Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #14 *ARRESTS*

[CarefullyTaught]

I don't know the answer to this but I wonder with the FD personality type if they are at risk for self harm or harm to others? My suspicion is not because in their minds they never do anything wrong so live as perpetual victims of others errors. But I am curious if the stress simply becomes overwhelming would FD be at risk of self harm or harm to others? Is he a danger the the public in any way? The court didn't address this and the State didn't bring it up but I wonder if they were wrong not to?

Excellent point @afitzy and I think you’re absolutely right.

It’s one of many reasons I suspect that MT wants to stay away from FD, the 2010 LR driver so far as I know has yet to resurface, the court in the divorce case iirc had FD surrender his handgun, reportedly security hired to protect victims, snitches get stitches.

I won’t speculate about why divorce etc proceedings weren’t proceeding with more assertive bench engagement to hold accountable FD for foot dragging and evidence stashing, but this type of client/litigant/defendant/human fits the profile of a person who simply cannot respect a ruling or allow an adversary to prevail in even the most modest ways and imo would scare the bleep out of me.

I wish any charges could just be filed or the conditions of bond infractions more seriously considered for revocation. I feel FD is a threat to everybody. He totally fits the profile. He’ll explode before he ever implodes imo

 

[Twistinginthewind]

He came home around 8 pm after Albany Avenue. Checked mail box. On video. So that same camera would have picked up him leaving again. Whether later that night or the next morning. That next morning he also went to NY to get the kids? and was not allowed to see them. So. When was he in NY at GF’s home? Pinging off cell towers? Time it took to drive there and back? Pinging all the way? Any unaccounted for time on Saturday after she went missing?

BBM: Not necesaarily, IMO. There were articles in MSM this week about LE focusing on the possibility of FD having left "out the back door" of one or more properties he lived in and/or owned during crucial timeframes that would not have been recorded on the home video camera that showed him checking his mail at the front of the one property. FD's lawyer this week even is quoted in MSM referring to there not being video that 'proved FD left the property via the back entrance of either properties', but who knows what is hyperbole vs. otherwise. JMO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

So, if CI body is JD, where could/would it have been dropped to arrive in CI waters? I suppose to narrow it down between NC and CI? Or is that totally not possible?

The Hudson River, less than an hour from NC and directly upriver from CI. Maps posted upthread.

 

[afitzy]

Excellent point @afitzy and I think you’re absolutely right.

It’s one of many reasons I suspect that MT wants to stay away from FD, the 2010 LR driver so far as I know has yet to resurface, the court in the divorce case iirc had FD surrender his handgun, reportedly security hired to protect victims, snitches get stitches.

I won’t speculate about why divorce etc proceedings weren’t proceeding with more assertive bench engagement to hold accountable FD for foot dragging and evidence stashing, but this type of client/litigant/defendant/human fits the profile of a person who simply cannot respect a ruling or allow an adversary to prevail in even the most modest ways and imo would scare the bleep out of me.

I wish any charges could just be filed or the conditions of bond infractions more seriously considered for revocation. I feel FD is a threat to everybody. He totally fits the profile. He’ll explode before he ever implodes imo

Yes, totally see what you are saying and its a bit like the mini tantrum he threw when the Fox61 news team didn't leave the area after he tried to be 'nice' to them. We saw the tension setting in and then he just seemed to explode. I think the more we see of him and the more the family court documents hit the press that others will see what JD was trying to describe to the court about FD.

I just hope nobody gets hurt while he is out on bail and that LE are closely monitoring him and his interactions with people.

 

[afitzy]

The Hudson River, less than an hour from NC and directly upriver from CI. Maps posted upthread.

We have seen other cases where bodies dropped at GW Bridge don't make it all the way down the river due to obstructions and they sometimes end up on the West Side river banks or NJ banks. There is a good amt of traffic in the Hudson and small boats are moored along the boat basin area etc. It would be an interesting question to see if it would be possible to drop a body sized object into the Hudson in the middle of the river from the area around GW Bridge and see if it ever made it to the mouth of the river around the South Ferry area.

 

[citygirl]

Are you asking if a body dumped in Long Island Sound could end up on Coney Island in pieces?

