Crime Scene Photos #3 ***WARNING - GRAPHIC DISCUSSION***

[Woe.be.gone]

TH didn't just fold the chart. After he folded it he stapled it in place so everyone else would be able to see how right he was, later.

I'm lost. Have to go read about TH.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Regarding the skull colorization issue: I am going to a "Search and Rescue" training class this Saturday and was emailed my study materials the other day. One of the subjects deals directly with "bone weathering" and colorization/bleaching of bones. I will copy/paste a portion of the information for you:

One question often raised is how human bones will appear in the landscape. Many expect “bleached” bones (white) that will stand out in the baseline environment. This is
often not the case in a search event.​

Skeletonization is “the removal of soft tissue from bone”.Full skeletonization occurs when all soft tissue is removed from the bone. Partial skeletonization occurs when soft
tissue remains on the skeleton, and only portions of bone are visible. The process of skeletonization can occur quickly or slowly, depending on many variables.​

Researchers note that when a body is buried at depths of more than 4 feet, complete skeletonization may take 2-3 years. In shallow graves (less than 12 inches), this process
takes between 6-12+ months. This is generally true for most regions of North America.​

Behrensmeyer describes five stages of “bone weathering”. That is, the changes to bone over time due to environmental influence (sun, soil type, and weather conditions). In stage one, the bone is still greasy, and often has soft tissue and muscle or ligament attached. Within 6 months of most surface deposits of human remains, most of the soft tissue is gone. Much of the bone bleaching of the bone by the sun, surface cracking, and
other weathering processes (stages 2-5) take a much longer time to appear (months or years).​

There are six recognized and progressive stages of change to bone as a result of weathering.
• Stage 0: The bone surface is typically greasy, and may have skin or tissue connected. The bone surface has no sign of changes due to weathering, such as cracking or flaking.​

• Stage 1: The bone surface shows cracking. This is usually parallel to the fiber structure. Skin and tissue may or may not be present.​

• Stage 2: The bone is beginning to show flaking. This is often seen along areas of cracking, which often separate and flake before other areas.​

• Stage 3: The bone is showing patches of rough, homogenously weathered bone, resulting in a fibrous texture. Weathering does not penetrate deeper than 1.0-1.5 mm, and the bone fibers remain attached to each other.​

• Stage 4: The bone surface is coarsely fibrous and rough in texture, large and small splintering is observed, and may be loose enough to fall away from the bone when moved. Weathering has penetrated into the inner cavities.​

• Stage 5: Bone is falling apart in situ, with splinters laying around the whole, which is fragile and easily broken by moving.​

Wow how timely! Thanks for sharing this here. Just goes to show that what we think we know as novices, ain't always so.

 

[fortytwo]

I'm lost. Have to go read about TH.

TH = Talking Head

Nancy only has just the one, and puts up different screen-on-screen shots to make it look like a crowd.

Her make-up people really earn their money.

 

[Rumpole]

TH = Talking Head

Nancy only has just the one, and puts up different screen-on-screen shots to make it look like a crowd.

Her make-up people really earn their money.

I always though NG was LK in drag?

We don't get CNN

(Even when I watch NG, I don't get it)

 

[Roze]

TH = Talking Head

Nancy only has just the one, and puts up different screen-on-screen shots to make it look like a crowd.

Her make-up people really earn their money.

Actually it's not the make-up, it's the soft-focus camera lense. NG appears to have an ethereal glow. If you dare to watch, compare her skin to her guests' skin. You'll see what I mean.

 

[Theonly1]

It took me a bit before I could see it also. At first I thought it was a bigger part in the photo. Maybe this can help. It is sad for me to type this but the skull looks sort of like a doll's head (face).

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Oh! That's not how I was seeing it. Now I see what you see and that looks too fleshy, if you know what I mean. I think it would be too small. Please forgive me that I'm too lazy to go into photoshop and circle how I'm seeing this. Maybe later I'll get inspired. I've had a HORRIBLE BLOODY day (o/t). :violin:

 

[Theonly1]

Actually it's not the make-up, it's the soft-focus camera lense. NG appears to have an ethereal glow. If you dare to watch, compare her skin to her guests' skin. You'll see what I mean.

O/T:
Hehe. Kind of how Joan Crawford used to have the soft focus effect in her latter years! Didn't they call that greasing the camera lens?

 

[AZlawyer]

Oh! That's not how I was seeing it. Now I see what you see and that looks too fleshy, if you know what I mean. I think it would be too small. Please forgive me that I'm too lazy to go into photoshop and circle how I'm seeing this. Maybe later I'll get inspired. I've had a HORRIBLE BLOODY day (o/t). :violin:

I agree. The smaller area (circled in red somewhere above on this thread) is too small and very weirdly shaped for a skull. It would have to be the larger dark gray area or nothing.

