Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #89

[ilovewings]

Oh great Ron, just keep putting the citizens of Florida in jeopardy...

DeSantis said Florida will receive less of the supply than what was initially anticipated, so he came up with a possible way to stretch out the state’s inoculations.

Instead of giving two doses, as recommended by the pharmaceutical manufacturer, to high-risk populations such as nursing home residents and front-line hospital workers, perhaps one dose could do, the Governor suggested Friday.

Gov. DeSantis suggests one dose of Pfizer vaccine may be enough

I didn't know he had an M.D. after his name---- who the heck is he to make that type of medical decision? i hope it doesn't fly

 

[Cool Cats]

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[gngr~snap]

Why doesn't he have health insurance that picks up the costs over his deductible? I thought insurers were on the hook for that through the PPACA rules.

I thought it was to help remodel his house to make it more accessible and get him a new vehicle.
I just skimmed it, so I probably missed something.
Back to read again!
MOO
So he has insurance, but it must have reached the maximum pay out-
"Even with insurance, ICU still has many specialists, surgeons, medications, 24-hour care (the cost is astronomical), and treatment, equipment, refurbishment, etc. for 3 months in the ICU!” wrote.
https://texasnewstoday.com/the-whit...ovid-and-spent-three-months-in-the-icu/84275/

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Very good question! Even my State job Michigan Blue Cross Insurance would pick up the tab for this! I feel for this guy. Come work for the State of Michigan!

Referring to this article

Head of White House security office has his right foot amputated because of severe COVID-19 and is facing 'staggering medical bills,' new report says

My insurance only covers specific hospitals and doctors. I have bottom of the barrel stuff. I needed a surgery three years ago... and there were ONLY three folks on my plan approved.. and they were "churn and turn" type docs.

Who knows what type of coverage he had. And if he is still employed now or having to go on COBRA vs. filing it under it happening at work/workers compensation.

Who knows... but for an amputation etc., yeah, I would assume lots not coverered. His job was to do security for POTUS... and I doubt he can claim it was due to work and win such coverage.

Also, as to rehab. Insurance is pretty limited in my experience. What he has received it may be a drop as he didn't have the privilege perhaps of getting in within 12 hours of testing and get all the kitchen sink given to him as did Trump, Christie etc.

And yeah, add on what he needs to have done to his home/car etc... for merely doing his job for someone who perhaps may have put him in harms way. We'll never know as I doubt the genome sequence that has been done for many would be done with Trump's / Rose Garden etc for tracing on the genomic website. MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

My insurance only covers specific hospitals and doctors. I have bottom of the barrel stuff. I needed a surgery three years ago... and there were ONLY three folks on my plan approved.. and they were "churn and turn" type docs.

Who knows what type of coverage he had. And if he is still employed now or having to go on COBRA vs. filing it under it happening at work/workers compensation.

Who knows... but for an amputation etc., yeah, I would assume lots not coverered. His job was to do security for POTUS... and I doubt he can claim it was due to work and win such coverage.

Also, as to rehab. Insurance is pretty limited in my experience. What he has received it may be a drop as he didn't have the privilege perhaps of getting in within 12 hours of testing and get all the kitchen sink given to him as did Trump, Christie etc.

And yeah, add on what he needs to have done to his home/car etc... for merely doing his job for someone who perhaps may have put him in harms way. We'll never know as I doubt the genome sequence that has been done for many would be done with Trump's / Rose Garden etc for tracing on the genomic website. MOO

Right. I deleted my post because I need to know more about it. Thanks
@dixiegirl1035

 

[Cool Cats]

First doctor in US receives coronavirus vaccine: 'I went in today feeling very hopeful'

Mon, December 14, 2020, 9:10 PM EST
First doctor in US receives coronavirus vaccine: 'I went in today feeling very hopeful'

Dr Yves Duroseau spent this morning reflecting on the trying year he, his colleagues, and his city have been through. The head of emergency medicine at Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan, Duroseau has spent months caring for the desperately ill, worried for his own safety and that of his colleagues.

He is the first doctor – and the second healthcare worker – in the US to receive a vaccine against the novel coronavirus, three days after the Food and Drug Administration granted emergency authorization of the Pfizer BioTech drug, according to Northwell Health.

“Going in today, I was just feeling very hopeful,” Duroseau said. He was one of five healthcare workers to receive the vaccine shortly after 9am at Long Island Jewish Medical Center, part of Northwell Health, in Queens, New York.

 

[margarita25]

FDA Analysis Of Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine Finds It Effective And Safe

The Moderna vaccine is on the cusp of of being cleared - one thing that was kind of surprising is that in people over 65 the vaccine is only 86% effective

Briefing document:

Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee Meeting
December 17, 2020
FDA Briefing Document
Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine
https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Right. I deleted my post because I need to know more about it. Thanks
@dixiegirl1035

Respectfully, if someone says they deleted their post and wants it down, I usually (if within 60 minutes) delete mine out of respect.