Not MW MOM here but that was my frame of reference

You are probably correct but dumping bodies in NYC waters has a long history and has been well used in crimes of the past (with mostly mixed results I believe). NYC waters are rough on bodies making ID difficult if bodies are left in the water for any period of time.

Who is to say the the perp in JD case instead of driving north decided to drive south towards NYC instead. The Hudson River moves quickly and if a body dumped say at the GW Bridge doesn't hit any obstacles (not smart for perp to assume this as Hudson has many obstructions and a body sometimes washes up along the shore on the West Side) but could be in open water at some point and never be found if the perp is very lucky.

The thing is that we have zero info this point on which direction the perp headed when leaving NC. We have seen more searching in Hartford than NC so LE must have some CCTV to support this search plan but we have seen no announcement of a body found unfortunately. We also don't know if any other parties are involved. We will have to wait and see.

Sorry just read this this morning and realized my comment was rather curt. I apologize. T'wasn't meant that way.

I have been set on there being no accomplice other than MT. LI Sound came to mind but it didn't make sense.
Never considered the N.Y angle and the Hudson River.

I really appreciate all your posts and the research you do.

 

[enelram]

It’s only anecdotal experience so MOO but I see many jobs in those areas come through the headhunter/job boards for presumably good pay. MOO, not everyone wishes to work so far from the US or his or her native country. I’ve known people who have done so and made a great deal of money. The people I’ve known who did (meaning I don’t know about the vast majority) were less averse to taking risks than others might be and most did it for a limited time. So who knows with her but maybe she did work there. Or not!

I have a different take on MT's work history oversees in the Middle East. Typically females who work in and around horse therapy groups are doing it as sort of a fun, volunteer activity because they enjoy horsey activities and gives them some activity
to do w/ horses and still help needy people.
My thoughts have always been that MT does go after serious
athletic guys who seem to have money.
The middle east is filled w/ wealthy sheiks and their families
who own and enjoy race horses both locally and in US.
My guess is she met one in US around the racing circles in
South Fl. and was invited to accompany him home to Middle
East and she could get involved in a volunteer position in horse
therapy. I believe she was a concubine for one of these wealthy
horse owners. Would also fit with her attraction to the hard driving, narcissistic, macho men who happen to appear wealthy.
The stint at ESPM was short term and came from her connection
w/ world class snow skiing through her ex baby daddy.
It seems she's good at meeting men and leveraging her romantic
affiliations w/ positions connected to these men.

 

[hivee]

Now, why can't Rich Rochlin do all the speaking for NP?

Much better.

I love that he dodged the question about FD showing any feelings that he misses his ex-wife or is hoping that she is found alive.

Attorney just says the he would Think that FD feels that way.

Wow, they really paint FD as the victim. Even saying how JD “left unexpectedly to NY with the kids.”
She was fleeing an abusive husband, which she has every right to do.

 

[enelram]

The time that MT spent in the Middle East bothers me. All of the countries mentioned have laws and culture that seriously demean women. Western women who accept positions in these countries are taking a risk, IMO, as by and large there is little respect for females. MT had a child with an former Olympic/professional skier. She was in a relationship with a married man and she was aware of his status. IMOO she was making some really unfortunate and dangerous decisions for herself and her daughter. I certainly don't "know" her, but the information we have definitely makes me question "why" she has made the career and personal choices she has made. What is her personal need to put herself in relationships with men that are athletic, rich, and appear to be chauvinistic?

The simple answer: She and FD are both adrenaline junkies.
they both have an inner need for high risk exciting activities.

this is pretty common with many high level athletes. They're
so accustomed to having their endorphins running on high
that it spills over into their remaining life activities. And we
know from studies some people naturally gravitate towards
high risk activities because it feeds their psyches.

Women who are enamored by horse activities are in this group.
Serious horsewomen are some of the strongest women you'll ever
meet, both physically and emotionally.

Men who are adenaline junkies may become long distance runners, tri-athletes, professional athletes, and then we need
to look at what's been called high testosterone men and the
activities they engage in....race car drivers, cops, etc.

