Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #19

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If you ever doubted that PR works, think about those Popeye's chicken sandwiches!
Similar to the poorly thought out Pattis PR it looks like the PR tide might be turning against Popeye's though....reading mixed reviews of the sandwich and some of the pics online look a bit sad! But then the other camp strikes back and on and on it goes on social media. Now I'm just confused? Which one is better? Or is it like Pattis where neither he nor FO feels any connection to the truth so you just tune them out as being noise?

Was the sandwich any good? Did you taste test both sandwiches to see which was best?

MOO
 
  • #282
Loved this!

Not sure how comfy I would feel if my alibi is a bright light solid upstanding moral and ethical non-citizen like MT! I would be quaking in my Seal protector boots if what stood between me and 20 to life in prison for murder is MT. But I guess Pattis has to work with the bad hand of cards he has been dealt and he is simply trying to make it work IMO!

Wonder which of the former FORE folks was at 4Jx? SR (he wrote one of the letter GF used in the civil case)? GV? KM? Wonder if he got the whole crew together and got MT in on Skype for a guest appearance and toast with the boys!

I very sadly don't believe a body exists and perhaps that is why MIRA was worth it for LE? We just don't know unfortunately.

MOO
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@afitzy this is priceless. I actually did laugh out loud. Jokes aside, thank you for all the value you add to this thread! You’re the advocate we’d all want if we were in JD’s shoes.
 
  • #283
Pattis is the one tainting the jury pool with all his stories. Gag order would really make him mad
If I were the judge and such an order was consistent with CT. procedural rules, it would be my first order of business tomorrow. This is a high profile case, though, and as I have said before, FD is greatly benefitting from it. Everyone is watching, so the judge has to get his law clerk to research the law and draft a bulletproof order. That takes time, too. So once again, FD is playing the system, as he has learned to do so well.

Also, some judges are flat out philosophically opposed to issuing gag orders, for many valid reasons. They can be difficult to implement and enforce. Slicksters always find a way around them and it can become very messy, very quickly. There is also a feeling among some judges that such orders offend our collective free speech sensibilities and the notion of an open and fair trial. I agree these are valid concerns.

Still, there must be some limit to this conduct. It really is turning this whole case into a proverbial circus, constituting nothing more than a free continuous advertisement for NP. HE is the one keeping this in the press. HE is the one attempting to taint the jury pool, and will next claim such publicity justifies a change of venue. Some semblance of decorum has got to be imposed. It isn't the easiest of jobs but if a federal judge can issue and enforce and gag order against Roger Stone, who will be talking as they lower his casket into the ground, I am confident that this judge can likewise fashion an appropriate order here.

By the way, what ever happened to the trial that took NP away for awhile (and shut him up, as much as that is possible)? Let me guess, a guilty verdict or a guilty plea?
 
  • #284
IMO he did make money and I agree with you that it left the US for places unknown. But I also suspect that he skimmed JD money too as she had trust income of nearly $400,000/yr. While I hope she was smart to only contribute to a household account, my guess is that unfortunately she might have trusted FO with all her income, until she didn't!

I keep thinking about the friend of JD that disclosed that she had been writing a story/book about her life/marriage. FD in his testimony in Family court was so dismissive of JD writing and her 'writing room' that IMO he would be enraged with an expose type story hitting the public. Wonder if this book ever sees the light of day? I'd certainly love to read it! What JD experienced at the hands of a narcopath like FO must have been horrific and so I am glad she found some peace in her craft of writing as there musn't have been much peace living with FO IMO.

Can you imagine how JD felt as a single parent home with 5 small children in Farmington while FO travels 10 days a month for 'personal travel' most likely using JD money to do so and watching while he conducts multiple affairs over time before 'finding' MT? Can you say GIGOLO? It said alot about JD in terms of patience and forgiveness IMO that it took FO saying that MT and her daughter were moving into 4Jx before she hit the eject button on the marriage after 12 years of a gradual descent into HELL with FO.

MOO

BBM

I have high hopes that the household bills went directly to the trust accountants and were paid through them.

