Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #81

[dixiegirl1035]

@gitana1 would you be willing to offer a perspective?

Do the Mayor/Local Government Mandates include government facilitates such as the White House or are they excluded?

https://mayor.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mayormb/release_content/attachments/Mayor's Order 2020-080 Wearing Masks in DC to Prevent COVID19.pdf

The answer is within the pdf link you have.

 

[sds71]

Trump Didn’t Disclose First Positive Covid-19 Test While Awaiting a Second Test on Thursday
Under White House protocols, the more reliable test that screens a specimen from deeper in the nasal passage is administered only after a rapid test shows a positive reading. Based on people familiar with the matter, the president’s tests followed that protocol.

 

[Simply Southern]

Thank you @oceanblueeyes I agree. A big issue for me during this pandemic is the amount of blame being passed around. It is something that people find easy to do in any situation until the same thing happens to them. Then at that point all we want is understanding. So I trying to do my best in not placing blame and praying for an end to this deadly disease.

I agreed. I have neighbors that contracted Covid the last of July. They kept to themselves and didn't associate with anyone in the neighborhood and hid in the house til the second week of Sept. They felt everyone would feel like they had intentional contacted Covid. They worried about reactions toward their children.

I really can't blame them, there is so much condemnation and hate I would be fearful for my children, as well.

My thought, once a person is infected they become a victim to the virus, no matter how contracted. I see my role as support and not judgement.
MHOO....

 

[gitana1]

The article states it is no longer in short supply.
Even my little hospital in "podinkville" had Remdesivir early on and continues to use it.

Its very sad the care your friend received.

I worked for a company that compounded a drug combo under an FDA EA, we never had a limit. We produced thousands of doses per week. Never heard of a limit, once the EA is issued.

Would you have a link for the limit of use for EAs issued by FDA?

The US government should end the shortage of the antiviral drug remdesivir by eliminating Gilead’s monopoly, says a report from Public Citizen, a national non-profit organisation that represents consumers’ interests.1

Remdesivir, an unapproved investigational drug that is used in patients with severe covid-19, is in short supply and rationed. Doctors and politicians at a press conference on 8 September called on the Trump administration to use existing laws to increase supplies of the drug by ending Gilead’s monopoly. This would allow other companies to make generic versions of the drug and permit imports of generic versions from foreign manufacturers. Gilead would earn licensing fees from generic manufacturers. Gilead has licensed some generic manufacturers to sell remdesivir in low and middle income countries, but the agreements are narrow and limited, says the report.

Covid-19: US should end Gilead’s monopoly on producing remdesivir, report says

I did not say there is an FDA EA for Remdesivir. Or that the supply is linked to government limits. It's just that production (and a monopoly by Gilead) are making supply outweighed by demand.

However, we don't even have emergency authorization by the FDA to use Regeneron, the antibody therapy the president is receiving. No one else gets that unless they're in a clinical trial or maybe at death's door:


Although Regeneron’s product has not been authorized for emergency use by the Food and Drug Administration, companies can grant access to their experimental treatments through compassionate use, for example, if all other options have failed and a patient might die without trying the drug.

In an interview Friday afternoon, Regeneron’s chief executive, Dr. Leonard S. Schleifer, said Mr. Trump’s medical staff reached out to the company for permission to use the drug, and that it was cleared with the Food and Drug Administration.

“All we can say is that they asked to be able to use it, and we were happy to oblige,” he said. He said that so-called compassionate use cases — when patients are granted access to an experimental treatment outside of a clinical trial — are decided on a case-by-case basis and he is not the first patient to be granted permission to use the treatment this way. “When it’s the president of the United States, of course, that gets — obviously — gets our attention.”

Dr. Schleifer has known Mr. Trump casually for years, having been a member of his golf club in Westchester County.

A spokeswoman for Regeneron, Hala Mirza, said that for its coronavirus treatment, “our first priority is to maintain a sufficient supply in order to conduct rigorous clinical trials,” adding, “there is limited product available for compassionate use requests that are approved under certain exceptional circumstances on a case-by-case basis.”
President Trump Received Experimental Antibody Treatment

Emphasis by me.

 

[gitana1]

I think the number of people who "took all precautions adhering strictly to CDC guidelines" and nevertheless got COVID-19, with many passing away is quite low indeed. This is my opinion. Do you have links to numerous cases?

Yes. People aren't honest or always aware about how they breach protocols. They will claim they did everything right. But put a camera on them and you see that there is always a breach somewhere.

I know I've taken this disease very seriously since early March but I have repeatedly made mistakes and have done things to put myself at risk. We are all human, No one can be perfect.

That's why I do not share the same level of vicious condemnation I repeatedly see of parents whose kids drown in the pool or die in a hot car, unless intent or actual, clear neglect (drugs, or knowingly leaving them unattended) occurs.

