Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #84

[nhmemorymaker]

Georgia Today: How The 'Lovett Cluster' Stymied Contact Tracers

The Race to Investigate a Coronavirus Outbreak at a Georgia Prep School

And back to Sturgis, which may be responsible for the virus rise in the Midwest...
More than 330 coronavirus cases and one death were directly linked to the rally as of mid-September, according to a Washington Post survey of health departments in 23 states that provided information. But experts say that tally represents just the tip of the iceberg, since contact tracing often doesn't capture the source of an infection, and asymptomatic spread goes unnoticed.

How the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally may have spread coronavirus across the Upper Midwest

Yes... so many articles about the surges in North and South Dakota, Montana, Nebraska.... and beyond. And no way to track.

 

[ilovewings]

I completely understand the extrovert dynamic though, as I used to be one. I would have been out there partying right along with them when I was younger, covid or no covid. I just wanted to be young and have fun and I would not have listened either.

My first few autopsies cured me of that, immediately.

I read your post with interest: i know when i was young you couldn't keep me in the house: i would have been out there, as you said, Covid or no Covid-- I was very extroverted. Now, I am almost a recluse!!!!

 

[neesaki]

Am I the only one who is just finding this out? News Oct 18, 2020. Other stories say she died on the tarmac before the plane took off. But...

A 30-year-old woman from Garland who died “on an interstate flight” was among three COVID-19 deaths reported Sunday by Dallas County.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coronavirus/article246541628.html

What on earth was she doing on a plane?!

 

[drama_farmer]

How on earth do you even board a plane so sick you literally die on the tarmac before the plane even takes off??? How does that even happen???

"We don't know a whole lot," Jenkins said. "We may not know if she was aware she was sick. Contact took place in Arizona." The flight was headed from Arizona to Texas, Jenkins said.

Jenkins said the county got information in August that a Texan from Dallas County died in Arizona but didn't have a cause of death, and just got word within the last few days that the death was from COVID-19. Jenkins said he does not have information on what airline the woman was traveling with.

The judge added the woman died while the plane was on the tarmac awaiting takeoff. He said the woman was "ill and having trouble breathing." Jenkins said it was unclear if it was known at the time that the woman had COVID-19.

I wonder if she had a fever and if they were doing preflight temp checks.

 

[oviedo]

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Thank you for posting this - I saw a snip of his 60 minutes interview this morning on CBS This Morning - I'm glad he stated, again, the reasons for wearing a mask -
JMO (and good to see you @margarita25 )

 

[JerseyGirl]

The 10 countries with the most infections as of Monday morning are:

1. United States: 8,156,970
2. India: 7,550,273
3. Brazil: 5,235,344
4. Russia: 1,406,504
5. Argentina: 989,680
6. Colombia: 959,572
7. France: 938,606
8. Spain: 936,560
9. Peru: 868,675
10. Mexico: 851,227

40 Million Coronavirus Cases Are Now Reported Worldwide

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Dr. Campbell 30 minute update for today.

Still adding to knowledge, and sometimes confusing information. We need MOO to accept that science is always learning, and can change opinions and that is ok. It's why it's called a learning/evidence CURVE MOO. And that is why science attracts CRITICAL thinkers MOO. (and many at WS who follow cases and trials do such also!)

Still learning, changing opinions e.g. CFR and IFR may be lower than we first feared. He reviews seroprevalence, but didn't we discuss waaaaaaaaaaaaay back on WS that some of the seroprevalence tests were cross reactive? Others may recall.

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[dixiegirl1035]

Dr. Campbell 30 minute update for today.

Still adding to knowledge, and sometimes confusing information. We need MOO to accept that science is always learning, and can change opinions and that is ok. It's why it's called a learning/evidence CURVE MOO. And that is why science attracts CRITICAL thinkers MOO. (and many at WS who follow cases and trials do such also!)

Still learning, changing opinions e.g. CFR and IFR may be lower than we first feared. He reviews seroprevalence, but didn't we discuss waaaaaaaaaaaaay back on WS that some of the seroprevalence tests were cross reactive? Others may recall.

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From above link, what he went over today is so interesting in speaking to different death rates for COVID in some countries I had never thought about. It is noting that some countries just do NOT have older ages, and he showed 4 countries as an example to explain different death rates vs. their countries populations as to age. These are 4 of the age pyramids.... (pointing to less aged folks, lower IRF/CFR for them)

UK was similar to US and most wealthy countries

Kenya - Oh my gosh - these are the countries that WHO and member countries that is focused on much for their efforts to help SO MANY diseases as they are so poor as someone noted above.

Niger - just striking isn't it

Cambodia - Which shows the severe low point in the age range of the 40-44 year olds due to 1) Civil War/Khmer Rouge takeover and genocide that followed.... for those of us here that remember those times... History lesson indeed. Just shocking isn't it.

