Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #32

[CTGrammy]

Wasn’t KD bleeding internally from a broken arm?

She also suffered a 12 Staple head injury during the fall down the stairs 'accident'.

 

[sds71]

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[CTGrammy]

She sustained a broken arm but also serious head injuries, which required a lot of stitches, from the same fall. When FD said she was bleeding internally he didn't say from where (or, how he knew if it were true, since she apparently went to a walk-in sort of emergency place). If it were true, why would a hospital let her out?

The pain meds she was supposedly still taking 2 months later were for the arm, he claimed, though. IIRC.

UConn Health is a Full Hospital and Full Emergency Department and is only a 7 minute drive from 585DC. I doubt they would have driven past the hospital to get to an urgent care (walk-in) center.

What may be confusing, is that KD was taken to St. Francis Hospital in Hartford for the Vehicle 'accident' and St. Francis also has an Urgent Care center in Farmington.

Early July 2010 - Falls down stairs - UConn Hospital - Farmington
Broken Arm and Head Injury requiring 12 Staples and some Internal Bleeding.

Sept. 6, 2010 - Ran over by nanny - St. Francis Hospital - Hartford
Died Sept. 7 with Internal Bleeding according to the nanny.

Edited to Add:
It is also the nanny who says the hospital told her that KD was going to be okay. However, this is FD translating for the nanny.

We know that LE spoke with St. Francis Hospital personnel and learned that KD's clothing was disposed of, during her assessment and subsequent treatment.

However, What did St. Francis Hospital have to say about the actual injuries and the underlying cause of death? Yes, she was ran over, but what damage did the vehicle do, that caused her death?

IMO.

 

[sds71]

Jennifer Dulos home listed for sale in New Canaan

NEW CANAAN — Jennifer Dulos was last seen six months ago returning to her home — which is now on the market — although the owner says he doesn’t believe she died there.

The 9,800-square-foot house situated on a quiet cul-de-sac on Welles Lane has been listed with Douglas Elliman Real Estate for $2,995,000. The six-bedroom, nine-bath home is available for purchase or rent.

“It is time to put it on the market and sell it,” said Arnold Karp, the builder and owner of the house. “Nobody is currently living there. It has all been cleared and ready for the next homeowner.”

 

[sds71]

Jennifer Dulos disappearance: Judge orders Troconis to answer some questions

A judge has ordered Michelle Troconis to answer a limited number of questions during a deposition in the $2.5 million lawsuits filed against Fotis Dulos by the family of his missing estranged wife.

Hartford Superior Court Judge Cesar Noble is requiring Troconis to provide information on her background, including where she was born and whether she has an Argentinian passport, and whether she saw her former boyfriend conducting business transactions in Florida and Colorado, according to an order issued Friday.

But she will not be required to answer much else that would shed light on her relationship with Fotis Dulos or his finances as the lawsuits filed by Gloria Farber and the estate of her late husband Hilliard go to trial Dec. 3.

 

[CTGrammy]

Jennifer Dulos home listed for sale in New Canaan

NEW CANAAN — Jennifer Dulos was last seen six months ago returning to her home — which is now on the market — although the owner says he doesn’t believe she died there.

The 9,800-square-foot house situated on a quiet cul-de-sac on Welles Lane has been listed with Douglas Elliman Real Estate for $2,995,000. The six-bedroom, nine-bath home is available for purchase or rent.

“It is time to put it on the market and sell it,” said Arnold Karp, the builder and owner of the house. “Nobody is currently living there. It has all been cleared and ready for the next homeowner.”

It is to the owner's advantage to say that he does not think JF died in the home. It is already difficult to rent/sell a house that was at the epicenter of this case, and he speaks with the press?

NP is going to jump all over this statement from the owner. Is this the First witness for the defense? You know, because he does not 'think' that JF died in the home?

IMO.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Yes, FD still has sister in Greece (Rena who has worked for FORE/FD since 2004) and is believed to have other family and friends in Greece.

FD sister identified herself to the US Press as "Rena Dulos". Hartford Courant did the original 'interview' with "Rena Dulos" and rest of US Media 'reposted' name "Rena Dulos". Did Dave Altimari at the HC do any verification as to what the actual legal name of the individual he did his 'exclusive interview' with for the article?

