Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #30

[Alathea]

RSBM: Thank you for the article. I've seen some other marketing by FORE. It's clunky, IMO. Maybe the 1.5M is the addition done for GF on the Pound Ridge home. As for why didn't the business take off?
1. I looked at Farmington/Avon properties a few weeks ago. There are much nicer homes available that cost much less. IMO. Way overpriced for that area.
2. Pretty sure FORE was just FD personal pyramid type scheme. Funneling money to himself for the day of the inevitable divorce to come. IMO.

Pretty sure neither FD nor MT were really into working much.

Both of them knew how to put on a show of having a business, but neither one apparently made any money - at least, not with the businesses they claimed to have.

 

[Tink56]

My take, based on nothing: It is 1.5 hr from hometown of EE to Sturbridge. That is a very long commute and my guess is the commute was factored into the length of the work day. Perhaps also why EE used FD/FORE vehicles as well...to cut down the mileage on his own truck. Very risky to go to Sturbridge. I would be shocked if he did that. Also, there is no mention in the AW of the Suburban leaving 69 WL more than once. Some lawyer types have weighed in and to leave that info out would most likely make AW invalid due to leaving out material info. The AW2 states it is believed the Suburban was carrying the body of Jennifer. Given the parameters of a valid warrant, I believe the Suburban left WL one time only. Whatever FD intentions may have been, ie delayed due to extra bloodshed, I think the only other option is the terrain behind the house. Since the satellite pics had no distance calculation, I don't know if that is feasible. I do wonder how thoroughly that area has been checked and if FD could have gotten her back there in time to include lousy cleanup and then to drive to WP. Was FD capable physically of getting a body into the woods and possibly into the river? All MOO and ideas only!!!

Just saw this recently on a newscast...A man throwing a woman's body (which is in a suitcase) into a dumpster in Colorado. It doesn't look easy...not impossible.

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[BellaVita]

Just saw this recently on a newscast...A man throwing a woman's body (which is in a suitcase) into a dumpster in Colorado. It doesn't look easy...not impossible.

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Thanks for video. What I was really wondering in my post is whether FD had strength and stamina to get her some distance into the woods behind WL or even to the river. And get back in time to leave at 10:25. Due to AW details, I believe that is the only option besides JD WAS in the Suburban on the way to WP.

NOW, AW2 says JD cell gives 10:25 timeline for leaving WL but DOESN'T say what time it arrived at WP. Nor, the route that was driven. The info is characterized as cellular data, pretty vague as to whether the actual phone was found. Mmmm. Maybe the missing 20-25 minutes happened here, not after leaving WP on the way back to Farmington. Also, like the video you provided, so much more efficient with a suitcase than rolled up in carpet. Much easier transfer to truck, if indeed, JD was still with the Suburban when it got to WP. Or transfer to another person.

Two lawyer comments from much earlier:
1. NP said LE was looking for an accomplice. I mean, who believes anything he says, but it almost sounded like he was saying that if LE couldn't find the accomplice, then they couldn't prove anything. Almost admitting FD is guilty but LE can't prove it.
2. EE lawyer said the the answers are in New Canaan. That's all he really said.
Sorry, can't find cites but I remember responding to these remarks.

Does anyone remember where and whether LE searched in New Canaan much except for WP?

All MOO.

 

[Megnut]

I'm stuck on this: how do men get women to clean up after them? Patrick Frazee. How, as a woman, do you show up for a man, any man, to clean up the bloody mess he made, with a baseball bat? What is that? Fear, delusion, I just don't get it.

MT HAS to know that this isn't going to end well. For her. For FT. For her and MT. His shiny money was a house of cards. And none of it was ever his. But this must be the pact they made: tell no one, say nothing, ride it out.

Sadly it's working to a degree.

Well, they're not in jail. Yet.

Justice can't come soon enough.

MOO

 

[Southernsnooper]

I'm stuck on this: how do men get women to clean up after them? Patrick Frazee. How, as a woman, do you show up for a man, any man, to clean up the bloody mess he made, with a baseball bat? What is that? Fear, delusion, I just don't get it.

MT HAS to know that this isn't going to end well. For her. For FT. For her and MT. His shiny money was a house of cards. And none of it was ever his. But this must be the pact they made: tell no one, say nothing, ride it out.

Sadly it's working to a degree.

Well, they're not in jail. Yet.

Justice can't come soon enough.

MOO

I honestly think it will. A matter of time. I’m thinking this one will be worth the wait.

Those two better be preparing themselves for the shock of cold-hard facts that leave no room for doubt.

