Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #21

[Jmoose]

Didn't she say she was sleeping until 6:40am? Wonder what her school drop off schedule is? Have to check EW schedule. MOO

If MT slept until 6:40, then her daughter got up on her own, got ready, and had no company for breakfast. What an awesome mom! And she doesn’t work a second shift job, either. I wonder if anything she says is true?

 

[nina318]

Does anyone recall which previous vehicle the plates were from? I’m considering the matching Porches but I think it was a different vehicle. TIA
Also, I think either MT will wear a wire or other listening device to get the goods and save her butt or she is inherently stupid because FD wouldn’t give a second thought to killing her too especially if he has nothing to lose at this point.
I have seen where others have commented on MTs looks in the initial mug shot and I too believed she looked high or strung out. Does the possibility exist that FD is keeping her on his side due to continued access to drugs? I in no way mean to imply that she is less guilty but trying to fathom why she would maintain a relationship with a man she surely knows killed his wife and mother of his five children. It doesn’t get any riskier than this.
MOO

I'm still focused on the plates. They were from 2007 for a Suburban registered to FD. I just remembered they were altered with tape. SO - @MassGuy it does make sense he used them to trick card readers or cameras. More proof of premeditation.

 

[BellaVita]

OK. But do you think the statement made by MT in the AR is plausible? She gives a fairly wide range for when FD gets back to 4Jx and said they had a 15 min lunch between 12-1:30 pm (she didn't remember exact time). She was clear, however, that she didn't ask him where he had been and that JD name did not come up in conversation.

I'm having a tough time with this one.

FD rolls out of bed very early on the 24th, say 5 am at the latest which is unusual and not their usual schedule and MT doesn't know it or question it?

Then, FD leaves very early with no explanation and also leaves his phone at 4Jx (unusual as its also the business phone number) which is always with him and doesn't return until 12-1:30 pm, and MT doesn't ask any questions?

Does this make sense to anyone? I'm simply not seeing it. This is a couple that run a home based business and have a 12 yo living with them that needs to get to school via car in the am. There is probably a typical routine in place and so far it seems like nothing about the typical routine happened on the 24th/Missing Date IMO.

HELP!

NO!!!!!! I don't think she's plausible. I was trying to explain how she might have been thinking. I tread lightly here. She would have believed anything FD told her about what really happened if she was not involved beforehand. I still do not discount prior knowledge. And I don't think she's a very good person. At all. As another poster pointed out, maybe time and distance are making her see things more clearly. Because of something called Cognitive Dissonance, where the brain cannot reconcile what it believes to be truth with what the facts at hand really are (the truth of a matter), most people take time to process what the truth is. It's a traumatic process when heavily invested. Even for crummy people. It does make me think back to Amber Frey and how she handled things. Old Amber did right very quickly. Maybe someone should tell MT about her. And...NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't think MT is plausible.

 

[Jen3135]

They arrested MT again on additional charges!

 

[citygirl]

OK. But do you think the statement made by MT in the AR is plausible? She gives a fairly wide range for when FD gets back to 4Jx and said they had a 15 min lunch between 12-1:30 pm (she didn't remember exact time). She was clear, however, that she didn't ask him where he had been and that JD name did not come up in conversation.

I'm having a tough time with this one.

FD rolls out of bed very early on the 24th, say 5 am at the latest which is unusual and not their usual schedule and MT doesn't know it or question it?

Then, FD leaves very early with no explanation and also leaves his phone at 4Jx (unusual as its also the business phone number) which is always with him and doesn't return until 12-1:30 pm, and MT doesn't ask any questions?

Does this make sense to anyone? I'm simply not seeing it. This is a couple that run a home based business and have a 12 yo living with them that needs to get to school via car in the am. There is probably a typical routine in place and so far it seems like nothing about the typical routine happened on the 24th/Missing Date IMO.

HELP!

BBM
Sickens me to read this.
MT stretching in bed getting ready to get her daughter off to school.
Her lover has left her bed ( Jennifer's bed). On the way to murder his wife of 12 years.
His wife of 12 years is scurrying to get THEIR five children off to school. Five children!
She kisses them good bye for the last time.
Then Daddy comes a callin'.
MOO.