A few things are confusing about all this as FD sister LinkedIn profile is in the name of Rena Kyrimi and there is also a reference online to Rena Siderakis. One of her daughters states that her mother is "Eirini Sideraki/s" which leads me to believe that FD Mother might have been married twice but IDK. There is no reference to Rena Dulos that I can find except in the US Press, which leads me to believe this might not have been checked out by the Hartford Courant fully as my speculation is that this was another 'story referral' from Atty. P.

The only reference to Rena Dulos is in the US Press when this individual wrote a letter in defense of 'her brother'. Further confusion is to the name change from "Duolos" to "Dulos" - we had the whole 'slave' reference discussion many threads ago as the explanation of why FD changed the spelling of his name but did he also have the name of his mother changed from Duolos to Dulos? But why would FD sister refer to herself as "Rena Dulos" if this isn't really her name?

A few questions:

• Do FD and his sister (I have no idea what her real name might be as I have now seen 3 different names) share a mother but not a father?
• Was FD sister adopted by FD father so that Rena does have a claim to use the 'Duolos/Dulos' name?
• Does anyone understand Greek naming conventions?
• Could Eirini Siderakis be 'maiden name' of Rena?
• Why would FD sister refer to herself as Rena Dulos if this isn't her name?

Very confusing.

MOO

Greek name could be Irene. Rena from Irena. Renie. Eirini.
As to the last names, I have no idea. But I bet all first names are just derivatives. Like Katherine. Catherine. Cathy. Kathy. Katie. Kate.

 

[kimch33kim]

It is to the owner's advantage to say that he does not think JF died in the home. It is already difficult to rent/sell a house that was at the epicenter of this case, and he speaks with the press?

NP is going to jump all over this statement from the owner. Is this the First witness for the defense? You know, because he does not 'think' that JF died in the home?

IMO.

Karp has spoken favorably in jd's side many times before so maybe this is due to reporter friends of NP. Notice how NP has a statement in there too which is weird.

 

[CTGrammy]

Karp has spoken favorably in jd's side many times before so maybe this is due to reporter friends of NP. Notice how NP has a statement in there too which is weird.

I was speaking to the fact that NP is going to Use the owner's statement as part of FD's defense, regardless of Karp's favorable attitude toward JF.

IMO.

 

[sds71]

Off /on to pick
ACLU of Connecticut
@acluct
Hardy’s lack of action is inexcusable.
* Kane’s failure to hold her accountable for her inaction has been completely irresponsible.
*Both show that CT needs a new Chief State’s Attorney who will vocally, actively pursue policies, procedures, and laws to hold police accountable.


I wonder how closely Chief Attorney Kevin Kane followed the Dulos case

 

[kimch33kim]

I was speaking to the fact that NP is going to Use the owner's statement as part of FD's defense, regardless of Karp's favorable attitude toward JF.

IMO.

Oh yes I agree with you. Sorry if I was confusing. I was commenting on the article title which now has changed. It was "owner does not believe 51 year old mother died in the house". amazing how quickly they changed it. They also edited the number changing from saying the realtor listed the wrong house number now to they changed the house number.

 

[afitzy]

Jennifer Dulos home listed for sale in New Canaan

NEW CANAAN — Jennifer Dulos was last seen six months ago returning to her home — which is now on the market — although the owner says he doesn’t believe she died there.

The 9,800-square-foot house situated on a quiet cul-de-sac on Welles Lane has been listed with Douglas Elliman Real Estate for $2,995,000. The six-bedroom, nine-bath home is available for purchase or rent.

“It is time to put it on the market and sell it,” said Arnold Karp, the builder and owner of the house. “Nobody is currently living there. It has all been cleared and ready for the next homeowner.”

Simply NO WORDS for Mr. Karp, who is an active local developer who IMO should know better than to make such statements publicly about what he believes happened to JF. None.

Did Mr. Karp NOT read AW2 which specifically states that the "Body" of JF left 69 Welles/71 Welles in her Suburban which was driven per AW2 by FD. AW2 didn't say that JF left sitting in the passenger seat of her Suburban while chatting about what a beautiful day it was with the driver, FD. Nope. JF IMO based on what AW2 stated did not leave 69 Welles/71 Welles alive and she was allegedly killed at the house. AW2 was absolutely unambiguous about the status of JF leaving Welles so I'm not sure what Mr. Karp is basing his statement that, "...he doesn't believe she died there".

