Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #36

[CTGrammy]

I'm with you 100% on this as a possible location. It seems that it might make sense for Fd to head north from the JFd house on Welles. Where it gets tricky is AW2 and 3 said that Fd in JFd Suburban headed west leaving Welles and the phone tracked back to Lapham and then there is the "gap time" before Fd is seen in the Tacoma heading north on the Merritt with what looks to be a bike in the bed of the Tacoma. The Suburban we know was left on Lapham with the running lights on.

What happened during the "gap time" from 10:25 am - 11:12 am in NC?

The AW3 says that JFd was zip tied at Welles and presumably in the far rear of the Suburban on the liner.

Did JFd leave Welles alive or dead? Was the 'gap time' in NC used to murder JFd in the Suburban? Or was the 'gap time' in NC used to transfer the body and all the clean up materials to the Tacoma?

I was the one that did the drive to Brown's way back when and I agree that for the NC area, its quite remote with little traffic.

Gray Hughes second video on the most recent AW3 has him going back to something he did originally in the Dulos case which I found quite helpful to visualise Fd options in NC for body disposal. He used Google Earth to draw a rough area that Fd could have driven during the "gap period" between leaving 69/71 Welles, being seen on Lapham Rd, and finally being seen heading north in EE Truck on the Merritt heading back to Farmington.

Here is the AW3 slightly modified version of the 'gap time' available to Fd in NC.

Interesting that AW3 makes mention of possible sight of bike wheel in the bed of the Tacoma as Fd is heading back to Farmington. AW3 makes no mention of a body being visible in the Tacoma truck bed. Could the JFd body have been in passenger seat of the Tacoma and that was what Fd and MT were cleaning up at 80 MS?

What is still unclear is whether the 'gap time' in NC was used for disposal of a body into a predug grave or whether the time spent was used to transfer the JFd body from the Suburban where it appears she was zip tied into the Tacoma or was it used to murder JFd in the Suburban where she was zip tied? I'm sure other possibilities exist too for this timeline.

Did Fd put a zip tied JFd into the passenger seat of the Tacoma or did he bury her someplace in/around NC?

The AW2 and 3 stated that the JFd phone traveled from Welles to Lapham and is less clear about the route of that the JFd Suburban traveled to get back to Lapham. IMO given the age of the Suburban its likely that OnStar gave LE the exact path that the vehicle traveled.

The Suburban is seen leaving Welles at 10:25 am and the time the Suburban reached Lapham is not disclosed in AW3. Fd is not seen again in the AW2&3 until 11:12 am on the Northbound Merritt when Fd is in the Tacoma. I'm curious what others think about the AW language as I'm not 100% certain that the Suburban did travel directly from Welles to Lapham.

What happened between 10:25 am and 11:12 am? I believe Lindy Urso (EE Atty) speculated in an interview early in this case, that the JFd body was buried in NC area. Was the 'gap time' in NC spent burying a body or moving a body between 2 vehicles so that the body could be buried in Farmington area?

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MOO

Could Fd have gone back to get his bike After transferring everything to EE's Red Truck? Could he have left the bike in the woods behind JFd's home at the end of Indian Waters?

Many on this thread have made note that the brush and foliage on Friday, May 24 was in full bloom, so to speak due to all the recent rain. This would make it difficult for Fd to have ridden or walked a bike through the woods.

It would be much easier to toss a bike in the bed of a truck than to try and force it into JFd's Suburban with her and all the clean up.

This would allow for the unknown time period after his arrival back at Waveney and before he was picked up on the Merritt CCTV at the New Canaan Rest Area at 11:12 am.

He could have traveled directly to Waveny at 10:25 am. Transferred Everything to EE's Red Truck. Take JFd's cell phone into Waveny Park for disposal. Drive to Indian Waters and toss the bike on top of the debris in the back of the truck. Then drive back to enter the Merritt and be picked up on the CCTV at 11:12 am.

This is what it looks like for the 47 minutes between 10:25 am and 11:12 am.

10:25 - Depart 69/71 Welles Lane

9 Minute Drive​

10:34 - Arrive Waveny Park

12 minutes - Jog 1.25 Mile Round Trip through Waveny to toss JFd's cell phone
7 minutes - Transfer Everything to EE Red Truck from JFd's Suburban (extra time needed to avoid possible witnesses driving by and seeing Fd move the body bag)​

10:53 - Depart Waveny Park

6 Minute Drive​

10:59 - Arrive at the end of Indian Waters

3 Minutes - Retrieve bicycle in the woods​

11:02 - Depart Indian Waters

10 Minute Drive​

11:12 - Captured on CCTV at Merritt Parkway NC Rest Area

IMO.