Moo

 

[Alathea]

Regarding the idea that he may have disposed of her body before leaving her garage:

AW2 states:
"Dulos is believed to be operating the victim's vehicle which is carrying the body of Jennifer Dulos and a number of other items associated with the clean-up which occurred in the garage of the residence."

There was blood inside her vehicle and in EE's truck, as well as the potential piece of auto carpeting (that wasn't mentioned by LE, I don't think). But as others have said way back, that blood (in EE's truck) could have been transferred by him/his clothing.

He knew he had to get rid of all the bloody cleanup items anyway - he was back at his property for a while, and when EE showed up said they were "cleaning" - almost suggesting they were doing cleaning INSIDE the house.

My mind keeps going back to the banging noise of the dumpster, too - the following AM, I believe. Maybe he tossed a weapon in there, and later retrieved it.

 

[Jmoose]

Just saw this recently on a newscast...A man throwing a woman's body (which is in a suitcase) into a dumpster in Colorado. It doesn't look easy...not impossible.

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The dumpsters that I am familiar with, the ones they leave at your house (not the ones at commercial establishments) all have a door, or gate, so you can walk right into them. It wouldn’t be difficult to put a body in one, although you’d want to make sure nobody found it.

 

[BellaVita]

Regarding the idea that he may have disposed of her body before leaving her garage:

AW2 states:
"Dulos is believed to be operating the victim's vehicle which is carrying the body of Jennifer Dulos and a number of other items associated with the clean-up which occurred in the garage of the residence."

My mind keeps going back to the banging noise of the dumpster, too - the following AM, I believe. Maybe he tossed a weapon in there, and later retrieved it.

RSBM:
Good catch here: Dulos is believed to be operating the victim's vehicle which is carrying the body of Jennifer Dulos: but I wonder if LE KNOWS or if any other possibility was considered. Maybe something WAS found at MIRA and that's why LE "knows"

As for second point, if FD left 4JC after the Hartford run, LE would know about it even though we don't. I don't believe FD was ever at Sturbridge that day. He didn't want to be seen in that area. AT ALL. So I don't think there was a weapon or anything there. IMO.

 

[Southernsnooper]

To your point, on Sunday a hunter in Florida stumbled upon human remains when he happened upon a suspicious area that smelled like death. Although it was in Florida, I imagine it will be even easier in CT with hunters galore.

Moo

 

[afitzy]

I wonder if he initially wanted to pull a Peter Chadwick and blame the whole thing on EE before he screwed up and got caught.

I do think this was a real possibility even though others here disagree. What puzzles me though that if FD wanted to set up EE why not just swap out the seats himself or ditch the truck or set it on fire someplace and give EE a new truck? FD seemed not only stupid but cheap IMO in terms of the way he dealt with EE and on so many levels the entire exchange noted in AW2 made zero sense from the standpoint of someone that used someone else vehicle without their permission and PS used the vehicle as part of an abduction/murder plot. Entire situation was nuts IMO and so absolutely NOT SMART of FD IMO. MOO

 

[afitzy]

Thanks for video. What I was really wondering in my post is whether FD had strength and stamina to get her some distance into the woods behind WL or even to the river. And get back in time to leave at 10:25. Due to AW details, I believe that is the only option besides JD WAS in the Suburban on the way to WP.

NOW, AW2 says JD cell gives 10:25 timeline for leaving WL but DOESN'T say what time it arrived at WP. Nor, the route that was driven. The info is characterized as cellular data, pretty vague as to whether the actual phone was found. Mmmm. Maybe the missing 20-25 minutes happened here, not after leaving WP on the way back to Farmington. Also, like the video you provided, so much more efficient with a suitcase than rolled up in carpet. Much easier transfer to truck, if indeed, JD was still with the Suburban when it got to WP. Or transfer to another person.

Two lawyer comments from much earlier:
1. NP said LE was looking for an accomplice. I mean, who believes anything he says, but it almost sounded like he was saying that if LE couldn't find the accomplice, then they couldn't prove anything. Almost admitting FD is guilty but LE can't prove it.
2. EE lawyer said the the answers are in New Canaan. That's all he really said.
Sorry, can't find cites but I remember responding to these remarks.

Does anyone remember where and whether LE searched in New Canaan much except for WP?

All MOO.

Yes, LE searched Irwin Park, the route along Welles to Irwin via Frogtown Road, and Sturbridge that we are aware of and in addition drained the small pond at Waveny Park and searched along Lapham Rd.

