Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #17

[BellaVita]

How could FD ethically know the dollar amt, if JD is not in a plan with him? I assume she isn’t since he has been paying nothing for the children, and so can’t imagine he is either paying for her, or that she is for all of the family, including him. Suppose I could be wrong, but I cannot imagine that she’d pay for a plan that covered FD, when he refused to part with one dime in support of their children. It would shock me to find out she was paying for his health insurance and that, I think, would be the only way they’d be on a family health insurance plan.

I don't know if it's been established who the primary insured was. Typically, when spouses separate, neither party can drop health insurance. Coverage must remain ongoing until the court says otherwise...usually when the divorce is final. MOO

 

[NWLady]

NP also mentioned yesterday in court "third parties." The 1st thing that came to my mind is the ex-employee, as I still leave the option open that FD may have been trying to frame his ex-employee for JD's murder. JMO

 

[andalso]

KM was told by the court not to contact his ex, so FD does it for him.

FD told by court not to contact his children, so he has his family do it for him.

FD told not to contact MT, so is it reasonable to believe he has had someone do it for him? I think it's likely.

 

[Jmoose]

I don't know if it's been established who the primary insured was. Typically, when spouses separate, neither party can drop health insurance. Coverage must remain ongoing until the court says otherwise...usually when the divorce is final. MOO

But FD did drop it, at least on the kids-why would he continue to pay for JD? I mean, I know he was required to continue it, but he didn’t follow the order. I guess maybe we will eventually find out during FD’s trial

 

[CuriousGA9]

NP sure does mention MT about every chance he gets. I don't understand it either. And also yesterday in court, NP mentioned something about FD or somebody has something to return to MT, or it sounded like that's what he said but I'm not sure? I've listened twice now and still can't make it out what NP says about that?

. Just thinking why does Pattis keep bringing up MT and the no contact order. Wonder if they have been in contact against the courts order and if court later allows it, he can minimize the infraction / confuse the issue

 

[andalso]

I am soooooo ready for FD to be arrested! Hey LE, can you just do that now? Pleeeeease?

 

[Jmoose]

KM was told by the court not to contact his ex, so FD does it for him.

FD told by court not to contact his children, so he has his family do it for him.

FD told not to contact MT, so is it reasonable to believe he has had someone do it for him? I think it's likely.

I am thinking a big “yes” on the last one. He isn’t a rule follower, as we know. Wouldn’t be surprised to find out that MT could be receptive, and that her lawyer is just trying to hold the line on this officially, but knowing that there really isn’t anything he can do about it.

 

[Hair of the Dog]

I don’t know, but I think NP is struggling with trying to defend FD. I’m almost embarrassed for the man as he really has very little to work with. Fotis looks at him with daggers in his eyes, but what does he expect! It’s pretty obvious he killed his wife and only time will show the truth.

And he is probably the kind of client who hounds him to death; constantly calling, can only talk to NP, etc.

MOO

 

[Midwestmom2019]

. Just thinking why does Pattis keep bringing up MT and the no contact order. Wonder if they have been in contact against the courts order and if court later allows it, he can minimize the infraction / confuse the issue

Keeping her in the public’s eye:
She’s a co-criminal. And will share punishment with FD. If she drops off the face of media, FD’s holding the bag by himself. Or at least the biggest part of the bag.

 

[BellaVita]

But FD did drop it, at least on the kids-why would he continue to pay for JD? I mean, I know he was required to continue it, but he didn’t follow the order. I guess maybe we will eventually find out during FD’s trial

Thanks. You have cleared up the issue for me. Makes me wonder even more why no contempt charges and why he didn't sit in jail until he complied with various court orders.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

And he is probably the kind of client who hounds him to death; constantly calling, can only talk to NP, etc.

MOO

The office staff won’t let him get through to NP unless NP wants to chat. Mohammed coming to the mountain or mountain coming to Mohammed as I recall.
FD might have one or two associates assigned to FD to pacify him. But NP is not ever at anyone’s beck and call.