If the trust money was put into the family's household accounts FO would have been able to receive half in the divorce settlement.

I feel sure the trust's attorneys would have advised Jennifer accordingly.

MOO
 
  • #285
Dulos case: Defense seeks state evidence with emergency order

The emergency order, filed Tuesday by attorney Norm Pattis, asks the judge to compel the state attorney to share the evidence “critical” to his client’s defense. If the state does not play ball, Pattis asked that the state be prevented from using any evidence it won’t share in the prosecution.
“Given the extraordinary public interest in this case, and given the fact that scarcely a day has passed since Ms. Dulos vanished in which there is not a press account repeating the suspicion that Mr. Dulos engaged in foul play, it is fundamentally unfair for the state to withhold this evidence while the jury pool is daily exposed to adverse publicity about the case,” Pattis wrote
Pattis claims the state has evidence that Fotis Dulos was not present at his estranged wife’s home on the day she was reported missing, but refuses to provide it to the defense. He requested that the state provide evidence regarding Troconis’ interview with investigators, as well as information pulled from Fotis Dulos’ computers and cell phones.
Pattis argued that his client needs to be given access to these items in order to “perfect his alibi.”

What the He**?

Perfect His Alibi? Seriously?

What? FO does not want to get caught Lying?

What? FO wants to see what LE has so that FO can make the alibi fit to what LE has?

Either FO has an Alibi for that Morning or FO doesn't.

You do not 'Perfect' an alibi based on what LE has.

That is called 'Making It Up As You Go'.

Oh, I forgot, 'Making It Up As You Go' is NP's Forte.

FO should provide LE with FO's Alibi for that Entire day, regardless of the information contained in the items seized.

WE all know that JD was murdered after school drop off at 8:00 am and at the very latest 9:30 am on May, 24, 2019. JD would have left for Manhattan absolutely no later than 9:30 am and that would be pushing it to arrive, park, and check-in for her 11:00 am Doctor appointment.

An Astounding MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
 
  • #286
Similar to the poorly thought out Pattis PR it looks like the PR tide might be turning against Popeye's though....reading mixed reviews of the sandwich and some of the pics online look a bit sad! But then the other camp strikes back and on and on it goes on social media. Now I'm just confused? Which one is better? Or is it like Pattis where neither he nor FO feels any connection to the truth so you just tune them out as being noise?

Was the sandwich any good? Did you taste test both sandwiches to see which was best?

MOO
It worked pretty well as Popeye's announced they were running out and would stop selling them this week....not enough product! (I hate chicken sandwiches so I'm safe from their PR!)
 
  • #287
KM.png HC KM.png The HC has been working hard IMO to investigate the KM/FO connection. I still don't get why FO wasn't arrested for his role in working around the KM no contact order with the STBX but that will have to be a question for another day I guess.

Below is part of HC article that takes us back to the good ole days when No Case Norm seemed that he might have some semblance of a case. Pattis was actually talking about an alibi. People actually verified to the HC that KM was the atty that was at 4Jx with FO on the 24th. Pattis has stopped talking about this 'alibi'.

Can you imagine the defense lineup to alibi FO: MT and KM. Heads you lose and Tails you lose IMO. How could it be possible to have 2 such witnesses standing between you and 20 to life.

No wonder Pattis is losing his mind if this is what he has to work with!

Rough waters ahead in Pattisville IMO.

MOO
 
  • #288
It looks like its 'game on' from Team Gloria!

My bet is that the only way she will ever see follow through on her motion is if an entire team of Marshalls show up at 4Jx and confiscate everything. But unfortunately the State has FO/FORE computers still as he asked for them back at the last court hearing.

Perhaps GF atty will have better luck accessing the computers now that they are in the hands of the state, assuming the Judge gives her access via approval of the motion.

It is preposterous IMO that someone can not pay child support for 2 years (in addition to all the other misdeeds) and have zero consequences. This baffles me. What would have happened in this case if JD didn't have money or a parent that was able to provide support? I think I would like to ask FO this question (amongst many others!) someday. This choice IMO of not supporting his children will no doubt come back and bite him in his quest for custody.

