Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #17

[MsJosie]

Has this Judge and Pattis ever met in a court room before? What types of cases?

PS. Thanks again

 

[MassGuy]

I don’t know, but I think NP is struggling with trying to defend FD. I’m almost embarrassed for the man as he really has very little to work with. Fotis looks at him with daggers in his eyes, but what does he expect! It’s pretty obvious he killed his wife and only time will show the truth.

Ha! Any time you find yourself almost feeling bad for this guy, just remember that he is an ego maniacal jackass.

He chose to take on this case, and he’s enjoying every second of the publicity he’s getting.

He’s clearly believes that “any publicity is good publicity.”

I hope Fotis stiffs him on the compensation part.

And something tragic happens to his ponytail.

 

[bubby girl]

Also want to add about the $14,000 lab work claim. I don't in any way believe this amount would come from lab work/blood tests. Nor would any such lab work have anything to do with JD mental state. I work in the field of advanced radiology procedures...PET, MRI and CT scans. If a member chooses to have these procedures done at a large, well-renowned medical center, a single procedure can go toward an entire deductible of $5000. You can go to a stand-alone facility and pay 90% less for the same procedure. If you have a serious medical condition like cancer or MS, you are going to meet your deductible anyway so many members choose to stay with the high cost facility because it is convenient and their doctor has privileges there. Saving $4500 to go to a lower cost facility would not have mattered to JD...she had the money. But if she had $14,000 worth of radiology procedures done, there may have been a very serious health concern. IMO. IME.

i work in health care administration for a state government health plan..in a way earlier thread, i commented on such a comment as yours..where you work providing radiological services appears reasonable and IN-Network/aka participating provider.. assuming you know know what your place of employment is charging patients/insurance, allowed, etc is reasonable as you inferred..

there are those who have $$ and/or can see a provider regardless of network status, not the typical person..

health care providers can charge whatever they want, but when in-network, there is an allowed amount per the contract that is applied..if out-of-network, they charge whatever they want to and there is no contractual help for an allowed amount..

everybody has heard of a health care service that was crazy expensive, they couldn't believe what they were charged and insurance paid, etc..

i do fraud, waste, and abuse with state monies on claims paid, it does happen with those few, thankfully not most..few bad apples everywhere..

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Local Channel8 Court Date summary:
Judge allows Fotis Dulos to get back vehicles, can’t move GPS monitor or contact Troconis, children

I wonder if LE offered MT a deal that if she wears a wire to try to get FD to incriminate himself in exchange for her freedom.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Ha! Any time you find yourself almost feeling bad for this guy, just remember that he is an ego maniacal jackass.

He chose to take on this case, and he’s enjoying every second of the publicity he’s getting.

He’s clearly believes that “any publicity is good publicity.”

I hope Fotis stiffs him on the compensation part.

And something tragic happens to his ponytail.

Well that’s good...misery loves company.

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder if LE offered MT a deal that if she wears a wire to try to get FD to incriminate himself in exchange for her freedom.

I wouldn’t be surprised.

Norm has seen all the moves though, so I’m sure he would warn FD that his phone could be monitored.

Then again, FD isn’t one to listen to anyone’s advice.

 

[afitzy]

I have a question. Perhaps it was clarified before, but are there two Suburbans? One is FD's, which will be returned and another JD's, which is still a mystery? MOO

Yes, FD has a 2015 Suburban and JD has a 2017 Suburban.

JD Black Suburban was found on Lapham Rd in New Canaan on the evening of the 24th. NCPD have never shown a picture of the JD vehicle to the public and instead used a stock GM photo of the vehicle on the website and missing poster for JD.