So in that vein FD and MT are similar both adrenaline junkies,
but I still contend MT is a third tier female when it comes to
her believing in equality between the sexes.
She accepts men who treat women as second class citizens.
Remember she spent much of her youth in South America so
it's not a stretch to believe she could handle the Middle East
for a while. Long term? No, but she was seeking a wealthy
sheik or cousin in Dubai, IMO.
MT is just a higher class golddigger.

 

[Eli9]

This is a general law question, but do criminal defense attnys ever ask their client if they did it or not, or is it just an elephant in the room kind of thing?
In this case, is NP asking FD questions/is FD required to tell NP anything?

NP was asked that question during his radio interview with Chaz and AJ.
NP responded that he doesn't typically ask, that instead he tries to get an understanding of the clients position and interests as well as what they are trying to protect. He then evaluates the risks involved and provides counsel about what the law is likely to do in certain circumstances.

 

[sleuth66]

Excellent point @afitzy and I think you’re absolutely right.

It’s one of many reasons I suspect that MT wants to stay away from FD, the 2010 LR driver so far as I know has yet to resurface, the court in the divorce case iirc had FD surrender his handgun, reportedly security hired to protect victims, snitches get stitches.

I won’t speculate about why divorce etc proceedings weren’t proceeding with more assertive bench engagement to hold accountable FD for foot dragging and evidence stashing, but this type of client/litigant/defendant/human fits the profile of a person who simply cannot respect a ruling or allow an adversary to prevail in even the most modest ways and imo would scare the bleep out of me.

I wish any charges could just be filed or the conditions of bond infractions more seriously considered for revocation. I feel FD is a threat to everybody. He totally fits the profile. He’ll explode before he ever implodes imo

Just a small correction here, FD voluntarily surrendered his gun to the police department, the court did not require that of him. They called him to get it back some time later, and he never did, probably because he did not have a permit for it. Apparently the gun is still in the possession of the police department.

Not to distract from the fact that he had the gun, purchased it in FL and brought it to CT without a permit, and cornered JD violently when she expressed her concern about it. One of the biggest risk factors for narcissistic husbands who kill their wives is whether they own a gun or not. It's one of the first questions DV advocates ask women who are trying to leave narcissistic husbands.

 

[merrymary]

https://trib.al/Kc0LsyD I want it to be her and not at the same time .

Hmmm.....and where is MT right now? Just sayin......

 

[MrFixit]

While I understand Billy Bob is not likely to live in Elitesville, which I truly think that most of America pictures the NE as Camelot-Esque . Multi million dollar estates , lake houses , private schools , nannies , trust funds, ties to 5th avenue . This case does much to bolster that opinion . Which isn’t necessarily a bad one. However , I think the community truly disliked FD saw him as a gold digging playboy and I don’t disagree at all with the perception actually I agree with it . My question and you locals pretty much answered what I suspected , that this type of big nationalized case is definitely NOT what these residents want far from it . I personally would never talk to media about a neighbor and I live in tract home central with zero lot line . We know a lot about each other ... but I’ll never tell. Unless I think you’re a murderer then I’ll sing like a canary ... to the authorities

True, and even Albany Ave people didn’t report all the bags of obvious blood in their trash, and the Fed Ex box put in the storm drain. That was put there during daylight where the apartments are on top of each other and up against the road. Had they called the police anytime in those 4 days before the garbage was collected we’d be soo much further along right now. That area doesn’t call police though because of gang activity.
The media is keeping the LE accountable, and the media gives them nudges to keep them going. I don’t want this to turn into a cold case so I’ll take the negative attention for our neighborhoods for as long as it takes to see this through.

 

[sleuth66]

I don't know the answer to this but I wonder with the FD personality type if they are at risk for self harm or harm to others? My suspicion is not because in their minds they never do anything wrong so live as perpetual victims of others errors. But I am curious if the stress simply becomes overwhelming would FD be at risk of self harm or harm to others? Is he a danger the the public in any way? The court didn't address this and the State didn't bring it up but I wonder if they were wrong not to?