I feel for Mr. Karp as the owner of a property where someone was allegedly murdered, but I believe for him to make assumptions about what happened to JF that are absolutely CONTRARY to those made by LE in the AW2 is simply wrong, premature and IMO irresponsible at this time. Further, to make such statements to the Press about the property and what happened to JF IMO simply defies logic for the exact same reasons.

Selling a haunted or otherwise notorious house

Quotes from Article:

Homes with this unusual problem are known as "stigmatized properties." Marc Ben-Ezra and Asher Perlin, writing for the American Bar Association, say these properties are considered to have emotional or psychological defects rather than physical ones. In other words, the home itself is in good shape but a buyer might not be comfortable purchasing it due to its reputation.

Several states have adopted laws about stigmatized properties, though there are several different definitions for this designation.

Disclosures

Stigmatized properties are not limited to homes where the doors shut themselves and ghosts are glimpsed at the end of hallways. It is much more likely that a buyer will be uncomfortable to learn that someone has been murdered, committed suicide, or died in an accident at the home. Buyers may also be deterred by properties where serious crimes took place or where the previous occupant had an infectious disease.

Buyers are more likely to be concerned with these issues when they are fresh in memory, but some reputations can be especially persistent. For example, the homes featured in "The Amityville Horror" and "In Cold Blood" are still known as the scenes of notorious multiple murders.

In Connecticut, the issues that stigmatize a property are defined as nonmaterial. As such, a seller or their agent does not have to disclose them when putting a property on the market. These parties are also protected from any action a buyer might pursue against them for not disclosing an issue related to the home's past or supposedly haunted nature.

However, the law also recognizes that such issues may be important to the buyer. It provides that the buyer can make a written request that the seller disclose any information about whether the home was the site of a murder, suicide, or felony. The seller can refuse to provide this information, but must inform the buyer in writing.

2011 Connecticut Code
Title 20 Professional and Occupational Licensing, Certification, Title Protection and Registration. Examining Boards
Chapter 392 Real Estate Brokers and Salespersons
Sec. 20-329ee. Purchaser or lessee may request written disclosure of property's status re homicide, other felony or suicide.
Sec. 20-329ee. Purchaser or lessee may request written disclosure of property's status re homicide, other felony or suicide. Notwithstanding sections 20-329cc and 20-329dd, if a purchaser or lessee of real estate, who was in the process of making a bona fide offer, advises an owner of real estate or his or her agent, in writing, that knowledge that the property was at any time suspected to have been the site of a homicide, other felony or a suicide is important to the purchaser's decision to purchase or lease the property, the owner through his or her agent shall report any findings to the purchaser or lessee, in writing subject to and consistent with applicable laws of privacy. If the owner refuses to disclose such information, his or her agent shall so advise the purchaser or lessee in writing.

(P.A. 90-141, S. 3; P.A. 02-122, S. 2.)

History: P.A. 02-122 substituted reference to a homicide, other felony or a suicide for "psychological impact" and substituted "the purchaser's" for "his".

Connecticut General Statutes > Chapter 392 > § 20-329cc
Connecticut General Statutes 20-329cc – “Nonmaterial fact concerning real property” defined
Current as of: 2018 | Check for updates | Other versions


As used in sections 20-329cc to 20-329ff, inclusive, a “nonmaterial fact concerning real property” means a fact, set of facts or circumstance surrounding real estate which includes, but is not limited to: (1) The fact that an occupant of real property is or has been infected with a disease on the list of reportable diseases, emergency illnesses and health conditions issued by the Commissioner of Public Health pursuant to section 19a-2a; or (2) the fact that the property was at any time suspected to have been the site of a death or felony.

Terms Used In Connecticut General Statutes 20-329cc

• Felony: A crime carrying a penalty of more than a year in prison.
• Real property: Land, and all immovable fixtures erected on, growing on, or affixed to the land.

 

[kimch33kim]

Unfortunately the potential buyers will need to request such information for the state of CT and it is not part of the things listed on the disclosures sheet that will be disclosed without request.

 

[CTGrammy]

Oh yes I agree with you. Sorry if I was confusing. I was commenting on the article title which now has changed. It was "owner does not believe 51 year old mother died in the house". amazing how quickly they changed it. They also edited the number changing from saying the realtor listed the wrong house number now to they changed the house number.

Which still begets my point on Why change the address if you are going to Announce that you changed it? Changing it from 69 to 71 really may allow someone to overlook the fact that this is where JF died. However, it defeats the purpose if you actually Advertise that you have changed the number.

