Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #29

[Jmoose]

If someone isn't ratcheting that ankle bracelet to counter his weight loss, HE could be gone girl, waterskiing in Greece before they notice he's given them the slip.

MOO

I like to think of his weight loss as the consequence of having earned no money, so he can’t afford to eat! In reality, it is much more likely that he is starving himself so he can give the authorities the slip

 

[BellaVita]

I would think that if they were following him from the get go they would have trailed him to Albany ave and not needed to rely on cell tower pings and surveillance alone. But maybe I’m wrong.

The Trash Bin Odyssey of Stupidity was nearly concurrent with police discovering JD vehicle. Vehicle discovered 7PM. Hartford run berween 7:10 and 7:40 as per arrest warrant.
https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.tow...-11e9-991d-536198256533/5d704b7b09ca8.pdf.pdf

 

[SkylarSid]

I would think that if they were following him from the get go they would have trailed him to Albany ave and not needed to rely on cell tower pings and surveillance alone. But maybe I’m wrong.

They didn't announce her missing until about the time of the Albany Av. run. They were just discovering that something had happened. IMO, I am sure they started keeping an eye on him beginning later that evening.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

IIRC, someone posted very early in this forum that it was somewhere in her many courts motions that JF had stated at some point that FD had told her he would NEVER allow her to divorce him. Does anyone else remember that? In other words, he was never going to allow that kind of money walk out of his life!

Yes, I remember reading that in the court documents before they were sealed.

I also remember FD was fit to be tied when he and MT were hosting a Greek Easter gathering with 17 members of MT's family, and his children were not allowed to attend due to visitation restrictions. He tried to get a 'waiver' and wasn't able to, had just assumed he could have his kids with him at a holiday gathering with MT's family, and they were gobsmacked he wasn't allowed to have them there, poor felonious fellow! IMO, he and MT were jumping right into the 'blended family' pool and were tripped up by the restrictions that he had brought on himself with all his terrible behavior with JD and his children and noncompliance with court orders, according to court documents IIRC.

 

[Seattle1]

Jennifer Dulos case: Pattis files formal gag order appeal with state Supreme Court

Oct 9, 2019

[...]

Pattis filed a 12-page brief to the Supreme Court, arguing the gag order has left his client defenseless against police leaks and the intense media scrutiny surrounding the disappearance.

Robert Scheinblum, senior assistant state’s attorney, filed a response, supporting an appeal hearing and also contending the Supreme Court should uphold Blawie’s order.

The court granted Pattis' request for an appeal earlier this month.

Pattis will have until Oct. 28 to file his brief seeking to have the gag order overturned.

Scheinblum will have until Nov. 22 to provide a response.

The Hartford Courant also filed a brief in support of Pattis' move to have the gag order overturned, but it was rejected, likely because the state Supreme Court had not yet agreed to hear the appeal.

[...]

Fotis Dulos is fielding offers from television shows, Pattis said, and it will be up to his client if he wants to appear.

The judge did not ban all speech in connection with the case, Pattis told Chaz and AJ.

"We cannot talk about the credibility of victims, witnesses or other trial participants," Pattis said.

 

[BellaVita]

Yes, I remember reading that in the court documents before they were sealed.

I also remember FD was fit to be tied when he and MT were hosting a Greek Easter gathering with 17 members of MT's family, and his children were not allowed to attend due to visitation restrictions. He tried to get a 'waiver' and wasn't able to, had just assumed he could have his kids with him at a holiday gathering with MT's family, and they were gobsmacked he wasn't allowed to have them there, poor felonious fellow! IMO, he and MT were jumping right into the 'blended family' pool and were tripped up by the restrictions that he had brought on himself with all his terrible behavior with JD and his children and noncompliance with court orders, according to court documents IIRC.

Hehe. Because FD and Troconis family are so spiritual and religiously observant. I know Christmas has kind of taken on a universal type of feel-good celebration and I get it. But Easter is sort of solemn and really moving to believers. Not a vehicle to show off your kids to the family of your mistress. JMO.

 

[MDATCA]

Perhaps he is going to live or is now living with his lawyer or investigator much like felon Anthony.

Considering the investigator CA lives with is the very same one that is working for Fo and Pattis things would get real "fun" rather quickly with all those narcs living together. Maybe MTV can get a reality show contract with them all.

 

[Megnut]

Pattis says the gag order leaves his violent defenseless. No, your client left himself defenseless, as in without defense, when he got himself caught on passing cameras bracketing the very same time his estranged wife went missing. There's poison ivy and blood on those hands.

MOO

 

[Jmoose]

Jennifer Dulos case: Pattis files formal gag order appeal with state Supreme Court

Oct 9, 2019

[...]

Pattis filed a 12-page brief to the Supreme Court, arguing the gag order has left his client defenseless against police leaks and the intense media scrutiny surrounding the disappearance.