 

[afitzy]

NO!!!!!! I don't think she's plausible. I was trying to explain how she might have been thinking. I tread lightly here. She would have believed anything FD told her about what really happened if she was not involved beforehand. I still do not discount prior knowledge. And I don't think she's a very good person. At all. As another poster pointed out, maybe time and distance are making her see things more clearly. Because of something called Cognitive Dissonance, where the brain cannot reconcile what it believes to be truth with what the facts at hand really are (the truth of a matter), most people take time to process what the truth is. It's a traumatic process when heavily invested. Even for crummy people. It does make me think back to Amber Frey and how she handled things. Old Amber did right very quickly. Maybe someone should tell MT about her. And...NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't think MT is plausible.

I see your point but I don't think MT needs to be a rocket scientist to realize or recall that the routine on the 24th wasn't what it was most other days.

Sure she is probably in deep mourning for herself as she vested 3 years in a guy that lied to her and probably promised her the moon, just used her to enrage his STBX and now she is sitting in CT (a place she probably never wanted to be to begin with!) looking at prison time and losing custody of her daughter.

She probably should have immediate counseling as even though her Mom is a former psychologist she doesn't seem to be having an impact here.

I also very much question whether the response to any of this is to simply lie? Any article I've read about lying is that it takes alot of psychological energy to pull off. Obviously MT isn't very good at lying because LE easily figured out the lies.

It seems like the more obvious response from MT would have been to say nothing. But it doesn't appear she did this and instead just kept repeating the comments from the 'alibi notes' as if she were a brainwashed cult member.

Reading through the MT comments in the FD arrest warrant IMO are more than a bit disturbing as she simply seems for lack of a better word "off"?

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I have a rescued bulldog too!

Oh, so cool! I wondered with your user name! Awesome! I just adore them!!! I’ve had them for years and since there always are English bulldogs in need of homes, I hope I always do! Yay for you in rescuing your bulldog!!!

 

[BellaVita]

I see your point but I don't think MT needs to be a rocket scientist to realize or recall that the routine on the 24th wasn't what it was most other days.

Sure she is probably in deep mourning for herself as she vest 3 years in a guy that lied to her and probably promised her the moon and now she is sitting in CT (a place she probably never wanted to be to begin with!) looking at prison time.

She probably should have immediate counseling as even though her Mom is a former psychologist she doesn't seem to be having an impact here.

I also very much question whether the response to any of this is to simply lie? Any article I've read about lying is that it takes alot of psychological energy to pull off. Obviously MT isn't very good at lying because LE easily figured out the lies.

It seems like the more obvious response from MT would have been to say nothing. But it doesn't appear she did this and instead just kept repeating the comments from the 'alibi notes' as if she were a brainwashed cult member.

Reading through the MT comments in the FD arrest warrant IMO are more than a bit disturbing as she simply seems for lack of a better word "off"?

You are preaching to the choir. I agree with everything you wrote. Everything.

 

[CTGrammy]

Does anyone recall which previous vehicle the plates were from? I’m considering the matching Porches but I think it was a different vehicle. TIA
Also, I think either MT will wear a wire or other listening device to get the goods and save her butt or she is inherently stupid because FD wouldn’t give a second thought to killing her too especially if he has nothing to lose at this point.
I have seen where others have commented on MTs looks in the initial mug shot and I too believed she looked high or strung out. Does the possibility exist that FD is keeping her on his side due to continued access to drugs? I in no way mean to imply that she is less guilty but trying to fathom why she would maintain a relationship with a man she surely knows killed his wife and mother of his five children. It doesn’t get any riskier than this.
MOO

The vehicle tags in question were from a 2007 Suburban that FO used to own. FO currently has a 2015 Suburban and Jennifer's is a 2017 Suburban. All 3 were black.

IMO, FO used the Altered Tags on EE's Red Truck to elude detection on his travels that Friday.

If FO had removed the altering tape and placed the plates back to where he stored them, they would never have been connected to Jennifer's disappearance.

FO left the altering tape on them, placed them in a FedEx box, and placed them in a drain in the middle of the Albany Road section of Hartford.

It was as if FO Wanted the plates to be found. Why?

IMO, to Set Up EE. Or, at least Point to EE in the event the plates were ever found.

IMO, there were so many other ways of disposing of them.

Since EE parks at 4JC each day/week then EE could have access to the plates, so it is not a far stretch that FO could have accused EE of taking them in the event they were found in Hartford.

