Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #30

[Alathea]

does anyone think that she might have had a weapon? I cannot imagine her sleeping or being in that house without looking in the showers and behind every door and looking over her shoulder every day if she was as convinced that she was his target as everyone says. I did ask before if she might have relaxed a bit after the visitation and after his association with MT, and many other commenters said "no way."

Not likely she'd keep a weapon - particularly a gun - in a house with 5 kids 13 and under (along with their various friends) - and she was very clearly upset when she found out FD had a gun - she made that known!

The type of knife that HC referred to (per NP, not a fact yet - it's something HE said to HC) if it indeed exists, was a dangerous weapon. It's highly unlikely to the point of absurd (if not, in fact, likely illegal) to think she'd have a knife like that in her car - the car that regularly carried the kids.

 

[Jmoose]

Along your lines of 'musing' and my continued thinking about motive/s... Reading through the Atty Weinstein motion filed today on yet another response to the tit for tat discovery by FD/KM and Atty BM, it again hit me that FD is 'obsessed' IMO with the wealth of the Farber Family. He is seeking more info on the family finances beyond the 2 JD Trusts (neither of which had anything to do with the FIL loans).

Does FD feel 'entitled' to his 'share' of the Farber fortune for whatever reason? Why go after all this information now, beyond the obvious reason of delay delay delay tactics? It seems like Atty Weinstein believes FD and his attys are doing this discovery game on the Farber wealth to torment and torture GF. This is probably true but I also believe there could be other reasons to do so as well and I find this disturbing.

I've long been fascinated with folks that believe working hard for a living and earning money the 'old fashioned way' is something to be looked down upon or made fun of. The particularly vile category of these people to me are the ones that will KILL for what others worked hard to build or had inherited.

When I think of FD setting up a 'faux' construction firm owning no tools or equipment and using all subcontractors for his work, it seems like FD believed that hard work is 'for other people or maybe the little people'! We have the reports of FD visiting construction sites in designer garb and shoes and being annoyed about mud and dust on the sites. I do wonder if FD delusional tendencies included him believing that he was the same as the Farbers or better yet he was 'better than' the Farbers? At what point did FD start believing his own 'nonsense/BS'?

Its also fascinating how FD and MT 'hooked up' as they seem to be two peas in a pod. MT has IMO zero substantive work experience and seems to have glided from one guy to another over 15-20 years and done zero to build a business or wealth herself and seemed content to get wealth 'via relationships' so far as we can see from her history. Given her focus on wealth, I do wonder if she did get angry when she realised that FD really 'had no wealth'? Can you imagine the conversation between FD and MT where MT said, "...what do you mean we have to kill JF AND take the 5 children to get any money! You idiot, I didn't sign up for that and taking on 5 children that aren't even mine!". We saw the MT arrest photos and the bail hearing performance and her face IMO looked like a lot of crying had taken place. I do wonder if the crying reflected anger at wasting 3 years on a total loser like FD and realising that there was truly no money pot at the end of the rainbow and that she as a largely unemployable 45 yo female with limited prospects was well and truly 'washed up' and looking at many years in prison?

MOO

Your posts are so carefully considered, and in my opinion, exactly right-I really missed you during your brief time “away”!

 

[afitzy]

Didn’t State’s attorney Colangelo request that all cases be heard by Judge Nobel? Did he have that much trust in Nobel’s ability to deal with all of the associated antics?

We don't know how all the cases were consolidated and why a fire seemed to be lit in Civil Court to get the cases moving at all. The guess of some was that the States Atty pushed the system but we have no proof that anything was done other than the fact that the cases started moving after not accomplishing much in over a year and a half. MOO

 

[afitzy]

Your posts are so carefully considered, and in my opinion, exactly right-I really missed you during your brief time “away”!

Thanks! Being 'away' gave me some time to ponder and so now I will err on the side of perhaps being a bit more 'careful'! That thought will last probably all of a week but we shall see as I really missed everyone here! MOO

 

[Tink56]

I just keep thinking and re-thinking FD's movements that fateful morning.

IMO despite his planning, he did not anticipate the breadth of the clean up and it put him waaaay behind schedule. IMO he had a disposal site selected and prepared, no way he left that to chance.

