CT- Annie Le, missing from Yale, thread #4 FOUND DECEASED

[TonyGatto]

http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/new_ha...e_identify_suspect_in_yale_death_200909141309

Sources tell ABC News the suspect failed a lie detector test, and has what were described as defensive wounds. Police sources also tell ABC News the bloody clothes found above ceiling tiles belonged to the likely killer.

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OK, so we have a dead body ID'ed as Annie, a failed polygraph, defensive wounds, and bloody clothes. Not sufficient for probable cause to detain a suspect who might flee? How can they be so sure that he/she won't proceed to do more harm?

NO we Don't have all that. These are unconfirmed reports in the media. The only part of what you've posted that we know is the positive ID. How do you know they are not detaining a suspect. How do you know that the suspect is free but they are keeping close tabs on him/her?

 

[Emma Peel]

per the reporter on the ground on FOX with S.Smith, ME is not releasing COD to protect the investigation.

Thanks everybody watching!

Have they explicitly said that they have determined COD?
(I can wait for follow up reporting - it's just a question I have...)

I guess my thinking is: if the body was NOT in identifiable condition when removed from the wall, the body may have been altered post-mortem, and COD may not be determinable. Or further testing might be required for COD.

I do hope they HAVE determined COD. I'm anxious to know that.

I understand LE not sharing it to protect the investigation, so, I also realize we might not know for a while.

I think the manner in which this body was disposed might come into play in terms of "opportunity" when looking at the suspect(s).

"knowledge of facility &/or knowledge of lab equipment"

- premeditated? (I know exactly what to do when I kill her - I have a well-thought out means of disposal)

vs.

- passion (I am upset and I'm speaking with her today as soon as she shows up.)

Just thinking out loud. MOO.

 

[Kat]

I have to run some errands but before I go, Four or Five days (IIRC it was about five days?) of decomp, even without knowing the environmental stats in which a body is kept, is pretty far into the decomp stage. That alone might have made it difficult to identify her 100% without checking prints or dentals etc...KWIM?

At any rate, I hope that by this time tomorrow they have arrested the individual responsible for Annie's murder and justice for her death has begun.

Have a good day all.

 

[TonyGatto]

on the 8th they opened the missing persons case... then yesterday at ten (forty..right LOL having blonde moment) they converted the case to the homicide... they had to log the opening of the new case.... hope that makes sense :blowkiss: if you are blonde too Jersey we will make a good team LOL

Sorry I ever posted this. It's just the first time they entered it into the report. STOP.

 

[SuziQ]

Wasn't she in an autoclave?

NO. That was speculation. I highly doubt she was. It would have created a 90lb mess of unbelievable purportions. I can't imagine her body would be able to be moved and hidden after that.

 

[Chanler]

http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/new_ha...e_identify_suspect_in_yale_death_200909141309

Sources tell ABC News the suspect failed a lie detector test, and has what were described as defensive wounds. Police sources also tell ABC News the bloody clothes found above ceiling tiles belonged to the likely killer.

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OK, so we have a dead body ID'ed as Annie, a failed polygraph, defensive wounds, and bloody clothes. Not sufficient for probable cause to detain a suspect who might flee? How can they be so sure that he/she won't proceed to do more harm?

I think that the comment that no one in New Haven is in danger is related to some sort of round-the-clock surveillance. And it's possible that he's not in New Haven. [my bold-face]:

Citing unidentified sources, NBC News and ABC News reported the suspect has defensive wounds and failed a lie detector test. NBC reported the suspect is a student, but not necessarily one who attends the Connecticut university.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/body-found-at-yale-id-d-as-annie-le-s-1.1445629

Much of the caution might be blamed or credited to history: The last big Yale homicide case was seriously botched when the police made statements that were premature.

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

Obviously the killer wasn't a brilliant mind when it came to this crime - video cameras everywhere, limited access to the building, hiding the bloody clothes in the building, etc. If it was pre-meditated, it wasn't thought out very well imo.

R.I.P. Annie. You were such a beautiful, intelligent woman. I am sorry this happened to you, especially when you should've been celebrating your wedding and laughing with your new husband.

 

[Kimster]

I think that the comment that no one in New Haven is in danger is related to some sort of round-the-clock surveillance. And it's possible that he's not in New Haven. [my bold-face]:

Citing unidentified sources, NBC News and ABC News reported the suspect has defensive wounds and failed a lie detector test. NBC reported the suspect is a student, but not necessarily one who attends the Connecticut university.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/body-found-at-yale-id-d-as-annie-le-s-1.1445629

Much of the caution might be blamed or credited to history: The last big Yale homicide case was seriously botched when the police made statements that were premature.

Excuse me for my ignorance on this subject, but are students from other universities allowed access to Yale labs?

 

[Trino]

I think that the comment that no one in New Haven is in danger is related to some sort of round-the-clock surveillance. And it's possible that he's not in New Haven. [my bold-face]:

Citing unidentified sources, NBC News and ABC News reported the suspect has defensive wounds and failed a lie detector test. NBC reported the suspect is a student, but not necessarily one who attends the Connecticut university.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/body-found-at-yale-id-d-as-annie-le-s-1.1445629

Much of the caution might be blamed or credited to history: The last big Yale homicide case was seriously botched when the police made statements that were premature.

