Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #36

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Also in referring to AW3 of FD when describing JD's black Chevy Suburban:
We know that at 6:59 pm on 5/24 NCPD gets a call about JD and responds to her 69 Welles Lane address. Shortly thereafter (it says approximately 7:00 pm) JDs 2017 Black Chevy Suburban is found on Lapham road adjacent to the SW portion of Waveny Park.

The vehicle is empty.
The running lights are on. (I looked at the model of vehicle and this could have simply been a mistake in wiping the vehicle down OR maybe FD didn't know how to operate and accidentally left them on OR it was done on purpose)
There is stain spatter on the passenger side of the vehicle. (no indication of whether it this is inside or outside). IMO probably outside.

So based on that...a lot of what many of you posted pieced altogether seems accurate.

Based on camera surveillance on a man wearing a hoodie and riding a bicycle similar in appearance to a vintage mercier bicycle is seen on Weed Street at approximately 7:30 am. Routes from where the Tacoma was parked (almost identical location to where JD's Suburban was abandoned) would possibly have taken the rider (FD) down Lapham Road, Old Stamford Road and Weed Street.

JD arrives at 69 Welles Lane in her Suburban at 8:05 am.

Speculation based on posters thoughts/ my own thoughts and AWs: The 2014 Range Rover is parked in the middle bay. FD has arrived at residence first. Is waiting outside the garage on the side of it where he cannot be seen by anyone coming down the driveway and approaching the garage. JD opens the garage while still in vehicle. Drives Suburban to the bay left of the Range Rover so that the passenger side of Suburban is next to the driver's side of the Range Rover. JD collects her purse and exits the vehicle and like a lot of us intends to enter the home through the garage mudroom door area and would likely close garage from a panel outside same door. Or she closes the garage door from her vehicle. Either way it doesn't matter because FD is already there having lied in wait for her and is in the garage. Her back is to the garage opening. As she is exiting the vehicle FD attacks her swiftly from behind. Maybe tries initially to restrain her or just outright hits her in the head or upper body with an object. She struggles. This blow does not knock her out. maybe tries to get around the suburban to escape from behind and winds up trapped between the RR and the Suburban (blood spatter would seem to indicate IMHO that this is the case. Several blows to get her to the ground. She is prone now and bleeding and suffering. He zip ties her to keep her from struggling. Maybe says all sorts of hateful awful things to her while doing so. Finds the camping pillows for the kids in the garage and once she is subdued with the zipties smothers her to death in the garage. Then bags her. Then begins the garage clean up. Then loads up all the items including his bike and the bucket and paper towel clean up and finally JD into the Suburban and departs Welles address at 10:25 am. The speculation is ofcourse a quilt of information and the above paragraph is MOO based on what I mentioned at the start of said paragraph.
This explanation is consistent with what we know so far, except why were her purse, the cup of tea and an unfinished granola bar in the kitchen? She could have left the food on the counter before she took the kids to school, but what about her purse? Did she go inside, taking the purse with her, hear something, open the door to investigate, and was ambushed as soon as she did so?

The only problem with that theory is that, given the danger she knew he posed to her, would she have gone into the garage if she heard a noise, or would she instead have immediately picked up the phone and called the police? Also, if he wanted Dulos wanted anyone to believe his ludicrous Gone Girl scenario, why did he leave her purse in the kitchen? Didn't he know the presence of the purse was going to set off all kinds of alarms?

Based on the clear evidence, the assault clearly took place in the garage. How does the location of her purse in the kitchen fit into this narrative? That question has been bugging me. It doesn't change the fact that Dulos is guilty, of course, but it does tell us something about how the attack went down. I just don't know what yet.
 