Maybe Sturbridge or adjacent woods were the intended destination, but by the time he finally rolled up in JD's Suburban, EE was already there so FD aborted his plan, went direct to Waveny and made the risky transfer to the truck. If that was not his original plan, maybe he didn't have a tarp to cover the bed and couldn't risk any bags blowing out while he was driving down the interstate or having a trucker look down and see something, thus he was forced to put everything in the cab, requiring the extensive clean up of EE's truck. MOO

Alternatively IMO, upon his later than planned arrival at Sturbridge, he took a chance on EE being occupied with door hardware and hurriedly put something(s) or someone in the dumpster, returning early the next day to remove it or further conceal it. Maybe that is why FD subsequently asked EE if he had seen anything that day? Hoping there is footage from a neighbor's CCTV or Doorbell cam of passing vehicles. MOO

I am curious whose fingerprints are on the tape used to modify the license plate.

Hoping for something substantive soon that brings justice to Jennifer and her loved ones.

Many thanks to all of the interesting and informed posters here with a special thanks to those who find the courage to tell their own stories. Blessings to all of you.

ITA about the Sturbridge property, etc.

FD didn't expect that his deed would take so long. If his plan went according to his timeline, he could have been out of JFD's by 8:30-8:45. It didn't work out that way.

He was left to improvise. EE wasn't going to the work site until 9:00-9:30 if it was a regular work day. (Leaving the Hartford area around 8:00...arriving around 9:00. I believe he said he arrived around 9:30.) I don't know which hardware he was working on, but if it was all interior, FD could have gambled and placed JD's body in the dumpster until later that night/early morning the next day.

I would really like to know about the neighbors behind the Sturbridge property. Did they have working security cameras? Did FD know their work schedules, etc. I remember seeing a dirt path or ditch on Google overheads during the construction. It was difficult to tell what it was exactly, but would love to know more about the long driveway and if it could be accessed easily without someone seeing it.

And, if EE was working in the kitchen area, FD could have driven up to the front of the Sturbridge property garage area and deposited something in the dumpster, perhaps without being seen.

Am also curious if there was any significance in FD inquiring which route EE took back to 4 JX. It seems that there was always a reason behind FD's questions, IMO.

I'm rather fascinated about the conversations about the EE's Tacoma car seats. If I were involved in those, I would have been running to LE QUICKLY. I don't quite understand EE's hesitation in contacting LE. Wonder if he has something in his past or his dealings with FD that made him concerned about involving himself with LE. NP hinted at this in his short mini-rant after AW2...."Lying Lover and Handyman with Something to Hide."

So much we don't know....thanks to all who keep thinking....it's so complex. Hope LE is way ahead of us in all the courts and motions!

 

[Jmoose]

239.00 10/22/2019 O MEMORANDUM IN OPPOSITION TO MOTION

Deponent's Consolidated Memo. in Opp. to Plaintiff's Motion to Strike and to Compel (233 and 234)

So basically, anything that MT has to offer up in a truthful deposition will absolutely put her in legal jeopardy, since she knows what she knows because she engaged in the illegal financial activities along with FD. What a circuitous way of saying this!

 

[Jmoose]

BBM

I was surprised that EE arrived at work at some time like 9.30am (IIRC). Isn’t that late in the building trade? The AW alluded to him having been somewhere else beforehand. Now, with your suggestion that FD may have intended to take JF /body to Sturbridge but was delayed by his underestimation of bloodshed, I wonder whether FD told EE to get there late that day. Maybe to have a lie-in or go via a hardware store to pick up different door handles.

Not if he had to go and pick stuff up. When we were having extensive work done at our house for 3 months, people could have shown up at any time of the morning. We always expected people starting around 8am, but never knew when one of the guys would be here. Maybe EE stopped at a deli to get breakfast and coffee, and then something from the hardware store. Maybe FD told him not to hurry down there.

 

[Jmoose]

ITA about the Sturbridge property, etc.

FD didn't expect that his deed would take so long. If his plan went according to his timeline, he could have been out of JFD's by 8:30-8:45. It didn't work out that way.