The suspect doesn't attend Yale but could get into a secure facility? So much for building security.

 

[nursebeeme]

NO we Don't have all that. These are unconfirmed reports in the media. The only part of what you've posted that we know is the positive ID. How do you know they are not detaining a suspect. How do you know that the suspect is free but they are keeping close tabs on him/her?

thanks puffy,
What we know:

1- she left all her items at sterling.

2- she walked to 10 Amistad and swiped in (that is from LE.. whether we could see her doing it in the video still or not)

3- she was seen by overhead surv. still entering the building carrying an unidentified (and le will not comment on it) object and her yale ID

4- there was an alarm at 1240 in the building... she was not seen leaving the building. there are 75 cameras on and around the building. It was triggered by steam. It is possible that someone did it on purpose (per le statement to the media)
**autoclave = sleuthing possibilities of source of steam

5- one of her two housemates reported her missing at 9pm

6- bloody clothes were found in the ceiling tiles of the basement. The fabric did not match the clothing Annie last had on.

7- Annie was found in an area behind the wall of the basement where the electrical wires are.

8- her death was a homicide

9- cause of death may be released tomorrow at three pm

10- there are no suspects or persons of interest. no one is in custody. LE states that no students are involved in the investigation. LE, to the yale daily news said that the reports of a student failing a poly were absolutely false. (we all know LE can say what they need to... to maintain the integrity of the investigation)

* if I left anything out please add it... eyes did a much better outline which I need to go and find...

 

[Labrat]

We dont know yet but labrat has good 1st hand knowledge posted. it is a good possibility that she was in a large red bag. go back and read labrat posts i dont want to misquote or remember wrong in relaying it.

Oh no. I mentioned an autoclave back when it was reported that a piece of equipment released steam that triggered the fire alarm. A lot of discussion and speculation followed, but there is absolutely no reason to believe that any of that is factual at all. People were just hashing out different scenarios.

I think we will very shortly find out what actually happened.

Does any one think that maybe now LE uses a DNA test as ID? Maybe they wait for that to come back as "confirmation" even when they know who it is by other means?

 

[Emma Peel]

NO. That was speculation. I highly doubt she was. It would have created a 90lb mess of unbelievable purportions. I can't imagine her body would be able to be moved and hidden after that.

Agreed.

However, yesterday we had contributions from a lab-worker or two that one can Autoclave in a autoclave bag for ease of cleanup purposes. And yes it's total speculation. And, obviously I'm assuming our contributing posters regarding autoclaving were real lab workers and not pulling our legs! :crazy:

 

[nursebeeme]

Excuse me for my ignorance on this subject, but are students from other universities allowed access to Yale labs?

I have no clue... lol... that is why when I posted that link I added the large grain of salt warning:crazy:

 

[awakewriter]

Has anyone gone over media photos from the last several days to see if anyone has obvious signs of defensive wounds?

 

[TonyGatto]

I like the student not from Yale idea cause that would explain the different reporting on whether it is a student.

 

[Kimster]

IF the perp is not a student at Yale...maybe she let him/her in? Can they punch a button from a lab room and open an outside door for someone? Maybe the perp said he/she wanted to give her a wedding present?

All of this is pure speculation on my part and NOT from the media.

 

[Toi]

Oh no. I mentioned an autoclave back when it was reported that a piece of equipment released steam that triggered the fire alarm. A lot of discussion and speculation followed, but there is absolutely no reason to believe that any of that is factual at all. People were just hashing out different scenarios.

I think we will very shortly find out what actually happened.

Does any one think that maybe now LE uses a DNA test as ID? Maybe they wait for that to come back as "confirmation" even when they know who it is by other means?

Tks Labrat! I still wonder about the steam letting out and the fire alarm going off. Tks for your insight and thoughts.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Sorry I ever posted this. It's just the first time they entered it into the report. STOP.

Puffster, why in the world would you be sorry you ever posted this? This is how we figure things out...even if it seems trivial to you. Smile and quit getting your panties/boxers in a bunch Trust me, that's a joke...please smile sugar :blowkiss:

 

[Emma Peel]

Excuse me for my ignorance on this subject, but are students from other universities allowed access to Yale labs?

The lab building is staffed with whoever they've hired to work there. Some are Yale grad students, some are Yale faculty. Some of the workers could be students (even night students) elsewhere. Why not?

I wouldn't think it would be out of the question.

It's about access and timing.

Except, if folks hold doors open for eachother after a single swipe, you really can't know who went into what area on which swipe, can you?

It's easy, but ... not so easy.

I have a feeling video will be key here.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

on the 8th they opened the missing persons case... then yesterday at ten (forty..right LOL having blonde moment) they converted the case to the homicide... they had to log the opening of the new case.... hope that makes sense :blowkiss: if you are blonde too Jersey we will make a good team LOL

Thank you...and you're too funny, but no, I'm a brunette