 

[afitzy]

The dumpsters that I am familiar with, the ones they leave at your house (not the ones at commercial establishments) all have a door, or gate, so you can walk right into them. It wouldn’t be difficult to put a body in one, although you’d want to make sure nobody found it.

Its hard to see from this picture taken at Sturbridge when the State Police were there, but off to the left of the picture is the tip of the large red dumpster present on the property. I don't believe it had the side door or hatch that you refer to but really was just a large tub.

 

[CTGrammy]

I posted on Thread #21, that If EE was even first or second generation immigrant from a Communist country, that he would indeed have some misgivings in getting involved. I have posted part of that below, in the first set of italics.

However, AW#2 also showed us that EE was More than instrumental in providing LE with information and most importantly, the Old Seats removed from his own Red Toyota Truck that FD insisted that he remove and discard, that subsequently tested positive for JF's Blood. EE Offered the removed seats to LE, even though they were not specifically included in the Warrant to seize EE's Red Toyota Truck.

I have included a Timeline for EE.

Set One -- From Thread #21
I was raised by my loving stepfather from Eastern Europe. He was born in 1923 and lived through WWII and the Communist Occupation. He and a brother with his family were able to eventually escape, but their sister and her family did not make it. A few years back, we learned that their sister and her family were accused of aiding and abetting the family's escape and they were never seen again. I am fortunate that my stepfather and his brother died before knowing that information.

Every Single Person in those countries Knew to NEVER Trust the Authorities. EVER.

Every Single Person in those countries Knew to NEVER Trust their neighbors or even members of their own family. EVER.

Every Single Person in those countries Knew to NEVER go to the Authorities about anyone or anything. EVER.

No matter how small the information was, Anyone reporting to the Authorities in these Eastern European Countries, would be dead within hours by either the person they reported on or by the Authorities.


Set Two -- From Thread #21
However, in Point 13 of the Arrest Warrant attached below, it states that EE told LE on May 31 when he drove up to 4JC, that the Porsche seats currently loaded in FO's Jeep Cherokee that EE was driving at the time, were to be put into his own Red Toyota Truck.

According to the FO/MT 2nd Arrest Warrant, we now have a Timeline for EE in regards to this case.

Information below is obtained from the FO/MT Arrest Warrants, unless noted as 'In My Educated Experience/Opinion' or as noted as MSM Reports.

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.tow...-11e9-991d-536198256533/5d704b7b09ca8.pdf.pdf

Week of May 20-24, 2019
EE drives FO's Ford Raptor to Sturbridge in NC each day from Farmington and is captured on CCTV driving said vehicle in NC on Friday, May 24.

Friday, May 24 - Jennifer's Serious Physical Assault
Late afternoon, EE retrieves his Red Toyota Truck from FO after some shenanigans by MT in Farmington, CT.

Saturday-Monday, May 25-27 - MSM Reports
Silver Alert and the Story hits the news about Missing Mom in CT, Jennifer Farber Dulos.

We do not know whether or not, EE had 'Notifications' activated on his cell phone.

Unless they were activated or EE watched/read the News, EE may not have known that Jennifer was missing until he returned to work on Tuesday, May 28.

Tuesday, May 28
EE returns to work for FO in NC and again drives a vehicle belonging to FO.

FO and MT have a 'Getting our False Alibi Together Meeting' and asks EE if he remembers Seeing anything in NC on Friday, May 24. FO also asked EE what routes EE took to and from NC that Friday.

EE tells FO/MT that he did not see anything.

In My Educated Experience/Opinion, EE thought FO was asking as if FO was trying to help LE find Jennifer.

In My Educated Experience/Opinion, FO was actually asking to make sure that EE did not see FO or EE's own Red Toyota Truck in NC that Friday, May 24.

In My Educated Experience/Opinion, IF EE was 'Part of the Plan to Mislead LE', then Why would FO Ask EE if he saw anything that Friday, May 24? FO would not need to Ask EE. FO just would have told EE to mislead LE.

In My Educated Experience/Opinion, IF FO had told EE to mislead LE, then EE would have reported that to LE.

Tuesday, May 28 or Wednesday, May 29
EE learns that FO had EE's Red Toyota Truck washed and detailed and EE confronts FO with no resolution as to Why.

Wednesday -- Friday, May 29 -- May 31
FO Badgers EE to Replace the Ford seats in EE's Red Toyota Truck with seats provided by FO from a Porsche and instructs EE to Immediately Dispose of the old Ford seats taken out of EE's Red Toyota Truck.