 

[Tink56]

My Insurance Company sends me a report every month.

They list each line item and what the doctor/hospital Charges Everyone.

Then, the line item lists the Contracted amount, that is the Insurance Company's Responsibility.

Then, the line item lists the amount, that the insurance company will Not pay and notes this amount as the Provider's Responsibility.

Then, the line item lists my copay amount or lists the co-insurance amount as the Patient's Responsibility.

Every month, I am still amazed at what the doctor/hospital charges and the much smaller insurance contracted amount.

How do the doctors/hospitals get away with charging uninsured patients the Full Amounts when they are very willing to take much less when a patient has insurance and the doctor/hospital has contracted with that insurance company for much less?

Sorry, I digress.

Without the actual document in question:

We do not know if the $14,000 is Before or After the insurance paid their contracted amount.

We do not know if the Deductible has been applied.

We do not know if the Out of Pocket Maximum has been applied.

IMO, the charges are just that. Charges.

The full charged amount Before any contracted rate, deductible, or out of pocket maximum has been applied.

IMO, the Actual payment amount is much lower than $14,000.

IMO, NP is blowing it up bigger than it really is because $14,000 sounds so unimaginable when in fact the Pay Amount is much lower.

MOO

Nice list and explanation...thank you.

And, after re-reading an article this morning, I realized we're talking about three months of billing. Here's a quote from NP that was in the Stamford Advocate.

Pattis said he’s acquired billing records indicating Jennifer Dulos had $14,000 worth of “tests, blood work, diagnostic treatment and ‘lab-reproductive’ coding for work done from February through April 2019.”

“The defendant seeks information about the diagnosis and treatment Ms. Dulos received in the weeks before her disappearance as such information may shed light on what may have motivated her to disappear,” Pattis’ motion says. (BBM)

Jennifer Dulos case: Fotis seeks estranged wife’s medical records

NP is detail challenged, IMO. He either changes times (weeks vs months), amounts (thousands vs hundreds of thousands), or number of vicious press chasing his client. Someone in an earlier thread mentioned that his associate KS was the detail man....NP seems to only be concerned with the size of his audience and the importance of being correct. I've noticed that there are times in court in which he reads his statements...for accuracy? However, when he speaks to the press he's "free wheeling." MOO...MOO

 

[BellaVita]

KM was told by the court not to contact his ex, so FD does it for him.

FD told by court not to contact his children, so he has his family do it for him.

FD told not to contact MT, so is it reasonable to believe he has had someone do it for him? I think it's likely.

How would the court ever know if there is contact unless MT reported it? Even if they both had to get new phone numbers after the phones were taken, there is email. In the days of landlines, there is wiretapping. What tools would LE have nowadays to monitor communication on cell phones and by email? Even with a warrant? Any lawyer would tell their client not to write ANYTHING or say anything. It seems there would have to be cooperation by MT before LE would have access to anything.

 

[afitzy]

Np is playing Matchmaker Matchmaker. And probably offered some 5 Star Manhattan penthouse as the “sex pad”. It’s just that MT isn’t buying into this I still love you scenario. Probably scared she’ll get snuffed like JD. If I were MT, I’d hire an armed guard like GF. At this point, MT might be the only critical piece of evidence tying FD to murder. What’s another murder between friends?

Under your theory do you think that KM and his STBX might also be on 'the list' and should be careful too?

I thought the State's ongoing work to attempt to dismantle FD 24th missing date alibi has been done with surgeon like precision. IMO they are working on the rest of the pieces of the alibi so maybe we will see more in coming weeks/months. Can you imagine if KM goes to jail/prison for his sexual assault charge and so could effectively arrive to give testimony on behalf of FD at some point in an "orange jail" jumpsuit? What a vision!

