Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #33

[sds71]

Estranged husband Fotis Dulos appears to get emotional in court after arguing he is still entitled to money from his missing wife's family despite being a suspect in her disappearance because he had an 'agreement' with his late father-in-law
Fotis Dulos arrives at court for second day of civil trial | Daily Mail Online

 

[Outforjustice]

Estranged husband Fotis Dulos appears to get emotional in court after arguing he is still entitled to money from his missing wife's family despite being a suspect in her disappearance because he had an 'agreement' with his late father-in-law
Fotis Dulos arrives at court for second day of civil trial | Daily Mail Online

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Oh PLEEZE , spare us your fake theatrics.
He’s so obvious .
What a phony .

 

[afitzy]

Just reflecting a bit on the Daily Mail images of an emotional and crying FD trying to hold it together after the trial ended today in Hartford, CT.

JD fought hard in Family Court with the assistance of strong legal counsel for basic justice and custody of her 5 children for nearly 2 years and against an adversary in FD that had no issue lying on the stand, paying nothing towards the maintenance of his children and living a life beyond his means with an amoral mistress that was simply on the party train IMO. JD ended up missing and is now sadly presumed long dead (despite the fact that FD today wished her Happy Holidays outside the Hartford Courthouse!) and won't be there for her children or family going into this holiday season.

I'm not sure exactly what justice looks like in the case where a mother of 5 young children is made to disappear. FD has demonstrated no duty of care or responsibility for his 5 children IMO in any of his personal or professional behaviour that has been so well documented in Family and now Civil Court and so that whatever happens in terms of penalty must be all encompassing. He has given the finger to virtually every Judge that has had the misfortune to meet him as he made he way through the CT Judical system of Family and Civil Court.

I'm glad the Daily Mail captured the many images of the emotional FD in court and with tears in his eyes as they so perfectly memorialize the great contrast between the FD behaviour seen today and when he went to the NCPD headquarters on 5/25 at 9am and left after providing NO assistance to LE in their attempts to locate JD with his then lawyer, Pyetranker.

Not ONCE has FD shed a tear or care (ditto for MT) for JD, her family or his children and the tears today we saw proved that yet again the only thing the FD cares about is himself. We saw no FD emotion in the Sarah Wallace interview and even less IMO in the Dateline interview as he was IMO chillingly cold. I'm not sure the tears today were relief that the trial was over or some continuing delusional belief that he somehow prevailed over GF, but one thing seemed clear and that IMO was that the tears had ZERO do with the missing and now presumed dead JD or her family or his children and they no doubt had everything to do with the only person in FD's world which is himself.

IMO those images of a crying FD trying to keep it together as he did the long perp walk to his car with his atty and his 'sister' are a fitting end to a trial that didn't need to happen IMO and only happened because of circumstances created entirely by FD IMO. We have witnessed abuse of process first by Atty KM and then Atty BM who elevated disregard of basic courtroom procedure to new heights of awfulness IMO. We saw FD blow off court appearances and depositions multiple times and yet again (and just like Family Court) there were no consequences ever. I hope Judge Noble has the wisdom to see through the lies and FD crocodile tears and send FD and FORE group into supervised receivership so that no more potential exists for abuse of GF and the Farber family and that the financial interests of the 5 children are protected. No word on whether GAL Meehan fired up the Maserati and went to Hartford today to make sure the interests of the 5 Dulos children were well looked after in the Civil Case!

As an aside, I do wonder why Judge Heller hasn't ruled on the 2 motions to dismiss GAL Meehan as he surely has to be disposable at this point after the psych report fiasco and the finalisation of the GF temp custody motion? More issues for another day I guess!

Who wouldn't cry in pain if they figuratively doused themselves with gasoline and then lit themselves, their family and their life on fire such as we have seen FD do now since 2010? He is a guy that has been living a self fabricated lie of a life with his wife since 2010 by his own accounts and then moved on with an amoral mistress by his side since 2015 and he fuelled their lavish lifestyle with money that didn't belong to him. He has been arrested twice so far in connection with his wife's disappearance for whom he expressed zero concern during the entire time since she vanished on 5/24/19. The tears of today were no doubt relief that his personal pain and ongoing sense of persecution was blessedly over. Watching FD on the stand was painful as he had to work so hard to answer as truth simply wasn't an available option IMO. Tears could also have been for the relief that he didn't face additional perjury charges after his nearly 2 days of testimony! Sorry, not sorry that I can find zero compassion for the tears of FD as he made his way through a self created hellish legal situation!