 

[LittleBitty]

I understand from what many of y’all have posted that KM has an alcohol problem. It must certainly could be a reason for a fall and a concussion and a damaged phone that had to be replaced. Despite the above I also find the timing of said fall/concussion + phone damaged so much it had to be replaced. It allegedly occurred on 5/25.

The date bares significance Bc it is the day after JD was reported missing by friends and family AND it is also the date that FD gave his own cell phone over to LE at NCPD headquarters. At precisely 2:47 pm on 5/25.

AW3 gives a very amazing description of how FD arrives 3 hours after he was expected to be there with his attorney at the time Pyetranker. When FD arrives in the lobby area he is met by officers Patton and Allegro. FD mentions Pyetranker is outside talking on the phone. He inquires about the search for JD. The officers believing he wants to help start moving him from the lobby to a more secure area where you have to go through metal detectors.

they ask if he has any weapons and he indicates he does not and starts patting his pockets muttering about his phone. At this point, Pyetranker enters the building and wants to know what’s going on and says there will be no interview with FD. Officers are surprised by this. Pyetranker hands Dulos the phone he was using and Allegro asks FD if it is his phone and he nods yes. Allegro asks if he can see it. FD hands him the phone.

Pyetranker wants to know what’s going on. Allegro immediately puts FD phone in Airplane mode (which keeps phone from being deleted remotely). Allegro says that he is confiscating the phone as it is believed the phone will have important information on JD whereabouts. Pyetranker protests and Allegro says they will get a SSW to search the phone and would not search said phone until the SSW was issued. The SSW was issued at 8:50 pm that evening.

the cameras in the lobby catch FD being visibly upset after Allegro takes possession of the phone which was freely offered by FD just a second or so earlier.

I mentioned all the above because I’d bet my bottom dollar that FD called KM right after and told him that LE now has his phone. KM may or may not have been drinking at this point but somehow KM falls and has a concussion while also managing to destroy his own phone as well...

Can I also say well done by Allegro! Well done putting phone immediately in airplane mode and well done in getting the phone before FD could realize he shouldn’t have freely handed it over. Love it!!!!

 

[Alkali13]

True, perhaps MT wasn't "cleaning Jennifer" at that point in time BUT what if at 80 MS she had a very active role in what might have been done to dismember or dispose of her body (if that was where the body ended up after leaving NC)?

What if Fd simply couldn't undertake to break down the body of JFd by himself? Do I think MT would have stepped in and given assistance? Absolutely. I truly believe the hate that MT and Fd had towards JFd propelled them to do things in this crime that were horrific as well as unimaginable and I also believe that neither one lost a moments sleep over the entire experience at all (even though they both IMO looked a bit strung out in their AW1 mug shots in June!).

IMO there remain large blocks of time in both the Fd and MT personal timelines that I'm not sure AW3 gives us much more visibility into where the body of JFd ended up or what might have been done to it (AW3 refers to the possible outline of a bike in the Tacoma bed but doesn't mention a body in bed of the truck or in the passenger seat of the Tacoma!). Beyond searching Waveny Park in NC, the Stubridge property and the former Farber house in Pound Ridge, we aren't yet aware of what other locations were searched in/around NC. It seems tased on MSM that much more time was spent doing physical searches in/around Farmington and the 17 long days spent at MIRA. Will be curious to see the search warrants once they are unsealed.

AW3 does explain that there was a period of time while on Albany Avenue (think its 7 min or so) where the activity was not captured on Hartford CCTV. Was this the timeframe for Fd/MT disposal of JFd remains? I do wonder whether private CCTV in the neighbourhood or possibly the findings from MIRA will tell the story here about those missing minutes on Albany and what might have happened.

As others have pointed out, the searching for JFd in this case has been strange to watch as it covered a large territory (from NC to Hartford to Pound Ridge), covered woods, reservoirs, lakes and fields. But, still the body of JFd hasn't been found. Does this case need the body? I don't believe so as the circumstantial case is compelling and looks strong. But for the sake of the children and family I do hope that some kind of closure on this issue can eventually be achieved.