He was left to improvise. EE wasn't going to the work site until 9:00-9:30 if it was a regular work day. (Leaving the Hartford area around 8:00...arriving around 9:00. I believe he said he arrived around 9:30.) I don't know which hardware he was working on, but if it was all interior, FD could have gambled and placed JD's body in the dumpster until later that night/early morning the next day.

I would really like to know about the neighbors behind the Sturbridge property. Did they have working security cameras? Did FD know their work schedules, etc. I remember seeing a dirt path or ditch on Google overheads during the construction. It was difficult to tell what it was exactly, but would love to know more about the long driveway and if it could be accessed easily without someone seeing it.

And, if EE was working in the kitchen area, FD could have driven up to the front of the Sturbridge property garage area and deposited something in the dumpster, perhaps without being seen.

Am also curious if there was any significance in FD inquiring which route EE took back to 4 JX. It seems that there was always a reason behind FD's questions, IMO.

I'm rather fascinated about the conversations about the EE's Tacoma car seats. If I were involved in those, I would have been running to LE QUICKLY. I don't quite understand EE's hesitation in contacting LE. Wonder if he has something in his past or his dealings with FD that made him concerned about involving himself with LE. NP hinted at this in his short mini-rant after AW2...."Lying Lover and Handyman with Something to Hide."

So much we don't know....thanks to all who keep thinking....it's so complex. Hope LE is way ahead of us in all the courts and motions!

Was it determined if EE is a native of the US, or is he a Polish immigrant? If he is here illegally, all I can say is that it isn’t only immigrants from Latin America who are reluctant to talk to the police, if they have no green card.

 

[Megnut]

Very interesting, the way details play out. The old law of unintended consequences... alongside the law of averages. Yes! The Tacome WOULD have been the vehicle of choice for the Albany trip, if EE hadn't come a 'callin'. I'd love to know whether EE was the morning of, that he arrived later in the morning. Maybe FD tried to make SURE of that. Set it up so EE would be off on a snipe hunt so FD could have the morning to himself at Sturbridge.

As others have suggested, could he have had a dumpster swapped out? Sent to a different landfill? Are there areas on the property to conceal a body, apart from the noses of cadaver dogs? Are there chemicals to confuse cadaver dogs? Cement? Old wells....

All criminals are ultimately stupid, because no one can think of EVERYTHING. I think if we map out what FD expected to happen vs what DID happen, the anomalies might be quite illuminating. Like taking the Raptor and phones to Albany.... idiot move. Clearly off script.

How ever it went down, I am convinced he intended to do it quickly and cleanly and in time to be back home, reunited with his phone, his absence noticed and recorded by no one. Solid fake alibi.

Jennifer is the tragic heroine here. She had to have fought back, hence the bloody scene. If so, she thwarted his "perfect" plan, of faking her disappearance. MOO

God bless the nanny and dear GF for knowing what to do. For knowing to whisk the children to safety.

 

[afitzy]

ITA about the Sturbridge property, etc.

FD didn't expect that his deed would take so long. If his plan went according to his timeline, he could have been out of JFD's by 8:30-8:45. It didn't work out that way.

He was left to improvise. EE wasn't going to the work site until 9:00-9:30 if it was a regular work day. (Leaving the Hartford area around 8:00...arriving around 9:00. I believe he said he arrived around 9:30.) I don't know which hardware he was working on, but if it was all interior, FD could have gambled and placed JD's body in the dumpster until later that night/early morning the next day.

I would really like to know about the neighbors behind the Sturbridge property. Did they have working security cameras? Did FD know their work schedules, etc. I remember seeing a dirt path or ditch on Google overheads during the construction. It was difficult to tell what it was exactly, but would love to know more about the long driveway and if it could be accessed easily without someone seeing it.

And, if EE was working in the kitchen area, FD could have driven up to the front of the Sturbridge property garage area and deposited something in the dumpster, perhaps without being seen.

Am also curious if there was any significance in FD inquiring which route EE took back to 4 JX. It seems that there was always a reason behind FD's questions, IMO.

I'm rather fascinated about the conversations about the EE's Tacoma car seats. If I were involved in those, I would have been running to LE QUICKLY. I don't quite understand EE's hesitation in contacting LE. Wonder if he has something in his past or his dealings with FD that made him concerned about involving himself with LE. NP hinted at this in his short mini-rant after AW2...."Lying Lover and Handyman with Something to Hide."