My guess is that FD believes the total BS spouted by Atty BM that he was 'harassed' by GF and that yet again today felt the victim and so on come the tears. Fitting end to just one sad chapter of the life of FD which has been written, choreographed and acted in full by the man himself with minor appearances by a cast of legal characters who facilitated in full the FD abuse of the CT legal system IMO. It was a sorry case to watch but I don't think FD felt any shame or remorse for creating the entire fiasco. Nope. Shameless.

No doubt the next sad chapter will end with a jury conviction, orange jumpsuit and a long stay in either a State or Federal facility. I do wonder if FD will also cry then and whether he will ever shed a tear of remorse for any of his life choices or for how his choice have impacted his 5 children?

Don't think we will ever see remorse from FD ever.

MOO

 

[Outforjustice]

Just reflecting a bit on the Daily Mail images of an emotional and crying FD trying to hold it together after the trial ended today in Hartford, CT.

JD fought hard in Family Court with the assistance of strong legal counsel for basic justice and custody of her 5 children for nearly 2 years and against an adversary in FD that had no issue lying on the stand, paying nothing towards the maintenance of his children and living a life beyond his means with an amoral mistress that was simply on the party train IMO. JD ended up missing and is now sadly presumed long dead (despite the fact that FD today wished her Happy Holidays outside the Hartford Courthouse!) and won't be there for her children or family going into this holiday season.

I'm not sure exactly what justice looks like in the case where a mother of 5 young children is made to disappear. FD has demonstrated no duty of care or responsibility for his 5 children IMO in any of his personal or professional behaviour that has been so well documented in Family and now Civil Court and so that whatever happens in terms of penalty must be all encompassing. He has given the finger to virtually every Judge that has had the misfortune to meet him as he made he way through the CT Judical system of Family and Civil Court.

I'm glad the Daily Mail captured the many images of the emotional FD in court and with tears in his eyes as they so perfectly memorialize the great contrast between the FD behaviour seen today and when he went to the NCPD headquarters on 5/25 at 9am and left after providing NO assistance to LE in their attempts to locate JD with his then lawyer, Pyetranker.

Not ONCE has FD shed a tear or care (ditto for MT) for JD, her family or his children and the tears today we saw proved that yet again the only thing the FD cares about is himself. We saw no FD emotion in the Sarah Wallace interview and even less IMO in the Dateline interview as he was IMO chillingly cold. I'm not sure the tears today were relief that the trial was over or some continuing delusional belief that he somehow prevailed over GF, but one thing seemed clear and that IMO was that the tears had ZERO do with the missing and now presumed dead JD or her family or his children and they no doubt had everything to do with the only person in FD's world which is himself.

IMO those images of a crying FD trying to keep it together as he did the long perp walk to his car with his atty and his 'sister' are a fitting end to a trial that didn't need to happen and only happened because of circumstances created entirely by FD IMO. We have witnessed abuse of process first by Atty KM and then Atty BM who elevated disregard of basic courtroom procedure to new heights of awfulness IMO. We saw FD blow off court appearances and depositions multiple times and yet again (and just like Family Court) there were no consequences.

Who wouldn't cry in pain if they figuratively doused themselves with gasoline and then lit themselves, their family and their life on fire such as we have seen FD do now since 2010? He is a guy that has been living a self fabricated lie of a life with his wife since 2010 by his own accounts and then moved on with an amoral mistress by his side since 2015 and he fuelled their lavish lifestyle with money that didn't belong to him. He has been arrested twice so far in connection with his wife's disappearance for whom he expressed zero concern during the entire time since she vanished on 5/24/19. The tears of today were no doubt relief that his personal pain and ongoing sense of persecution was blessedly over. Watching FD on the stand was painful as he had to work so hard to answer as truth simply wasn't an available option IMO. Tears could also have been for the relief that he didn't face additional perjury charges after his nearly 2 days of testimony! Sorry, not sorry that I can find zero compassion for the tears of FD as he made his way through a self created hellish legal situation!

My guess is that FD believes the total BS spouted by Atty BM that he was 'harassed' by GF and that yet again today felt the victim and so on come the tears. Fitting end to just one sad chapter of the life of FD which has been written, choreographed and acted in full by the man himself.