Friday, May 31
EE drives up to 4JC in the Jeep Cherokee owned by FO, with the Porsche seats in the rear cargo area of FO's Jeep Cherokee.

LE happens to be at 4JC at this time on this Friday and EE informally tells LE that the Porsche seats will replace the Ford seats currently in his own Red Toyota Truck.

EE did in fact, replace the seats in his own Red Toyota Truck with the Porsche seats provided by FO.

FO demands that EE reference the seats as 'Equipment'.

EE Disobeys/Defies FO and Keeps the old Ford seats that he took out of his Red Toyota Truck

In My Educated Experience/Opinion, IF EE had any clue that his own Red Toyota Truck and/or FO was involved in the commission of a crime and was indeed helping to protect FO by misleading LE, Why would EE willingly and openly tell LE in an informal conversation on this day, that he was exchanging the seats in his own Red Toyota Truck?

Saturday, June 1
FO and MT are Arrested in connection with the Disappearance of JF.

Arrest Warrant for FO/MT is released to MSM as to the evidence showing FO/MT on their 'Trash Bin Odyssey of Stupidity Date Night' on a more than 4 mile stretch of Albany Avenue in the Hartford Area.

EE Immediately tenders his Resignation from FO/FORE.

Sunday, June 2
In an LE interview, EE tells LE that FO had access to his Red Toyota Truck the entire day of Friday, May 24, because EE always leaves the Keys with his Red Toyota Truck at 4JC when EE picks up a FO vehicle for work related activities. As shown in Point 14 of the Arrest Warrant in the attached document below.

This leads LE to Look for Evidence that EE's Red Truck may have been used on Friday, May 24 in connection to the disappearance of JF.

LE did in fact find evidence that this was the case as shown in Point 15 of the Arrest Warrant found in the attached document below.

Thursday, June 6
LE arrives to EE's Simsbury residence with a search warrant for EE's Red Toyota Truck after they found evidence that this truck was driven to/from and parked in NC on Friday, May 24.

EE immediately Reminds LE that the current seats in EE's Red Toyota Truck are not the same that were in the truck on May 24, and he immediately provides the previous seats to LE and signs documents allowing LE to take and inspect those seats for possible evidence.

Conclusion

On May 31, EE informally told LE that he was replacing the seats in his Red Toyota Truck.

On June 2, the day after EE has put 2 and 2 together, EE tells LE that FO had access to EE's Red Toyota Truck on Friday, May 24.

This information then leads to the Awesome Arrest Warrant #2.

IMO.

 

[afitzy]

people that have not deactivated google trip tracking will have a real pretty map of everywhere they have been going back fairly long time. it's kinda spooky really. i found out about it years ago when i got an email from google saying i could review my monthly travel [or something like that] . up to that point i was completely unaware that google knew exactly where i was all the time. i wonder if FD knew to deactivate that feature.

Brilliant question! FD doesn't seem like the most tech advanced perp we have seen here on WS! I do hope LE has checked this google function as I agree with you that the perfect word to describe it is 'spooky'.

I do keep wondering if a burner phone or some phone that we and LE aren't aware of was used by MT and FD on the 24th am? It would be incredible if the google app or even Waze were fully operational for full viewing in court. I do hope LE accessed FD Waze account as after his 'detour' into NY it seems he is a fan of the service. I don't know about the data retention policies of Waze and Google as it relates to tracking but its worth investigating I think. I also wonder if in the days leading up the 24th whether a 'trial run' was undertaken by FT and MT?

MOO

 

[Megnut]

That was a beautiful synthesis, @CTGrammy.

I think it shows also how little FD thinks of anyone who's not him. He OWNED his employee. There for his bidding. He doesn't even seem to calculate differentially that his employee might be able to make calculations of his own. Like with Jennifer, he seems to believe people are not human beings, capable of thought, action, opposition. FD banks on people doing as FD says they should do.

I wonder, as it all played out, and largely mostly outside EE's knowledge of the larger events, if he ever felt like he could countermand FD on any level or order. Truth, he may have kept the Tacoma seats to recycle, into a different vehicle someday. Whether he believed at the time that they'd hold key DNA evidence or not, it is a LE windfall that he didn't listen to FD, did not dispose of them.

FD seems to be losing his velvet-jacket way of controlling people.

I'm waiting on the day when the CT court brings the law down hard.

It's time.

MOO

 

[kimch33kim]

Its hard to see from this picture taken at Sturbridge when the State Police were there, but off to the left of the picture is the tip of the large red dumpster present on the property. I don't believe it had the side door or hatch that you refer to but really was just a large tub.