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How is his financial situation "actually quite good," NP? Financial crimes investigators would LOVE to know ....
'I Will Fight': Norm Pattis Is Standing by a Man Accused of Murder | Connecticut Law Tribune

Known for his blunt talk, fierce advocacy and controversial clients, New Haven attorney Norm Pattis is no stranger to infamy.
Fellow attorneys follow his cases. And love him or hate him, the firebrand is one of Connecticut’s best-known attorneys.
But among his clients: a man accused of murder, and one being sued for pushing a conspiracy theory about a mass shooting at an elementary school. The men are at once high-profile and unpopular figures: Alex Jones, who Sandy Hook families are suing for defamation, and Fotis Dulos, arrested this week on suspicion of murdering his missing wife, the mother of five children.
Pattis was in Austin, Texas, Friday to meet with Jones. But the lawyer says the press has bombarded him with questions about the Connecticut murder case. His client was charged Tuesday with the murder of his wife, Jennifer, who disappeared May 24.
Dulos posted a $6 million bond two days later.
Within hours, by Friday morning, Pattis said he fielded no less than 15 media calls, requesting interviews on Dulos. And he often obliges, saying he has a message for the media, law enforcement and the public.
“You have not seen the half of it [evidence],” the Pattis & Smith partner said. “We will win. We have a strong case.”
Prosecutors have also charged two other people with conspiracy to commit murder: Fotis Dulos’ former girlfriend, Michelle Troconis, and his friend, attorney Kent Mawhinney.
But Pattis argues the state arrested Dulos on circumstantial evidence.
“I will not stand idly by and see my client sacrificed and maligned,” he said. “I will fight fire with fire.”
His strategy moving forward: “master the evidence the state has, and to see whether it supports their theory and to develop alternative theories consistent with his innocence,” Pattis said.
In other words, focus on shifting suspicion, but raising arguments that someone other than her husband is responsible for Jennifer Dulos’ disappearance.
“If she is a victim of foul play, it’s at the hands of someone else,” Pattis said.
Richard Colangelo Jr., the state’s attorney for the Stamford/Norwalk Judicial District where the case will be tried, did not respond to a request for comment Friday.
Public eye
Meanwhile, Pattis said he’s “disappointed” with how prosecutors and law enforcement officials have handled the case.
“They locked on to Mr. Dulos from day one,” Pattis said. ”They changed their motive. First, it was about divorce, and now they are claiming he had a financial crisis. His financial situation is not as bad as people have suggested. It’s actually quite good.”
What’s not good for the defense: the constant news coverage.
“There is a saying that there is never too much media publicity for an attorney. I’m not sure about that in this case,” Pattis said. “It’s been awkward and embarrassing.”
But despite the publicity, the attorney thinks Dulos can get a fair trial in Connecticut.
Picking a jury just might take a little longer, he said.
Until then, Pattis said he and his legal team speak to Dulos, who is now under house arrest, several times a day.
“I’ll see to it that he has a fair trial,” Pattis said. “It takes patience sometimes. My theory is you do not need jury consultants. But rather, when you look at a juror, do they listen and resonate and respond to you?”
 
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Sorry...I thought everyone here flipped out talking about a robot as I missed that selfie and MT.....I was real confused. I never have seen a cleanup robot before. Glad Nanobody sent a pic....and I now understand. All of you are sane. :)

BBM/underlined too! If only they "cleaned up"! It sends a signal announcement: "clean up in produce" & a human must respond! The damn thing beeps constantly & seems to participate in a "stand off" when encountered! HATE IT!
 
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IF it was Inevitable that Fd would murder JFd, then why did he wait 2 years?

IMO, IF it was Inevitable, he would have done it Immediately after she left.

AW3 Absolutely spells out Fd's Financial Spiral and we are led to believe that the Murder was due to this Financial Spiral and the Growing of a tremendous Amount of Debt. In the Millions.

Fd was Financially Cornered with No Way Out and IMO, this was the Catalyst. Yes, I am positive that he had voiced ideas of murder prior to 2019, but the fact that he waited 2 years, indicates to me that the Money was the Catalyst and that Catalyst was made evident in early 2019.

IF the Divorce was Finalized BEFORE he was in Dire Straights, I doubt that he would have ever been in Dire Straights, since it would Not have been Imperative for him to continue Hiding Assets and claiming Poverty, If the Divorce was final beforehand.

Fd's Financial Spiral began in late 2018. It was October of 2018 when Fd refused to pay the mortgage/loan on 4JC. Fd paid the mortgage and the HF/GF loan for almost an entire 1.5 years After JFd filed for Divorce.