Just keep thinking about the body language we saw in court and FD IMO looked shellshocked/alternately annoyed but Pattis just seemed off. Really wonder what the Judge said in Chambers. I give State Atty points for keeping the hearing moving and not engaging in the typical Pattis ploy of 'tit for tat'. States Atty is playing his own game in this and not attempting to play the Pattis game which is also admirable I think. But we shall see I guess which strategy prevails.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

Nice list and explanation...thank you.

And, after re-reading an article this morning, I realized we're talking about three months of billing. Here's a quote from NP that was in the Stamford Advocate.

Pattis said he’s acquired billing records indicating Jennifer Dulos had $14,000 worth of “tests, blood work, diagnostic treatment and ‘lab-reproductive’ coding for work done from February through April 2019.”

“The defendant seeks information about the diagnosis and treatment Ms. Dulos received in the weeks before her disappearance as such information may shed light on what may have motivated her to disappear,” Pattis’ motion says.

Jennifer Dulos case: Fotis seeks estranged wife’s medical records

NP is detail challenged, IMO. He either changes times (weeks vs months), amounts (thousands vs hundreds of thousands), or number of vicious press chasing his client. Someone in an earlier thread mentioned that his associate KS was the detail man....NP seems to only be concerned with the size of his audience and the importance of being correct. I've noticed that there are times in court in which he reads his statements...for accuracy? However, when he speaks to the press he's "free wheeling." MOO...MOO

Thanks for pulling up the quote about ‘lab-reproductive’ coding as I remembered it being said but just couldn't go back and watch that sad showing yet again!

I wonder what ‘lab-reproductive’ coding means?

But to your point of 3 months of billing for tests I am not seeing these medical tests as some kind of "smoking gun" are you? But given that I am suspicious of No Case Norm motives it might make sense to think about where he might have been going on this fishing expedition. We don't know if the tests were called for by a single Dr or multiple Drs either? But even if they were from a single Dr it could have been a situation where a something came up in an initial test and DR/JD were retesting over time or making dietary or drug changes etc. This is all pure speculation as we just don't know.

I still though am concerned that neither the State nor the Judge asked the original source of the medical test information as if FD opened a letter addressed to JD that was sent to his house in error, I am not seeing that he has the legal right to this info to begin with. I am also concerned that he might have hacked JD personal email or online acct with insurance to gain information that he is not legally entited to.

I hope the GF has secured JD online accounts and email to protect from access by unauthorized parties. Hate to even have to think about the depths to which Pattis will dive but this might unfortunately get quite ugly if his first public investigative foray is to go after personal medical records. Ugh.


MOO

 

[BellaVita]

But FD did drop it, at least on the kids-why would he continue to pay for JD? I mean, I know he was required to continue it, but he didn’t follow the order. I guess maybe we will eventually find out during FD’s trial

Also, I still don't understand the lawyer for JD. I understand if a woman with children who doesn't have job skills wants and demands that her husband continue to pay health insurance. But that was not the case with JD. She had money. She must have explained to her lawyer what they were dealing with. If the lawyer was smart and not just interested in billable hours, he would have told her to forget about making FD pay for anything. All the wasted money and time on useless motions....losses just needed to be cut. GF could still pursue FD separately. JD lawyer should have told her not to ask for a single thing and just get custody taken care of. Because sometimes, when you lose, you really win. MOO

 

[BellaVita]

Thanks for pulling up the quote about ‘lab-reproductive’ coding as I remembered it being said but just couldn't go back and watch that sad showing yet again!

I wonder what ‘lab-reproductive’ coding means?

But to your point of 3 months of billing for tests I am not seeing these medical tests as some kind of "smoking gun" are you? But given that I am suspicious of No Case Norm motives it might make sense to think about where he might have been going on this fishing expedition. We don't know if the tests were called for by a single Dr or multiple Drs either? But even if they were from a single Dr it could have been a situation where a something came up in an initial test and DR/JD were retesting over time or making dietary or drug changes etc. This is all pure speculation as we just don't know.