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heres a better pic of it for those who want to see

 

[Jmoose]

To your point, on Sunday a hunter in Florida stumbled upon human remains when he happened upon a suspicious area that smelled like death. Although it was in Florida, I imagine it will be even easier in CT with hunters galore.

Moo

Depends on where he left her-and if hunting is allowed there. I kept thinking that might be how she’s found, until I thought about where a hunter can hunt. Are there any places in CT (or NY, maybe) where hunting isn’t allowed? In Westchester County NY, which is the only likely place in NY where he could have taken her, only bow hunting is allowed, which makes for a much smaller population of hunters. I am not familiar with CT’s hunting laws, so no help there. Somehow, though, I don’t feel that she is someplace where somebody can trip over her in the woods. He had, I think, a lot of time to plan where to put her. The only thing that could have gotten in the way of that is something that severely trips up his time schedule. Maybe the unexpected blood could have done that, or maybe the unexpected desire of EE to take his own truck home for the weekend. I think EE has told the police a few interesting things, but nothing which has uncovered where Jennifer might be. Who else knows? MT does-MOO

 

[ajksmom]

heres a better pic of it for those who want to see

That’s a roll-off dumpster. The opposite narrow end can have double swinging doors that allow access to literally walk into it.

 

[Tink56]

Thanks for video. What I was really wondering in my post is whether FD had strength and stamina to get her some distance into the woods behind WL or even to the river. And get back in time to leave at 10:25. Due to AW details, I believe that is the only option besides JD WAS in the Suburban on the way to WP.

NOW, AW2 says JD cell gives 10:25 timeline for leaving WL but DOESN'T say what time it arrived at WP. Nor, the route that was driven. The info is characterized as cellular data, pretty vague as to whether the actual phone was found. Mmmm. Maybe the missing 20-25 minutes happened here, not after leaving WP on the way back to Farmington. Also, like the video you provided, so much more efficient with a suitcase than rolled up in carpet. Much easier transfer to truck, if indeed, JD was still with the Suburban when it got to WP. Or transfer to another person.

Two lawyer comments from much earlier:
1. NP said LE was looking for an accomplice. I mean, who believes anything he says, but it almost sounded like he was saying that if LE couldn't find the accomplice, then they couldn't prove anything. Almost admitting FD is guilty but LE can't prove it.
2. EE lawyer said the the answers are in New Canaan. That's all he really said.
Sorry, can't find cites but I remember responding to these remarks.

Does anyone remember where and whether LE searched in New Canaan much except for WP?

All MOO.

Just to clarify, I posted the video of the man throwing the suitcase into the dumpster primarily to show what strength and stamina might be necessary to carry a body out of the garage into the surrounding woods. I have no idea how far FD would need to carry a body to be screened by the habitat, and we know JFD was probably weighing less than the 120 pounds listed in the missing information.

EE is not a suspect in my mind either. What I do think is noteworthy are the questions FD asked him. Don't know exactly what they mean, but it didn't appear that the guys spent a lot of time just chatting about other things. Being a bit suspicious, my radar would have been concerned about the seats and the truck detailing. Again, however, my income was not dependent on FD or his crazy schemes.

After finally coming to grips with the pre-planning involved in JFD's disappearance and probable death, I think FD had a disposal site planned. Certainly that may be part of the reason that LE included dates prior to May 24th in their requests for video/security footage. However, the extra time it appears that the attack and clean up took could have forced those plans to shift.

Many have expressed plausible alternatives. I'm continuing to read and ponder. And, I haven't lived in CT for 30 years, so my ability to visualize distances, etc. is limited. So thanks especially for all the locals who have a much better idea of what is probable than I do. MOO...

 

[NWLady]

I do think this was a real possibility even though others here disagree. What puzzles me though that if FD wanted to set up EE why not just swap out the seats himself or ditch the truck or set it on fire someplace and give EE a new truck? FD seemed not only stupid but cheap IMO in terms of the way he dealt with EE and on so many levels the entire exchange noted in AW2 made zero sense from the standpoint of someone that used someone else vehicle without their permission and PS used the vehicle as part of an abduction/murder plot. Entire situation was nuts IMO and so absolutely NOT SMART of FD IMO. MOO

If someone TOLD me to change the seats in my vehicle - boss or no boss and regardless how bad I needed the job - I'm afraid that my boss would've heard some choice words from my mouth. And the next thought I had would've been along the line of WHY is he asking me to do this, and then I would've asked him WHY he WAS asking me to do this.

JMO