WHAT Changed in October of 2018 and Early 2019?

Money or Lack of Money and Millions of Dollars in Debt, will Absolutely make even a sane person go off the deep end to the point of committing murder.

To Fd, murdering JFd was his way out Financially and eliminating her from his life was just an added bonus.

Fd had just under 2 Years to which he could have murdered JFd.

JFd left with the Children on Fathers Day, June 18, 2017 and filed for divorce the next day.

JFd was killed on May 24, 2019, just 4 weeks shy of 2 years of her filing for divorce.

WHY did Fd Wait until he was Financially at the point of No Return IF he were going to murder her anyway?

Fd would have Already murdered JFd if it was just about getting rid of her.

So, Yes, I believe that if Fd had been Held Accountable in Family Court prior to his financial demise, then Yes, there Is a Possibility that JFd could still be alive.

We are Not talking about a Judge who said 'Oh Mr. Dulos, you may comply with my orders, but only If you want to and every time you come before me, I will ask you If you want to. You know, because nothing Court Ordered is ever enforceable'.

NO, Fd was Ordered to Comply over and over and the Judge did not impose Consequences when he Refused to Comply.

What is the point in having a Justice System if parties are Not Held Accountable?

IMO.
I'm with you on all of this. The longer divorce goes on, the worse it gets. And the worse it got for FD, by extension it got worse for Jennifer. I understand the line of reasoning of those who say, well, the courts didn't kill her, FD did that. It's like saying guns don't kill people, people kill people. So yes, I have no problem saying the actions of the judges and, this might be unpopular, but I don't think JD attys did her any favors. Useless motions that were never going to get truthful results. Get the kids, get the divorce and be done with it. MOO.
 
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@gitana1, curious what you meant here about if there had been consequences earlier in the FC case that Fd might have just killed JFd sooner.

I keep trying to puzzle out the Fd behaviour in FC and so far as I can tell virtually everything he did both in FC and Civil Court involved a delay to the process. Are you saying that the intent to murder JFd was longstanding and so if the FC case had ended sooner that the death of JFd was sadly inevitable?

We don't know why this extra time was so very important for whatever reason to Fd, but it seems to have been very impt. We've speculated on reasons why the extra time might have been important to Fd and how it might have been tied into motive possibly too. I don't think we have a clear cut answer now though to answer the question.

MOO

ITA. I think it highly likely Fd's behavior is driven by his toxic personality and wanting sadistic revenge not just against Jennifer but also against her mother, who is still footing the legal bills.

In the recent cases of missing mothers Watts, Berreth and Dulos, the two big things the cases have in common are not just being in a relationship with a covert narcissist but also, all three women had strong, supportive relationships with their parents/siblings. The goal of all three men was to destroy those relationships both emotionally and financially. I wish every high school would have seminars on how to recognize a covert narcissist, the tactics used to inflict emotional abuse and that Prince Charming is a fairy tale.

Attorneys abuse the court process to facilitate this form of emotional and financial abuse because they make a lot more money. No custody case should drag out over years. There is no excuse for courts allowing it and worse, ignoring it.

JMO
 
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I don't have access..is there anyway you can post the map?

I tried, but it is a dynamic map and it won't copy for me, even with a screen shot. Are you on a phone or computer? Deleting cookies on a computer might help...???
(I apologize...my computer skills are happiest with copy and paste...this one wouldn't work.)
 
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This explanation is consistent with what we know so far, except why were her purse, the cup of tea and an unfinished granola bar in the kitchen? She could have left the food on the counter before she took the kids to school, but what about her purse? Did she go inside, taking the purse with her, hear something, open the door to investigate, and was ambushed as soon as she did so?

The only problem with that theory is that, given the danger she knew he posed to her, would she have gone into the garage if she heard a noise, or would she instead have immediately picked up the phone and called the police? Also, if he wanted Dulos wanted anyone to believe his ludicrous Gone Girl scenario, why did he leave her purse in the kitchen? Didn't he know the presence of the purse was going to set off all kinds of alarms?