But I DO THINK and AGREE with your post, and it's a good post for think think think... and that this is a good start for discussions on the threads. The vaccine is covered, yet not a doctor visit we have learned (CVS I have learned is the way to go, otherwise I have surcharges for the vaccines!)

And then much more discussions as to getting the right hospital, the right doctor that may be "Out of plan" which your post brings up.

I hope you don't mind, but I would like to leave up my response to your post which I think is a great starting point for discussions here at WS.

 

[Cool Cats]

Respectfully, if someone says they deleted their post and wants it down, I usually (if within 60 minutes) delete mine out of respect.

But I DO THINK and AGREE with your post, and it's a good post for think think think... and that this is a good start for discussions on the threads. The vaccine is covered, yet not a doctor visit we have learned (CVS I have learned is the way to go, otherwise I have surcharges for the vaccines!)

And then much more discussions as to getting the right hospital, the right doctor that may be "Out of plan" which your post brings up.

I hope you don't mind, but I would like to leave up my response to your post which I think is a great starting point for discussions here at WS.

You are COOL with me dixiegirl I think what you said is just fine....

Take care....!

 

[weepingangel]

It's not just doctors and nurses who are getting the first vaccines - CNN

More at link
CNN)The first Pfizer and BioNTech Covid-19 vaccines are here, but it's not just doctors and nurses who are getting them first.

At the Virginia Bedford Healthcare System, Andrew Miller -- a housekeeper in the Environmental Management Service -- was the first employee to receive the vaccine on Monday afternoon, the hospital reported.
And Miller isn't the only one. As hospitals around the US receive the first shipments of the vaccine, some housekeepers are finding themselves at the top of the list.
At Baptist Health Lexington, in Lexington, Kentucky, a member of the housekeeping staff -- along with an intensivist, an ICU nurse, and an emergency room nursing assistant -- were among the first to receive the vaccine's first dose on Monday, according to CNN affiliate WTVQ.
At Mercy Hospital South in St. Louis, members of the housekeeping staff were also among the first to receive the vaccine, reported CNN affiliate KMOV.

 

[margarita25]

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[astheworldfallsdown]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-confirms-cases-new-23171286

Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed a new strain of Covid blamed for outbreaks in the south-east of England has now been found in Scotland.

The First Minister said nine cases had been identified in the Greater Glasgow & Clyde health board region - which covers a large geographic area in the west of the country - this week.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

It's not just doctors and nurses who are getting the first vaccines - CNN

More at link
CNN)The first Pfizer and BioNTech Covid-19 vaccines are here, but it's not just doctors and nurses who are getting them first.

At the Virginia Bedford Healthcare System, Andrew Miller -- a housekeeper in the Environmental Management Service -- was the first employee to receive the vaccine on Monday afternoon, the hospital reported.
And Miller isn't the only one. As hospitals around the US receive the first shipments of the vaccine, some housekeepers are finding themselves at the top of the list.
At Baptist Health Lexington, in Lexington, Kentucky, a member of the housekeeping staff -- along with an intensivist, an ICU nurse, and an emergency room nursing assistant -- were among the first to receive the vaccine's first dose on Monday, according to CNN affiliate WTVQ.
At Mercy Hospital South in St. Louis, members of the housekeeping staff were also among the first to receive the vaccine, reported CNN affiliate KMOV.

Bravo!!!!!! that housekeeping staff are at the top of the list and are recognized also for their exposures.

 

[Sundog]

Oh great Ron, just keep putting the citizens of Florida in jeopardy...

DeSantis said Florida will receive less of the supply than what was initially anticipated, so he came up with a possible way to stretch out the state’s inoculations.

Instead of giving two doses, as recommended by the pharmaceutical manufacturer, to high-risk populations such as nursing home residents and front-line hospital workers, perhaps one dose could do, the Governor suggested Friday.

Gov. DeSantis suggests one dose of Pfizer vaccine may be enough

Scott Gottlieb, former Commissioner of the FDA, makes the same suggestion. Gottlieb's view is that there will be more supply of the vaccine in January and following, so why keep half of the currently available vaccine on the shelf now? Gottlieb's view is that we should "get as many shots in arms as possible." So his view is not that different from Governor DeSantis. And Gottlieb should be well-informed about how much vaccine that Pfizer will manufacture in January, since he sits on Pfizer's Board.

On COVID-19 vaccine, ‘get as many shots in arms as possible, right away’: ex-FDA chief Q&A | American Enterprise Institute - AEI

 

[sds71]

The FDA has authorized the first over-the-counter fully at-home COVID-19 test. A patient can buy it in a drug store, swab their nose, run the test, and find out their results in as little as 20 minutes.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-antigen-test-first-over-counter-fully-home-diagnostic

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Scott Gottlieb, former Commissioner of the FDA, makes the same suggestion. Gottlieb's view is that there will be more supply of the vaccine in January and following, so why keep half of the currently available vaccine on the shelf now? Gottlieb's view is that we should "get as many shots in arms as possible." So his view is not that different from Governor DeSantis. And Gottlieb should be well-informed about how much vaccine that Pfizer will manufacture in January, since he sits on Pfizer's Board.