 

[BellaVita]

i work in health care administration for a state government health plan..in a way earlier thread, i commented on such a comment as yours..where you work providing radiological services appears reasonable and IN-Network/aka participating provider.. assuming you know know what your place of employment is charging patients/insurance, allowed, etc is reasonable as you inferred..

there are those who have $$ and/or can see a provider regardless of network status, not the typical person..

health care providers can charge whatever they want, but when in-network, there is an allowed amount per the contract that is applied..if out-of-network, they charge whatever they want to and there is no contractual help for an allowed amount..

everybody has heard of a health care service that was crazy expensive, they couldn't believe what they were charged and insurance paid, etc..

i do fraud, waste, and abuse with state monies on claims paid, it does happen with those few, thankfully not most..few bad apples everywhere..

But in network does not mean the charge is the same. In network could charge $450 or $4500.
Once you meet your deductible and out of pocket expense, insurance will pay 100% no matter where your service is performed. I had an emergency appendectomy where I stayed in the hospital for a week and the charge was only $56,000 for a person with no insurance. In network means nothing. These facilities charge the contractual rate. It varies widely. The surgeon cost less than the anesthesiologist. An MRI at NYU Faculty Practice might cost $4500 but if you go to Lenox Hill Radiology might cost $450. I still feel $14,000 of medical bills is outrageous unless a serious health concern is involved. IMO

 

[MemPat]

Ha! Any time you find yourself almost feeling bad for this guy, just remember that he is an ego maniacal jackass.

He chose to take on this case, and he’s enjoying every second of the publicity he’s getting.

He’s clearly believes that “any publicity is good publicity.”

I hope Fotis stiffs him on the compensation part.

And something tragic happens to his ponytail.

Amen on that ponytail tragedy, MG!

The freakier this case gets, the happier Pattis will be as a book deal becomes a thing.

Also the more people recognize his name the closer he will get to a TV consultant deal a la Nancy Grace and "Call in the lawyers!"

Sickening, but true.

 

[afitzy]

I wouldn’t be surprised.

Norm has seen all the moves though, so I’m sure he would warn FD that his phone could be monitored.

Then again, FD isn’t one to listen to anyone’s advice.

On the entire MT conversation from Pattis I have to admit confusion. The story of these 2 is like some Mexican telenovella...or Greek Tragedy? IDK. But....

First we had FD and MT together, then Pattis said they had 'broken up', then Pattis talked about MT providing alibi for FD, then we had Pattis asking for ability of FD to contact MT, and then Pattis repeating the story of the real estate person that said MT had said in passing that she loved FD and was sorry all this was happening or something similar.

Yet again in Court today there was another Pattis statement about the real estate person who reported the comment from MT where MT said she loved FD and was upset that all this was happening to him or some similar comment. Why repeat this yet again? The MT judge was quite clear on the terms of the no contact order and thankfully the Judge today put the same order in place for FD.

My question though is why is Pattis again making a statement about MT professing undying love for FD when 3 min or so previous to making this statment Pattis said he called MT Atty Bowman and Bowman wouldn't speak with him and said his client has been advised to stay away from FD both by him and the Court?

There has to be some reason that Pattis is seeking connection in the eyes of the public between MT and his client but I guess I'm too simple minded to understand what it might be!?!

Any ideas?

 

[BellaVita]

On the entire MT conversation from Pattis I have to admit confusion. The story of these 2 is like some Mexican telenovella...or Greek Tragedy? IDK. But....

First we had FD and MT together, then Pattis said they had 'broken up', then Pattis talked about MT providing alibi for FD, then we had Pattis asking for ability of FD to contact MT, and then Pattis repeating the story of the real estate person that said MT had said in passing that she loved FD and was sorry all this was happening or something similar.

Yet again in Court today there was another Pattis statement about the real estate person who reported the comment from MT where MT said she loved FD and was upset that all this was happening to him or some similar comment. Why repeat this yet again? The MT judge was quite clear on the terms of the no contact order and thankfully the Judge today put the same order in place for FD.

My question though is why is Pattis again making a statement about MT professing undying love for FD when 3 min or so previous to making this statment Pattis said he called MT Atty Bowman and Bowman wouldn't speak with him and said his client has been advised to stay away from FD both by him and the Court?