No doubt the next sad chapter will end with a jury conviction, orange jumpsuit and a long stay in either a State or Federal facility. I do wonder if FD will also cry then and whether he will ever shed a tear of remorse for any of his life choices or for how his choice have impacted his 5 children?

Don't think we will ever see remorse from FD ever.

MOO

I really wish his tears had subtitles!

Were the tears :

*Relief
*Shame
*Guilt
* I’m actually gonna get away with this
* I beat GF
* I ruined my life
* My life is over and I’m going to Jail
* I screwed over my In-Law’s and I know it
* I’ll never see my kids again
* I feel sorry for myself
* I’m winning
* I miss MT
* IRS will be knocking on my door

It’s endless and bottomless .

 

[Tink56]

Estranged husband Fotis Dulos appears to get emotional in court after arguing he is still entitled to money from his missing wife's family despite being a suspect in her disappearance because he had an 'agreement' with his late father-in-law
Fotis Dulos arrives at court for second day of civil trial | Daily Mail Online

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FD really had the nerve to wish Jennifer and her family happy holidays???? Beyond words!!!!

 

[afitzy]

I really wish his tears had subtitles!

Were the tears :

*Relief
*Shame
*Guilt
* I’m actually gonna get away with this
* I beat GF
* I ruined my life
* My life is over and I’m going to Jail
* I screwed over my In-Law’s and I know it
* I’ll never see my kids again
* I feel sorry for myself
* I’m winning
* I miss MT
* IRS will be knocking on my door

It’s endless and bottomless .

Sadly I think FD is simply a bottomless pit of emptiness as a human being. He is a 50 something male that hasn't really worked or created a legacy for his children except one of total shame and dishonour IMO. The criminal process is just starting and if more charges are filed he most likely will be looking at life or close to it in prison if convicted. Given the Atty. P. conviction rate of past clients the outlook for FD IMO can't be all that rosy so perhaps that is also why we saw the tears? I do wonder if FD has the personal strength to endure or survive the upcoming criminal stage of his legal career?

His children will one day read about all this about their father and their mother and run not walk to change their last names in absolute disgust at their heritage from FD IMO. Its a sad situation for the Family and the children that they had to endure this pathetic process of witnessing FD behaviour over so many years. But at least this chapter is done for the family!

As I think Gertrude Stein said and I think it relates to FD (or at least what we have seen in court about FD and his choices), "There is no "there" there".

MOO

 

[afitzy]

FD really had the nerve to wish Jennifer and her family happy holidays???? Beyond words!!!!

Yes, we are BACK to Jennifer is alive and I wish she would just walk through the door that we first heard in the Dateline interview. Pathetic and Sad.

 

[Alathea]

RSBM

Yes, that was pure dramatic GOLD IMO! The topic of conversation was credit card invoices which proved that the MT affair began in 2015! Atty. P. heard this and simply buried his head into his arms. ...

I would truly love to know (not really so don't PM me please!) what or if anything MT did to earn a FORE salary, room/board and car, trips/travel, school most likely for her daughter etc. beyond being the typical bimbo mistress paramour that JD referred to in Family Court? So, I guess the going rate for a typical bimbo mistress paramour in the circles that FD runs in is a few hundred thousand dollars a year or so and probably a handful of trips and possibly some real estate that we have yet to uncover in this slimy and sleazy world created by FD! Perhaps paying by the hour for MT (or some other equivalent) might have been more economical for FD, but I'm sure FD ran the numbers on this equation as he is the 'math genius' doing diffy q in his jail cell and realised that the salary route was the way to go with the likes of MT!

I never expected this tragic missing case would uncover such an unseemly slimey group of characters and my guess is that the Criminal case will introduce even more such 'people'.

MOO

Love the spoiler even though it wasn't a surprise really!

I believe that the proceeds would go into a Trust (we also see the Trust for the 4Jx foreclosure). We don't know the details of the Trust but my guess is that it would benefit the 5 children as with the way FD is going with his life he won't have any money for the condom vending machine in prison let alone sending his children to college!

MOO

FD has no interest in paying anything for his children's food or education now, let alone sending them to college.

Aside from that, your posts were priceless!

 

[squareandrabbet]

Yes, we are BACK to Jennifer is alive and I wish she would just walk through the door that we first heard in the Dateline interview. Pathetic and Sad.

This has to turn people off... doesn't it? I mean, is there anyone in the know who believes that Jennifer is off living her best childfree life somewhere, hiding out in secret? Especially when the statement comes from her estranged accused ex-husband?

