Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #15 *ARRESTS*

[afitzy]

That's true. But sometimes we don't know what banks they're using. And we can't just examine their computers without asking. So we ask for their records or access.

Even then, they can fight those requests on various grounds. A big one would be carte blanche access to computers. That would likely not be allowed. We have to have narrow requests.

So they have to produce the records or information that lets us know where the record are. Then they sometimes refuse to. So we have to file a motion to compel. And it goes on and on.

Just putting this article on the issue back into this thread (was posted in prior thread) about the litigation with GF/FORE as it addresses some of the issues that were being discussed today:

Missing Woman’s Mother: Estranged Husband Owes Family $2.5 Million in Loans

Quote from article:

"But Fotis Dulos in November provided the court cancelled checks showing that at least $670,000 of that had, in fact, been paid back. That led a judge in September to order that Gloria Farber could attach just $500,000 in Fitos Dulos’s assets to the case—far less than she’d been seeking".

"Yet Gloria Farber then said she realized that she’d “had difficulty securing all of the decedent’s [Hilliard Farber’s] bank records and documentation in regard to the lending relationship” between her deceased husband and Fore Group, according to a second amended complaint filed Jan. 10".

"A closer look at financial records showed that Hilliard Farber had lent Fore Group $9,851,158 between 2004 and 2016 and that Fotis Dulos had repaid $7,309,326, meaning there’s an unpaid balance of $2,541,831, according to the Jan. 10 filing".

"Gloria Farber had been wrong to limit the claims “for amounts due in connection to the purchase and resale of properties located in New Canaan and Avon, Connecticut,” according to a Motion to Amend and Increase Prejudgment Remedy".

“However, through discovery, the plaintiff has become aware of substantial funds due and owing from the defendants [Fotis Dulos and Fore Group] to the plaintiff well beyond what was originally alleged,” Gloria Farber said in the motion".

"She’s now seeking a prejudgment remedy of $3 million. Fotis Dulos objected to the new figure, saying his mother-in-law already “had her day in court on this issue.”

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Hope LE is checking out any of his colleagues
who maybe just put in a new pool or concrete
patio.

If so, the pool or patio might start to sink or crack later, since organic matter consolidates unlike appropriately compacted or placed fill or soil, leading to uneven settlement, etc. Repairs generally require deep foundations or more usually, removing the unsuitable soil and replacing it. So if he did that, his secret may not last that long.

 

[afitzy]

If so, the pool or patio might start to sink or crack later, since organic matter consolidates unlike appropriately compacted or placed fill or soil, leading to uneven settlement, etc. Repairs generally require deep foundations or more usually, removing the unsuitable soil and replacing it. So if he did that, his secret may not last that long.

I wonder if NC Building Inspector had taken pictures of the progress at 61 Sturbridge over time following inspections? And wonder further if any work had taken place at the property following the last inspection? This could include patio/outdoor area or paving projects etc. I am unsure whether the property has certificate of occupancy and all final approvals from the Town even though it is listed as available for sale.

Continue to think about what the loud noise could have been that was reported at Stubridge property in NC that disturbed neighborhood dogs.

 

[gitana1]

Just putting this article on the issue back into this thread (was posted in prior thread) about the litigation with GF/FORE as it addresses some of the issues that were being discussed today:

Missing Woman’s Mother: Estranged Husband Owes Family $2.5 Million in Loans

Quote from article:

"But Fotis Dulos in November provided the court cancelled checks showing that at least $670,000 of that had, in fact, been paid back. That led a judge in September to order that Gloria Farber could attach just $500,000 in Fitos Dulos’s assets to the case—far less than she’d been seeking".

"Yet Gloria Farber then said she realized that she’d “had difficulty securing all of the decedent’s [Hilliard Farber’s] bank records and documentation in regard to the lending relationship” between her deceased husband and Fore Group, according to a second amended complaint filed Jan. 10".

"A closer look at financial records showed that Hilliard Farber had lent Fore Group $9,851,158 between 2004 and 2016 and that Fotis Dulos had repaid $7,309,326, meaning there’s an unpaid balance of $2,541,831, according to the Jan. 10 filing".

"Gloria Farber had been wrong to limit the claims “for amounts due in connection to the purchase and resale of properties located in New Canaan and Avon, Connecticut,” according to a Motion to Amend and Increase Prejudgment Remedy".