MOO

I find it hard to believe that JFd would have been disposed of during the Albany Ave dump only because I am familiar with that area. There would've been a lot of people out and walking around at ~730pm on that night. I know because I went back and checked my photos and happen to have one from that night at that time (light and temperature), plus I'm familiar with that area as I used to drop a coworker off in that neighborhood regularly. I doubt they strayed too far only to come back to finish the dump before heading to Starbucks.

I too cannot wait to see the search warrants. I'm wondering if they have an idea of a vast area JFd likely is, but lack the resources to comb the area as would likely be needed to locate her.

 

[SkylarSid]

I'm thinking that if FD brought her intact to 80MS where he did the cleanup, and where he spent quite a bit of time, that he would have needed 2 ponchos - one for him and one for MT - if he were going to dismember.

A shuddering possibility, but one that needs to be considered. JMO

 

[afitzy]

I understand from what many of y’all have posted that KM has an alcohol problem. It must certainly could be a reason for a fall and a concussion and a damaged phone that had to be replaced. Despite the above I also find the timing of said fall/concussion + phone damaged so much it had to be replaced. It allegedly occurred on 5/25.

The date bares significance Bc it is the day after JD was reported missing by friends and family AND it is also the date that FD gave his own cell phone over to LE at NCPD headquarters. At precisely 2:47 pm on 5/25.

AW3 gives a very amazing description of how FD arrives 3 hours after he was expected to be there with his attorney at the time Pyetranker. When FD arrives in the lobby area he is met by officers Patton and Allegro. FD mentions Pyetranker is outside talking on the phone. He inquires about the search for JD. The officers believing he wants to help start moving him from the lobby to a more secure area where you have to go through metal detectors.

they ask if he has any weapons and he indicates he does not and starts patting his pockets muttering about his phone. At this point, Pyetranker enters the building and wants to know what’s going on and says there will be no interview with FD. Officers are surprised by this. Pyetranker hands Dulos the phone he was using and Allegro asks FD if it is his phone and he nods yes. Allegro asks if he can see it. FD hands him the phone.

Pyetranker wants to know what’s going on. Allegro immediately puts FD phone in Airplane mode (which keeps phone from being deleted remotely). Allegro says that he is confiscating the phone as it is believed the phone will have important information on JD whereabouts. Pyetranker protests and Allegro says they will get a SSW to search the phone and would not search said phone until the SSW was issued. The SSW was issued at 8:50 pm that evening.

the cameras in the lobby catch FD being visibly upset after Allegro takes possession of the phone which was freely offered by FD just a second or so earlier.

I mentioned all the above because I’d bet my bottom dollar that FD called KM right after and told him that LE now has his phone. KM may or may not have been drinking at this point but somehow KM falls and has a concussion while also managing to destroy his own phone as well...

Can I also say well done by Allegro! Well done putting phone immediately in airplane mode and well done in getting the phone before FD could realize he shouldn’t have freely handed it over. Love it!!!!

Yes, Officer Allegro is a hero for his quick thinking here with the phone.

On the KM phone being damaged during his alleged 'fall', wouldn't his call with Fd show up on both his call log and that of Fd? Anymore I'm not sure damaged phones mean much as with good techs (we have FBI involved on this case) then it seems like some data can still be recovered and sometimes even for phones that are impacted by water or chemicals.

I agree the timing of the KM 'fall' and 'concussion' seems simply too coincidental to be believable so if it didn't relate to a drunken black out experience then what else could it have been?

Is it possible that KM was somehow present when Fd needed to subdue JFd and KM was 'injured' in the process? We saw odd black fingernails on Fd early in this process and possible bruising on his hands too. Was KM there with Fd and possibly MT too on 4/24, 4/25, 4/26? Was JFd killed immediately or was she alive for any period after leaving 69/71 Welles?

MOO

 

[afitzy]

I find it hard to believe that JFd would have been disposed of during the Albany Ave dump only because I am familiar with that area. There would've been a lot of people out and walking around at ~730pm on that night. I know because I went back and checked my photos and happen to have one from that night at that time (light and temperature), plus I'm familiar with that area as I used to drop a coworker off in that neighborhood regularly. I doubt they strayed too far only to come back to finish the dump before heading to Starbucks.

I too cannot wait to see the search warrants. I'm wondering if they have an idea of a vast area JFd likely is, but lack the resources to comb the area as would likely be needed to locate her.

Agree that the likelihood of Albany Ave disposal is low. But IMO there had to be some reason for the extra information added in AW3 about the non camera view section of the Albany trip by Fd and MT. Why would that time period of not being on Hartford Cameras be included in AW3 and is it or isn't it significant? IDK.