I have full faith that the GF legal team is hard at work on terminating FO parental rights and with the huge family court file at their disposal full of such compelling evidence about who FO is as a parent and person I would bet that they are saying its worth it to take the legal risk to make sure the children are safe and sound.

MOO
I absolutely hate to think what kind of attorney's fees GF is having to pay. Good NY lawyers are very expensive. I know she would spend Every. Single. Penny to ensure her daughter's killer spends the rest of his life in jail. Sadly, though it is going to be very expensive to raise those kids. Their "beloved" father is spending money that could be going to their support by continuing his frivolous litigation. What a guy.

I do hope she is at least getting some kind of reduced rate or she has so much money that litigation costs are just a line in a ledger. She is a rockstar to me! You've heard of the Notorious RGB? Well, meet the Notorious GF!
 
  • #289
"But in addition to Fotis’ threatening behavior, Jennifer discovered her husband had “had serial affairs” after first learning of his relationship with Michelle in 2017". [BBM]

https://nypost.com/2019/06/22/lawye...orchestrated-her-own-gone-girl-disappearance/

IMO This article was where Team JD punched back against the victim shaming of Pattis & Crew.
I said waaayyyy back that MT was not the first and I was waiting for one to come out of the woodwork. I knew they were out there.
 
  • #290
Wonderful and totally true.

But I have to admit that reading about the loan being listed on FD books and tax returns months ago very much puzzled me. Who would list a 'loan' and then argue in court that its a 'gift'? Then I kept reading and the 'FO show' with KM in Civil Court was virtually identical to the tactics he used in Family Court.

Then it dawned on me that this case wasn't about anything other than tormenting GF for having the chutzpah to ask for the money back that her husband had lent FO. Truth didn't matter, following the courts orders didn't matter and on and on it went. FO had zero gratitude for FIL funding of FORE. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada. IMO.

When you look at the file in the civil case it honestly reads in a very similar way to the family court file. People would ask FO for things, he wouldn't give them and then there are no consequences. The Judge in civil court I think either had a fire lit under them by the States Atty or some other source because the case truly was stalled for quite awhile IMO. The Judge recently has been moving things along and not tolerating such things and 3 no shows for depositions by FO (yes, this is what he did with no consequences).

For some reason that I don't understand KM is still listed as an atty of record along with Atty Bill Murray. KM had filed over a month ago to be released from representing FO but he is still getting copied on all the documents. Perhaps he didn't fill out his paperwork properly? IDK.

MOO
On 7/19/19 KM withdrew his motion to withdraw appearance as counsel, originally filed 6/7/2019 (motion to withdraw appearance was 119.0, motion to withdraw that one-in effect keeping KM on as counsel-) was 125.0).
Complicated. By staying on KM can claim lawyer-client privilege, right.

Regardless that’s the trail of how he’s still repping FD.
 
  • #291
If I were the judge and such an order was consistent with CT. procedural rules, it would be my first order of business tomorrow. This is a high profile case, though, and as I have said before, FD is greatly benefitting from it. Everyone is watching, so the judge has to get his law clerk to research the law and draft a bulletproof order. That takes time, too. So once again, FD is playing the system, as he has learned to do so well.

Also, some judges are flat out philosophically opposed to issuing gag orders, for many valid reasons. They can be difficult to implement and enforce. Slicksters always find a way around them and it can become very messy, very quickly. There is also a feeling among some judges that such orders offend our collective free speech sensibilities and the notion of an open and fair trial. I agree these are valid concerns.

Still, there must be some limit to this conduct. It really is turning this whole case into a proverbial circus, constituting nothing more than a free continuous advertisement for NP. HE is the one keeping this in the press. HE is the one attempting to taint the jury pool, and will next claim such publicity justifies a change of venue. Some semblance of decorum has got to be imposed. It isn't the easiest of jobs but if a federal judge can issue and enforce and gag order against Roger Stone, who will be talking as they lower his casket into the ground, I am confident that this judge can likewise fashion an appropriate order here.