“However, through discovery, the plaintiff has become aware of substantial funds due and owing from the defendants [Fotis Dulos and Fore Group] to the plaintiff well beyond what was originally alleged,” Gloria Farber said in the motion".

"She’s now seeking a prejudgment remedy of $3 million. Fotis Dulos objected to the new figure, saying his mother-in-law already “had her day in court on this issue.”

Excellent. Thank you so much. That makes sense and clears it all up. Perfect.

 

[oceancalling]

That's true. But sometimes we don't know what banks they're using. And we can't just examine their computers without asking. So we ask for their records or access.

Even then, they can fight those requests on various grounds. A big one would be carte blanche access to computers. That would likely not be allowed. We have to have narrow requests.

So they have to produce the records or information that lets us know where the record are. Then they sometimes refuse to. So we have to file a motion to compel. And it goes on and on.

The state can seek search warrants to view the contents of the computers seized (it is my understanding these warrants have already issued). It can also obtain court ordered subpoenas duces tecum for records from any financial institution. The warrants require a finding of probable cause, but the subpoenas can be issued for cause shown in most states. The defendant (and his counsel) does NOT have to be given notice of any of these activities in "ongoing investigations", which this certainly is.

Prosecutors have a very wide latitude in seeking all kinds of information as part of the investigative process. The process is far, far different than a civil dispute between two private citizens. I suspect LE is reviewing the information contained in those seized computers with eagle eyes. Based on what was learned there, subpoenas probably have already been issued. It is SOP for these subpoenas to be honored by banks in such situations.

LE is also most likely going through every document ever filed in any case involving FD. That information can serve as a basis to seek even more evidence. By "pulling the thread", evidence begets more evidence. I suspect the investigators here are devoting every waking hour to solving this crime. These types of investigations tend to generate a certain type of dogged pursuit among dedicated LE.

FD perhaps was able to obstruct discovery in the past by filing frivolous motions and ignoring his legal obligations. He is not going to be able to employ such tactics in the criminal investigation against him. In fact, he is not even entitled to know who/what has been subpoenaed and what was obtained. In fact, if a court was involved, the order may explicitly contain a mandatory non-disclosure provision. If there is no such provision, his bank most likely will advise FD of the existence of the subpoena(s).

As the criminal case progresses, in some states FD will be entitled to discover this evidence prior to trial. While this investigation is ongoing, though, LE has no obligation to share its playbook with him. FD may have been able to manipulate the judicial system before. He is playing is a whole new sandlot now, and he is in for a rude awakening. His cheating ways are NOT going to be rewarded in this arena.

 

[gitana1]

The state can seek search warrants to view the contents of the computers seized (it is my understanding these warrants have already issued). It can also obtain court ordered subpoenas duces tecum for records from any financial institution. The warrants require a finding of probable cause, but the subpoenas can be issued for cause shown in most states. The defendant (and his counsel) does NOT have to be given notice of any of these activities in "ongoing investigations", which this certainly is.

Prosecutors have a very wide latitude in seeking all kinds of information as part of the investigative process. The process is far, far different than a civil dispute between two private citizens. I suspect LE is reviewing the information contained in those seized computers with eagle eyes. Based on what was learned there, subpoenas probably have already been issued. It is SOP for these subpoenas to be honored by banks in such situations.

LE is also most likely going through every document ever filed in any case involving FD. That information can serve as a basis to seek even more evidence. By "pulling the thread", evidence begets more evidence. I suspect the investigators here are devoting every waking hour to solving this crime. These types of investigations tend to generate a certain type of dogged pursuit among dedicated LE.

FD perhaps was able to obstruct discovery in the past by filing frivolous motions and ignoring his legal obligations. He is not going to be able to employ such tactics in the criminal investigation against him. In fact, he is not even entitled to know who/what has been subpoenaed and what was obtained. In fact, if a court was involved, the order may explicitly contain a mandatory non-disclosure provision. If there is no such provision, his bank most likely will advise FD of the existence of the subpoena(s).

As the criminal case progresses, in some states FD will be entitled to discover this evidence prior to trial. While this investigation is ongoing, though, LE has no obligation to share its playbook with him. FD may have been able to manipulate the judicial system before. He is playing is a whole new sandlot now, and he is in for a rude awakening. His cheating ways are NOT going to be rewarded in this arena.