There has to be some reason that Pattis is seeking connection in the eyes of the public between MT and his client but I guess I'm too simple minded to understand what it might be!?!

Any ideas?

Oh, Afitzy, you are too smart to be asking these questions!!! The allure of a charming sociopath is not to be underestimated. Look up "No Contact". I don't like MT but she was under the spell of FD just as Jennifer was. I'm not cutting her slack. I just know how it goes. IME.

 

[sleuth66]

Now here’s a headline for NP to be proud of....

CRAZY-TALK: CHEATING HUBBY SAYS missing Connecticut mom-of-5 Jennifer Dulos IS HIDING ‘HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS’ EVEN THOUGH COPS THINK SHE’S DEAD!

 

[MassGuy]

On the entire MT conversation from Pattis I have to admit confusion. The story of these 2 is like some Mexican telenovella...or Greek Tragedy? IDK. But....

First we had FD and MT together, then Pattis said they had 'broken up', then Pattis talked about MT providing alibi for FD, then we had Pattis asking for ability of FD to contact MT, and then Pattis repeating the story of the real estate person that said MT had said in passing that she loved FD and was sorry all this was happening or something similar.

Yet again in Court today there was another Pattis statement about the real estate person who reported the comment from MT where MT said she loved FD and was upset that all this was happening to him or some similar comment. Why repeat this yet again? The MT judge was quite clear on the terms of the no contact order and thankfully the Judge today put the same order in place for FD.

My question though is why is Pattis again making a statement about MT professing undying love for FD when 3 min or so previous to making this statment Pattis said he called MT Atty Bowman and Bowman wouldn't speak with him and said his client has been advised to stay away from FD both by him and the Court?

There has to be some reason that Pattis is seeking connection in the eyes of the public between MT and his client but I guess I'm too simple minded to understand what it might be!?!

Any ideas?

I think he wants the connection, because it appears that law enforcement has ruled out the possibility that MT was involved in the murder itself.

He’s saying “we know she is innocent, so he must be too.”

What logic he’s using to get there, is anyone’s guess.

Adjacent to innocent, is innocent apparently.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

LE could be locked out of the phone and they are still trying to get in.

At least one of the 2 phones is an iPhone and they are near impossible to access once locked out.

What? I have an iPhone. Only thing needed is thumbprint or 4 digit passcode sequence.
Now, once text message deleted, according to my research, they cannot be retrieved.
However, if FBI can recall a deleted hard drive, I would think the same would work here. Calling Apple would be an idea.
My cell bills indicate message usage rates and messaged numbers. Not the text message itself.
I presumed LE has tried iCloud or a similar service.
Ask any hacker. ANYTHING can be hacked. Any lock can be picked. NOTHING IS FOOLPROOF.

 

[CTGrammy]

I guess what I am not getting on this phone extraction question is that the warrant is quite clear that both the FD iPhoneX and MT phone had warrants attached to them.

The warrant was very specific about time stamps from FD phone for the afternoon of the 24th - Wouldn't this mean that extraction had taken place to get the time stamp data?

The only reference to MT location using what must have been cell phone data (but maybe this is a poor assumption IDK) was that "Troconis' cellular device traveled along with that of Dulos throughout the Hartford area".

Neither FD nor MT arrest warrant has any time stamp data for MT. IDK why this is the case but perhaps there was a delay with the warrant timing and the most they could do at the time the arrest warrants were prepared was follow a path or sync MT path to FD path but they didn't have the same time stamp data we had for FD.

It seems that to make the statements in the arrest warrants about both phones that some work by the State Marshall had been done as the following statement was made in the arrest warrant:

"Investigators consulted with the United States Marshals Service, who

provided analytical support for cellphone data for Dulos' handset and Troconis' call detail records". [BBM].

I claim no expertise in this data extraction process at all and always defer to experts here on WS on these matters, but just reading the arrest warrant it doesn't seem that at the time the arrest warrant was prepared that LE had the same info for both phones. The arrest warrant says "Cellphone Data" for FD handset and for MT "Call Detail records".

