Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #15 *ARRESTS*

[gitana1]

I agree with you that he thinks he will be cleared and I think his history with the family and civil courts have allowed him too much leniency which has built up his confidence that he can beat any charge. I am just an ordinary person looking over all the great detailed info provided by the much more knowledgeable than me people about the motions he had filed, all the no shows, refusal to provide evidence etc and what punishment did he get? I have been trying to decide if he had some sort of privilege with some higher up in the system that allowed him to be treated like a spoiled child and thus get more out of control . To an outsider it looks like certain people are looking out for each other at the expense of innocent victims. Or is this just the way the legal system is everywhere? (I am not saying this about LE because from what I have read they are searching everywhere under awful conditions etc and seem to be doing all they can) . I am putting my hope in the state attorney

It's more common with people with money to drag these things out. Because other people can't afford to do as much aggressive litigation.

It is not true at all, however, that he wasn't punished by the system. I keep seeing this statement that he was somehow getting away with something. But I think sometimes people's personal experiences and dissatisfaction with the system has colored how they view this case.

Because despite all his riches, custody was basically taken from him and he was reduced to what was basically almost the most restrictive custody and visitation plan available. First all contact with his kids was suspended and then it was super limited and monitored by a therapist. There were additional serious conditions imposed.

I have explained over and over that this is very rare and very punitive. This is reserved for the worst parents OR the ones with the most serious issues like drug issues or mental health breaks.

What we have to understand is that for Jennifer, custody of her kids likely was he issue that had the highest priority in her divorce. The court would treat it the same way. So discovery battles (about disclosing evidence upon demand) would take longer while the parties focused on child custody.

Finally, as I have explained several times, the court system doesn't have as much money as it needs to run super smoothly. So the court calendars are typically super impacted. That creates delays. And an aggressive litigator with enough money can take advantage of that.

These points are why FD had not had to face the music when it came to disclosing his financial information, sooner. But he was at that point when it was coming to a head and that's when Jennifer disappeared. Conveniently.

Corruption and pay offs did not occur here. Not close. It does frustrate me that the family law court system continually gets blamed on Jennifer's threads. I can attest, as a family law attorney, that there is zero basis for it.

If there was corruption his kids never would have been taken from him. Clearly he considers them his property and I believe he killed Jennifer in large part because he was not going to allow the court or his wife tell him when he could be with his kids. I think he feels that's his right. That they are his and he is the only one who should be able to dictate who they see and when.

 

[MemPat]

It's more common with people with money to drag these things out. Because other people can't afford to do as much aggressive litigation.

It is not true at all, however, that he wasn't punished by the system. I keep seeing this statement that he was somehow getting away with something. But I think sometimes people's personal experiences and dissatisfaction with the system has colored how they view this case.

Because despite all his riches, custody was basically taken from him and he was reduced to what was basically almost the most restrictive custody and visitation plan available. First all contact with his kids was suspended and then it was super limited and monitored by a therapist. There were additional serious conditions imposed.

I have explained over and over that this is very rare and very punitive. This is reserved for the worst parents OR the ones with the most serious issues like drug issues or mental health breaks.

What we have to understand is that for Jennifer, custody of her kids likely was he issue that had the highest priority in her divorce. The court would treat it the same way. So discovery battles (about disclosing evidence upon demand) would take longer while the parties focused on child custody.

Finally, as I have explained several times, the court system doesn't have as much money as it needs to run super smoothly. So the court calendars are typically super impacted. That creates delays. And an aggressive litigator with enough money can take advantage of that.

These points are why FD had not had to face the music when it came to disclosing his financial information, sooner. But he was at that point when it was coming to a head and that's when Jennifer disappeared. Conveniently.

Corruption and pay offs did not occur here. Not close. It does frustrate me that the family law court system continually gets blamed on Jennifer's threads. I can attest, as a family law attorney, that there is zero basis for it.

If there was corruption his kids never would have been taken from him. Clearly he considers them his property and I believe he killed Jennifer in large part because he was not going to allow the court or his wife tell him when he could be with his kids. I think he feels that's his right. That they are his and he is the only one who should be able to dictate who they see and when.

This is such an excellent post, Gitana, and we all appreciate how patiently you are educating us.

 

[Jmoose]

Outside of the downtown NC area (public water and sewers) houses in NC have wells and septic systems. This would include the main public buildings such as Town Hall, Police station, Library, HS, Middle School, 1 Elementary school, YMCA.

