force have been doing.

Short answer, No. I have no knowledge of the WH Task Force being in the Western United States - maybe Arizona? (Dr Fauci doesn't travel, btw)

CDC guidance has been inconsistent and confusing and often not in line with such State-based experts as major medical schools like Johns Hopkins or Stanford. Most States are set up to work closely with their own experts.

CDC is not the White House Task Force - but while California does pay attention to the CDC, we definitely have our own protocols, policies and expected policy outcomes. How would a traveling Task Force help, anyway? They distribute nothing, do not have the latest knowledge, and are helpless at enforcing policy in the current situation. The CDC's own lab came under severe criticism in the early weeks of the pandemic.

So most States that are successful at battling CoVid have developed protocols and policies that are far more helpful to study than the (often lame) advice on the CDC site.

 

[SouthAussie]

China Injects Hundreds of Thousands With Experimental Covid-19 Vaccines

In China they are injecting hundreds of thousands with experimental Covid-19 vaccines.

This article says that two vaccines' protections are anticipated to last for 3 years, so no need for annual shots.

The vaccines have been approved for emergency use. So far, no covid infections among the vaccine recipients.

The vaccines are also under Phase Three testing in United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Peru, Morocco, Argentina and Jordan.

Emergency vaccines ‘have proved effectiveness’, Chinese drug firm says

 

[Trino]

Don't all the states follow CDC and HHS guidance where health is concerned? I guess I just figured they would with all the travelling around the WH Task force have been doing.

You've got to be joking. Cripes. Not only are states not doing the same thing, cities and counties aren't. And, some LE officers refuse to enfore existing state recommendations. There is no federal coordinated plan, except to get the economy moving. Sure seems like everybody is doing their own thing and listening to whatever they wish.

 

[tresir2012]

Short answer, No. I have no knowledge of the WH Task Force being in the Western United States - maybe Arizona? (Dr Fauci doesn't travel, btw)

CDC guidance has been inconsistent and confusing and often not in line with such State-based experts as major medical schools like Johns Hopkins or Stanford. Most States are set up to work closely with their own experts.

CDC is not the White House Task Force - but while California does pay attention to the CDC, we definitely have our own protocols, policies and expected policy outcomes. How would a traveling Task Force help, anyway? They distribute nothing, do not have the latest knowledge, and are helpless at enforcing policy in the current situation. The CDC's own lab came under severe criticism in the early weeks of the pandemic.

So most States that are successful at battling CoVid have developed protocols and policies that are far more helpful to study than the (often lame) advice on the CDC site.

The WH Task Force visited Texas, Arizona and Florida. I guess they didnt visit California because Gov . Newsom has his own task force.

Newsom defends economic recovery efforts and task force amid criticism about transparency

Sounds like CA have had their own Lab test reporting problems based on this article from a month ago and could have maybe been helped by a visit, so not sure why they missed CA out on their hot states tour.

"The governor has struggled during the last week against setbacks in the state’s campaign against the coronavirus. On Monday, Newsom declared that his administration had resolved problems with a public health computer system that distorted test results for COVID-19.

A day earlier, the state announced the sudden departure of Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, which is responsible for collecting electronic test results.

The resignation followed an admission by the state last week that nearly 300,000 records had not been processed by the computer database used to provide local health officials with COVID-19 test results. The failure has hampered efforts to understand the spread of the coronavirus.

Numbers are being updated gradually, Newsom said, noting that more than half of the 11,645 positive coronavirus cases reported in the last 24 hours came from the backlog.

“The backlog numbers will come in the next couple of days,” he said. “We will then get through all of that.”

 

[mickey2942]

Short answer, No. I have no knowledge of the WH Task Force being in the Western United States - maybe Arizona? (Dr Fauci doesn't travel, btw)

CDC guidance has been inconsistent and confusing and often not in line with such State-based experts as major medical schools like Johns Hopkins or Stanford. Most States are set up to work closely with their own experts.

CDC is not the White House Task Force - but while California does pay attention to the CDC, we definitely have our own protocols, policies and expected policy outcomes. How would a traveling Task Force help, anyway? They distribute nothing, do not have the latest knowledge, and are helpless at enforcing policy in the current situation. The CDC's own lab came under severe criticism in the early weeks of the pandemic.

So most States that are successful at battling CoVid have developed protocols and policies that are far more helpful to study than the (often lame) advice on the CDC site.

That is so true! The CDC has been behind the eight ball since this pandemic started.

Something interesting, I coordinate ADA accommodation requests, which used to be one or two a month. Now, it is literally a full time job! Every one wants some sort of special "pandemic" related disability accommodation.

