Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #36

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This reminds me:
DEAR ATTORNEYS:

With NP's bluster the other day to the news, he was disparaging the forensic expert who said there was enough blood loss to cause death.

NP added that he was going to have a talk with said forensic expert.

Since that forensic expert will likely be a witness, is it legal for NP to "have a chat" with him before the trial?
Knowing a 'bit' about Dr Gill and also how disparaging the public remarks of Atty. P. were the other day about Dr. Gill, I'd speculate Dr Gill will not return the call or will simply say 'interview me on the stand at trial'.

The Dr. Gill POV on COD and MOD will no doubt be hotly discussed at trial and I believe that now Dr. Gill simply has to state his opinion for purposes of the AW but I don't believe he is under any obligation now to provided the specifics as to how he reached his POV for the Defense. Defense might actually have to do some work on this issue and spend some money!

The defense will no doubt engage their own experts to undertake the process of what Dr Gill did and then we will be 'treated' to the classic 'duel of the experts' IMO. Given also the forensic heavy nature of this case, IMO this 'dueling' will happen on the forensic work as well.

MOO
 
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I heard some interesting speculation from a foreign news source (sorry no video as I was watching live) this am as to what MT might have been doing in the bathrooms and just wanted to toss it in here for comment as I thought it was interesting.

The person speculating stated that they believed what the MT 'job' was at 80MS at the time was to simply go to all of the bathrooms and showers/baths/toilets and simply keep the water flowing through the entire plumbing system to flush out anything that Fd put down the drain/s as part of his clean up or possibly dismemberment process. MT can't seem to tell the truth about much even with 3 interviews with LE, so the cleaning story is something that is a bit hard to believe. But having MT simply walk around on turn on the taps in all the baths is something I can see Fd tasking her to do.

The house has 5.5 baths and that is a lot of plumbing and so to try and clear out the system would have taken some time. It seems oddly futile though as a septic system even with a field would have multiple tanks most likely for a house that size IMO. We saw LE going into the system outside of 80MS but we don't yet know what they found or what was found when the drains were cleaned and analysed.

House details to see the baths.
80 Mountain Spring Rd, Farmington, CT 06032 - realtor.com®

MOO
How about taking a look at the water usage for that period of time? Was it a bit more than previously (which would be weird in a vacant house)? Unfortunately, water consumption is generally monitored/billed on a bimonthly or quarterly basis, but this great thought would add to all the "circumstantials."
 
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I heard some interesting speculation from a foreign news source (sorry no video as I was watching live) this am as to what MT might have been doing in the bathrooms and just wanted to toss it in here for comment as I thought it was interesting.

The person speculating stated that they believed what the MT 'job' was at 80MS at the time was to simply go to all of the bathrooms and showers/baths/toilets and simply keep the water flowing through the entire plumbing system to flush out anything that Fd put down the drain/s as part of his clean up or possibly dismemberment process. MT can't seem to tell the truth about much even with 3 interviews with LE, so the cleaning story is something that is a bit hard to believe. But having MT simply walk around on turn on the taps in all the baths is something I can see Fd tasking her to do.

The house has 5.5 baths and that is a lot of plumbing and so to try and clear out the system would have taken some time. It seems oddly futile though as a septic system even with a field would have multiple tanks most likely for a house that size IMO. We saw LE going into the system outside of 80MS but we don't yet know what they found or what was found when the drains were cleaned and analysed.

House details to see the baths.
80 Mountain Spring Rd, Farmington, CT 06032 - realtor.com®

MOO
Good information and we did, indeed, see a lot of time and energy put into the septic and drainage system at that home. And remember the person (LE ?) who told a reporter they were
spending a lot of time on the drains.
Wouldn't surprise me if CSP have blood or dna
evidence of stuff being down in those drains.
This may come out later.
Would really love to know if they 'know' when and how her body was disposed of.
Do we know if KM's vehicle(s) were searched?
And how about his gps ?
 
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fd motion to dismiss
If anyone would care to explain this "infamous" nonsense.

And Atty P team concerned about a "drain on judicial resources"? AS IF!:mad:
 
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/please don’t flame me; this is not “pro-Fotis”/

Of course Fotis should provide honest answers about his financials, but not to show he has money. Money has nothing to do with being an appropriate parent or guardian.