 

[Tink56]

I understand from what many of y’all have posted that KM has an alcohol problem. It must certainly could be a reason for a fall and a concussion and a damaged phone that had to be replaced. Despite the above I also find the timing of said fall/concussion + phone damaged so much it had to be replaced. It allegedly occurred on 5/25.

The date bares significance Bc it is the day after JD was reported missing by friends and family AND it is also the date that FD gave his own cell phone over to LE at NCPD headquarters. At precisely 2:47 pm on 5/25.

AW3 gives a very amazing description of how FD arrives 3 hours after he was expected to be there with his attorney at the time Pyetranker. When FD arrives in the lobby area he is met by officers Patton and Allegro. FD mentions Pyetranker is outside talking on the phone. He inquires about the search for JD. The officers believing he wants to help start moving him from the lobby to a more secure area where you have to go through metal detectors.

they ask if he has any weapons and he indicates he does not and starts patting his pockets muttering about his phone. At this point, Pyetranker enters the building and wants to know what’s going on and says there will be no interview with FD. Officers are surprised by this. Pyetranker hands Dulos the phone he was using and Allegro asks FD if it is his phone and he nods yes. Allegro asks if he can see it. FD hands him the phone. MOO...IMO

@Afitzy...just saw your post above....jinx as you say......slow typist here!

Pyetranker wants to know what’s going on. Allegro immediately puts FD phone in Airplane mode (which keeps phone from being deleted remotely). Allegro says that he is confiscating the phone as it is believed the phone will have important information on JD whereabouts. Pyetranker protests and Allegro says they will get a SSW to search the phone and would not search said phone until the SSW was issued. The SSW was issued at 8:50 pm that evening.

the cameras in the lobby catch FD being visibly upset after Allegro takes possession of the phone which was freely offered by FD just a second or so earlier.

I mentioned all the above because I’d bet my bottom dollar that FD called KM right after and told him that LE now has his phone. KM may or may not have been drinking at this point but somehow KM falls and has a concussion while also managing to destroy his own phone as well...

Can I also say well done by Allegro! Well done putting phone immediately in airplane mode and well done in getting the phone before FD could realize he shouldn’t have freely handed it over. Love it!!!!

ABSOLUTELY AGREE about Allegro having the presence of mind and the technological know-how to slip that phone into airplane setting!!

FD is so "sweet" in the televised interview when he's asked if he's been helping LE. He immediately responds, while smiling, that he gave them his phone. He wanted them to have it. (To show he had been at 4JX on the morning of the 24th...HA!) Little did he realize LE would use that phone to reinforce the Albany Avenue dumpster date. I think it has been stated in past warrants LE already had cell phone data from the carrier linking him to to the area.

Wonder what else they found on the phone? Probably not much of anything, but I hope financials or text messages were available that could be helpful. At one time, FD and Fore group had a "bunch" of cell phones listed in FD's name. It would be interesting what LE has done with those or if they were still being used as the work force had greatly reduced in number.

I, too, think that KM's fall and phone destruction was too convenient. Hope LE followed up with a doctor about the fall and concussion. I don't know about memory loss with most concussions, but both my children had sports concussions (another whole topic), but they did not suffer memory loss. Alcohol, however, could cause blackouts, right?

Moo...IMO

@afitzy...just saw your post above..jinx as you say...slow typist here!

 

[Ruminations]

I kind of feel like poor Jennifer doesn't have a proper advocate as her mother has to be overwhelmed with the task of protecting the children, and is 85 years old. Not to negate the efforts of her family, as I can only imaging what they must be living through.

I just see good old boy Fotis, laughing and smiling with law enforcement and my blood boils. This crime is so foul and yet he is out on bail. For shame! This man should never have had the option of bail, and I do think money and the fact that he is attractive, white etc is why he is out.

Well, GF is not law enforcement. She has an child development/ education background? I wouldn’t knock it if she were, for instance, a star prosecutor, but it wouldn’t be especially applicable to her now. Luckily for the children, she has a background that gives her a head start to creating the best home possible for them. She doesn’t need to develop the prosecution’s case.

Racist and misogynistic institutions are at play, but right now I don’t blame her one bit for letting us do the work to hold our communities to high standards right now.