But it is very clear at this point what we can do to reduce the risk for ourselves and others. Wear a mask. Try to socially distance as much as possible. Isolate if in contact with someone who is sick.

To run around without a mask, laughing and talking in close proximity with SEVERAL others, hugging them, whispering in their faces, shaking hands when you can't immediately wash them, etc., and to pressure those around you to not wear masks and not act "afraid", is the same as driving drunk without a seat belt, or giving a 13 year old the car keys, IMO. It's irresponsible. Negligent. Unconscionable. Especially if the nation is watching.

 

[drama_farmer]

Indeed it is. Add to this that it would need to be an infectious disease ward with all the proper ventilation, waste management, etc., and staffed by health care workers who are specifically trained in communicable diseases in order to protect all others in the WH.

I just can't see any good thing resulting from going back to the WH at this point. Does anyone think Trump would self-quarantine?

Bbm
I think it might have something to do with the Stock Market.

And, regarding the conflicting (oftentimes confounding, imo) info being dispersed, or projected from the WH, I have found it's better for my anxiety if I don't accept the info as factual right away.

I've seen so many cheerful yet misleading predictions and/or misinformation tweeted at me, only to be walked-back, or fact-checked into oblivion or brushed off as "just kidding...

Sometimes it takes a few days to realize the chasm between the "narrative" and the truth on the ground. Kinda like a minefield of rhetoric.

I have hypertension to worry about, so this "wait for it..." strategy has become a way for me to manage my emotions.

All my experience, of course.

 

[sds71]

did he just leave the hospital?

Trump drives by the press and supporters outside Walter Reed hospital.
https://twitter.com/PhilipinDC/status/1312865078602072065?s=20

https://twitter.com/PhilipinDC/status/1312865513639481344?s=20

 

[gitana1]

@gitana1 would you be willing to offer a perspective?

Do the Mayor/Local Government Mandates include government facilitates such as the White House or are they excluded?

https://mayor.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mayormb/release_content/attachments/Mayor's Order 2020-080 Wearing Masks in DC to Prevent COVID19.pdf

They're probably excluded.

 

[Simply Southern]

@gitana1 would you be willing to offer a perspective?

Do the Mayor/Local Government Mandates include government facilitates such as the White House or are they excluded?

https://mayor.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mayormb/release_content/attachments/Mayor's Order 2020-080 Wearing Masks in DC to Prevent COVID19.pdf

The WH is federal property and not under the jurisdiction of DC government.

ETA...The DC mayor, is elected but answers to the House of Representatives. Until the last 30 or so years DC did not have a mayor, it was overseen by HOR.

 

[Tiff23fr]

The WH is federal property and not under the jurisdiction of DC government.

thank you to those that responded

 

[LadyL]

It's okay to be scared.
Hugs.

What's allowed and not allowed under Ontario's stricter social gathering limits

If the policy is still valid 10 person max for indoor gatherings,
But keeping in mind the increase in cases post mother's day, and that 4 out of 10 persons in a group could be asymptomatic; just best to keep it small, this year.

I know you have a ton on your plate. I know here it's going to be 72 degrees here next Sunday so likely not too cold for you your way. Maybe something outdoors and everyone bring their own meal/snacks. Seat apart and mask when needed.

thank you both
we've been batting it around but the general consensus is my brother can't be there (bedridden) and we don't wanna do it without him

You can do this LadyL, you have the tools. If you need to chat you know where to find me. We also live not far from each other. One day you and I will have a coffee together and look back on all this. Hugs.

wow... wish I could join. LadyL...please accept virtual hugs...
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thanks both

 

[JerseyGirl]

Poor kid. I wonder about the other three kids and George.

Claudia Conway announces coronavirus diagnosis on TikTok

earlier this week:

Conway's husband, George shared a photo of the audience at the event with a tweet that said "LIVID."

Kellyanne Conway's daughter Claudia first posted in a TikTok video that her mother had tested positive, claiming that she "infect(ed) the whole family."

Kellyanne Conway has COVID-19, says the former senior Trump adviser

 

[gitana1]

The answer is within the pdf link you have.

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Yes. Item 2.

 

[beatrixpotter]

An implanted port is a device that allows repeated and long-term access to your bloodstream. It can be used for antibiotics, IV nutrition, and other IV fluids. When someone gets a port placed, they will not need IV catheters like peripheral IVs or PICC lines (unless more than one access is required).

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I only know of this done on people who are seriously ill and having repeated troubles accessing a vein. Or people who need IV access regularly and their veins are being destroyed. It's much riskier as far as infection goes. Do you think they might really use a port on him like that if they say he isn't going to be in long?

 

[beatrixpotter]

Not all IV drugs are given continuously. Some IV antibiotics, for example, are given once a day.

I've been in the hospital for a week or more on IV's and they always kept the IV access in till I was literally being discharged. I wonder if this is just where I live?