On COVID-19 vaccine, ‘get as many shots in arms as possible, right away’: ex-FDA chief Q&A | American Enterprise Institute - AEI

But DeSantis is trying to make a case for a single dose, and is NOT stressing to get enough vaccine for everyone to get a second dose. YOu know what happens then....people would stop at the single dose, and that would simply not work to do the job that the 2-step vaccine is supposed to do. Maybe that will change down the road....but not now.

ALL Medical professionals tell us to wear masks. And if we had we might NOT be the country with 4% of the world's population, and over 20% of the covid cases. So, when non medical make these statements, a lot of people are going to try to re-think with no knowledge to "get by" on a single dose. Gottleib's case is different, but unfortunately could have the same effect as DeSantis, since so many Americans, unfortunately, do not listen clearly to the medical professionals.

"DeSantis pointed to an article in The Wall Street Journal — it was an opinion piece written by neuroscientist Michael Segal — about the efficacy of the one-dose approach. DeSantis referred to the second dose as a “booster” shot, echoing Segal’s choice of words."


"DeSantis..... thought the vaccinations would be distributed to the state on a risk-adjusted basis, taking things such as the age of the state’s residents into consideration. That would have boded well for Florida, which has the nation’s second-highest proportion of residents over the age of 65. ....... Instead, the government is allocating the vaccination on a per capita basis."

Gov. DeSantis suggests one dose of Pfizer vaccine may be enough

 

[nightowl1975]

Oh great Ron, just keep putting the citizens of Florida in jeopardy...

DeSantis said Florida will receive less of the supply than what was initially anticipated, so he came up with a possible way to stretch out the state’s inoculations.

Instead of giving two doses, as recommended by the pharmaceutical manufacturer, to high-risk populations such as nursing home residents and front-line hospital workers, perhaps one dose could do, the Governor suggested Friday.

Gov. DeSantis suggests one dose of Pfizer vaccine may be enough

It’s a valid question that I’m sure has no real answer. Are we as a society better off giving twice as many people one dose of vaccine or half as many people two doses of vaccine when the supply is so incredibly low? Does it really even matter on a large scale in terms of virus spread considering how few vaccines we are starting with no matter how we roll it out?

 

[SoCalDavidS]

Intensive care unit beds across Southern California are plummeting to critical levels, with capacity falling to 1% in Ventura County and 0% in Riverside County while Los Angeles County — home to 10 million people — had fewer than 100 beds available.

But the worst of the surge is still to come, experts say. L.A. County has more than 4,400 people hospitalized with COVID-19, and officials said that number could rise to 5,000 by the weekend.

The shortages come as the coronavirus continues to rage across the state. A Los Angeles Times county-by-county tally showed an unprecedented 42,129 cases reported Monday. That number breaks the single-day record set Dec. 8, when 35,400 coronavirus cases were recorded.

L.A. County is so slammed by COVID-19 patients that for certain periods of time on Sunday, 81% of hospitals who receive patients coming from 911 calls were forced to temporarily divert some ambulance patients elsewhere, said Dr. Christina Ghaly, the L.A. County director of health services.

L.A. County has fewer than 100 ICU beds available, with worst still coming, officials say

 

[nhmemorymaker]

It’s a valid question that I’m sure has no real answer. Are we as a society better off giving twice as many people one dose of vaccine or half as many people two doses of vaccine when the supply is so incredibly low? Does it really even matter on a large scale in terms of virus spread considering how few vaccines we are starting with no matter how we roll it out?

We have spent billions and billions and billions on this research and these vaccines. I, personally, feel WE have a responsibility to take these vaccines EXACTLY as the Medical professionals, who are spending these billions to treat us correctly.

Further medical R&D may improve, change or alter protocols down the road........ but I feel we must comply with what is directed now.

I do not believe society should be making that decision. Choice is one thing, but protocol is not our choice.

 

[SouthAussie]

Oh great Ron, just keep putting the citizens of Florida in jeopardy...

DeSantis said Florida will receive less of the supply than what was initially anticipated, so he came up with a possible way to stretch out the state’s inoculations.

Instead of giving two doses, as recommended by the pharmaceutical manufacturer, to high-risk populations such as nursing home residents and front-line hospital workers, perhaps one dose could do, the Governor suggested Friday.

Gov. DeSantis suggests one dose of Pfizer vaccine may be enough

Why bother to give the FL residents any vaccines then? One vaccine at 52% efficacy is not going to stop the pandemic.


Some participants became infected in between taking the first and second doses, highlighting the need to get the second dose (efficacy after just the first dose was only 52%).
Pfizer vaccine final results: it's highly protective – but how long for?

This study found that the vaccine has to have an efficacy of at least 70% to prevent an epidemic and of at least 80% to largely extinguish an epidemic without any other measures (e.g., social distancing).
Vaccine Efficacy Needed for a COVID-19 Coronavirus Vaccine to Prevent or Stop an Epidemic as the Sole Intervention