Anyway... as we see worldwide numbers, the rates on some stats may differ as some countries don't have ages populations as first world countries do e.g. death rates / case would be lower.

Thought this was so novel/new way to look at other countries and how it may affect them with COVID and wanted to share with those that don't have time to view all of the Dr. Campbell video.

It was very educational and enlightening to me.

MOO

ETA: source of all screen shots are from dr. campbell above video.

 

[weepingangel]

Problems With Covid Testing Persist


More at link
False test results, consequences of delays and now confusion with colds and flu plague the response to COVID. Also, more news on how the sports industry is dealing with testing.

 

[GRT]

Study released last week indicates antibodies could last from 5 to 7 months in many who were infected. Maybe that's why we're seeing such a low reinfection rate?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Study released last week indicates antibodies could last from 5 to 7 months in many who were infected. Maybe that's why we're seeing such a low reinfection rate?

That and perhaps some people who have already been sick are taking more care in not getting it again. JMO

 

[10ofRods]

From above link, what he went over today is so interesting in speaking to different death rates for COVID in some countries I had never thought about. It is noting that some countries just do NOT have older ages, and he showed 4 countries as an example to explain different death rates vs. their countries populations as to age. These are 4 of the age pyramids.... (pointing to less aged folks, lower IRF/CFR for them)

View attachment 268389 UK was similar to US and most wealthy countries

View attachment 268390 Kenya - Oh my gosh - these are the countries that WHO and member countries that is focused on much for their efforts to help SO MANY diseases as they are so poor as someone noted above.

View attachment 268391Niger - just striking isn't it

View attachment 268392 Cambodia - Which shows the severe low point in the age range of the 40-44 year olds due to 1) Civil War/Khmer Rouge takeover and genocide that followed.... for those of us here that remember those times... History lesson indeed. Just shocking isn't it.

Anyway... as we see worldwide numbers, the rates on some stats may differ as some countries don't have ages populations as first world countries do e.g. death rates / case would be lower.

Thought this was so novel/new way to look at other countries and how it may affect them with COVID and wanted to share with those that don't have time to view all of the Dr. Campbell video.

It was very educational and enlightening to me.

MOO

ETA: source of all screen shots are from dr. campbell above video.

Great post! It's such a major factor in any epidemic or pandemic and of course, it's so interesting. There's a whole subfield of anthropology that does prehistoric demographics too - we can tell a lot from grave findings, for example.

Andorra and Lichtenstein, I believe (maybe Luxembourg too), and San Marino...all have way more older people, hence their positions on the world indices of who died from CoVId.

Which reminds me, they have announced a CoVid positive finding (for 1 person, apparently) at the Pope's residence in the Vatican (another place where the population is mostly old).

I wish I could find great charts like that for each of the United States.

 

[MimosaMornings]

I wonder if she had a fever and if they were doing preflight temp checks.

I do not think any of the US flights/airlines are doing temp checks. I have family members still flying and they have never had their temp checked by an airline or at the airport.
But there is a health questionnaire that you have to answer on checkin.
And if the passenger was visibly ill, coughing or in obvious health distress - the gate agent should have denied boarding. I’ve been pulled before because I was coughing. I had to be checked by the medic (temperature, pulse, BP and oximeter) and allowed to get on the next flight.

 

[10ofRods]

A bit more detail in this article ... it happened in July on a flight from AZ (where she contracted the virus) to TX. But she has only now been added to the TX state covid records.

She was ill and having trouble breathing while the plane was on the tarmac in AZ, then passed away. Unknown if she knew she had the virus.

COVID-19 updates: Garland woman in her 30s died of coronavirus during July flight in Arizona, Dallas County officials say | wfaa.com

This reminds me of those early reports where people presented with CoVid, trouble breathing, but no fever, no other symptoms. Their blood oxygen levels were as low as 70% and they were still walking around! I do have to say that when I was hospitalized for blood clots on my lungs (reaction to a prescribed drug), mine was 86-88% and my thinking was not the clearest. In fact, I didn't notice my cognitive decline at all. I also thought my trouble breathing was asthma and cheerfully kept using my inhaler (didn't work!)

Poor woman may never have realized her situation. Possibly no fever, like many of the early cases...no aches and pains, just trouble breathing.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Trudeau and Trump are worlds apart on the Canada-U.S. border closure

If you live in Canada, you can cross the border by car? Perhaps have a dual passport?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/quarantine-emmaloop-plates-covid19-coronavirus-1.5766015

 

[Trino]

Frightening...

"If there's a reporter on, you can have it just the way I said it. I couldn’t care less," the president said following the heated comments.

"People are saying whatever. Just leave us alone. They're tired of it. People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots..." Trump said, according to Politico.