So much we don't know....thanks to all who keep thinking....it's so complex. Hope LE is way ahead of us in all the courts and motions!

On the issue of the 'Handyman with Something to Hide" question....

Look at the characters we have met in this case that are in any way connected to FD! We actually should invent some kind of 'shade index' for his entire crew in order to define just how shady they might be!

The building industry IMO is rife with game playing whether its for taxes or other scams etc. FD/FORE seemed to deal exclusively with subcontractors and who know what or if any games went on with the subcontractors used. We also don't know what games FD asked his subcontractors to do on his behalf either? It seems logical to think that FD worked VERY hard to extract the maximum profit he could from each house built and if he weren't doing the work himself (he owned no tools....) then who exactly would do what he needed done but his subs?

So, do I think that EE knows a lot about FORE and its business practices and in particular quite a bit about FD? Yes, absolutely I do. IMO doesn't value honesty and integrity so it seems a good bet to believe that he didn't want this in any of the subs working on the properties. EE also knew about FD infamous temper so he probably wasn't anxious to test FD patience on the issue of the car seats as well. My guess is that we will hear some amazing FD temper stories when/if EE ever hits the witness stand.

MOO

 

[Mimi in London]

Not if he had to go and pick stuff up. When we were having extensive work done at our house for 3 months, people could have shown up at any time of the morning. We always expected people starting around 8am, but never knew when one of the guys would be here. Maybe EE stopped at a deli to get breakfast and coffee, and then something from the hardware store. Maybe FD told him not to hurry down there.

My point exactly. It will be interesting to find out whether FD directed him to go somewhere en route.

 

[kimch33kim]

Was it determined if EE is a native of the US, or is he a Polish immigrant? If he is here illegally, all I can say is that it isn’t only immigrants from Latin America who are reluctant to talk to the police, if they have no green card.

They are 100% citizens. Immigrated here in 1996.

 

[BellaVita]

You’d have to wonder about the Waze gaffe too. That road that goes through Pound Ridge has a variety of spots to hide a body. I wonder if he didn’t take his phone when disposing of the body and took it to Hartford only to throw the authorities off the trail somewhat.

I think he put authorities right ON the trail. Yes, maybe he looked up trash collection schedule (if he did, he calculated incorrectly) but he had no way of knowing how fast LE would be able to track his movements. JD clothing, bloody mops and sponges, maybe more. It is quite possible he didn't have a phone when disposing of the body but to bring the phones to Hartford! OMG! First, he could have been stopped and searched. At 7:00 people were already looking for JD. There could have been an APB put out. If FD plan was to go to Hartford with crime scene items and purposely allow himself to be tracked there, there are no words! I am thinking there had to be a WT@#$% moment when FD realized a grave error had been made on his part. IMO.

 

[doyoulovemepfg]

I think he put authorities right ON the trail. Yes, maybe he looked up trash collection schedule (if he did, he calculated incorrectly) but he had no way of knowing how fast LE would be able to track his movements. JD clothing, bloody mops and sponges, maybe more. It is quite possible he didn't have a phone when disposing of the body but to bring the phones to Hartford! OMG! First, he could have been stopped and searched. At 7:00 people were already looking for JD. There could have been an APB put out. If FD plan was to go to Hartford with crime scene items and purposely allow himself to be tracked there, there are no words! I am thinking there had to be a WT@#$% moment when FD realized a grave error had been made on his part. IMO.

I wonder if he initially wanted to pull a Peter Chadwick and blame the whole thing on EE before he screwed up and got caught.

 

[dkryder]

The information leading to Albany was found by forensic examination of the phones. Other posters have pointed out in the past that pings are from the phone company and something different. I just did a brief look. Pings relate to cell tower signals and I don't believe would indicate every stop a phone made. Just when a signal is pinged wherever the phone happened to be. The 30 stops came from looking at video, IMO.

I don't think there was any relay style passing off to an accomplice. I mean, FD is stupid, but that's crazy. Lots better ways to get things done. Even though it IS FD. IMO.