She has to work on building safety, love and routine into her grandchildren’s lives so they have the resources to process their unthinkable realities, recognize their resilience, appreciate what they do have, and make choices to build satisfying lives as youths and adults.

 

[Outforjustice]

I haven't heard of her selling knives personally.

Propensity for knives and handling dead animal skins =\= handling your BF's dead STBX wife's body IMO. Could she have done it? Absolutely! Do I personally think so? No.

I think her exclamation of, "I wasn't cleaning Jennifer," was actually truthful. I don't think she meant to phrase it that bluntly, but I think she was telling the truth that she was cleaning other incriminating evidence while someone ELSE took care of JD.

MOO.

Yes.. that was such a Freudian slip of the tongue by MT wasn’t it ?
Saying she “wasn’t cleaning Jennifer “.

Slip of the tongue = “ When a person misspeaks usually under stress or nervousness.

Freudian Slip = Slip of the tongue that seems to inadvertently Reveal an unconscious thought that a person did not mean to say their secret is revealed or uncovered .

MT slip revealed that she was with Jennifer’s body.

moo

 

[Alkali13]

AW3 provides many details of KM movements on 5/23 and 5/24 based off his phone pings page 18. on the afternoon of 5/23 he met with FD when FD left his house to get more meat

Thank you! This isn't as detailed as I'd like, but it does show he was definitely at 4JC that morning.

I'm VERY curious about the 5/23 pings as well as where KM may have been the afternoon/evening of 5/24.

 

[aaron44]

Could Fd have gone back to get his bike After transferring everything to EE's Red Truck? Could he have left the bike in the woods behind JFd's home at the end of Indian Waters?

Many on this thread have made note that the brush and foliage on Friday, May 24 was in full bloom, so to speak due to all the recent rain. This would make it difficult for Fd to have ridden or walked a bike through the woods.

It would be much easier to toss a bike in the bed of a truck than to try and force it into JFd's Suburban with her and all the clean up.

This would allow for the unknown time period after his arrival back at Waveney and before he was picked up on the Merritt CCTV at the New Canaan Rest Area at 11:12 am.

He could have traveled directly to Waveny at 10:25 am. Transferred Everything to EE's Red Truck. Take JFd's cell phone into Waveny Park for disposal. Drive to Indian Waters and toss the bike on top of the debris in the back of the truck. Then drive back to enter the Merritt and be picked up on the CCTV at 11:12 am.

This is what it looks like for the 47 minutes between 10:25 am and 11:12 am.

10:25 - Depart 69/71 Welles Lane

9 Minute Drive​

10:34 - Arrive Waveny Park

12 minutes - Jog 1.25 Mile Round Trip through Waveny to toss JFd's cell phone
7 minutes - Transfer Everything to EE Red Truck from JFd's Suburban (extra time needed to avoid possible witnesses driving by and seeing Fd move the body bag)​

10:53 - Depart Waveny Park

6 Minute Drive​

10:59 - Arrive at the end of Indian Waters

3 Minutes - Retrieve bicycle in the woods​

11:02 - Depart Indian Waters

10 Minute Drive​

11:12 - Captured on CCTV at Merritt Parkway NC Rest Area

IMO.

It would be interesting to know where on Weed St the video was taken of the bike. The AW3 stated that the bike was heading Northwest on Weed St which would be towards Welles.

 

[LittleBitty]

All I could get from interview 2 with LE for KM in his AW is that the fall he had down the stairs caused a concussion and caused his phone to be so damaged that it had to be replaced. The fall on 5/25.

I also understand from AW3 of FD that the forensic examination of FD phone which occurred after 8:50pm on 5/25 when the SSW was issued yielded an examination on 5/26 which showed FD to be in the Albany Avenue area on 5/24 in the evening hours.
On 5/27 LE begins canvassing the area which I took to mean looking for cameras etc. witnesses etc...
On 5/30 LE gets a look at C4 cameras that cover the area of the trashbin odyssey of stupidity.
From there it is learned that FD Raptor with individuals resembling MT and FD enters C4 camera range on Albany Avenue at approximately 7:31 pm on 5/24. It shows the Raptor traveling eastbound on Albany Avenue. Several trashbags are seen in Raptor bed of truck.
7:32-7:39 pm Raptor turns SB on Milford street and disappears from C4 camera view.
7:39 pm Raptor reappears on C4 camera and Raptor truck bed is seen now largely being empty of the many trashbags viewed seven minutes prior.
7:40 pm—-now only one bag seen in bed and it is seen being deposited on Green and Albany at 7:41 and IMO is one of only two recovered by LE.
7:47 pm outgoing phone call from FD to KM
7:51 pm Raptor continues down Albany and out of C4 camera view.
8:10 pm Raptor seen on camera (neighbor surveillance) at 4Jax entering driveway and stops and a man exits and checks the mail wearing same clothing and having same appearance as man on C4 camera on Albany Avenue.

