Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #6

[Shaymus at The Rock]

easily make that legal argument. At the time RC failed to return the children to their mother his paternity had not been established and thus he had NO legal right to those children. CS gave him permission to take the children for a set period of time. He had kept them for three months by the time the hearing occurred. If she had any clue she should have gone to court when he failed to return them.

He did not go to court just seeking custody as there would have been no basis to do so as paternity had not been established. This was the motion he brought "PETITION TO DETERMINE PATERNITY AND RELATED RELIEF". Until paternity was established the mother is the only legal parent of the minor children and the only person who has legal custody.

Of course, IMO the whole "trip" was just a setup concocted by RC & TN to set a pretty stage for custody. Let CS think you're away, move in with Mommy, get a job, and run to court. Not rocket science but good system manipulation.

So you think there was no trip to Texas for a job, boytwnmom ? I wondered what possible reason an employer would send Ron there, an infant and toddler in tow.

And, the magistrate did not follow up on the alleged trip to Texas just as he did not follow up on the daycare issue. Sad.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I've always been under the impression that she was the one that had the 2nd hearing put in place so she could try to get custody, after missing the first hearing. To me, that says she did want custody of them...

We can agree to disagree on that.

 

[cajun]

Haleigh was not being protected like she should have been. Can anyone imagine how Crystal feels? A teenager was given the rights to her children for their care and protection. I know that many here would have done exactly what she has done and fight to get Butterbean...to protect him.

Fight to get Jr? No one's filed for custody in the last 6 months, I don't know what kind of fighting you think she is doing. Also, why would she not file for custody of Haleigh? Giving a bunch of bogus complaints to DCF is not fighting for your kids.

 

[nomoresorrow]

easily make that legal argument. At the time RC failed to return the children to their mother his paternity had not been established and thus he had NO legal right to those children. CS gave him permission to take the children for a set period of time. He had kept them for three months by the time the hearing occurred. If she had any clue she should have gone to court when he failed to return them.

He did not go to court just seeking custody as there would have been no basis to do so as paternity had not been established. This was the motion he brought "PETITION TO DETERMINE PATERNITY AND RELATED RELIEF". Until paternity was established the mother is the only legal parent of the minor children and the only person who has legal custody.

Of course, IMO the whole "trip" was just a setup concocted by RC & TN to set a pretty stage for custody. Let CS think you're away, move in with Mommy, get a job, and run to court. Not rocket science but good system manipulation.

:clap::clap::clap: Boytwnmom very insightful analysis!

 

[cajun]

I think it helps to know the basic facts if you are going to argue a point, doesn't it?

I am hoping some of Crystal's supporters can come up with what Crystal was supposed to be doing during the time the children were with Ronald initially. I would like to know more about her during that period of time and have some perspective on how it relates with her behavior after Ronald gained custody.

Was she out partying every night? How many bfs did she have during that time? How many bfs has she had total? Were they allowed around the children? Was she looking for a job or was she working? Who was providing for the children before she allowed Ronald to take them to Texas?

That's when she had a new man in her life as stated by Marie in the court records. Plus, some of his court papers were sent to Mud Lake Rd.

 

[cajun]

Just as it was wrong for Crystal to not get the kids to the doctor, it was wrong of Ronald to not take Haleigh to the doctor those times she was ill enough to miss school.

IMO a responsible custodial parent values an education for their children, and also understands that rules need to be followed. These days, kindergarten is about like first grade was to us. They are much more advanced now, and it's really important that the child not get behind.


My heart goes out to Haleigh. I fear she never had a chance. :beats:

I can't think of one time my kids were home sick from school, which was rarely, they went to the doctor. That's why so many people are antibiotic resistant now is every time someone gets a sniffle they run to the doctor for antibiotics. That's what your immune system is for.

 

[cajun]

The IGNORE feature is an awesome tool, I suggest some utilize it! ​

I don't even know where the ignore feature is after all these years :crazy:

 

[Tom'sGirl]

I don't even know where the ignore feature is after all these years :crazy:

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[cajun]

Can anyone list the reasons you believe Crystal is involved in the crime?

Sure can't. No one has said Crystal is involved in the crime. Ya'll keep bringing that up but I've never seen one person say that as of yet.

 

[nomoresorrow]

I am resigned to the fact that RC will raise Butterbean. It is sad. I do wish it wasn't so but there is nothing that can be done about it.

So, It is done ...... for now.

To stay on topic, it would be helpful for the people who know this case and don't support Crystal, to explain their reasons for believing CS is involved in the disappearance of Haleigh. Are there theories that you still hold on to and can you present facts to support your reasoning.

I'm afraid to say that I agree but only until LE has enough to name him and/or Misty a suspect(s). I strongly believe that day will come, it will come sooner rather than later and Crystal will be vindicated of any involvement. I pray (I can't say that enough) that Crystal takes this time to run, don't walk, run and get all the help that she can from a good mental health professional and to do everything she can to work on herself so she is ready and able to meet the challanges that lay ahead!
Crystal, hold your head up high and remember, you can fight without fighting dirty!