ETA: FD was caught on video putting bags in dumpsters. Why wouldn't he be relaying everything? I think CCTV would have caught a relay already. Of course, it may not all be public but I'm missing something in this theory.

people that have not deactivated google trip tracking will have a real pretty map of everywhere they have been going back fairly long time. it's kinda spooky really. i found out about it years ago when i got an email from google saying i could review my monthly travel [or something like that] . up to that point i was completely unaware that google knew exactly where i was all the time. i wonder if FD knew to deactivate that feature.

 

[enelram]

My point exactly. It will be interesting to find out whether FD directed him to go somewhere en route.

Wouldn't be unusual for an hourly paid worker
to not get to job site until later if he had a ways
to travel to get to job site. So if he left home/Farmington at 8am, wouldn't get to NC til 9-9:30. But not all GC's pay this way and some won't cover travel time.

 

[enelram]

On the issue of the 'Handyman with Something to Hide" question....

Look at the characters we have met in this case that are in any way connected to FD! We actually should invent some kind of 'shade index' for his entire crew in order to define just how shady they might be!

The building industry IMO is rife with game playing whether its for taxes or other scams etc. FD/FORE seemed to deal exclusively with subcontractors and who know what or if any games went on with the subcontractors used. We also don't know what games FD asked his subcontractors to do on his behalf either? It seems logical to think that FD worked VERY hard to extract the maximum profit he could from each house built and if he weren't doing the work himself (he owned no tools....) then who exactly would do what he needed done but his subs?

So, do I think that EE knows a lot about FORE and its business practices and in particular quite a bit about FD? Yes, absolutely I do. IMO doesn't value honesty and integrity so it seems a good bet to believe that he didn't want this in any of the subs working on the properties. EE also knew about FD infamous temper so he probably wasn't anxious to test FD patience on the issue of the car seats as well. My guess is that we will hear some amazing FD temper stories when/if EE ever hits the witness stand.

MOO

You bring up some excellent points. About his
subs- IME contractors like FD push around their subs and bully them daily almost. The only kinds of subs who can work for guys like
this are desparate for work. Like really, really
need the money and for whatever reason maybe have a past history that makes it hard
to get hired or stay hired. So someone who is
hard up for work might stick w/ FD if they're
desparate and FD knows it. Symbiotic.

 

[BellaVita]

BBM

I was surprised that EE arrived at work at some time like 9.30am (IIRC). Isn’t that late in the building trade? The AW alluded to him having been somewhere else beforehand. Now, with your suggestion that FD may have intended to take JF /body to Sturbridge but was delayed by his underestimation of bloodshed, I wonder whether FD told EE to get there late that day. Maybe to have a lie-in or go via a hardware store to pick up different door handles.

My take, based on nothing: It is 1.5 hr from hometown of EE to Sturbridge. That is a very long commute and my guess is the commute was factored into the length of the work day. Perhaps also why EE used FD/FORE vehicles as well...to cut down the mileage on his own truck. Very risky to go to Sturbridge. I would be shocked if he did that. Also, there is no mention in the AW of the Suburban leaving 69 WL more than once. Some lawyer types have weighed in and to leave that info out would most likely make AW invalid due to leaving out material info. The AW2 states it is believed the Suburban was carrying the body of Jennifer. Given the parameters of a valid warrant, I believe the Suburban left WL one time only. Whatever FD intentions may have been, ie delayed due to extra bloodshed, I think the only other option is the terrain behind the house. Since the satellite pics had no distance calculation, I don't know if that is feasible. I do wonder how thoroughly that area has been checked and if FD could have gotten her back there in time to include lousy cleanup and then to drive to WP. Was FD capable physically of getting a body into the woods and possibly into the river? All MOO and ideas only!!!

 

[Southernsnooper]

Yes, sadly its all about the $$$$$, all the time.

FD sees retirement as spent counting the $$$$ and wearing Gucci fur lined slippers or flip flops!

My hope is that Atty Colangelo makes sure this FD vision/delusion never occurs and that FD gets the orange jump suit with the no lace sneakers!

MOO

Yes!!!!

Just think of all of the differential equations he can solve in his cell during a life sentence!!!

moo

 

[Southernsnooper]

Yes, I've been referring back to AW1 more as the details there on a number of points are clearer IMO.

Too funny as I ended up printing it the other day as I needed to refer to it so often!

moo