we all know the content of the bags recovered from the AW3. I’d have to see the video pics of the Raptor to see what they are talking about when they say they saw SEVERAL trashbags. Think about all the items the found in just the two it appears they recovered. Several. Uggghhhh dismemberment is still a very very real possibility.

 

[Boxer]

Dbm

I thought he was lying in wait for her.
He took the bike in her truck from the house after he murdered her in cold blood.
He intended to leave the car at Waveny Park, to throw LE off with a missing person case.
He rode the bike back to the house once after ditching the car.
He did not use it before the murder but after.

I thought he he used the bike to get from Lapham Rd. to the house on Welles.
Then there would be no unknown car on the street. I think Jd would notice an unkown car, and probably knew the Tacoma.

 

[Alathea]

True, perhaps MT wasn't "cleaning Jennifer" at that point in time BUT what if at 80 MS she had a very active role in what might have been done to dismember or dispose of her body (if that was where the body ended up after leaving NC)?

What if Fd simply couldn't undertake to break down the body of JFd by himself? Do I think MT would have stepped in and given assistance? Absolutely. I truly believe the hate that MT and Fd had towards JFd propelled them to do things in this crime that were horrific as well as unimaginable and I also believe that neither one lost a moments sleep over the entire experience at all (even though they both IMO looked a bit strung out in their AW1 mug shots in June!).

IMO there remain large blocks of time in both the Fd and MT personal timelines that I'm not sure AW3 gives us much more visibility into where the body of JFd ended up or what might have been done to it (AW3 refers to the possible outline of a bike in the Tacoma bed but doesn't mention a body in bed of the truck or in the passenger seat of the Tacoma!). Beyond searching Waveny Park in NC, the Stubridge property and the former Farber house in Pound Ridge, we aren't yet aware of what other locations were searched in/around NC. It seems tased on MSM that much more time was spent doing physical searches in/around Farmington and the 17 long days spent at MIRA. Will be curious to see the search warrants once they are unsealed.

AW3 does explain that there was a period of time while on Albany Avenue (think its 7 min or so) where the activity was not captured on Hartford CCTV. Was this the timeframe for Fd/MT disposal of JFd remains? I do wonder whether private CCTV in the neighbourhood or possibly the findings from MIRA will tell the story here about those missing minutes on Albany and what might have happened.

As others have pointed out, the searching for JFd in this case has been strange to watch as it covered a large territory (from NC to Hartford to Pound Ridge), covered woods, reservoirs, lakes and fields. But, still the body of JFd hasn't been found. Does this case need the body? I don't believe so as the circumstantial case is compelling and looks strong. But for the sake of the children and family I do hope that some kind of closure on this issue can eventually be achieved.

MOO

True, perhaps MT wasn't "cleaning Jennifer" at that point in time BUT what if at 80 MS she had a very active role in what might have been done to dismember or dispose of her body (if that was where the body ended up after leaving NC)?
Highly likely, IMO.

What if Fd simply couldn't undertake to break down the body of JFd by himself? Do I think MT would have stepped in and given assistance?
Oh yeah she would have, gleefully, IMO. "Where's my favorite knife?"

But, still the body of JFd hasn't been found. Does this case need the body?
No, not from what I'm reading and hearing from experts, and not, in my opinion, after reading that last AW!

 

[Tink56]

Well, GF is not law enforcement. She has an child development/ education background? I wouldn’t knock it if she were, for instance, a star prosecutor, but it wouldn’t be especially applicable to her now. Luckily for the children, she has a background that gives her a head start to creating the best home possible for them. She doesn’t need to develop the prosecution’s case.

Racist and misogynistic institutions are at play, but right now I don’t blame her one bit for letting us do the work to hold our communities to high standards right now.

She has to work on building safety, love and routine into her grandchildren’s lives so they have the resources to process their unthinkable realities, recognize their resilience, appreciate what they do have, and make choices to build satisfying lives as youths and adults.