True but we weren't talking about the criminal investigation. We are talking about the Fore Group Inc. case.

I do understand the process.

 

[Bulldogs2]

Last night I dreamt that they found JDs body at the bottom of a very deep septic tank. As I've said in the past, I think the metal banging at 61 Sturbridge could have been FD trying to pry the lid off the tank which can be tough to do sometimes. FD must have had a plan for the body that I too believe either involved a very deep grave, concrete or chemicals, or this nagging septic tank theory that is now haunting my dreams.

So this morning, my job had me going to North Stamford which borders JDs neighborhood in New Canaan. When I went there in May, I didn't have the nerve to drive up Welle's Lane, but I did today figuring the police were no longer present. I made the turn onto Frogpond on the end where NCCD school is and up Welles Lane which seemed much shorter to me, than what appears on Google Maps. As I turned around in front of JD's house and looked at the garage, I got such an eerie feeling. I did not see one person or car on either Frogpond or Welles, but then again school is out and it was 7:45am. One thing that is for sure, those houses are surrounded by lush, mature trees/small forests....all the better to sneak through.

I really hope LE has exhausted all possibilities. Check those septic tanks!!

I too think the same thing about the septic. My thoughts are...if he thought to put the doctored license plates in the drain on Albany ave, perhaps his mind thought the same way for the body...or vice versa.

 

[Bulldogs2]

That's true. But sometimes we don't know what banks they're using. And we can't just examine their computers without asking. So we ask for their records or access.

Even then, they can fight those requests on various grounds. A big one would be carte blanche access to computers. That would likely not be allowed. We have to have narrow requests.

So they have to produce the records or information that lets us know where the record are. Then they sometimes refuse to. So we have to file a motion to compel. And it goes on and on.

So what you’re saying is it’s going to be a long long time.

 

[bubby girl]

The state can seek search warrants to view the contents of the computers seized (it is my understanding these warrants have already issued). It can also obtain court ordered subpoenas duces tecum for records from any financial institution. The warrants require a finding of probable cause, but the subpoenas can be issued for cause shown in most states. The defendant (and his counsel) does NOT have to be given notice of any of these activities in "ongoing investigations", which this certainly is.

Prosecutors have a very wide latitude in seeking all kinds of information as part of the investigative process. The process is far, far different than a civil dispute between two private citizens. I suspect LE is reviewing the information contained in those seized computers with eagle eyes. Based on what was learned there, subpoenas probably have already been issued. It is SOP for these subpoenas to be honored by banks in such situations.

LE is also most likely going through every document ever filed in any case involving FD. That information can serve as a basis to seek even more evidence. By "pulling the thread", evidence begets more evidence. I suspect the investigators here are devoting every waking hour to solving this crime. These types of investigations tend to generate a certain type of dogged pursuit among dedicated LE.

FD perhaps was able to obstruct discovery in the past by filing frivolous motions and ignoring his legal obligations. He is not going to be able to employ such tactics in the criminal investigation against him. In fact, he is not even entitled to know who/what has been subpoenaed and what was obtained. In fact, if a court was involved, the order may explicitly contain a mandatory non-disclosure provision. If there is no such provision, his bank most likely will advise FD of the existence of the subpoena(s).

As the criminal case progresses, in some states FD will be entitled to discover this evidence prior to trial. While this investigation is ongoing, though, LE has no obligation to share its playbook with him. FD may have been able to manipulate the judicial system before. He is playing is a whole new sandlot now, and he is in for a rude awakening. His cheating ways are NOT going to be rewarded in this arena.

love this thank you...i (we WS') have to be patient which is so hard, so have to think of it this way- FD and NP/team are really sweating it out, the longer the better is prolong your 'agony'...well not too long, just long enough...justice for jennifer and her family...

and MT- your day is coming too and you will need a rosary 'necklace' with a really big crucifix of Jesus, you hypocrite...

 

[Daisyeve]

So are you saying MT is a Heathen w/ rosary?

Is that the same thing as a con artist?