Trigger Warning: I do not not know how easy it would be to access to the main sewer or water lines to dispose of a body or liquified body remains? The schools were subject to upgraded camera security after the horrific Newtown shootings so I would doubt anyone would risk dumping anything on school property. But could there be another access point that isn't covered by camera? Does dumping a body or remains into a public sewer system make sense? Worth some research I think!

The transfer station in NC processes septic tank waste. I don't have details if the waste is processed at the transfer station or if it is sent someplace else for processing. But it is not unusual to see the major septic tank cleaning companies doing drop offs at NC Transfer station. I do hope that LE has checked with all local septic companies to verify any tank cleanings at ANY of the FORE houses (including the unoccupied house where JD/FD lived and where FD mother was run over by nanny).

It just occurred to me that in a lot of places now, periodic septic pumping is mandatory-like every two years; whichever company pumps the tank would be responsible for reporting it to the county, I think. I wonder if Fairfield County has this regulation? Then they’d just have to check with the county, and not all of the various septic pumping companies. I am not sure, however, if this would have any bearing on any septic tanks that FD would have access to, in the time since May 24th. Since most houses associated with him are empty, there’d likely to have been no pumping.

 

[Jmoose]

Good thought. Perhaps JD was hidden temporarily/overnight in the septic at Sturbridge overnight and what the neighborhood dogs responded to with much barking might have been loud noise from opening the cap to the system to remove the body?

When would he have put her there-EE was working there all day, the day she died. If anything, I think he would have stashed her elsewhere temporarily, then brought her to Sturbridge later.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Good thought. Perhaps JD was hidden temporarily/overnight in the septic at Sturbridge overnight and what the neighborhood dogs responded to with much barking might have been loud noise from opening the cap to the system to remove the body?

I think that could be so. Getting it out would be harder than getting it in due, logically IMO, to gravity, physics, and not wanting to leave evidence behind. I think probably the body was in pieces, right from the garage partially at least, to make it easier to move and hide. So the banging might have been related to vacuum-pumping or—finally I remember what has been bugging me so long!—a large air compressor! Large air compressors used in shops and garages (by ordinary mechanics and farmers—and construction people) make this loud banging kind of noise when they kick on and off to bring the pressure or whatever up. I live in the country and have a good-sized compressor out in my barn and when I first brought home my rescued bulldogs, I remember them barking or getting agitated when they first heard it go off. Guests look up, too. Compressors like that can be used to help do many things. Generators seem to make a more even noise but they can be used to power pumps, etc. MOO.

 

[Hair of the Dog]

I think he had her final resting place selected and prepared in advance, somewhere between NC and Farmington.

He is arrogant and a risk taker so I don't think he was worried about transporting her body at all. It was likely in some type of container he brought with him, covered by a tarp. He knew exactly where he was heading and just melted into traffic making sure not to do anything to draw the attention of LE. IMO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

It just occurred to me that in a lot of places now, periodic septic pumping is mandatory-like every two years; whichever company pumps the tank would be responsible for reporting it to the county, I think. I wonder if Fairfield County has this regulation? Then they’d just have to check with the county, and not all of the various septic pumping companies. I am not sure, however, if this would have any bearing on any septic tanks that FD would have access to, in the time since May 24th. Since most houses associated with him are empty, there’d likely to have been no pumping.

Probably not but an individual could use an air compressor and pump to try to remove something placed in one, I feel sure, since that’s what the septic people use essentially: a major pump and vacuum powered by a generator/motor, etc. MOO.

It’s not fun but I have stood there while the septic was pumped out and it’s loud, with I guess banging when the equipment is moved.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

When would he have put her there-EE was working there all day, the day she died. If anything, I think he would have stashed her elsewhere temporarily, then brought her to Sturbridge later.

Coolers? Freezer? I bet there are large freezers at those houses. I used to work for a vet and when animals passed away and we needed to wait for them to be picked up for cremation or when the ground was too hard to dig to bury them, we put them in bags in the freezer.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Having little experience with septic tanks, I did some reading. I was shocked at not only the possibility of functioning septic tanks, but also abandoned tanks in which one could place a body and by adding lime dispose of it fairly quickly. I certainly hope LE had the opportunity and right personnel to check all the FD properties and other abandoned properties in the area. What an incredible task that could be, but FD not only purchased and built upon lands where there might have been old, unused systems, but also researched land he might have been considering for purchase.