Based on the clear evidence, the assault clearly took place in the garage. How does the location of her purse in the kitchen fit into this narrative? That question has been bugging me. It doesn't change the fact that Dulos is guilty, of course, but it does tell us something about how the attack went down. I just don't know what yet.
If I'm just running to the convenience store up the street, I often just take my DL and ATM card and leave the purse at home.
 
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This explanation is consistent with what we know so far, except why were her purse, the cup of tea and an unfinished granola bar in the kitchen? She could have left the food on the counter before she took the kids to school, but what about her purse? Did she go inside, taking the purse with her, hear something, open the door to investigate, and was ambushed as soon as she did so?

The only problem with that theory is that, given the danger she knew he posed to her, would she have gone into the garage if she heard a noise, or would she instead have immediately picked up the phone and called the police? Also, if he wanted Dulos wanted anyone to believe his ludicrous Gone Girl scenario, why did he leave her purse in the kitchen? Didn't he know the presence of the purse was going to set off all kinds of alarms?

Based on the clear evidence, the assault clearly took place in the garage. How does the location of her purse in the kitchen fit into this narrative? That question has been bugging me. It doesn't change the fact that Dulos is guilty, of course, but it does tell us something about how the attack went down. I just don't know what yet.

I don't think she took her purse and tea to do the school drop off.

I personally have done a quick school run without my purse, when my children were younger since the children's school was just around the corner.

I too am surprised that the purse and tea were left in place by Fd. He wanted it to look like an abduction in Waveny Park, so you would think that he would have placed the purse and the tea in the Suburban before leaving 69/71WL.

Leaving the purse at home, shows that she was abducted/killed at home.

IMO.
 
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This explanation is consistent with what we know so far, except why were her purse, the cup of tea and an unfinished granola bar in the kitchen? She could have left the food on the counter before she took the kids to school, but what about her purse? Did she go inside, taking the purse with her, hear something, open the door to investigate, and was ambushed as soon as she did so?

The only problem with that theory is that, given the danger she knew he posed to her, would she have gone into the garage if she heard a noise, or would she instead have immediately picked up the phone and called the police? Also, if he wanted Dulos wanted anyone to believe his ludicrous Gone Girl scenario, why did he leave her purse in the kitchen? Didn't he know the presence of the purse was going to set off all kinds of alarms?

Based on the clear evidence, the assault clearly took place in the garage. How does the location of her purse in the kitchen fit into this narrative? That question has been bugging me. It doesn't change the fact that Dulos is guilty, of course, but it does tell us something about how the attack went down. I just don't know what yet.
Personally, I have a purse and a wallet. On quick trips or going into restaurants and such, I just take my wallet. She could have done the same when she dropped the kids at school with the intention of grabbing her entire purse to go to New York.
 
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BBM/underlined too! If only they "cleaned up"! It sends a signal announcement: "clean up in produce" & a human must respond! The damn thing beeps constantly & seems to participate in a "stand off" when encountered! HATE IT!
I love it !! Kids love to watch it . I just wonder what other people think as I mutter "Excuse me" as I step around it. LOL
 
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I don't think she took her purse and tea to do the school drop off.

I personally have done a quick school run without my purse, when my children were younger since the children's school was just around the corner.

I too am surprised that the purse and tea were left in place by Fd. He wanted it to look like an abduction in Waveny Park, so you would think that he would have placed the purse and the tea in the Suburban before leaving 69/71WL.

Leaving the purse at home, shows that she was abducted/killed at home.

IMO.
I'm guessing he didn't notice the tea/granola bar and was assuming her belongings (purse) would've already been in the car. I'm of the opinion things didn't go as planned, so I'm guessing he didn't check for these details.
 
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No confirmation from LE. I am very surprised that Baden would make such a statement. Do we know if he is working for State or Defense or is unaffiliated?? When he did his interview did he explain his affiliation here? Curious as to source?

Finding the axe now at the time of AW3 simply seems 'odd' given the number of prior searches along with the fact that the searched areas would have been photographed previously IMO. Very strange situation IMO. Has anyone heard anything else about the axe?


MOO! not surprised by the statement, as I mentioned before, he's providing an abbreviated analysis based on frequently standard protocols and doing it as a Fox forensic consultant.