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Just putting this article on the issue back into this thread (was posted in prior thread) about the litigation with GF/FORE as it addresses some of the issues that were being discussed today:

Missing Woman’s Mother: Estranged Husband Owes Family $2.5 Million in Loans

Quote from article:

"But Fotis Dulos in November provided the court cancelled checks showing that at least $670,000 of that had, in fact, been paid back. That led a judge in September to order that Gloria Farber could attach just $500,000 in Fitos Dulos’s assets to the case—far less than she’d been seeking".

"Yet Gloria Farber then said she realized that she’d “had difficulty securing all of the decedent’s [Hilliard Farber’s] bank records and documentation in regard to the lending relationship” between her deceased husband and Fore Group, according to a second amended complaint filed Jan. 10".

"A closer look at financial records showed that Hilliard Farber had lent Fore Group $9,851,158 between 2004 and 2016 and that Fotis Dulos had repaid $7,309,326, meaning there’s an unpaid balance of $2,541,831, according to the Jan. 10 filing".

"Gloria Farber had been wrong to limit the claims “for amounts due in connection to the purchase and resale of properties located in New Canaan and Avon, Connecticut,” according to a Motion to Amend and Increase Prejudgment Remedy".

“However, through discovery, the plaintiff has become aware of substantial funds due and owing from the defendants [Fotis Dulos and Fore Group] to the plaintiff well beyond what was originally alleged,” Gloria Farber said in the motion".

"She’s now seeking a prejudgment remedy of $3 million. Fotis Dulos objected to the new figure, saying his mother-in-law already “had her day in court on this issue.”

Ugh! He is such an @zz.

 

[Daisyeve]

I didn't read the entire case file but your point from the case is an interesting one. I also wonder if MT mother was a cooperating witness with the Feds as well as there was a period of time where Medicare fraud was rampant and the feds were trying to clean things up. There must have been a reason for her never to go to prison which IMO was where abuse of this sort should end up!

I am always curious as well as totally disgusted when licensed professionals attempt to make a 'quick buck' off the backs of the US govt. via fraud of programs designed to help citizens who are older and possibly financially disadvantaged. The fact that this was the path of MT mother at least to me tells me who she is.

The fact also that she is non US citizen so far as we know in a way makes any strategy to exploit a US Govt program designed to help support mental health of Medicare patients when mental health funding by the US Govt is under fire for being inadequate in a way makes this crime simply despicable IMO.

In simple terms she knows how to work the system and scam the US GOVT and since she has been successful at that the state and city governments should be really easy to control in her favor as long as she can keep coming up with cash to pay the right people. And they think they are entitled to be above the law because they have been allowed to.
(MOO)

 

[Hair of the Dog]

I wonder if NC Building Inspector had taken pictures of the progress at 61 Sturbridge over time following inspections? And wonder further if any work had taken place at the property following the last inspection? This could include patio/outdoor area or paving projects etc. I am unsure whether the property has certificate of occupancy and all final approvals from the Town even though it is listed as available for sale.

Continue to think about what the loud noise could have been that was reported at Stubridge property in NC that disturbed neighborhood dogs.

Hello! I am new to posting here but not new to following cases on Websleuths. There are so many amazing posters on this thread who share knowledge, wisdom and compassion. Thank you all with a special shout out to afitzy and the other locals who have brought a wealth of information to the forum.

Now about that loud noise....someone using a plumber's snake, particularly one with a power assist to clear a vent stack or sewage line? I think PVC is the pipe of choice nowadays for waste lines but at minimum the vent on the roof is likely copper because the gutters and the leaders are.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Hello! I am new to posting here but not new to following cases on Websleuths. There are so many amazing posters on this thread who share knowledge, wisdom and compassion. Thank you all with a special shout out to afitzy and the other locals who have brought a wealth of information to the forum.

Now about that loud noise....someone using a plumber's snake, particularly one with a power assist to clear a vent stack or sewage line? I think PVC is the pipe of choice nowadays for waste lines but at minimum the vent on the roof is likely copper because the gutters and the leaders are.

Welcome to WS!

 

[MDATCA]

IMO she was in it from day one as she refused to cooperate with LE. That action has guilt written all over it. I think she helped with his phone moving around the properties to make it appear as if he was working meanwhile FD was elsewhere.