 

[Aydrianna523]

I really wish his tears had subtitles!

Were the tears :

*Relief
*Shame
*Guilt
* I’m actually gonna get away with this
* I beat GF
* I ruined my life
* My life is over and I’m going to Jail
* I screwed over my In-Law’s and I know it
* I’ll never see my kids again
* I feel sorry for myself
* I’m winning
* I miss MT
* IRS will be knocking on my door

It’s endless and bottomless .

Me? I think the tears were because he knows he messed up. He's seeing the money slip through his hands. Yes, I said hands. His lavish lifestyle with his mistress just might be over. Yikes! He thought he fixed that problem by killing JFd.
The most emotional he's been is when he's faced with the possibility of losing money. Right? And now he's a bit shocked and confused that his charm didn't seem to work this time!!!
I'm probably one of the least knowledgeable about money on this site, but I certainly know that if you get a loan from someone, you just can't turn around and say 'it was a gift' after they died. Wouldn't that be nice if it worked that way.
His money hungriness also showed through in his expectations to continue getting money from the F's even though...yeah! His user mentality really showed through imo.
I also think he now has a hint that he might lose the criminal trial, as well. There might be a little bit of 'maybe Americans aren't as gullible as I thought' going through his head.

 

[Mimi in London]

Or even that HF would even consider forgoing all those loans - after things got progressively WORSE with his son in law, not better.

The money would go to his grandchildren. I think it would be worth discussing how much they meant to him - enough that FD would threaten that Mr. Farber would never see them again - that must have been a painful threat for Mr. Farber.

Clearly, they did NOT get along.

I bet it was when FD realised his F-i-L had his number that, in his mind, ‘the marriage fell apart”.

 

[hivee]

I really wish his tears had subtitles!

Were the tears :

*Relief
*Shame
*Guilt
* I’m actually gonna get away with this
* I beat GF
* I ruined my life
* My life is over and I’m going to Jail
* I screwed over my In-Law’s and I know it
* I’ll never see my kids again
* I feel sorry for myself
* I’m winning
* I miss MT
* IRS will be knocking on my door

It’s endless and bottomless .

manipulation. my opinion only.

 

[hivee]

This has to turn people off... doesn't it? I mean, is there anyone in the know who believes that Jennifer is off living her best childfree life somewhere, hiding out in secret? Especially when the statement comes from her estranged accused ex-husband?

the biggest slap in the face to JD's family and mother. appalling. in my opinion.

 

[pernickety]

Yes, that was pure dramatic GOLD IMO! The topic of conversation was credit card invoices which proved that the MT affair began in 2015! Atty. P. heard this and simply buried his head into his arms.

I'm convinced the State should simply just come up with a couple more Civil or Federal actions against FD to keep him on the stand for a prolonged period of time and that this will keep him talking and simply burying himself further and further into a very long time in State or Federal prison and it will also flush out the remainder of the "Greek Benefactor" funds. Pushing FD into bankruptcy territory and eliminating the "Greek Benefactor/s" would hopefully mean a nice speedy and highly efficient Criminal proceeding with a Pubic Defender as the likelihood of Atty. P. sticking around with no 'green' in the game is unlikely at best even though he brought in the farm team talent from Brooklyn to prop up the ranks in Pattisville!

To jump start the process, the State could take their pick of additional possible charges just by reading through the transcript of the Civil Trial as I stopped counting after kinda/sorta/maybe seeing at least 10 possible State and 5 Federal charges that looked to be slam dunks for some ambitious Prosecutor!

The possibilities for State bank fraud prosecution also looked particularly promising IMO as it was quite disappointing to not see the infamous Sue Morin of Farmington Bank/Peoples Bank called to again invoke the 5th when asked about the MT/FD/GV house shell game. There also was no real substantive explanation as to the sizeable difference in the financial statements presented to Judge Heller and those presented to Peoples Bank. Also disappointing to not see KM in court beside his long time client and 'friend' FD. No doubt KM will be seeing his day in court coming soon but we will most likely have to wait that one out.

I do very much wonder about the quality of legal advice being given to FD? I'm waiting for the full trial transcript but it seems that instead of helping himself or redeeming himself that the FD trip to the witness box simply sunk him further and further into the muck. He didn't appear credible on a very basic level and the fact that he doesn't seem wired to tell the truth is problematic IMO for Pattisville in the Criminal case too most likely. The fact that the case confirmed the MT affair began in 2015 makes them both look even more like 'Bonnie and Clyde' looking for a quick payday at the Farber Family expense so that they could retire on the cheap in either Greece or Argentina, or knowing them probably BOTH!