IMO.

 

[dlharris2712]

She may not have died "in the house"...but she died on the property. Splitting hairs...rhetoric. moo

 

[kimch33kim]

Which still begets my point on Why change the address if you are going to Announce that you changed it? Would changing it from 69 to 71 really allow someone to overlook the fact that this is where JF died? It is still the same house and you can not put lipstick on a pig, if you are going to Advertise the number change. It just defeats the purpose of changing the number.

IMO.

I think he changed it thinking no one will question him about it. But obviously word got out and he cannot keep quiet about it so he spoke to the press. We actually found out about it the day he listed the house but did not say anything I guess word got to the reporters and they reached out to him .....MOO

 

[dlharris2712]

Espinoza known to alter and manipulate interviews per that article. Lots to think about IMO.

It is amazing to me (not really) that the Avon police department is "dirty"...no wonder they can't move forward and solve the murder of JFD. Too much of their own housekeeping on the agenda. moo

 

[afitzy]

Looks like Mr. Karp (owner of 69/71 Welles Lane) simply created a mess for himself and you know the mess will simply become worse IMO now that is appears Atty. P. is making comments about the issue. Is Mr. Karp taking real estate advice from Atty. P.? Not sure that is a good idea....

I do think its quite telling that the listing is NOT apparently being handled by someone from NC. Nope. Mr. Karp is well known to all the Brokers in NC so why did he feel compelled to take the listing to Greenwich? Would no NC brokers take the listing?

Per the online listing the Broker is from Greenwich - IMO this is unusual:

• Presented by:
• Jennifer Leahy (917) 699-2783

• Brokered by:
• Douglas Elliman - Greenwich (203) 622-4900

Quotes from SA article (article seems to have been revised...):

“Anything that anybody says is conjecture,” Karp said. “We have spoken to law enforcement. Their need for the house has long passed.”

Mmmm. Here is the exact quote from the AW2 from the SA article:

“(Fotis) Dulos is believed to be operating the victim’s vehicle which is carrying the body of Jennifer Dulos and a number of other items associated with the cleanup which occurred in the garage of the residence,” the warrant said.

Defense attorney Norm Pattis, who is representing Fotis Dulos, said the circumstances of what happened inside the home remain unknown.

Sorry, but I very much wonder how Atty. P. can make the above statement? On WHAT is he basing this word salad statement which is like the statement of Mr. Karp directly opposed to the statement of LE made in AW2.

“We have no idea what happened to her. I doubt the seller does either, but he has a property to sell,” Pattis said.
IMO Atty. P. needs a full time 'fact checker' but I do love that once again Atty. P. takes the 'low road' in his statement and also take the most expedient path between pts. A - B to support the Sellers POV.

Six month anniversary of JF missing date and today Atty. P. is STILL stating that he "has no idea what happened" to her? LE perhaps sees things a bit differently. Not good news then from Atty. P.'s expensive PI's efforts over the past 4 months or so and it still appears there is no 'alternative theory' based on the investigation that Atty. P. said he started the day he took on the case too! Oh, Atty. P. seems at a loss with his client FD [who still doesn't seem to have a case IMO]!

MOO

 

[Midwestmom2019]

It is amazing to me (not really) that the Avon police department is "dirty"...no wonder they can't move forward and solve the murder of JFD. Too much of their own housekeeping on the agenda. moo

guy with gas can and crow bar? Known to police in Avon. Just let him walk...

 

[afitzy]

It is amazing to me (not really) that the Avon police department is "dirty"...no wonder they can't move forward and solve the murder of JFD. Too much of their own housekeeping on the agenda. moo

The good news is that the local PD near FD (Avon, Farmington etc.) were largely excluded from the investigation by State Police. Perhaps the CT State Police knew what they were doing in this regard given what we are learning now about the Avon PD as well as the officer involved with the FD mother death investigation. IDK but its quite concerning.

So many questions immediately surface when reading the Avon PD report on the KD incident at 585 Deer Cliff IMO. What I would like to know is why FD chose to cremate the body of his mother while he did not do the same for his father? Was he acting on the wishes of his mother?

The investigating officer from Avon PD is now under a cloud it seems based on the latest news reports. It seems likely that there are enough people still around and available to interview about the incident that perhaps it should get a second look from the CT State Police given the turmoil present in the Avon PD.

MOO