Despite slamming the coronavirus expert, the president went on to say "Fauci is a nice guy" before saying "he's been here for 500 years."

During the call, Trump also insisted that if he had listened to Fauci's advice there would be "700,000, 800,000 deaths."

Trump calls Dr Fauci ‘an IDIOT’ & says people are ‘tired of hearing about Covid’

 

[Sprockett7701]

Frightening...

"If there's a reporter on, you can have it just the way I said it. I couldn’t care less," the president said following the heated comments.

"People are saying whatever. Just leave us alone. They're tired of it. People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots..." Trump said, according to Politico.

Despite slamming the coronavirus expert, the president went on to say "Fauci is a nice guy" before saying "he's been here for 500 years."

During the call, Trump also insisted that if he had listened to Fauci's advice there would be "700,000, 800,000 deaths."

Trump calls Dr Fauci ‘an IDIOT’ & says people are ‘tired of hearing about Covid’

Literally, what can you say? (Without getting a time-out... ;-) )

I grow more concerned for the state of the world every day...We sure ain’t in Kansas anymore Toto...

 

[10ofRods]

Study released last week indicates antibodies could last from 5 to 7 months in many who were infected. Maybe that's why we're seeing such a low reinfection rate?

Yes, and that's why Fauci fears record numbers in late fall and winter. (One reason - there are others, such as natural drops in Vitamin D for those who aren't supplementing and live further north). Also, people head indoors. Cold air is also drier air, so the virions may stay aloft longer.

My own view is that being indoors in a heated (dry) environment with lots of people is a really bad strategy for winter.

If in addition, some people who have already had CoVId get it again, then Yikes!

If the front line antibodies fade over time, it's very possible that people stay retain some overall immunity to CoVid and will have a milder case.

 

[Sprockett7701]

Yes, and that's why Fauci fears record numbers in late fall and winter. (One reason - there are others, such as natural drops in Vitamin D for those who aren't supplementing and live further north). Also, people head indoors. Cold air is also drier air, so the virions may stay aloft longer.

My own view is that being indoors in a heated (dry) environment with lots of people is a really bad strategy for winter.

If in addition, some people who have already had CoVId get it again, then Yikes!

If the front line antibodies fade over time, it's very possible that people stay retain some overall immunity to CoVid and will have a milder case.

Maybe I’m way off course here @10ofRods but wouldn’t it be a good idea to target the people who have garnered some overall immunity and design vaccinations from data from them...

I have no idea if that is how this works...

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I do not think any of the US flights/airlines are doing temp checks. I have family members still flying and they have never had their temp checked by an airline or at the airport.
But there is a health questionnaire that you have to answer on checkin.
And if the passenger was visibly ill, coughing or in obvious health distress - the gate agent should have denied boarding. I’ve been pulled before because I was coughing. I had to be checked by the medic (temperature, pulse, BP and oximeter) and allowed to get on the next flight.

RE: Your comment on oximeters. (Ha, spell check doesn't have this word, need to correct it back to what I said and add to my dictionary)

Back in February, many of us were yacking here and purchased pulse oximeters after Dr. Campbell suggested. At that time, a few purchased and I got highest rated one for $19.99 on Amazon. Three months later, they were $39.99!

Don't know what they are now as to cost and how many knock offs that might be hitting the market that are new to market and not the standards before?

My average used to be 97%-98% everyday... just did for the first time in 4 months, and is 96%. I have been in the garden and got quite affected by the fall mold/pollen and was sick as a dog from working in the garden three days ago.. SEVERE headache, runny red eyes, used an entire roll of toilet paper due to blowing my nose (ha, cheapo here who uses soft TP vs. kleenex). Started my Zyrtec immediately as I should have when I got the email alert from the allergy site we also discussed on threads. (can't find link right now quickly) MOO

Anyway... for folks who keep at home and follow here.. I knew that SEVERE headache and nose congestion and red eyes was NOT covid. Whereas some folks who just read the MSM or elsewhere may have thought "do I have COVID? I fit the symptoms"... but easily discerned due to posting here... thanks all!

This reminds me of those early reports where people presented with CoVid, trouble breathing, but no fever, no other symptoms. Their blood oxygen levels were as low as 70% and they were still walking around! I do have to say that when I was hospitalized for blood clots on my lungs (reaction to a prescribed drug), mine was 86-88% and my thinking was not the clearest. In fact, I didn't notice my cognitive decline at all. I also thought my trouble breathing was asthma and cheerfully kept using my inhaler (didn't work!)

Poor woman may never have realized her situation. Possibly no fever, like many of the early cases...no aches and pains, just trouble breathing.

MOO, some here (smaller numbers in normal population) might agree that having a pulse oximeter in your medicine cabinet is just as important as always having a thermometer.

MOO