What is also an open question is how long did FD not tell the truth about anything regarding his situation to his legal team? We saw Atty. P. put his head into his hands when it was disclosed that the MT affair with FD began in 2015. What had FD told Atty. P. and the Pattisville team about the affair? How can Pattisville defend a client that is unable to tell the truth about anything? In my mind its a good thing that the FD inability to tell the truth about anything is known upfront as it just means the State will have to take more time to have multiple sources and pieces of evidence to prove out their case. I do wonder how many times Pattis and Smith have argued about whether it makes sense to carry FD or should he be dumped as a client? My guess is that its an ongoing discussion.

Its actually a bit tragically comical to go back and read the various Atty. P. comments about MT and FD relationship as it reads like some high school make up/breakup/makeup story as we go from star crossed lovers to angry ex lover to the early pleas to the Judge to release MT as she has a full alibi for FD. I read through some of this nonsense today and I do very much think that Atty. P. handling of FD defense might just be studied in law schools in the form a case on how NOT to defend someone that will most likely be accused of murder!

Thinking about the FD testimony from the Civil Case today and what a cad (sorry only non TOS word I could come up with other than [REDACTED]) he was to his wife and children over such a long period of time and what JD and the children no doubt endured and then there he was in his full blazer glory smirking and laughing at Atty Weinstein from the stand. It was a fully disgusting display IMO and I'm glad Atty Weinstein called BS on FD rude and inappropriate behaviour in Court today. It was a momentary victory for Atty Weinstein as shame isn't in the FD DNA even though he is probably subsumed by it IMO.

But when you think that there surely can't be a person more despicable and poorly behaved than FD, you realise that 'oh no' there is MT, her daughter and her entire family crew all in on the grifter express to fleece the Farber Family SINCE 2015!

I would truly love to know (not really so don't PM me please!) what or if anything MT did to earn a FORE salary, room/board and car, trips/travel, school most likely for her daughter etc. beyond being the typical bimbo mistress paramour that JD referred to in Family Court? So, I guess the going rate for a typical bimbo mistress paramour in the circles that FD runs in is a few hundred thousand dollars a year or so and probably a handful of trips and possibly some real estate that we have yet to uncover in this slimy and sleazy world created by FD! Perhaps paying by the hour for MT (or some other equivalent) might have been more economical for FD, but I'm sure FD ran the numbers on this equation as he is the 'math genius' doing diffy q in his jail cell and realised that the salary route was the way to go with the likes of MT!

I never expected this tragic missing case would uncover such an unseemly slimey group of characters and my guess is that the Criminal case will introduce even more such 'people'.

MOO

Is there a picture of it—NP head in hands? Yes, the dramatic gesture would be pure gold, in damage to his client in the criminal case . What veteran defense counsel would make a gesture like that? Lawyers are supposed to be cool and unflappable. And it was about FD’s relationship with MT. Judge Noble ruled that MT didn’t have to answer any deposition questions relating to her relationship with FD (presumably b/c they could incriminate her in a conspiracy charge.) So why didn’t NP object to the questions concerning FD’s relationship with MT on the same grounds—that they would incriminate FD in a charge of conspiracy? Rather than sitting there burying his head in his hands? MOO. Here’s the take of well-known defense lawyer Mark Sherman on whether FD and MT could be arrested for conspiracy.

Jennifer Dulos Case: Can Fotis Dulos and Girlfriend Be Arrested for Conspiracy in Connecticut? - The Law Offices of Mark Sherman

 

[Jmoose]

I wish I knew if depositions from some of FD’s associates (KM, MM) will feature in FD’s eventual criminal trial. I know that Susan Morin “took the fifth”... to protect herself from prosecution, and so there is no help there, but have KM or the Brown Univ undergraduate friend MM ever been questioned? Are we to assume that everybody associated with this character will refuse to answer questions posed to them because of the real possibility of prosecution for participation in crimes with FD?

 

[afitzy]

Can anyone interpret why NP would hold his head in his hands when his client, FD, was testifying?

Just a guess but FD has no doubt been not telling the truth to Atty. P. and the Pattisville crew from the beginning about the duration of the affair with MT and any/all details about his 'relationship' with JD. My guess is little to nothing FD has shared with Pattisville about MT or JD has been remotely true, even 6 months into this case.