The danger with this type of malignant narcissist is when the narcissistic supply is taken away. They need constant attention, which comes from wife, children, mistresses, sports successes, big flashy homes, etc. You can see how this worked with FD- first his control over JD, then MT, his waterskiing and snow skiing, the way he made his children extensions of himself through their water-skiing championships and titles (by the age of 6 the boys were nationally ranked in waterskiing), his lavish travel and parties, and of course, the material representation of his big self, the houses that he "designed" and built. The current lack of supportive friends and community is further proof of how hollow all of this was, how much his relationships and connections were just forms of narcissistic supply rather than actual, empathic connections to others.

Now FD has had his narcissistic supply abruptly removed, without access to MT, kids, he can't even waterski given his GPS anklet. NP is serving his need for narcissist supply in some manner, which is actually what draws NP to FD, and FDs opportunity for media coverage and "poor me" appearances are probably helping somewhat. Thus the push by his lawyers to get FDs friends and relatives in there quick, to prop up and provide some small amount of narcissistic supply to FD.
LE is probably hoping that through FDs isolation they can push him to reveal something. But this is unlikely because narcissists like FD don't see themselves as perpetrators, but as victims. They don't take responsibility, and we see this again and again with the media appearances, that JD took the children and left without informing him, without his permission.
The judge even said as much when she sent FD to therapy in the divorce case. When JDs lawyer in court suggested that FD needed to take responsibility, to "look in the mirror," FDs reply was literal and telling; he said, "I've been looking in the mirror for 8 months now". In the Greek myth of Narcissus, he looks in a pool of water and sees his reflection, and believing it to be the most beautiful thing ever yet unattainable he turns into a flower (or different variations here) because he cannot have this thing that he wants most.

 

[Chessman]

It looks like law enforcement will not be releasing the CCTV record for a while now: Jennifer Dulos case: Police refuse to release videos of trash bag dumping

 

[Caroline Lago]

The danger with this type of malignant narcissist is when the narcissistic supply is taken away. They need constant attention, which comes from wife, children, mistresses, sports successes, big flashy homes, etc. You can see how this worked with FD- first his control over JD, then MT, his waterskiing and snow skiing, the way he made his children extensions of himself through their water-skiing championships and titles (by the age of 6 the boys were nationally ranked in waterskiing), his lavish travel and parties, and of course, the material representation of his big self, the houses that he "designed" and built. The current lack of supportive friends and community is further proof of how hollow all of this was, how much his relationships and connections were just forms of narcissistic supply rather than actual, empathic connections to others.

Now FD has had his narcissistic supply abruptly removed, without access to MT, kids, he can't even waterski given his GPS anklet. NP is serving his need for narcissist supply in some manner, which is actually what draws NP to FD, and FDs opportunity for media coverage and "poor me" appearances are probably helping somewhat. Thus the push by his lawyers to get FDs friends and relatives in there quick, to prop up and provide some small amount of narcissistic supply to FD.
LE is probably hoping that through FDs isolation they can push him to reveal something. But this is unlikely because narcissists like FD don't see themselves as perpetrators, but as victims. They don't take responsibility, and we see this again and again with the media appearances, that JD took the children and left without informing him, without his permission.
The judge even said as much when she sent FD to therapy in the divorce case. When JDs lawyer in court suggested that FD needed to take responsibility, to "look in the mirror," FDs reply was literal and telling; he said, "I've been looking in the mirror for 8 months now". In the Greek myth of Narcissus, he looks in a pool of water and sees his reflection, and believing it to be the most beautiful thing ever yet unattainable he turns into a flower (or different variations here) because he cannot have this thing that he wants most.

Very well written! NP and FD fuel each other's narcissism. NP knows FD is guilty, but he's so full of himself, he actually believes he will create doubt which is all he needs to do. FD is playing the total victim...JD brought this on herself...that poor woman must have been living a pure hell with him. I'm sure FD was super critical about her parenting and looks, anything to make her feel less than, so he could feel powerful.

 

[citygirl]

True, and even Albany Ave people didn’t report all the bags of obvious blood in their trash, and the Fed Ex box put in the storm drain. That was put there during daylight where the apartments are on top of each other and up against the road. Had they called the police anytime in those 4 days before the garbage was collected we’d be soo much further along right now. That area doesn’t call police though because of gang activity.
The media is keeping the LE accountable, and the media gives them nudges to keep them going. I don’t want this to turn into a cold case so I’ll take the negative attention for our neighborhoods for as long as it takes to see this through.