NOT on the State of Connecticut payroll & I would bet he's NOT PRO BONO (free!) but just my opinion (the latter!)

About the axe: being actively tested!
 
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This explanation is consistent with what we know so far, except why were her purse, the cup of tea and an unfinished granola bar in the kitchen? She could have left the food on the counter before she took the kids to school, but what about her purse? Did she go inside, taking the purse with her, hear something, open the door to investigate, and was ambushed as soon as she did so?

The only problem with that theory is that, given the danger she knew he posed to her, would she have gone into the garage if she heard a noise, or would she instead have immediately picked up the phone and called the police? Also, if he wanted Dulos wanted anyone to believe his ludicrous Gone Girl scenario, why did he leave her purse in the kitchen? Didn't he know the presence of the purse was going to set off all kinds of alarms?

Based on the clear evidence, the assault clearly took place in the garage. How does the location of her purse in the kitchen fit into this narrative? That question has been bugging me. It doesn't change the fact that Dulos is guilty, of course, but it does tell us something about how the attack went down. I just don't know what yet.
Yes, the purse location is a big question mark here, completely agree.

I wonder though if the purse was simply not taken on the school run and that she just took her wallet and phone to do the drop off? She might have wanted to take her purse with her into the city so it was in the kitchen and ready to go, but many folks just carry a handheld wallet (sometimes with a wrist strap) and phone for day to day errands around town and don't use a purse all the time.

The other possibility I keep thinking about as LA mentioned the open door is whether Fd was actually in the mudroom area or interior area patio area possibly and hidden and so the attack happened initially inside the house with a 'grab and drag' and then the main brutal and bloody part of the attack happened in the garage where the evidence of blood in copious amounts can't IMO be disputed based on what we learned in AW3. IDK?

With the purse taken on the school run scenario then it might have been possible for JFd to exit the Suburban, enter the mudroom and drop off bag in kitchen. Fd was hidden inside the house and then he jumps her in the kitchen and drags her back to the garage where the attack is severe and bloody which is supported by the forensic info from AW3.

IDK. Still thinking.

Evidence in the garage in the form of blood spatter on 2 cars and walls, floor clean up in evidence which leads me to suspect blood pools in multiple locations. It seems like the brutal portion of the attack most likely happened between the 2 vehicles in the garage and right outside the mudroom door in the garage. Based on the location of the blood mentioned in the garage in AW3 it appears that the attack happened in the portion of the garage closest to the mudroom door and from the area defined by the drivers side door of the Range Rover Forward (so maybe this was roughly 8-10 ft - representing distance from Drivers door to Mudroom Door?).

If we see blood pool/s in the area on the ground near the drivers side of the Suburban then IMO this clearly would indicate that the attack was quickly done in the garage and that JFd never entered the house. The blood evidence found inside the mud room could have come from JFd trying to flee inside and being dragged back in or could have been from Fd entering the house to look for cleaning supplies (paper towels or rags or bags etc.).

I also wonder if the JFd purse being in the kitchen might have been a Fd error too. Was the purse with JFd in the Suburban and Fd wanted to search the purse and possibly phone and so brought it inside to take a look but then forgot to bring it back outside to dispose of? Could Fd have been looking in the purse after the attack was done and simply forgotten to add it to the black garbage bags for disposal or placement in Waveny to support the possible "Attack in Waveny Theory"? Again, IDK. Many mistakes were made and I wonder if this was just one of them.

Seems like there are multiple options/scenarios for the purse!

MOO
 
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How is his financial situation "actually quite good," NP? Financial crimes investigators would LOVE to know ....
100%

I actually nominate this financial situation of Fd being "actually quite good" 'GEM' for Atty. P. quote of the week! It's hard though as he has had so many "GEMS" this week including his horrible statement about the State Senator working on DV in the Courts or his statements about KM arrest or KM STBX. Hard to pick....its been a banner week in Pattisville IMO for moronic and off topic quotes!

Wouldn't you LOVE Atty. P. to be the loan officer at the bank evaluating your request for a multi million dollar loan! I know I WOULD!

MOO
 
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Knowing a 'bit' about Dr Gill and also how disparaging the public remarks of Atty. P. were the other day about Dr. Gill, I'd speculate Dr Gill will not return the call or will simply say 'interview me on the stand at trial'.