To be the devil's advocate maybe she is the party who attacked JD. The returning of the purse may have not taken very long. I am nor saying he isn't also guilty just that maybe he was behind the scene and did the cleaning.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Last night I dreamt that they found JDs body at the bottom of a very deep septic tank. As I've said in the past, I think the metal banging at 61 Sturbridge could have been FD trying to pry the lid off the tank which can be tough to do sometimes. FD must have had a plan for the body that I too believe either involved a very deep grave, concrete or chemicals, or this nagging septic tank theory that is now haunting my dreams.

So this morning, my job had me going to North Stamford which borders JDs neighborhood in New Canaan. When I went there in May, I didn't have the nerve to drive up Welle's Lane, but I did today figuring the police were no longer present. I made the turn onto Frogpond on the end where NCCD school is and up Welles Lane which seemed much shorter to me, than what appears on Google Maps. As I turned around in front of JD's house and looked at the garage, I got such an eerie feeling. I did not see one person or car on either Frogpond or Welles, but then again school is out and it was 7:45am. One thing that is for sure, those houses are surrounded by lush, mature trees/small forests....all the better to sneak through.

I really hope LE has exhausted all possibilities. Check those septic tanks!!

I think he had Jennifer’s murder planned for a long time and might have prepared a spot to put her in. Were all of his properties finished being built when she disappeared?

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Looks like more trouble for FORE as additional mechanics leins are filed but this time in New Canaan for the 61 Sturbridge Property. Wonder if the next atty to be hired by FD/FORE will be bankruptcy counsel? MOO

The home at 61 Sturbridge Hill Road in New Canaan that Fotis Dulos is building through his company, Fore Group Inc. Photo credit: Julia Stewart (NewCanaanite.com)

Article Link: Did You Hear … ?

Quote from article:
"Three more Connecticut companies this month placed mechanic’s liens on the New Canaan home being built by the estranged husband of a missing local mom of five. O&G Industries ($13,654.33), Peter Kupchick Heating & Cooling Inc. ($10,000) and plumber Richard Belonick ($26,250) all filed liens in state Superior Court in connection with materials and services provided at 61 Sturbridge Hill Road. Fotis Dulos’s Fore Group Inc. construction company is nearly finished building a 7,300-square-foot home there. A Meriden-based lumber company earlier this year filed a $19,000 lien."

His is this man not swinging from the rafters yet???

 

[oceancalling]

LE is really playing this one close to the vest, which is a great tactic. With so many people involved in the investigation, it is very difficult to keep information confidential. It speaks to the professionalism of these investigators that there have been no leaks.

It seems clear, though, that FD and his lawyers have fooled no one with their wild speculation (and absolutely awful televised interview) that JD is a 'gone girl' or any other such nonsense. Clearly, everybody knows FD killed his wife. For those who live in the area, has there been any local discussion about what is going on with the investigation or theories about what actually happened? It seems the physical searches have stopped, and it is now a matter of forensics and witness interviews. If JD's body had been recovered, we would certainly know, so it is save to assume that hasn't happened. I just wonder how many friends/neighbors/co-workers/"other women" LE has interviewed.

FD may have advanced degrees and be book smart, but no killer is ever as smart as they believe themselves to be. Still, my strong intuition-and nothing more- leads me to believe he spent many hours planning what he thought was the perfect murder. I will never believe this murder was in any way spontaneous or impulsive. What supplies did he need for the task? Where did he purchase them? Every step of the way, he was preparing his brutal assault. The details of those actions, while perhaps not as dramatic as locating JD, are what will ultimately convict FD of 1st degree murder. Which is why I wonder how far reaching LE's investigation has been.

 

[afitzy]

Hello! I am new to posting here but not new to following cases on Websleuths. There are so many amazing posters on this thread who share knowledge, wisdom and compassion. Thank you all with a special shout out to afitzy and the other locals who have brought a wealth of information to the forum.

Now about that loud noise....someone using a plumber's snake, particularly one with a power assist to clear a vent stack or sewage line? I think PVC is the pipe of choice nowadays for waste lines but at minimum the vent on the roof is likely copper because the gutters and the leaders are.

Welcome! Thanks for joining in. During times of slow news its important I think to keep the sleuthing going and explore ideas on how to think about what happened to JD! Its been nearly 9 weeks!

 

[afitzy]

I think he had Jennifer’s murder planned for a long time and might have prepared a spot to put her in. Were all of his properties finished being built when she disappeared?

Yes we believe so except Sturbridge property in NC.