Putting oneself ahead of children in negotiating a separation agreement- which Fotis did in many ways as widely discussed here- is not what an appropriate parent or guardian does. One of the ways Fotis does this is by not honestly discussing his financial situation. He claims poverty while living lavishly and paying an expensive team of sleezoid defenders who also have not even given lip service about concern for the children.

However, if it were true that Fotis had no money, that in itself would have nothing to do with his appropriateness has a parent.

You’re right; and it normally doesn’t, and shouldn’t. The fact that he submitted to the Family Court that he essentially has no money at all isn’t the problem. The problem is that, for family court he has no assets, while, for the bank loan applications and legal teams, he’s loaded. He isn’t a bad father because he’s poor. He’s a bad father because he’s a suspected murder, and a known liar, who required that his kids lied for him.
 
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Random Saturday afternoon thought:

It's been a while since I lived close enough to a Stop & Shop to visit regularly (been a Big Y gal for a little while now).

How new are the spill robots? Are they new and novel enough that taking a photo with one at the end of May wouldn't have been odd?

They are new enough, but I don’t know if novel is the right word, and certainly have seen nobody taking a selfie with one. Everybody (including the cashiers) thinks they’re creepy, useless, and generally in the way. I don’t doubt that the selfie was for the purpose of alibi production.
 
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How about taking a look at the water usage for that period of time? Was it a bit more than previously (which would be weird in a vacant house)? Unfortunately, water consumption is generally monitored/billed on a bimonthly or quarterly basis, but this great thought would add to all the "circumstantials."

Septic system; no record of water usage, since I’m sure they also have a well
 
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I also want to say Thank Goodness for Onstar. And other surveillance and cell phone data in this case.

If NP/FD thought to blame the EE for JD's disappearance (now kidnapping and murder) they can dump that thought. Reading through the AWs again...I missed something important. Though y'all probably saw it.

It would have been impossible for the EE NC at the same time FD was peddling his vintage bike to JD's home. And when FD ambushed and kidnapped/murdered JD.
Impossible because that is when the Raptor is starting up from EE's residence in Simsbury at 7:30 am. Which is the exact same time a vintage bike and a man wearing a hoodie is caught on camera on Weed Street in New Canaan.

The earliest the EE could have arrived in New Canaan was approximately 1 hour and 30 minutes later. That doesn't include rush hour traffic. So somewhere between 9-10 am EE arrives in NC from Simsbury. FD had told EE on 5/23 not to come to the Fore Group office on the morning of 5/24 because FD was meeting with his divorce lawyer. Even though EE didn't routinely do so. FD told him to go straight to the Sturbridge property. As FD and EE had exchanged vehicles on 5/23 with the Red Toyota Tacoma being left at 80 Mountain Spring Road. Which we know left for NC at 5:35 am on 5/24.

And LE has record of EE headed straight to the Sturbridge Fore Group Property when he arrives (footage/surveillance/OnStar) whereas FD was basically finishing up at the crime scene at JD's Welles address and leaving in JD's Suburban at 10:25am.

I love how technology can counter all of FD's "clever and careful" planning.

And put a spotlight on FD's sheer arrogance and stupidity.

Yes, FD is not smart nor as clever as some would make him out to be.

Dumber than a box of rocks? Although that is an insult to rocks really. Dumber than dirt? Maybe an insult to dirt.

If he thought to throw off the cops the sheer amount of surveillance and camera footage plus other technology like OnStar and cell phones (getting a burner phone or even having a second phone doesn't do squat)certainly destroyed his plans.

This isn't the 1980s or even early 2000s. Did FD honestly think no one would report JD missing within a decent time frame? The more I think about it, FD obviously had no clue about the NY plans. He just thought JD would go about her typical routine even though that morning was different in some ways.

He must have thought LA (nanny) would just bring the kids to the visitation on 5/25 and be like "Yeah. JD hasn't called or anything. Weird huh?" Wow. The unmitigated audacity and stupidity of FoDu is staggering to me. Gosh only knows what else LE has. Once they put it all together in a timeline that's cohesive it will be damning.
 
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Septic system; no record of water usage, since I’m sure they also have a well
I wonder about the well since the home is "in"
the village of Farmington and I believe there is
a Farmington Water Dept. which is to say my guess is that home is on "city water" w/ a meter.
will check.
 
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Don't forget. Fd Also GAVE Allegro the 4 digit Code to Unlock the phone. What an Idiot!