We have been the unfortunate witnesses of months of Atty. P. IMO looking like the village idiot spouting the FD 'alibi scripts' to any/all in the global press while also screaming about his first amendment rights and denigrating the 'gag order' to the continuing farce that JD is still alive against all evidence presented by LE. There has not been a shred of truth spoken by Pattisville anyplace other than to say that JD is missing which means that not only does the CLIENT have a HUGE CREDITABILITY issue but the entire LEGAL TEAM has a HUGE CREDITABILITY issue. Kudos to the female reporter that Atty. P. yet again attacked for doing their job because she was TOTALLY ONPOINT with her question about FD Credibility yesterday. Even though with everything we see daily in the news and how Atty. P. and his ilk chose to twist and run fast and loose with the truth, IMO things like credibility and integrity are important, particularly in a jury trial.

FD has now been documented to have gotten up on the stand and under oath chosen to not tell the truth in both Family Court and Civil Court. What makes anyone in any jury think that he now moves into Criminal Court and he will tell the truth? At the end of the day I'm not sure truth telling from FD will make much difference as the State knows who/what they are dealing with in FD IMO. It also doesn't seem like truth has much of anything to do with the 'legal strategy' we are seeing from Pattisville.

Pattisville IMO are just going to do down the path of reasonable doubt and in the process of this long and ugly path will no doubt do what they can to discredit any and all people in the lives of JD and FD with a bulldozer.

We saw what looks to be the beginnings of this bulldozer process in the recent LA deposition and its highly unfortunate that this is the path being chosen. What I do find amusing about this line of questioning for LA and potentially her BF, that was handled with the subtlety of a drunk after a 5 day bender by Atty BM, is that what seemed to emerge was even more evidence of premeditation on the part of FD/MT IMO. Threatening and intimidating a potential witness is illegal the last time I looked and kudos to Atty Weinstein for doing his best to protect his client from the legal thuggery of Atty BM and FD (and NO DOUBT Atty. P. IMO)!

The defense presented by Pattisville has IMO has been slipshod, reactionary and based in untruth and has also been deeply shaming to the victim. In short, Atty. P. [who doesn't have a case BTW] is now 6 months post 5/24/missingdate and is NOWHERE with an alternative theory and my guess is that he knows he is well and truly sunk with a dud client that cannot tell the truth to save his life. Its almost that the default reaction from FD when confronted with a question is simply not tell the truth, even when the truth is possible or wouldn't get him into hot water. Its fascinating to watch this sickness/compulsive behaviour play out in FD play out and its one of the reasons that I hope to get the entire civil trial transcript to study as it will no doubt be illuminating to see the pattern develop. I also think the Statement Analysis folks would have a field day with the FD testimony in the Civil Case so hopefully that will happen too!

I do have faith that everything will come out in the wash regarding justice for JD, but my best guess is that it will be on a very long wash cycle unfortunately in the State of CT. I also take comfort that the history has often proven to be unkind to those that think they are the smartest in the room and then there is always the historical win/loss ratio of Atty. P. which provides never ending comfort as to the inevitable outcome of this case too!

MOO

 

[afitzy]

Does it mean that it will take the full 120 days before he announces his decision, or that he will make his decision public somewhere within the 120 days?

The way I read it is that he has 120 max to issue his ruling. I would hope that the evidence here is quite clear (other than the invoices that Atty Weinstein had never seen before trial and ditto for some of the credit card statements) and this would allow for a swifter ruling. But the 2 attys have until 12/21 I believe to submit their closing briefs to the Judge based on what we learned yesterday.

 

[Jmoose]

The way I read it is that he has 120 max to issue his ruling. I would hope that the evidence here is quite clear (other than the invoices that Atty Weinstein had never seen before trial and ditto for some of the credit card statements) and this would allow for a swifter ruling. But the 2 attys have until 12/23 I believe to submit their closing briefs to the Judge based on what we learned yesterday.

They have until 12/21 to file their briefs...I suppose they can get them in before that, but why hurry? We can be pretty sure that FD’s “team” will take until the 21st, if history of his attorneys is any indicator. So then 4 months after that, then we’ll know what Noble wants to do. Anybody have any guesses about criminal charges that are very likely to follow?

 

[afitzy]

Replying to mysekf

Replying to my own post since my mind is racing .