I agree that the barking and loud noise coming from Sturbridge is discomforting. Again, I hope LE did more than look at the dumpster. Would they need a reason for a search warrant to access all JD's properties? Would anything be left to discover if the right chemicals were used? YIKES!

Somewhere in the earlier threads, information on chemicals was posted. Try the search function for the threads, maybe? I better get back to my studies!

 

[1&2&3]

Should the septic tanks be checked as one more place to check off the list?

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Should the septic tanks be checked as one more place to check off the list?

If we think dismembered, the possibilities are endless. Just if he temporarily used a septic system for hiding, maybe there is evidence left. I doubt a well as that really could be a problem if the water smelled, etc. MOO.

 

[afitzy]

It would surprise me very much if JD had anyone working for her with any connection at all to FD. I suppose it is possible, but I really don’t think it’s likely.

Don't disagree with you but we don't know much from LE about service providers to JD and any staff members (nanny, housekeeper, lawn service, possible backup nanny/babysitter etc.). Its sometimes a small world and its also impossible to know if FD or some other party that wished JD ill could have gotten info about the house and JD schedule from tradespeople that were routinely on the property. MOO

 

[afitzy]

Quick question: does anyone know if FD's or MT's shoes were checked for blood?

No mention in the arrest warrant whether any personal items (other than the FD phone) were taken by LE. We know FD went to Litchfield for DNA testing early in the process. We also don't know if MT was subject to DNA testing as well.

Your question leads me to wonder what items exactly were found in the bags salvaged on Albany? IMO the Arrest Warrant was intentionally vague so I don't think we know about shoes. MOO

 

[afitzy]

It just occurred to me that in a lot of places now, periodic septic pumping is mandatory-like every two years; whichever company pumps the tank would be responsible for reporting it to the county, I think. I wonder if Fairfield County has this regulation? Then they’d just have to check with the county, and not all of the various septic pumping companies. I am not sure, however, if this would have any bearing on any septic tanks that FD would have access to, in the time since May 24th. Since most houses associated with him are empty, there’d likely to have been no pumping.

I don't believe there are mandatory septic pumping schedules as its a function of system size and number of people in house.

Each homeowner sets their own schedule based on system usage. Most houses are pumped out annually. Some houses with smaller systems might get pumped every 6 months but this is unusual. Its unusual to switch pumping companies IME and so most people just set a schedule and the pumping companies follow the schedule. I don't know how many pumping companies are in Fairfield County but I don't believe it be a huge number (find it hard to believe there are more than 40 or so companies in the county). In general though there are a few companies that you see over and over in your area. In NC the local company that has been in business for years is Palladino and its used by many in town.

 

[afitzy]

Should the septic tanks be checked as one more place to check off the list?

Most definately. We saw alot of LE activity of conduit access points of the Farmington FORE houses early in the process.

Remember the green piping and manhole picture that was highly discussed in earlier thread that was part of the search in Farmington? This picture was taken on 6/2/19 and was from Mountain Spring House in Farmington, CT

Source: Channel 12 News

 

[3blue1pink]

Not sure how the water supply shapes up in NC but FD being a contractor building new houses on properties where the old dwelling was razed ... perhaps he had to dig new wells of the old ones weren’t sufficient enough to pump as many GPM as need for his McMansions ... so if there are abandoned wells on his properties he’d know where they were .

 

[sds71]

New statement from the family and friends of Jennifer Dulos
Twitter

 

[Hair of the Dog]

While he may have put liquids through a septic system, it seems to me that anything solid would need to be quite small to avoid detection, the hose they use for pumping is only about 6".

If LE had any reason to think there was evidence in his septic tank, they probably wouldn't hesitate to excavate it.

 

[Hair of the Dog]

I am not especially tech savvy, but IMO FD could have set up something as simple as an old ipod in JD's garage or even along her driveway that was linked to his phone via app to monitor JD's arrivals and departures. He could have planted it on Weds eve or sometime before that and taken it with him when he left for the final time on Friday, 5/24. I keep seeing him sitting in the borrowed truck going over his checklist for the day.

 

[Kapua]

I think he had her final resting place selected and prepared in advance, somewhere between NC and Farmington.

He is arrogant and a risk taker so I don't think he was worried about transporting her body at all. It was likely in some type of container he brought with him, covered by a tarp. He knew exactly where he was heading and just melted into traffic making sure not to do anything to draw the attention of LE. IMO.

I think you are spot on. MOO