IMO

 

[Chloe_ee]

Thank you for posting this. I'm still sticking to the belief that MT has had no change of heart, or come to Jesus meeting with her attorney. MT has ice in her veins, much like JD. A Ho is a Ho. IMO people need to stop wasting their time projecting any humanity onto her.

Agree. She’s not some innocent nice lady that fell for a married scoundrel, and got caught up in this “murder-missing-estranged-wife-mess” helplessly - she was all in on the murder. I don’t believe she’s had a come to Jesus with her attorney, and I don’t think she will flip. Just MO of course.

MT latest news is “she helped FD clean up a coffee spill” an innocuous coffee spill. That’s what was in the bags... She’s not even trying to fake helping LE with her nonsense.

 

[afitzy]

Sarah Wallace NBC NY Report - interview with Pattis and EE Atty (first time appearance here):

Read the Gripping Fotis Dulos Affidavit: Anatomy of a Crime?

 

[sunshinegirl2013]

OK. But do you think the statement made by MT in the AR is plausible? She gives a fairly wide range for when FD gets back to 4Jx and said they had a 15 min lunch between 12-1:30 pm (she didn't remember exact time). She was clear, however, that she didn't ask him where he had been and that JD name did not come up in conversation.
FD rolls out of bed very early on the 24th, say 5 am at the latest which is unusual and not their usual schedule and MT doesn't know it or question it?

Does this make sense to anyone? I'm simply not seeing it. This is a couple that run a home based business and have a 12 yo living with them that needs to get to school via car in the am. There is probably a typical routine in place and so far it seems like nothing about the typical routine happened on the 24th/Missing Date IMO.

HELP!

It doesn't make sense because it's a lie. Even giving her the biggest benefit of the doubt that she's a sound sleeper & missed his leaving so early, who has lunch with their partner (even a quick lunch) & doesn't ask some basic questions (like where did he go so early/what was he doing/who was he with etc.). Her contrived story is bs imo.

 

[afitzy]

NBC CT Report today on MT arrest - another interview with EE atty and Reporter goes to knock on EE house FT Door.

Fotis Dulos' Girlfriend Turns Herself In to Police

 

[MsBetsy]

Thanks - at the risk of appearing a bit daft - I am still baffled. How would this help, since plates trace to him? I would understand if stolen plates were in the drain. And did they use the plates on any vehicle they used?

I think the numbers on the plate had been changed, if I remember correctly. He changed a number and letter so the real plate number could not be read. Imo

 

[afitzy]

Dinan article summarizing the FD arrest warrant - for those that don't have time to go through the entire warrant IMO this is an excellent summary and provides a number of relevant and interesting questions as well:

‘Lying in Wait’: State Police Affidavit Points to Premeditation in Jennifer Dulos Case

 

[afitzy]

Dinan did a quick update tonight on MT arrest - another excellent summary IMO:

State Police: Girlfriend Also Charged with Tampering in Jennifer Dulos Case

Quotes from article:
"Though investigators haven’t placed her at the scene of a violent crime that marked the last time a New Canaan mom of five was seen alive, Michelle Troconis repeatedly lied to authorities about her own doings that Friday in May and in the critical days that followed, according to a state police detective".

Michelle Troconis. Photo courtesy of the Connecticut State Police

"Troconis, live-in girlfriend of the man that authorities say traveled to New Canaan early on the morning of May 24 to ambush his estranged wife—and then tried to clean up the scene and fled with her body—played a key role in the cover-up by helping Fotis Dulos see to it that the vehicle he used could be scrubbed of evidence, according to an arrest warrant application from Detective John Kimball of the state police Western District Major Crime Squad".

"Fotis Dulos is accused of trying to clean up the borrowed red Toyota Tacoma he drove to New Canaan that day in three main ways, according to Kimball’s affidavit—by wiping it down himself, urging its owner to replace the back seats and having it detailed".

"According to Kimball, Troconis knowingly helped her boyfriend in each of those efforts, though she lied about it prior to her June 8 arrest on felony hindering and tampering charges".

"During a May 29 interview with detectives, she claimed Fotis Dulos had told her the Tacoma’s owner—Pawel Gumienny, a project manager for Fotis Dulos’s building company, The Fore Group—wanted to sell the pickup truck".