This is eloquently stated and heartfelt, IMO. Your comments about the foundation GF is building with and for the children will be invaluable as they continue to deal with lifelong repercussions of their father's heinous decisions and acts.

My best thoughts to all of those close to the family who assist her in reinforcing their mother's love and values. Kudos...to the communities who continue to search for justice for Jennifer and peace for the family...including the WS community.

 

[sds71]

Proposed draft of domestic violence bill that will be formally presented to the CT Gen. Assembly’s Judiciary Committee.

 

[SkylarSid]

I don’t think anything like that happened here. FD didn’t have a great deal of time, and it’s completely unnecessary to dismember someone if you are going to bury them (which is what I think he did).

That aside, it also would run the risk of leaving quite a bit of physical evidence behind. There’s a reasonable chance that such evidence would have been found.

With the benefit of more time, I also think FD would have come up with something slightly better than dumping evidence via that trash disposal escapade.

He was rushing.

Rushing and not thinking clearly in his own euphoric delusional idea of paving a way to a new existence based on a demised golden goose that belonged to him and him alone. He certainly could have carted her away though and stashed her somewhere for a bit of time to do whatever with later. He had an array of properties to do that on. Also, his prior experience in the tannery business lays open a myriad of other possibilities that are too gruesome for me to entertain.


Sometimes I wish they would bring the rack back or make administering truth serum legal. Why not? It would certainly save taxpayers a lot of money! JMO, JMO, JMO.

 

[sleuth66]

Could Fd have gone back to get his bike After transferring everything to EE's Red Truck? Could he have left the bike in the woods behind JFd's home at the end of Indian Waters?

Many on this thread have made note that the brush and foliage on Friday, May 24 was in full bloom, so to speak due to all the recent rain. This would make it difficult for Fd to have ridden or walked a bike through the woods.

It would be much easier to toss a bike in the bed of a truck than to try and force it into JFd's Suburban with her and all the clean up.

This would allow for the unknown time period after his arrival back at Waveney and before he was picked up on the Merritt CCTV at the New Canaan Rest Area at 11:12 am.

He could have traveled directly to Waveny at 10:25 am. Transferred Everything to EE's Red Truck. Take JFd's cell phone into Waveny Park for disposal. Drive to Indian Waters and toss the bike on top of the debris in the back of the truck. Then drive back to enter the Merritt and be picked up on the CCTV at 11:12 am.

This is what it looks like for the 47 minutes between 10:25 am and 11:12 am.

10:25 - Depart 69/71 Welles Lane

9 Minute Drive​

10:34 - Arrive Waveny Park

12 minutes - Jog 1.25 Mile Round Trip through Waveny to toss JFd's cell phone
7 minutes - Transfer Everything to EE Red Truck from JFd's Suburban (extra time needed to avoid possible witnesses driving by and seeing Fd move the body bag)​

10:53 - Depart Waveny Park

6 Minute Drive​

10:59 - Arrive at the end of Indian Waters

3 Minutes - Retrieve bicycle in the woods​

11:02 - Depart Indian Waters

10 Minute Drive​

11:12 - Captured on CCTV at Merritt Parkway NC Rest Area

IMO.

very good thinking!

It will be interesting to see where on Weed St the bike video was taken. I lean towards him using Indian Waters, but have struggled with whether he’d swing by to pick up his bike in the Suburban on the way back to Waveny. The turnaround time was very short for JD drop off at NCCS and he wouldn’t want to risk being seen by the kids on Welles if they were running late going out, or by JD on her way back if she was a little early.
The empty lot at Welles/Frogtown is a possibility too but it’s harder to cut through so many yards and the ridge back there.
But swinging back with the Tacoma after the Waveny transfer would be even better. He would need a direct route of the Suburban to Waveny to keep up with his “abducted while running” plan, and as you say far easier not have the bike in the suburban with a body, bags, etc.

I’m not sure that he’d do a jog around Waveny at 10:30am, I think he did absolutely not want to be seen anywhere in NC that day as his ruse was he was in Farmington with his phone- the timeline still works beautifully though because if we are thinking he had to transfer the body, the bags, and the Suburban mat/bed liner, plus a couple of bloody pillows, he would really need some time and to be careful of passing vehicles. And he would have to do something with her phone (although they used electronics dogs at MIRA so LE might have found it there, too). The areas that they searched at Waveny with the electronics dogs were close to the Lapham side (at least the pics in the media). (The electronics dogs are labs while cadaver dogs are Shepherds and Malinois). And so he could have just hurled the phone into the woods, or he could have ventured into the woods a bit and put it somewhere not too far from the car. It would make sense with his plan for an abduction if her phone wasn’t too far from the car with its light on and in R., making it seem like she was dragged out of the car suddenly, etc.