Robert Scheinblum, senior assistant state’s attorney, filed a response, supporting an appeal hearing and also contending the Supreme Court should uphold Blawie’s order.

The court granted Pattis' request for an appeal earlier this month.

Pattis will have until Oct. 28 to file his brief seeking to have the gag order overturned.

Scheinblum will have until Nov. 22 to provide a response.

The Hartford Courant also filed a brief in support of Pattis' move to have the gag order overturned, but it was rejected, likely because the state Supreme Court had not yet agreed to hear the appeal.

[...]

Fotis Dulos is fielding offers from television shows, Pattis said, and it will be up to his client if he wants to appear.

The judge did not ban all speech in connection with the case, Pattis told Chaz and AJ.

"We cannot talk about the credibility of victims, witnesses or other trial participants," Pattis said.

“Victims”? He thinks there is more than one victim? Like, who, besides Jennifer, is a “victim”? His idiot of a client? I am really hoping that he means Jennifer and her children. The only things that FD and MT are victims of, are their own premeditated actions. And by the way-he is hardly defenseless. He doesn’t even have to mount a defense; the state has to prove his guilt. Sounds to me like NP isn’t sure of his ability to deflect the state’s evidence.

 

[Alathea]

bbm

MT wasn't his first or last sidepiece. JD knew that FD was a philanderer. She knew he had many "flings". But she overlooked the others because she didn't consider cheating on her as a reason to create a row in the family. She just accepted that as part of who FD was. But MT was different, according to JD. JD thought there was some 'seriousness' and continuity w/ MT. This one could really rock the boat. MT wasn't a 2 night stand like the others. And she was right.

Ah, but MT was a one night stand (by her own admittance) when she got pregnant with her daughter by her former boss, <modsnip>.

 

[Alathea]

$1,000,000.00 reward would be tempting. To anyone. Especially if they have huge bills of their own to pay. To save their butt.
Hmmm. Who fits that profile?

She won’t go for it-she is in too deep, and apparently thinks that not cooperating will keep her out of prison

I think she's delusional enough to go for it. Seriously. (And you know she needs the money - if she doesn't now, she certainly will before it's all over.)

 

[Alathea]

With other women I've known going through similar problems within the family, the wives try to keep it 'within' the immediate family until they can't any longer.
There's horrible shame and humiliation to admit to outsiders that the man you chose to be your husband for life has betrayed everything
he promised to uphold. Women I've know keep it quiet until it becomes public by arrest, injuries, divorce papers filed, etc.

FD had no impulse control when he hit the parking attendant. Why would he have impulse control behind closed doors with his lowly wife? He wouldn't. She suffered. She was hit, pushed, bruised, shoved many times,
IMO.

ITA. There was likely physical abuse - about which she told no one. Why not tell anyone? Because, most of all, she wanted to protect the kids from that knowledge. Her fear wasn't based on threats alone. He was known to be physically abusive with others, so there's no doubt he was with her, as well.

moo

 

[Alathea]

I'm not an attorney but common sense tells me when there are over 400 motions (the figure quoted by another WS poster) in a divorce and no resolution in sight after a few years that the participants have lost perspective & trying to untangle their lives together in the best way possible has been reduced to a "game" where "winning" or "losing" becomes what's important. In no way am I minimizing her attempt to protect her children; however, I would have hoped that that could have been accomplished in a less contentious, more timely & less costly manner. MOO.

Your note brings up important points. When women (usually, by far, but not always, the women) continue to protect their children in the courts, particularly where there is money involved, the protective motions are often considered "excessive" by those who are not directly involved.

One of the classic ways abusers continue to abuse the wife after separation is through the courts. If you go through her motions, you'll see they were protective, and not offensive or to get something for herself (as his were) - they were to get her children taken care of and keep them safe. It's worth going through them - at least, the ones we can see - to prove this fact.

Sometimes, the man will file frivolous motions with no intent of doing his part, just to get the woman into court, just to see her. This is fairly common with abusive men. Unfortunately, judges fail to see this abuse-via-court-motions, and allow it to continue.

It's also important for the woman to not give up and allow an abusive man to take whatever he wants by giving up in the courts. Some women do this, hoping it will keep things quiet and settle things. Unfortunately, it usually doesn't stop the man from filing yet more motions. They keep going, as long as the courts allow it.

Abuse via the courts.

 

[Alathea]

bbm

I just listened to that full hour. Wow. Just wow.

Is it true that the cleaning lady arrived at the NC house and was there all day the day this all happened? How lucky was FD to get out in time?!! No chance for him to come back later for more cleaning, like I'd theorized earlier. How many times had he been to her house, to know her routine, to know what time the cleaning lady would show up? How could he have gotten so lucky otherwise?

I found it telling that Pattis wants everyone to believe FD was with his phone the morning it happened but not with his phone during the Albany run. He leaves it wide open, acknowledging that one can EASILY not be where his phone is.