Where is @otto when you need him!

MOO

LE did not need the actual phones to retrieve the phone pings and the locations of those phone pings.

LE gets this information from the cell phone Company and can track a cell phone in Real Time.

LE would also be able to get more detailed information about calls to and from the phone, duration of those calls, dates and times of calls, identity and numbers of the 2nd party, locations of those calls, dates and times of the cell phone's locations, dates and times of texts messages to and from the phone (more difficult for iPhones), the text messages themselves, data stored in the Cloud like the calendar and pictures, and all from just the information gleaned from the cell phone Company.

All with a Warrant, of course.

IME, someone reported to LE that a person's social media account seemed to say that a person was about to commit suicide.

LE agreed with that assessment and with just the cell phone Number, LE was able to track phone pings received from the cell phone Company and find the subject before they did something irreversible.

Took less than 15 minutes from first notification and locating the subject in-person.

Of course, this was a life or death emergency situation and other situations would require a Warrant first.

LE would need to have the phone to obtain the internet search activity, contact list not sent to the Cloud, downloads, apps, pictures not sent to the Cloud, etc.

MOO, MOO, and MOO

 

[afitzy]

Amen on that ponytail tragedy, MG!

The freakier this case gets, the happier Pattis will be as a book deal becomes a thing.

Also the more people recognize his name the closer he will get to a TV consultant deal a la Nancy Grace and "Call in the lawyers!

Sickening, but true.

Its always interesting I think to see what kinds of characters the public finds engaging on TV and legal and crime TV in particular.

When Pattis is on the radio show he can at times IMO be engaging for the short segment that he is on but its always a performance and never a conversation as its the 'Pattis Show" IMO.

But I question whether he could carry a 1/2 hr or 1 hr show?

There is alot of 'bite' to the Pattis patter along with a winning at all costs even when its a low value win that might turn off alot of viewers IMO. Watching Pattis there really is IMO an absence of charm to compensate for the 'know it all' or 'arrogance' and this might get on the last nerve of many viewers.

He really is like the ringmaster in the circus IMO and has to be the center of attention always and seems to be the eternal "Lone Ranger". The second the spotlight goes off him or he is directly questioned then the gloves come off and its crush the opponent at all costs. IMO its all pretty unprofessional but I don't think Pattis cares about professionalism when he has his odd definition of what exactly his job description entails IMO!

I cannot see him in a panel setup where give and take is need nor engaging with clients in a meaningful or connected way. What I find so facinating watching him in court is that even though he is always professing to work tirelessly on behalf of his clients, it always seems to be about him almost all of the time IMO and I'm surprised the number of times he took the bait in court on issues that were ego issues related to Pattis and had little to do with FD.

I'm surprised more clients don't see through this semi sham of Pattis and his total self absorption and start to get concerned about the quality of their defense. I had the feeling today watching FD 'deer in the headlights' look for most of the testimony from Pattis that he was about as shocked and disappointed in the overall quality of delivery as I was! I really wonder about what happened in chambers before court today and whether that impacted Pattis in the courtroom? IDK

MOO

 

[Midwestmom2019]

On the entire MT conversation from Pattis I have to admit confusion. The story of these 2 is like some Mexican telenovella...or Greek Tragedy? IDK. But....

First we had FD and MT together, then Pattis said they had 'broken up', then Pattis talked about MT providing alibi for FD, then we had Pattis asking for ability of FD to contact MT, and then Pattis repeating the story of the real estate person that said MT had said in passing that she loved FD and was sorry all this was happening or something similar.

Yet again in Court today there was another Pattis statement about the real estate person who reported the comment from MT where MT said she loved FD and was upset that all this was happening to him or some similar comment. Why repeat this yet again? The MT judge was quite clear on the terms of the no contact order and thankfully the Judge today put the same order in place for FD.