I realize this was not your point, but I just had to make note.

IMO.
Haha! I wonder if the security code for the security system at 4Jx and 80MS is 0000!

Gotta love stupid criminals!

MOO
 
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@gitana1, curious what you meant here about if there had been consequences earlier in the FC case that Fd might have just killed JFd sooner.

I keep trying to puzzle out the Fd behaviour in FC and so far as I can tell virtually everything he did both in FC and Civil Court involved a delay to the process. Are you saying that the intent to murder JFd was longstanding and so if the FC case had ended sooner that the death of JFd was sadly inevitable?

We don't know why this extra time was so very important for whatever reason to Fd, but it seems to have been very impt. We've speculated on reasons why the extra time might have been important to Fd and how it might have been tied into motive possibly too. I don't think we have a clear cut answer now though to answer the question.

MOO

IF it was Inevitable that Fd would murder JFd, then why did he wait 2 years?

IMO, IF it was Inevitable, he would have done it Immediately after she left.

AW3 Absolutely spells out Fd's Financial Spiral and we are led to believe that the Murder was due to this Financial Spiral and the Growing of a Tremendous Amount of Debt. In the Millions.

Fd was Financially Cornered with No Way Out and IMO, this was the Catalyst. Yes, I am positive that he had voiced ideas of murder prior to 2019, but the fact that he waited 2 years, indicates to me that the Money was the Catalyst and that Catalyst was made evident in early 2019.

IF the Divorce was Finalized BEFORE he was in Dire Straights, I doubt that he would have ever been in Dire Straights, since it would Not have been Imperative for him to continue Hiding Assets and claiming Poverty, If the Divorce was final beforehand.

Fd's Financial Spiral began in late 2018. It was October of 2018 when Fd refused to pay the mortgage/loan on 4JC. Fd paid the mortgage and the HF/GF loan for almost an entire 1.5 years After JFd filed for Divorce.

WHAT Changed in October of 2018 and Early 2019?

Money or Lack of Money and Millions of Dollars in Debt, will Absolutely make even a sane person go off the deep end to the point of committing murder.

To Fd, murdering JFd was his way out Financially and eliminating her from his life was just an added bonus.

Fd had just under 2 Years to which he could have murdered JFd.

JFd left with the Children on Fathers Day, June 18, 2017 and filed for divorce the next day.

JFd was killed on May 24, 2019, just 4 weeks shy of 2 years of her filing for divorce.

WHY did Fd Wait until he was Financially at the point of No Return IF he were going to murder her anyway?

Fd would have Already murdered JFd if it was just about getting rid of her.

So, Yes, I believe that if Fd had been Held Accountable in Family Court prior to his financial demise, then Yes, there Is a Possibility that JFd could still be alive.

We are Not talking about a Judge who said 'Oh Mr. Dulos, you may comply with my orders, but only If you want to and every time you come before me, I will ask you If you want to. You know, because nothing Court Ordered is ever enforceable'.

NO, Fd was Ordered to Comply over and over and the Judge did not impose Consequences when he Refused to Comply.

What is the point in having a Justice System if parties are Not Held Accountable?

IMO.
 
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If anyone would care to explain this "infamous" nonsense.

And Atty P team concerned about a "drain on judicial resources"? AS IF!:mad:
I’m inclined to think that NP is much more concerned about the drain on his client’s resources, and how NP will be paid. If he were so concerned about judicial resources he could advise his client to cut a deal and save time and money in multiple venues.
 
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Not sure about that specific store but they appeared in February or March.

Looks like this
Picture5.jpg
THAT THING IS TERRIFYING.

I actually wouldn't question someone taking a selfie with that thing, honestly.
 
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They are new enough, but I don’t know if novel is the right word, and certainly have seen nobody taking a selfie with one. Everybody (including the cashiers) thinks they’re creepy, useless, and generally in the way. I don’t doubt that the selfie was for the purpose of alibi production.

If one was thinking, how do "I get a place and timestamp photo of my self?"
But the truth is she has proof of whereabouts with that selfie.
 
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I think it was last used with Skakel
That was a sad one for everyone. If he had just confessed early on, his (and everyone else's lives would have been different, and probably better.) If he could have actually remembered what happened, which is what I think did not happen, IMO. (sorry for getting off track here.)
 
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