By the way, what ever happened to the trial that took NP away for awhile (and shut him up, as much as that is possible)? Let me guess, a guilty verdict or a guilty plea?
Is FD really benefiting from it?
IMO, the more NP speaks the harder he is making it for his client.
Granted, I have paid closer attention than the general public.
And, by the time this goes to trial IMO, all this will be a distant memory.
MOO.
 
  • #292
He looks like Rod Taylor in that pic
But these days he looks more like Boris Karloff

Obviously this picture was taken prior to 2017, but not sure when it was taken.
 

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Registered Juris Information For:

Juris Number: 408681
Current Status: ACTIVE
Juris Type: A
Admission Date: 11/8/1993
Office Address: PATTIS & SMITH, LLC
383 ORANGE ST, 1ST FLOOR

NEW HAVEN, CT 06511
(203) 393-3017

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  • #294
On 7/19/19 KM withdrew his motion to withdraw appearance as counsel, originally filed 6/7/2019 (motion to withdraw appearance was 119.0, motion to withdraw that one-in effect keeping KM on as counsel-) was 125.0).
Complicated. By staying on KM can claim lawyer-client privilege, right.

Regardless that’s the trail of how he’s still repping FD.
Thanks! Tried to figure it out and couldn't.

Would privilege drop away if say KM lost his license to practice?
 
  • #295
Exactly! Lol! It’s sad his alibi is MT’s word.

Also, NP said LE was questioning a former FORE employee on Monday. Hmmm. Sounds like the employee is still friendly with FD for NP to know that unless it was the PI sharing info.

I wonder what LE meant when they said that the MIRA search was worth it.

If they have something significant, why not arrest him? Surely they have something?!!!

I’m trying to remain optimistic but when they know the children’s welfare is at stake, it makes me question why they wouldn’t arrest him so custody wouldn’t be an issue any longer.

I know they want the body but it’s time they arrest him and the body will be found eventually, sadly.

MOO
Am sure that LE has "something"...probably many somethings, but in the recent press release LE said it was still getting results from the lab, etc.

Once they arrest FD the clock starts ticking for a trial. Evidence will be shared with the defense. As frustrating as it is to wait, we all want LE to have all the evidence analyzed; the leads followed up; the various threads of the cases woven together so that Pontificating Pattis doesn't pull a Jose Baez and say, "It was all just a terrible accident."

If it appears that RR is able to push the custody and visitation issues, LE may agree to move sooner. Right now, however, LE is on solid investigative time.

NP floated the idea of an emergency hearing in July. The Judge said something to the effect that there's no emergency at this time that would compel the court to act sooner. Hope that remains the prevailing legal ruling.

I think FD is throwing tantrums for NP and/or NP's private investigator is having difficulty getting the information NP wants. NP tends to be overly dramatic, IMO, but I also sense he's a bit frustrated that he's having such difficulty getting info from his police buddies, etc.

Just MOO...MOO...
 
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Oh my!

Looks like things are getting a bit tense and they are in a total panic in Pattisville based on the HC article posted above!

Cannot wait to read the entire five page motion tomorrow!

The HC article posted above did have the following nugget of pure Pattis gold which put me on the edge of my seat waiting for what other nuggets are in the rest of the document!

“The defendant should not be compelled to fiddle in the bright light of public scorn while the state wastes time and resources in the futile effort to place him at the scene of a crime he didn’t commit,” Pattis wrote. [BBM]

Pattis IMO must have been pounding tequila shots with FO at the marble island counter at 4Jx IMO when he wrote the above as it is over the top dramatic. I was going to search for the movie that line came from (convinced I've heard it before) but its simply not worth the effort IMO.

Pattis IMO now risks being seen as hysterical toddler having a temper tantrum in the supermarket as he is screaming to anyone that will listen that he DEMANDS the MT testimony transcript along with whatever other half baked items on his list he believes he is entitled to based strictly on his schedule.