 

[AZlawyer]

Regarding the skull colorization issue: I am going to a "Search and Rescue" training class this Saturday and was emailed my study materials the other day. One of the subjects deals directly with "bone weathering" and colorization/bleaching of bones. I will copy/paste a portion of the information for you:

One question often raised is how human bones will appear in the landscape. Many expect “bleached” bones (white) that will stand out in the baseline environment. This is
often not the case in a search event.​

Skeletonization is “the removal of soft tissue from bone”.Full skeletonization occurs when all soft tissue is removed from the bone. Partial skeletonization occurs when soft
tissue remains on the skeleton, and only portions of bone are visible. The process of skeletonization can occur quickly or slowly, depending on many variables.​

Researchers note that when a body is buried at depths of more than 4 feet, complete skeletonization may take 2-3 years. In shallow graves (less than 12 inches), this process
takes between 6-12+ months. This is generally true for most regions of North America.​

Behrensmeyer describes five stages of “bone weathering”. That is, the changes to bone over time due to environmental influence (sun, soil type, and weather conditions). In stage one, the bone is still greasy, and often has soft tissue and muscle or ligament attached. Within 6 months of most surface deposits of human remains, most of the soft tissue is gone. Much of the bone bleaching of the bone by the sun, surface cracking, and
other weathering processes (stages 2-5) take a much longer time to appear (months or years).​

There are six recognized and progressive stages of change to bone as a result of weathering.
• Stage 0: The bone surface is typically greasy, and may have skin or tissue connected. The bone surface has no sign of changes due to weathering, such as cracking or flaking.​

• Stage 1: The bone surface shows cracking. This is usually parallel to the fiber structure. Skin and tissue may or may not be present.​

• Stage 2: The bone is beginning to show flaking. This is often seen along areas of cracking, which often separate and flake before other areas.​

• Stage 3: The bone is showing patches of rough, homogenously weathered bone, resulting in a fibrous texture. Weathering does not penetrate deeper than 1.0-1.5 mm, and the bone fibers remain attached to each other.​

• Stage 4: The bone surface is coarsely fibrous and rough in texture, large and small splintering is observed, and may be loose enough to fall away from the bone when moved. Weathering has penetrated into the inner cavities.​

• Stage 5: Bone is falling apart in situ, with splinters laying around the whole, which is fragile and easily broken by moving.​

Thanks to you and Bond, I am now back on the fence. Very uncomfortable....

 

[Roze]

O/T:
Hehe. Kind of how Joan Crawford used to have the soft focus effect in her latter years! Didn't they call that greasing the camera lens?

Producing a pale, blurry, youthful, otherworldly glow on an aging TH's face has come a long way from the days of rubbing vasoline on a camera lense. But it's the same concept.

 

[butwhatif?]

It looks like this except the eye socket looks less round because of the downward angle of the camera lense. The teeth are covered with the tape.

If you turn the pictured skull 2/3 of a qtr of a pie further looking to it's left is how the skull sits on the ground. We are viewing the right eye. The skull has a branch sweeping across it's forehead.

Is it in this position, but facing a little toward the left?

 

[Marina2]

It is from a friend at CTV boards, it helps to get a bit of understanding of where stuff was located. It is not perfect, but as close as the docs can get you. Pictures often cause confusion as to perspective, so having this helps.

That's a nice looking map but, just at first glance, I see mistakes.
The Disney bag was found only 1/2 inch behind the skull and 9 inches to the right. It should be included in the area A oval. (pgs 3396, 3480)
This map has it out of area A, a couple of feet behind and a couple of feet to the right (W) of the skull.

The pink blanket is located wrong.
"A pink blanket was observed in the woods directly east of the main scene area from which the skull had been collected, west of the baseline in the area of 18 to 21 feet south along the baseline". (p.3423)
This map has it SE of the main scene area and 23 feet south along the baseline.

I agree that a lot of work must have gone into that map and it's good for generalities but it's not as close as the documents get. Those two items I noticed just at first glance so I'm sure there's many more.

If you want to be precise you just have to read the documents yourself to get the correct measurements. If you just want a general idea then this is a great tool. Thanks to whoever took the time to make it.

 

[Theonly1]

I think this is too big to insert

THANK YOU for this map!

 

[fortytwo]

Actually it's not the make-up, it's the soft-focus camera lense. NG appears to have an ethereal glow. If you dare to watch, compare her skin to her guests' skin. You'll see what I mean.

That's another straight line I should get a cookie for passing on.

Several, actually.

 

[BuffaloPI]

It does raise a question in my mind pertaining to this thread, though.

If that skull was round and white in August, why was it black when discovered? If that is the skull in the crime scene photo.....

The skull would not have been white. Bones left out in the sun in the desert end up sort of bleached white, but not bones in a florida swamp.

Click here to see a muddy skeleton(kinda graphic, btw), this will give you a better idea of the color of bones you are looking for in these crime scene photos.

 

[BuffaloPI]

Btw, another thing to look for in the pic is the duct tape. If you magnify the picture, you will notice that the natural surroundings do not reflect light, but you will see some silvery strips above, to the side, and below the object in question, reflecting a bit of light. This is the duct tape, kind of steely gray, and reflecting a bit of light.

 

[fortytwo]

Btw, another thing to look for in the pic is the duct tape. If you magnify the picture, you will notice that the natural surroundings do not reflect light, but you will see some silvery strips above, to the side, and below the object in question, reflecting a bit of light. This is the duct tape, kind of steely gray, and reflecting a bit of light.

Is this the "worn" part that's reflecting?

 

[5stars]

Why are we looking for the skull?The DA said they didn't want Caylee remains pictures public ,and went to court for JB would'nt put them out for sale.

 

[capps]

Why are we looking for the skull?The DA said they didn't want Caylee remains pictures public ,and went to court for JB would'nt put them out for sale.

IIRC,that was for the autopsy photos.Just the same,we won't find a photo of the skull from the crime scene,for the same reason they are not giving us photos of all the other bones that were found.In respect for Caylee and the rest of the family.

 

[fortytwo]

Why are we looking for the skull?The DA said they didn't want Caylee remains pictures public ,and went to court for JB would'nt put them out for sale.

Because the book, the umbrella, the kitty, and the pixies have been getting lonely.