Remember that scene in A Few Good Men, lead prosecutor asks lead defender, "and just what were those two airmen going to attest to?" Regarding the flight logs... I think the answer was, "absolutely nothing." Methinks, if they depose this supposed Greek chatter, who FD claims his phone talked to, he'll have to divulge that, while the phone did call, there wasn't any speaking. MOO

IMO FD overestimates his supreme cleverness. Ah, but again, he never factored into his beloved differential equations school bus cameras, poison ivy, EE wanting his truck back so soon, more cameras along Albany, etc., etc. Fail.

How that must burn him.

It will be a happy though small victory if he is evicted from the home where he's been a squatter for too long. Please let GF get the justice in court her daughter should have gotten.

MOO

I'd be very careful taking NP's word as truth, even if it gives details we'd want to know or hope for... he simply cannot be trusted.

 

[Alathea]

The problem was, FD wanted EVERYTHING-the children, the house, all of her money, and zero responsibility for what he owed the Farber family. Yes, she might have escaped with her life if she gave up absolutely everything she had, but who knows? I’m sure he wanted Jennifer’s portion of GF’s estate, too. And she shouldn’t have had to compromise to that degree...he wouldn’t have stopped until he had it all. It was never going to end, no matter what she did.

EXACTLY!

 

[jakat]

I like to think of his weight loss as the consequence of having earned no money, so he can’t afford to eat! In reality, it is much more likely that he is starving himself so he can give the authorities the slip

After Martha Stewart was released from prison and sent home with an ankle bracelet, she said she looked online to see how to remove it and she did. She said she left it on the kitchen table. She was given another 3 weeks at home because she violated the terms of her sentence.

I also think FD is going to bolt whenever he can slip out of the ankle bracelet. Where he goes is anybody's guess, but I think he'd try to get to Greece eventually. He's a planner and I really believe he's planning his escape. MOO

 

[sds71]

132.00 10/08/2019 P MOTION FOR COMMISSION FOR DEPOSITION

BONNIE ROSENBERG
RESULT: Granted 10/17/2019 HON CESAR NOBLE

132.86 10/17/2019 C ORDER

RESULT: Granted 10/17/2019 HON CESAR NOBLE

 

[BellaVita]

ITA. There was likely physical abuse - about which she told no one. Why not tell anyone? Because, most of all, she wanted to protect the kids from that knowledge. Her fear wasn't based on threats alone. He was known to be physically abusive with others, so there's no doubt he was with her, as well.

moo

I know you've done alot of DV work. Fear can certainly be based on only threats. IIRC, her request for a restraining order didn't mention anything physical. Sure, she could have left that part out, but for some reason, I think she told the truth. Restraining orders are limited anyway. They might work as a deterrent for a person who is obsessed at the moment but really doesn't want to mess up his life. They don't work for crazy. They don't work if someone wants to kill you for your money, your children or revenge.

You said in another post: Sometimes, the man will file frivolous motions with no intent of doing his part, just to get the woman into court, just to see her. This is fairly common with abusive men. Unfortunately, judges fail to see this abuse-via-court-motions, and allow it to continue.

I don't think FD wanted to "see her" per se. He really hoped she would just disappear. I'm sure he enjoyed dragging things out because it stressed her. By the time she left, she held no value for him at all. IMO.

 

[Alathea]

I know you've done alot of DV work. Fear can certainly be based on only threats. IIRC, her request for a restraining order didn't mention anything physical. Sure, she could have left that part out, but for some reason, I think she told the truth. Restraining orders are limited anyway. They might work as a deterrent for a person who is obsessed at the moment but really doesn't want to mess up his life. They don't work for crazy. They don't work if someone wants to kill you for your money, your children or revenge.

You said in another post: Sometimes, the man will file frivolous motions with no intent of doing his part, just to get the woman into court, just to see her. This is fairly common with abusive men. Unfortunately, judges fail to see this abuse-via-court-motions, and allow it to continue.

I don't think FD wanted to "see her" per se. He really hoped she would just disappear. I'm sure he enjoyed dragging things out because it stressed her. By the time she left, she held no value for him at all. IMO.

<Sure, she could have left that part out, but for some reason, I think she told the truth.>
That's possible. Unfortunately, we don't know - but her mother and/or close friends might know.

<Fear can certainly be based on only threats.>
So true!
But being aware of his physical abuse with others would add to the fear. I just don't feel that he'd limit his abusiveness. (moo)

<I'm sure he enjoyed dragging things out because it stressed her.>
No doubt. More emotional abuse, via the courts.

ETA first comment

 

[Outforjustice]

132.00 10/08/2019 P MOTION FOR COMMISSION FOR DEPOSITION

BONNIE ROSENBERG
RESULT: Granted 10/17/2019 HON CESAR NOBLE

132.86 10/17/2019 C ORDER

RESULT: Granted 10/17/2019 HON CESAR NOBLE

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