Yeah, zip information from CDC for guidance on this. Even ADA is scrambling.

 

[tresir2012]

You've got to be joking. Cripes. Not only are states not doing the same thing, cities and counties aren't. And, some LE officers refuse to enfore existing state recommendations. There is no federal coordinated plan, except to get the economy moving. Sure seems like everybody is doing their own thing and listening to whatever they wish.

Well that surprises me because of how Dr Birx and Dr Fauci have been discussed on here and their involvement and briefings. I thought they and the CDC and the FDA gave the federal guidance out to the states. At one stage the daily briefings were being avidly followed on here so I thought the states would follow them too.

 

[SouthAussie]

Short answer, No. I have no knowledge of the WH Task Force being in the Western United States - maybe Arizona? (Dr Fauci doesn't travel, btw)

CDC guidance has been inconsistent and confusing and often not in line with such State-based experts as major medical schools like Johns Hopkins or Stanford. Most States are set up to work closely with their own experts.

CDC is not the White House Task Force - but while California does pay attention to the CDC, we definitely have our own protocols, policies and expected policy outcomes. How would a traveling Task Force help, anyway? They distribute nothing, do not have the latest knowledge, and are helpless at enforcing policy in the current situation. The CDC's own lab came under severe criticism in the early weeks of the pandemic.

So most States that are successful at battling CoVid have developed protocols and policies that are far more helpful to study than the (often lame) advice on the CDC site.

My country is similar. Each state's CMO is running all things covid in each state, in conjunction with the states' Premiers.

There is possibly/probably some coordination and advice received from the country's CMO, as many of the guidelines they are delivering are the same. But the states' CMOs are the ones who are advising on state border closings, quarantining, social distancing requirements, and the like.

IMO

 

[tresir2012]

This article says that two vaccines' protections are anticipated to last for 3 years, so no need for annual shots.

The vaccines have been approved for emergency use. So far, no covid infections among the vaccine recipients.

The vaccines are also under Phase Three testing in United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Peru, Morocco, Argentina and Jordan.

Emergency vaccines ‘have proved effectiveness’, Chinese drug firm says

Well that's great news if it is correct. Didn't WHO mention something about this today I seem to remember.

 

[tresir2012]

You've got to be joking. Cripes. Not only are states not doing the same thing, cities and counties aren't. And, some LE officers refuse to enfore existing state recommendations. There is no federal coordinated plan, except to get the economy moving. Sure seems like everybody is doing their own thing and listening to whatever they wish.

Do the individual states all have their own guidance then, with no overarching federal policy? I thought there was supposed to be a Pandemic Plan that could be followed under Obama. Was that not issued by CDC or HHS?

 

[10ofRods]

Where do your State legislators go for guidance? What is their protocol when making pandemic related decisions? Do they consult with your Public Health Officers, or do they have to toe a party line, or are they left to wing it the best that they can?

The people need and expect good leadership during this time.

My own local public health officer is...ineffectual at best and corrupt at worst. I have copies of emails sent by this person to staff, telling them not to bother with contact tracing (we still have no coordination from that office regarding contact tracing). The public health officer took exception with the way the State wanted its data and had to be forced to comply, it took major action from the Board of Supervisors to bring him in line.

So we wing it.

Like Sweden, most people are noticing that there's a pandemic and modifying behavior. States that were hard hit and have knowledgeable governors (NY, NJ etc) are faring better.

Like Sweden, most of the US is experiencing severe economic consequences, same as if some other policy had been followed. The costs of increased medical care for letting CoVid burn its way through a population are extensive.

My own problem with going by purely governmental advice is that...I am an individual, with certain concerns that the government can't know. Most people feel the same way.

 

[tresir2012]

It certainly would be reasonable to assume that, but it doesn't appear to be the case. The lack of a coordinated effort is widely understood to be a reason why the US is struggling to control CoVid.

You may recall that early in the pandemic the CDC published a document, "Guidance for Implementing the Opening Up America Again Framework", which was to take effect on May 1st. But that document was never distributed to the Governors, at the request of the WH. Instead they were encouraged to come up with their own plans for restarting businesses, schools, churches and other institutions.

That's why I asked, who do they consult?

Well that publication is still available.

Opening Up America Again | The White House

It hasn't been taken down.

 

[Satchie]

My own problem with going by purely governmental advice is that...I am an individual, with certain concerns that the government can't know. Most people feel the same way.

RSBM

I'm curious what you mean by this, can you elaborate?