“For this reason, Dulos had planned to bring the Toyota to have it cleaned and detailed,” Kimball said in his affidavit. “Troconis claimed, ‘Fotis at some point calls me says … pick me up at the car wash in the parking lot and so I went to pick him up and then we went … to meet with Andy (attorney Andrew Bowman) and we drove.’ Troconis made it sound as if she had no idea what [Fotis] Dulos was doing and that she had simply been called by Dulos to come pick him up. Only through pointed questioning did Troconis admit she had followed [Fotis] Dulos to Russell Speeders Car Wash in Avon where she waited in the parking lot for him to emerge from the lobby before the two drove to Westport to meet with Attorney Bowman.”

 

[The Night Watchman]

That may be true if MT is not also a sociopath, which in IMO she is.

Haha, I never thought of that possibility.

But I don't think that sociopaths can co-exist in relationship. They manipulate, and it is not easy to manipulate them.

I just think MT is of low moral character, and of weak character. She has heard nothing but how "horrible" JD was, so this aligned with her interests and she believed it.

 

[DetectiveFoyleWannabe]

Is there an Arrest Warrant for the second set of tampering charges for MT? I haven’t seen but would love to.

 

[oceancalling]

What is eerie is it was almost a week later.
EE demanded to get his truck back on 5/24.
When did he acquiesce and give the truck back?
MOO.

That very afternoon. MT had obviously and IMO deliberately taken the keys to the Tacoma with her when she left in a ploy to get EE to leave the truck with FD over the weekend. Had the EE not insisted upon its return that very day, those back seats would have been history IMO. This puts MT up to her neck in at least the post-murder activity. In reading the State's documents today, other questions jumped out at me:
1. FD's phone travelled to 80 MS at 1:37 on the 24th. How did it get there? If MT took it there, who told her to? When? MT told LE that she and FD ate a quick lunch , but she did not ask him where he had been and didn't discuss anything of substance. Her recollection then gets fuzzy, so that makes me wonder. A lot. (Of course, I am also surprised that was not curious about why FD left his phone at home that morning);
2.From 1:37 to 3:38 p.m that same day, FD's phone remained at 80MS. IMO what happened during that time period is, of course, significant. Was MT at that location during that time period and if so, for how much of it? What has she told LE about FD's actions or behavior while she was with him at the house;
3. Why were she and FD waiting in the driveway to meet the EE when he drove up? Was it because they wanted to make sure he did not go into that home? If not, why not? What precisely did she observe at 80MS while she was there with FD?
4. Her boyfriend's estranged wife goes missing and the only thing they talk about when she learns of Jennifer's disappearance s the Alibi Script and not why it is being created? Remember MT KNEW the "facts" they each wrote out to remember their alibi were completely fabricated by the two of them, including FD's presence at "their" home (ie the one wholly paid for by Dr. Farber) the morning he murdered Jennifer. Was there no "a terrible thing happened and now the police are going to be looking at me?" No, "you have to help me or I am going to be blamed for a murder I didn't commit." FD had to have said more than is being disclosed. How did her agreement to lie for FD come about?

I have no doubt LE also has MT's phone information, so it most likely has answered some of these questions, although I do not remember LE ever saying it she surrendered her phone. If MT was in that house for 2 hours while FD was preparing evidence of his crime for disposal, there is simply no reason for her failure to recollect what she observed. So it would seem she has more information than is contained in the AW.

MT could have spent some of the afternoon of the 24th retrieving her daughter from school, but I am now interested in learning more about her whereabouts for the entire day. I have no doubt LE has constructed a significant timeline of her activities that day. Her clueless bimbo responses must surely have frustrated the State, though. I hope today was the day that MT began to understand her actions right now will seal her fate. She needs to bear in mind one of Mark Twain's oft-quoted sayings,"If you tell the truth, you don't have to 'remember' anything.

 

[Tink56]

Dinan article summarizing the FD arrest warrant - for those that don't have time to go through the entire warrant IMO this is an excellent summary and provides a number of relevant and interesting questions as well:

‘Lying in Wait’: State Police Affidavit Points to Premeditation in Jennifer Dulos Case

Great, readable summary...interesting comment below the article about someone seeing FD recently riding a bike through Waveny Park...at a very fast speed.