I still though am concerned that neither the State nor the Judge asked the original source of the medical test information as if FD opened a letter addressed to JD that was sent to his house in error, I am not seeing that he has the legal right to this info to begin with. I am also concerned that he might have hacked JD personal email or online acct with insurance to gain information that he is not legally entited to.

I hope the GF has secured JD online accounts and email to protect from access by unauthorized parties. Hate to even have to think about the depths to which Pattis will dive but this might unfortunately get quite ugly if his first public investigative foray is to go after personal medical records. Ugh.


MOO

NP said he "acquired" the info about the tests. Perhaps from the divorce filings? Did JD list it as an expense that FD should be accountable for since he stopped paying the health insurance premiums?

 

[afitzy]

The judge came across as obsequious to NP IMO. Also not fast enough on his feet. NP made a mockery of the courtroom in so many ways and IMO left the judge in the dust. I hope I’m just confusing showmanship with results. But NP was pushing credulity to the limit. Maybe the judge sharpens his thinking more in contemplation mode after session. Not a good feeling at all.

MOO ooo ooo

Totally agree! Pattis overstepped himself IMO when he attempted to 'school' the Judge and rudely interrupted the Judge at least 3 times.

We will see how this in courtroom dynamic works out. This Judge has a solid history on the bench and I don't believe for a moment he is cowed by Pattis. Its very early days. My sense from listening to the Judge talk in general terms about the gag order that he will go his own way with things and he has a good BS meter too and is seeing that Pattis has been drawing his stories to the press "way outside the lines" and "out of bounds" as the States Atty pointed out yesterday.

One of the more interesting points made by Pattis (huge error I thought!) was Pattis pitiful comment to the Judge about FD hiring his own PR firm to put his story out to the Press if the Judge placed the gag order in place. I don't think you would need to have gone to law school to realize that going around a court order via a PR firm would be problematic and grounds for sanctions. Even the Judge said that this PR firm idea would be a bad idea and even then Pattis never backed down and said I agree Judge it was a bad idea and I said it in a moment of anger.

But perhaps its this thinking and advice from Pattis that got FD in trouble in the KW case? Wonder if Pattis said to FD, "...do whatever you think is necessary to make this problem person go away...", even it meant circumventing KM no contact order with his STBX? Sometimes the things Pattis says either don't make sense or fly in the face of the law in ways that even a layman can detect IMO.

This has me scratching my head as I wonder if he really is doing any good for FD or is he simply sinking him further into the muck?

 

[CTGrammy]

Posturing Pattis. Doesn't the Supreme Court only hear a fraction (like, 1%) of the cases presented? All of FD's follicles will have fallen out by the time they say "no."
On follicles, may I remark that Pattis's were looking particularly smooth yesterday?

I really like your phrase 'Posturing Pattis'.

Now we can call him P P.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

This is a big MOO, but those readers are designed to make sure that non-EZ Pass holders don't get a free ride. To collect money. A couple of weeks after driving past one in NY or RI, a bill is mailed to my house. That's because the system is tied into vehicle registration databases. Now, I would think the system would be set up to flag bogus plates. Otherwise, more people might doctor or use discarded plates. Just musing, but thoughts welcomed. I also wonder how that technology works, e.g., how well it "reads" non-metallic stuff.

I'm always surprised about how crisp and clear the picture is of the license plate is when it comes with the monthly summary for the non-EZ pass holders. I saw one recently taken at night with bad weather and visibility and the resolution was good.

I do wonder though what happens when fake plates are detected? You would think that there is some group tasked with tracking down deadbeats. From the way the plates were described with the tape etc., it doesn't sound like it would have taken a rocket scientist to figure out the tape alterations and get back to the cancelled plates belonging to FD IMO.

Do you think FD used the plates to head to NY and that is why he needed the altered plates? CT doesn't have tolls and even though I have been searching on the issue of plate readers on major highways I can't find out much other than that they exist along with the traffic cams that everyone is already family with on 95 and Merritt and I would think 91 and 84 etc.

MOO