Entitled to me is such a key word in this case as IMO we have an overly entitled client FO and his counsel that is simply beyond overly entitled. Shoutout to No Case Norm, sorry but you will simply have to wait and sadly your client will have to endure the 'bright lights' shining for the justice process to work. If you and your client are feeling overly anxious then by all means pop a xanax and chill! Public Service Notice: But please don't mix the xanax and the tequila as we look forward to your dramatic court appearances!

So Pattis is angry that FO is 'compelled to fiddle in the bright light of public scorn'? Guess so. But it seems like that is par for the course when you are accused of a very serious crime such as tampering/hindering that could most likely be tied to a murder. If you are uncomfortable with 'bright lights', IMO the best way to avoid them is to not commit multiple crimes and be seen on one of the best CCTV city setups in the US dumping evidence with your accomplice MT. Is Pattis saying that the public should feel sorry for the 'bright lights' shining on the bald head and beady eyes of FO? Guess so. By the time he was asking for public sympathy in his motion, Pattis and FO must have had 4 shots because honestly who would expect sympathy for anyone that has been accused of these crimes? Based on all that is now out and public about FO, IMO he was being generous in describing himself as a 'monster'!

Again, no words from Pattisville for missing mother JD. Again, no words from Pattisville about the 5 children without a mother who are no doubt either back in school or heading back to school soon. Nope. The Pattis legal team so far has demonstrated the emotional intelligence of a stone IMO.

Pattis wants the public to be concerned that a light is shining on his client FO. All I can say to this is THANK GOD that the light is on and shining brightly on both Pattis AND his client.

I seriously question the basic intelligence behind Pattis chastising the State for spending money on the investiation and prosecution or make claims about the State wasting time and resources in the investigation of a missing mother of 5 young children. The public is vested in seeking justice in this case so to try to drum up opposition to the cost involved is ludacris IMO. The people of CT have been conditioned to seeing vast waste in Hartford for years so $1 million or so for the JD investigation is a drop in the bucket IMO! The Pattis feeble attempts to bait the State and Atty Bowman are frankly getting old and boring, really old and really boring....


MOO MOO MOO
Will someone get him an editor PLEASE. Back in the day, certain types of lawyers were known to partake of cocaine, which fueled their post-midnight "brilliant"(at least in their minds) legal memoranda. Hey NP, the 80's called; it says drugs are no bueno anymore!

If what you quoted above is a representative sample of the rest of that pleading, I pity the poor judge who has to read it. This guy's written work is atrocious! These are legal pleadings, not piece work for The Enquirer. I never thought I would say this, but that rag's writing looks like a Pulitzer prize winning article when compared to NP's overblown hyperbole.
 
  • #298
If you ever doubted that PR works, think about those Popeye's chicken sandwiches!

You just don't know.

There were some 'bootleg' sandwiches going on around here and unfortunately my 16 year old grandson ran out of here like a bat out of h*** and got there to only find that they were not available yet.

The store was going through training in regards the new sandwich and an employee took two sandwiches out of the store and gave to a family member, who Promptly posted themselves eating it, on social media.

What is the lesson for This Case?

Don't Always Believe What You See in the Media or Social Media.

MOO
 
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Thanks! Tried to figure it out and couldn't.

Would privilege drop away if say KM lost his license to practice?
No
 
  • #300
Exactly! Lol! It’s sad his alibi is MT’s word.

Also, NP said LE was questioning a former FORE employee on Monday. Hmmm. Sounds like the employee is still friendly with FD for NP to know that unless it was the PI sharing info.

I wonder what LE meant when they said that the MIRA search was worth it.

If they have something significant, why not arrest him? Surely they have something?!!!

I’m trying to remain optimistic but when they know the children’s welfare is at stake, it makes me question why they wouldn’t arrest him so custody wouldn’t be an issue any longer.

I know they want the body but it’s time they arrest him and the body will be found eventually, sadly.

MOO
I agree, the sooner those children know the truth and can begin a new life, the better. It puzzles me greatly that LE hasn’t charged him yet.
 
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