I fully comprehend that I wasn’t privy to being in Court to hear Weinstein’s questioning nor an insider devising strategy but, I don’t quite understand a few things :

Why was MT was given a “get out of jail card”?

Weinstein spent GF’s money deposing MT, having the Judge decide which questions MT had to answer yet, he ends up not bothering to have her answer them nor appear in Court ?

Even if Weinstein realized MT’s answers wouldn’t help GF’s Case at the very least bring her to Court , put her on the Stand to make her squirm ,it’s the least she deserves .

In the end ..Bowman’s strategy worked with MT. She got off Scott Free. It Seems like such a waste of an opportunity to grill her
Face To Face with FD .

Its interesting to hear your POV on this with Bowman and MT.

I actually see it slightly differently and I do think it all was very well played by Atty Weinstein - brilliantly actually and it gave so so much useful information to the State and GF about the role of MT IMO.

Here goes....for what its worth....

Because Atty Bowman and MT haven't spoken publicly and because MT lied to LE for over 2 months by spouting the alibi script, LE kinda/sorta/maybe/probably knew what she had done and didn't do but needed to flush it out and/or define it all more clearly but because she wasn't talking they couldn't get the info from the 'horses mouth' as it were!

So, enter the civil case.

We initially saw Atty Bowman working with Atty Weinstein on the terms of a deposition for MT BUT THEN we see a total about face where there would NOW be nothing MT could say on the record (other than her name) which would keep her safe from additional charges and out of prison until she was older and greyer! What changed during this period? Did MT perhaps share a bit more info with Atty Bowman about what her true role in everything regarding the disappearance might have been? We don't know for sure what happened but from the many Atty Weinstein deposition questions it became clear that much information is known about MT and her relationship with FD and the FORE Group. IMO the fact that the Judge only allowed 18 questions or so to be answered was irrelevant at that point because IMO LE and certainly Atty Weinstein knew the answers to all the deposition questions AT A MINIMUM as they no doubt knew so so much more about MT and her role with FD and FORE.

So, IMO only the MT deposition was simply an investigative tool that very effectively served its purpose. IMO it was so effective that MT didn't even need to speak as the actions of Atty Bowman SCREAMED the results to the world about the involvement of MT in the activities of FORE and FD IMO. IMO also I think Atty Bowman grossly miscalculated his actions and didn't deftly manage his situation as it screamed of desperation. But, thats ok because it proved in my feeble mind at least that the MT legal situation is absolutely desperate and probably as desperate as that of FD. After the Atty Bowman show in Civil Court, IMO MT looks to be an EQUAL PARTNER with FD in the disappearance of JD without question. We will have to wait and see if MT was in the garage at Welles or in the garage at 80MS etc. But I would not be at all surprised to see murder or conspiracy to murder charges bought against MT in the future.

So, to kinda answer the initial question, No, I don't believe MT got away with anything. She didn't get away with anything because by not talking she actually shared more with LE IMO than answering the basic questions on the Atty Weinstein deposition! MT simply sunk herself even deeper into a legal quagmire that will make it virtually impossible (absent some deal from the State) to stay out of prison for many many years IMO.

I do wonder though why Atty Bowman wasn't taking notes during the Frazee trial to possibly assist his client (maybe he was IDK). My guess though is that the 2 cases are different because MT most likely is much more deeply involved than Krystal Kenny ever was; but who knows?

I do hope the State took note of the Atty Bowman antics on behalf of his client. I also very much hope the State looks carefully into bank fraud and possible federal charges for MT, FD and GV due to their house flip deal with FD giving MT $75,000 etc. But my guess is that this is small change compared to the many other things done by FORE, MT, FD and GV and that we will have to wait and see what the State and Federal authorities come up with as their strategy.

But no, MT got away with Zero and the laser beam of the State and Federal authorities is no doubt smack dab in the middle of her forehead at this point. MT is going nowhere fast IMO on her present course.

MOO MOO MOO

 

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They have until 12/21 to file their briefs...I suppose they can get them in before that, but why hurry? We can be pretty sure that FD’s “team” will take until the 21st, if history of his attorneys is any indicator. So then 4 months after that, then we’ll know what Noble wants to do. Anybody have any guesses about criminal charges that are very likely to follow?

The warrants were sealed for 90 days I think in the first week or so of November. So, perhaps they will be extended for another 90 or less? If the investigation has moved outside the US then it will simply take that much longer too.