That's a very interesting point. Further reason for FD to go there?

 

[Daisyeve]

The simple answer: She and FD are both adrenaline junkies.
they both have an inner need for high risk exciting activities.

this is pretty common with many high level athletes. They're
so accustomed to having their endorphins running on high
that it spills over into their remaining life activities. And we
know from studies some people naturally gravitate towards
high risk activities because it feeds their psyches.

Women who are enamored by horse activities are in this group.
Serious horsewomen are some of the strongest women you'll ever
meet, both physically and emotionally.

Men who are adenaline junkies may become long distance runners, tri-athletes, professional athletes, and then we need
to look at what's been called high testosterone men and the
activities they engage in....race car drivers, cops, etc.

So in that vein FD and MT are similar both adrenaline junkies,
but I still contend MT is a third tier female when it comes to
her believing in equality between the sexes.
She accepts men who treat women as second class citizens.
Remember she spent much of her youth in South America so
it's not a stretch to believe she could handle the Middle East
for a while. Long term? No, but she was seeking a wealthy
sheik or cousin in Dubai, IMO.
MT is just a higher class golddigger.

I am probably the oldest and most narrow minded person on WS and I see MT as spoiled, devious and with a lot of connections that might lead to risky, dangerous activity. Until it is proven she is innocent I don’t feel safe with her in an unknown location in NY. Please forgive me if I shouldn’t have said this.

 

[oceancalling]

This is a general law question, but do criminal defense attnys ever ask their client if they did it or not, or is it just an elephant in the room kind of thing?
In this case, is NP asking FD questions/is FD requi

I am probably the oldest and most narrow minded person on WS and I see MT as spoiled, devious and with a lot of connections that might lead to risky, dangerous activity. Until it is proven she is innocent I don’t feel safe with her in an unknown location in NY. Please forgive me if I shouldn’t have said this.

She certainly has not been the paragon of ethical living up until now, but she now has the opportunity to do the right thing. IMO she has been cooperating with LE at least since her mom came into the picture. Mom is not going to let her daughter be another one of FD's sacrificial lambs. If LE wanted MT in town, she would be in town. I think her lawyer knows that FD has the ability to keep MT under his thumb and get her to do his bidding. Thus, he is making sure that FD (and his lawyer) are not given that opportunity. With MF safely stashed out of town, members of LE can meet with her any time they want, for as long as they want, without the meetings being blasted all over the press, and without NP learning about what MT has told police about his client's activities; that in itself must be driving the two of them nuts-an added bonus. (Unlike others here, I do not believe NP is getting inside info; IMO he is being told exactly what LE wants his client to know). If I were the prosecutor, I would be taking every word MT tells me, and seeking physical, corroborative evidence to substantiate her testimony. Between the surveillance tapes, the financial and court records (and transcripts), the phone records and lab analysis of the items seized from numerous sources, a great deal of investigative work still remains. I believe there will also be third party witnesses, who have no connection to either JD or FD and who will place FD at certain locations, during the days and weeks before and after the murder, to help prove that FD murdered his wife. There will also going to be a mountain of physical and forensic evidence establishing FD's guilt, and that type of evidence takes awhile to process. People may lie, but physical evidence does not, and it is the analysis of this evidence is what is going to convict this coldblooded killer. In the meantime, you can be sure LE is keeping very, very close tabs on the two lovebirds. You can also be sure MT is where LE wants her to be. Since we do not now who she is staying with while out of town, I will speculate that the person is either retired LE, a member of the judiciary, or of such other prominence that the prosecutor is satisfied she isn't going anywhere. In any event, seeing how much NP wants to "talk" to her, I believe she is right where she needs to be. It will be very interesting to see what her next court appearance reveals.

 

[afitzy]

That's a very interesting point. Further reason for FD to go there?

Yes, but we did see the eyewitness to the bag drops in some of the early coverage of the Albany situation. I don't recall if the woman worked at the bakery or at a convenience shop but she seemed to be quite clear in what she witnessed.