JMO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

That's when she had a new man in her life as stated by Marie in the court records. Plus, some of his court papers were sent to Mud Lake Rd.

Ah, OK! Now it is starting to make some sense...a new squeeze is what she was doing and the reason behind her letting the children go with Ronald to Texas!! (Yes, I really believe he did go to Texas with the children to work until someone can prove otherwise.)

Boytwnmom, why didn't the court rip those children away from him, file charges on him for "stealing" them, and give them back to Crystal when they realized he had no right to them?! Why didn't Crystal call LE and have him arrested if what he did was illegal?! Hmmm...evidently the court must have determined he had a legal standing or they would have done that very thing.

 

[luvmygarden]

FYI, according to the school policy, "appointments" (doctor's appointments included, I assume) are considered UNEXCUSED absences. So, whichever parent who had physical custody at the time of a doctor's appointment scheduled during school hours would be responsible for an unexcused absence EVEN THOUGH they were, IMO, doing the best for the child by taking her to the doctor.

What I am wondering about with the distance that Crystal lived and a school day why are the appointments so darn early in the morning?
I wonder if Ron could have made them after school Then all this wouldn't have been a problem especially if these appts. were missed while she was pregnant.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm afraid to say that I agree but only until LE has enough to name him and/or Misty a suspect(s). I strongly believe that day will come, it will come sooner rather than later and Crystal will be vindicated of any involvement. I pray (I can't say that enough) that Crystal takes this time to run, don't walk, run and get all the help that she can from a good mental health professional and to do everything she can to work on herself so she is ready and able to meet the challanges that lay ahead!
Crystal, hold your head up high and remember, you can fight without fighting dirty!

JMO

I think this advice comes far too late. She already played as dirty as you can get by all her vicious lies against Ronald, imo.

She should have had help from a good mental health professional years ago, imo. Around the time her mother was convicted of running a drug dwelling would have been an appropriate time to begin seeing a counselor and she may not be where she is today.

I also strongly believe the day will come when Ronald and Misty will be cleared and it would be good if Crystal is found to have nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance. I wish I could say I was confident she wasn't involved and neither was her family...but at this time...I cannot.

There must be a good reason why Crystal and her side haven't been cleared yet. If LE thinks they are so innocent...then why aren't they saying it?

BBM

 

[harleysnana]

Florida Child Custody Laws
http://www.troumandwallsh.com/family/child-custody/
During child custody proceedings, the court will consider a number of factors,
to determine the best interest and welfare of the child. These factors may
include the love, affection, and other emotional ties existing between the
parents and the child; the mental health, physical health, and morality of the
parents; and-- most important of all--which parent is more likely to allow
contact between the child and the secondary residential parent.

Who Can Get Custody
Generally, both parents can get sole/shared parental responsibility and time-
sharing in Florida. The court will not show a preference for the mother over
the father. It is the public policy in Florida to assure that children have
frequent and continuing contact with both parents and that both parents
should be encouraged to share the rights and responsibilities and joys of child
rearing.
http://www.womenslaw.org/laws_state_type.php?id=115&state_code=FL&open_id=11025#content-13181

Also, if you are filing a petition for an injunction for protection against
domestic violence, you can ask for temporary custody of your
child in your petition. However, any custody order that you get would expire
when the injunction expires.

Wonder why Crystal didn't do the part I marked bold?
I mean... since she was afraid of Ron and all....

 

[Whisperer]

Still on custody issues here?

Hang in there Crystal...

 

[Busylady]

Haleigh was not in school at the time, and she did not live in Baker County at the time the Drs appointments were missed well except for the JR appointment.

What I am wondering about with the distance that Crystal lived and a school day why are the appointments so darn early in the morning?
I wonder if Ron could have made them after school Then all this wouldn't have been a problem especially if these appts. were missed while she was pregnant.

 

[Elphaba]

I hope to hear that Crystal is making an emergency filing for custody, given that Ron is sitting in jail with a serious charge hanging over his head.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

He will be out by noon, I hope. This charge has nothing to do with Rj unless he was in the middle of it which I doubt since it happened way after his bedtime. I think it is a trumped up charge and will probably be dismissed. It shouldn't affect custody.

 

[Busylady]

RJ is in Baker County until the weekend so he would not of been at the home when this happened.

He will be out by noon, I hope. This charge has nothing to do with Rj unless he was in the middle of it which I doubt since it happened way after his bedtime. I think it is a trumped up charge and will probably be dismissed. It shouldn't affect custody.

 

[impatientredhead]

He will be out by noon, I hope. This charge has nothing to do with Rj unless he was in the middle of it which I doubt since it happened way after his bedtime. I think it is a trumped up charge and will probably be dismissed. It shouldn't affect custody.

So if Crystal was in jail with a first degree felony, a violent one, hanging over head it wouldn't be a reflection of character, judgement, or parental ability? As long as her kid didn't witness the event it shouldn't be used against her in a custody hearing?