My question though is why is Pattis again making a statement about MT professing undying love for FD when 3 min or so previous to making this statment Pattis said he called MT Atty Bowman and Bowman wouldn't speak with him and said his client has been advised to stay away from FD both by him and the Court?

There has to be some reason that Pattis is seeking connection in the eyes of the public between MT and his client but I guess I'm too simple minded to understand what it might be!?!

Any ideas?

Np is playing Matchmaker Matchmaker. And probably offered some 5 Star Manhattan penthouse as the “sex pad”. It’s just that MT isn’t buying into this I still love you scenario. Probably scared she’ll get snuffed like JD. If I were MT, I’d hire an armed guard like GF. At this point, MT might be the only critical piece of evidence tying FD to murder. What’s another murder between friends?

 

[CTGrammy]

Also want to add about the $14,000 lab work claim. I don't in any way believe this amount would come from lab work/blood tests. Nor would any such lab work have anything to do with JD mental state. I work in the field of advanced radiology procedures...PET, MRI and CT scans. If a member chooses to have these procedures done at a large, well-renowned medical center, a single procedure can go toward an entire deductible of $5000. You can go to a stand-alone facility and pay 90% less for the same procedure. If you have a serious medical condition like cancer or MS, you are going to meet your deductible anyway so many members choose to stay with the high cost facility because it is convenient and their doctor has privileges there. Saving $4500 to go to a lower cost facility would not have mattered to JD...she had the money. But if she had $14,000 worth of radiology procedures done, there may have been a very serious health concern. IMO. IME.

She could have just had All her annual physicals, tests, and bloodwork completed within just a few weeks.

Mammogram
Pap
Colonoscopy
Complete Physical
Complete Bloodwork
Eye Exam and Tests
Osteoporosis Test
Full Dermatology Exam
Dental Exam, Cleaning, and X-Rays
Stress Test
etc, etc

 

[bubby girl]

But in network does not mean the charge is the same. In network could charge $450 or $4500.
Once you meet your deductible and out of pocket expense, insurance will pay 100% no matter where your service is performed. I had an emergency appendectomy where I stayed in the hospital for a week and the charge was only $56,000 for a person with no insurance. In network means nothing. These facilities charge the contractual rate. It varies widely. The surgeon cost less than the anesthesiologist. An MRI at NYU Faculty Practice might cost $4500 but if you go to Lenox Hill Radiology might cost $450. I still feel $14,000 of medical bills is outrageous unless a serious health concern is involved. IMO

generally i agree with what you are saying, but contracts dictate what is allowable for a specific health care service and what will be paid...

anybody hit with out of network charges knows, it is real and 'painful'...

look at an explanation of benefits for your health care services..there is the provider charge,the network allowable, and what was paid after member responsibility (deductible/coinsurance, or copay if in hmo)...

 

[BellaVita]

LE did not need the actual phones to retrieve the phone pings and the locations of those phone pings.

LE gets this information from the cell phone Company and can track a cell phone in Real Time.

LE would also be able to get more detailed information about calls to and from the phone, duration of those calls, dates and times of calls, identity and numbers of the 2nd party, locations of those calls, dates and times of the cell phone's locations, dates and times of texts messages to and from the phone (more difficult for iPhones), the text messages themselves, data stored in the Cloud like the calendar and pictures, and all from just the information gleaned from the cell phone Company.

All with a Warrant, of course.

IME, someone reported to LE that a person's social media account seemed to say that a person was about to commit suicide.

LE agreed with that assessment and with just the cell phone Number, LE was able to track phone pings received from the cell phone Company and find the subject before they did something irreversible.

Took less than 15 minutes from first notification and locating the subject in-person.

Of course, this was a life or death emergency situation and other situations would require a Warrant first.

LE would need to have the phone to obtain the internet search activity, contact list not sent to the Cloud, downloads, apps, pictures not sent to the Cloud, etc.

MOO, MOO, and MOO

From personal experience, I know how sophisticated technology is in a very small town. I was converged upon based only on a phone number and very quickly. IME