The Dr. Gill POV on COD and MOD will no doubt be hotly discussed at trial and I believe that now Dr. Gill simply has to state his opinion for purposes of the AW but I don't believe he is under any obligation now to provided the specifics as to how he reached his POV for the Defense. Defense might actually have to do some work on this issue and spend some money!

The defense will no doubt engage their own experts to undertake the process of what Dr Gill did and then we will be 'treated' to the classic 'duel of the experts' IMO. Given also the forensic heavy nature of this case, IMO this 'dueling' will happen on the forensic work as well.

MOO

Pretty much "on the money"! NP probably depose as an expert witness regarding facts but NOT work product (i.e. specific texts/research et al utilized).

oops, IMO, IME
 
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MOO! not surprised by the statement, as I mentioned before, he's providing an abbreviated analysis based on frequently standard protocols and doing it as a Fox forensic consultant.

NOT on the State of Connecticut payroll & I would bet he's NOT PRO BONO (free!) but just my opinion (the latter!)

About the axe: being actively tested!
So, in your opinion, do you think it showed traces of blood in preliminary tests? Or he's just spouting hypotheticals?
 
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I don't think she took her purse and tea to do the school drop off.

I personally have done a quick school run without my purse, when my children were younger since the children's school was just around the corner.

I too am surprised that the purse and tea were left in place by Fd. He wanted it to look like an abduction in Waveny Park, so you would think that he would have placed the purse and the tea in the Suburban before leaving 69/71WL.

Leaving the purse at home, shows that she was abducted/killed at home.

IMO.

I have 2 thoughts on this.
1. He didn't move or touch her tea and granola bar because he was being very careful not to get his fingerprints inside the house. Clearly since he insisted he didn’t go in the house, he didn’t think his fingerprints were in there. It seems like he was likely wearing gloves, and it’s one thing to flip open a cabinet, a sink faucet, or pull off a paper towel with gloves, but another to pick up a cup, and he wouldn't want to get any evidence on the cup or counter. He was trying to disrupt things as absolutely little as possible while in the house.

2. The purse: either she just took her phone and wallet and not whole purse for drop off (very common for such a quick, routine run), OR
The purse was still in the car when he ambushed her, and he placed it in the house when he left since he didn’t want to be caught with her purse; OR she had the purse when she got out of the car and it fell when he attacked her, and when doing the cleanup he didn't want to leave it in the garage so placed it just inside; OR she had already opened the door to enter the house from the garage and put down her purse and she heard a noise and turned around and stepped out to check and that’s when he got her.

It is odd that apparently he took her phone but not the purse. This suggests that she may not have had it with her in the car (first explanation). Others earlier suggested that he likely also wanted to see if he could scan through her phone or get any info off of it. He likely was thinking about phone locators since he left his at 4JC so having her phone move to Waveny would distract and place LE efforts there in an abduction/GG scenario.
 
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does anyone think that any person other than FD actually dug a grave, if, indeed, a grave was dug, for JD? So he had to travel some where obscure with a shovel or a pick?
I also think it is odd that her clothing was separate from her body. Seems, IMO, if there was a grave, it should have been buried together. Why separate out items?
I completely agree. Why remove her clothing? There is a reason and IMO it relates to how he disposed of Jennifer's body. This particular evidence is why I have thought that Dulos did in fact dismember her in some fashion. That whole "I wasn't cleaning Jennifer" statement by MT would also seem to indicate Dulos did something to Jennifer's body at the Mountain Springs residence.

I keep thinking her body was not intact when Dulos left that residence that day, which is why I have thought that perhaps it did end up at MIRA. I know of 2 cases in one town in less than a year where this was the method of disposal used and in neither case has the body been found. Both defendants have been charged with murder; no body necessary given the other evidence in those (and this) case.
 
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Anti-Depressant withdrawals can be really awful for some people. The withdrawals have made some people experience psychosis. MOO
I agree with you, and if she was prescribed medication from a licensed physician for a medical condition, I believe the prison would be responsible for providing it to her.
However, illegal street drugs, not so much.
 
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