This is a good alternative to account for the time between Welles and NC rest stop time points, and gets the bike in the truck easily.

 

[Tink56]

All I could get from interview 2 with LE for KM in his AW is that the fall he had down the stairs caused a concussion and caused his phone to be so damaged that it had to be replaced. The fall on 5/25.

I also understand from AW3 of FD that the forensic examination of FD phone which occurred after 8:50pm on 5/25 when the SSW was issued yielded an examination on 5/26 which showed FD to be in the Albany Avenue area on 5/24 in the evening hours.
On 5/27 LE begins canvassing the area which I took to mean looking for cameras etc. witnesses etc...
On 5/30 LE gets a look at C4 cameras that cover the area of the trashbin odyssey of stupidity.
From there it is learned that FD Raptor with individuals resembling MT and FD enters C4 camera range on Albany Avenue at approximately 7:31 pm on 5/24. It shows the Raptor traveling eastbound on Albany Avenue. Several trashbags are seen in Raptor bed of truck.
7:32-7:39 pm Raptor turns SB on Milford street and disappears from C4 camera view.
7:39 pm Raptor reappears on C4 camera and Raptor truck bed is seen now largely being empty of the many trashbags viewed seven minutes prior.
7:40 pm—-now only one bag seen in bed and it is seen being deposited on Green and Albany at 7:41 and IMO is one of only two recovered by LE.
7:47 pm outgoing phone call from FD to KM
7:51 pm Raptor continues down Albany and out of C4 camera view.
8:10 pm Raptor seen on camera (neighbor surveillance) at 4Jax entering driveway and stops and a man exits and checks the mail wearing same clothing and having same appearance as man on C4 camera on Albany Avenue.

we all know the content of the bags recovered from the AW3. I’d have to see the video pics of the Raptor to see what they are talking about when they say they saw SEVERAL trashbags. Think about all the items the found in just the two it appears they recovered. Several. Uggghhhh dismemberment is still a very very real possibility.

Thanks for putting this together LittleBitty....Interesting. I was curious and looked at the Google maps for Mildford Street. It's a turn with a MacDonald's on the corner and a one-way street that dead ends in about one very long block of residential dwellings....going right would be a Salvation Army building and he could have turned up Adams which would connect with Albany just about at the Jamaican Bakery. Or, he could have turned left on Homestead and turned back toward Albany almost anywhere along the street as the last bag was thrown away 13 blocks from Milford. Seems a lot of bags were thrown into residential trash.

I'm not map clever, but here's the LONG Google link to the Albany Avenue map...
خرائط ‪Google‬‏‏

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Yes.. that was such a Freudian slip of the tongue by MT wasn’t it ?
Saying she “wasn’t cleaning Jennifer “.

Slip of the tongue = “ When a person misspeaks usually under stress or nervousness.

Freudian Slip = Slip of the tongue that seems to inadvertently Reveal an unconscious thought that a person did not mean to say their secret is revealed or uncovered .

MT slip revealed that she was with Jennifer’s body.

moo

GRAPHIC

In the Great Lakes area, when we clean fish, we mean we cut off their heads, gut them, scale them and maybe filet them. Not necessarily in that order.
Now, when we hunt, I have only heard the term “dress” an animal. I love to fish. So I have cleaned fish. Hunting is not for me.
So, what term do hunters use?
Especially, if different parts of our country use different terms?
MT is not a native speaker, yet may have grown up hearing terms relating to hunting or fishing from Americans or other nationalities. Where was her horse rehab program? Seems to me in Michigan. Then psychology degree, too. Can’t remember all of her locations and years related to locations.
To me? I wouldn’t be “cleaning” Jennifer. If I took part in dismembering her body, and trying to deny involvement, I would have used a different term. But do hunters “clean” an animal? Was MT inadvertently telling us she wasn’t part of the dismemberment work? But mopping up blood? And someone else had been “cleaning” Jennifer?
It’s a little on the disorganized thought side. Been a long day, sorry. But I hope I’m making myself understood.
Maybe South American native speakers could shed light on the wording MT used.
If this was about any other case, it would read like I’m grasping at straws. But I think translating misused words are clues to the truth. In addition to Freudian slips.