 

[Tadpole12]

did he just leave the hospital?

Trump drives by the press and supporters outside Walter Reed hospital.
https://twitter.com/PhilipinDC/status/1312865078602072065?s=20

https://twitter.com/PhilipinDC/status/1312865513639481344?s=20

Very good news.

ETA President Trump has recently posted on his Twitter account

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[Knitty]

Yes. People aren't honest or always aware about how they breach protocols. They will claim they did everything right. But put a camera on them and you see that there is always a breach somewhere.

I know I've taken this disease very seriously since early March but I have repeatedly made mistakes and have done things to put myself at risk. We are all human, No one can be perfect.

That's why I do not share the same level of vicious condemnation I repeatedly see of parents whose kids drown in the pool or die in a hot car, unless intent or actual, clear neglect (drugs, or knowingly leaving them unattended) occurs.

But it is very clear at this point what we can do to reduce the risk for ourselves and others. Wear a mask. Try to socially distance as much as possible. Isolate if in contact with someone who is sick.

To run around without a mask, laughing and talking in close proximity with SEVERAL others, hugging them, whispering in their faces, shaking hands when you can't immediately wash them, etc., and to pressure those around you to not wear masks and act "afraid", is the same as driving drunk without a seat belt, or giving a 13 year old the car keys, IMO. It's irresponsible. Negligent. Unconscionable. Especially if the nation is watching.

Exactly. I recently went for a food pickup, came back out, sanitized my hands, opened my car and put the food in the back seat, got in the front seat, reached up to take off my mask . . . and realized I wasn't wearing a mask. If I end up with COVID-19, I'll admit that. I don't wish to shame someone for catching the virus due to incidental mistakes, but it's difficult to feel the same level of sorry for people who catch it because they were thumbing their noses at it as I feel for essential workers who catch it.

 

[Satchie]

You have my utmost respect. I value you so much!

So hopefully you won't be upset by me disagreeing.

Our president openly mocked mask wearing. He has failed to model that or social distancing. And over and over, science shows definitively that both work radically to reduce the risk.

Obviously politicians are at higher risk due to the fact that they really can't isolate. So it's hard to place blame on them if they contract it. However, the other issue is failing to be role models and actively work to reduce the risk, and instead cavalierly fail to follow scientific protocols, while knowing they have access to treatments unavailable to the rest of us.

I believe that's wrong.

China didn't intentionally create this virus (as far as we know). But they are to blame for downplaying it and hiding facts about it, even going so far as to punish the brave doctor whistleblower who dared to publish the truth about what he was seeing. (He died. 37 years old. Healthy. And he died.)

But we are also to blame for not having leadership willingly to calmly, consistently and sincerely relay the science and model preventative behavior. That cost us thousands of lives, IMO.

I do feel that sort of indicating that since it can happen to anyone no matter how much they protect themselves, criticism for failure to follow health, safety and sanitation guidelines is misplaced, is not quite reasonable. To me that's kind of like saying someone who got terribly hurt in a car accident while drinking and driving and not wearing a seatbelt, bears no responsibility for those failures.

We need leadership that promotes the safety and welfare of all. Wearing a mask and trying to maintain distance as much as possible greatly reduces the risk. We have seen that repeatedly.

But the entire first family, except the first lady (thank God), refused to wear masks to the debates, despite the medical professionals at the Cleveland Clinic asking them to. They flat refused.

So my point is, wear a seatbelt. Don't drive drunk. Especially when you're a famous race car driver, drive fast for a living and everyone is watching you.

It seems to me the difference is some people believe in public health efforts, and others do not.

This article references the decades long public health campaign to reduce smoking, and that did have, in the end, some success. And yet, many people still smoke, parents refuse to vaccinate their kids against deadly diseases, people inject drugs they've bought from dodgy street dealers, I could go on. I think, to stay sane in the field of public health, you have to accept it's a hard uphill battle to get people to do what's good for themselves and each other, they just plain won't.
It's not just coronavirus: America repeatedly fails at public health

 

[drama_farmer]

And on it goes. Wearing a mask is apparently akin to living your life in a basement.

A top adviser to President Donald Trump's campaign on Sunday ridiculed 2020 Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden's mask-wearing even as President Donald Trump remains hospitalized with Covid-19.

"We can't all just stay in our basement for the rest of our lives," Jason Miller said, mentioning what's been a Republican point of mockery of Biden for holding virtual events during the pandemic. "We have to get out there and live our lives and take this on ... You can't just stay hidden in your basement the entire time."

Top Trump campaign official ridicules Joe Biden's mask-wearing after president, allies infected

I guess all we can do is pray for those who do wear a mask in that environment. Please Lord, protect them (at least) from mockery, ridicule and insults.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Very good news.

ETA President Trump has recently posted on his Twitter account

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Such great news. He looks much better! Jmo