Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #38

[Boxer]

MOO it is possible KM was not at the meeting either, and MT was looking at two phones on the table.

 

[afitzy]

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Atty. P. calling out another attorney. Never thought I would see the day!

MOO

 

[Deleted member 121463]

I wonder why the police couldn't be called. Usually they will be there for these sorts of things. Moving out. Especially since there were previous instances of calls to the home. Maybe Jennifer didn't feel close enough to anybody to ask for help. Alot of people say they will help but when it comes right down to it, there's nobody to be found. Not saying that you personally wouldn't have helped, but that's often how it is. MOO.

You're right, that is how it is. I wonder if she may have been a bit isolated? Maybe years in an abusive marriage had made her inclined to stay to herself? It seems that she didn't confide in many people, sadly.

 

[afitzy]

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[Tink56]

You're right, that is how it is. I wonder if she may have been a bit isolated? Maybe years in an abusive marriage had made her inclined to stay to herself? It seems that she didn't confide in many people, sadly.

Additionally, IIRC, Fd was friends with the local police chief and someone in LE was their neighbor at one time. JFd was exercising the old adage that a "secret" is best kept by one person. (Except the wonderful moving folks!) MOO IMO

 

[BluesClues0]

Hi Topppps!

Not being an expert in blood loss, I take the expert's word at what amount of blood loss would result in death if not immediately remedied. I'd think it would be rather easy to determine, actually - though I couldn't quantify it myself.*

I think it's clear when all the evidence is read (worth a read, by the way, though it is long,) there can be no doubt in any reasonable person's mind that she did not survive the attack.

It's also very clear that there is much, much more evidence - hence the charges. Stay tuned, because there will be more to come.

*ETA: some of the posts following this (by more knowledgeable posters, e.g., @Boxer, @afitzy , to name a couple) have gone into more scientific/quantitative detail on this subject.

That is what they've said. Although I believe it, I could have sworn they said things like blood splaters. I'd think blood loss to result in death would be a lot of blood. Way more than splatters. More like lots of blood everywhere. So I'm guessing I'm mistaken about the couple blood splatters.

 

[annekris]

MOO it is possible KM was not at the meeting either, and MT was looking at two phones on the table.

I think it’s very possible taken together w/KMs claim that he had a concussion that caused short team memory loss for this very specific window of time

 

[CTGrammy]

Can y'all clear this up for me? The prearranged alibi call from Greece... and the lady who was reassigned the Dulos landline and captured a pile of voicemails, is this the connection? Did Mr. Greece call the old landline that day? And then realizing it, called FD's cellphone, which wasn't supposed to be the arrangement? But which could also explain the hesitation between KM and MT about answering it. They were expecting a landline call, correct?

JMO

I really like where you are going with this.

IMO.

 

[CTGrammy]

In regards Fd's 2015 Suburban on Thurton Drive in NC.

LE says they believe Fd is driving JFd's Suburban with her body in it at 10:25 am leaving 69WL. LE would have seen a second car come up the street.

Knowing that, I do not see Fd carrying JFd 600 feet through the thick woods to a waiting vehicle on Thurton, either.

Fd went out of his way to make sure He did Not have another of His vehicles in NC that day, with EE driving the Ford Raptor.

So, I do not think that an accomplice would have driven Fd's Suburban that Friday. It would have been a vehicle Not associated with Fd.

Could this have been the Tahoe Rental? Did we ever determine when that vehicle was rented? Then LE would not have been able to compare the damage on the Suburban with the Tahoe, as well as the case on top. So, that would not work either.

IMO, Fd's 2015 Suburban was seen on Thurton on a Recon Mission Days Before the murder and he was scoping out the best way to go through the woods.

Since Fd was seen riding the bike North on Weed, we can rule out that Fd went through the woods on Thurton and instead used Indian Waters or came down Frogtown to the front of 69WL.

I vote for Indian Waters. Attached maps show my thoughts and a comparison of going through the woods from Thurton or Indian Wells.

Fd was to transport the children on that Wednesday for his visitation. Fd would have been in his Suburban so as to seat himself, 5 children, and 1 if not 2 Supervisors and he could very easily have scoped out the neighborhood, either before or after his visitation.

IMO, I believe that LE is making the point that Fd's Suburban was on Thurton to show Pre-Meditation because the Suburban was at that exact spot behind 69WL, Days Prior to the murder.

What Believable Excuse could Fd have for being on Thurton Drive in NC, Ever?

Waze took him there?

NOT according to the Search Warrants.

IMO.

 

[Boxer]

That is what they've said. Although I believe it, I could have sworn they said things like blood splaters. I'd think blood loss to result in death would be a lot of blood. Way more than splatters. More like lots of blood everywhere. So I'm guessing I'm mistaken about the couple blood splatters.

MOO Splatters aren't dripping from a wound, its the blood spraying out from violent wounding.

But if she isn't dead where is she? FD knows, he had her bloody clothing.

 

[Jmoose]

The defense attorney will be using that argument, that there isn't enough blood evidence to indicated she is dead.

However the 10 rolls of paper towels used were enough to soak up the blood of a human.
And since FD had her bloody clothes, he would be the one to explain how much blood and where the blood went.
******
According to a study by the University of Michigan, one sheet of Bounty absorbs 33.6 mL water in 1 minute.

A standard roll of Bounty has 44 sheets, so that's 1,478.4 mL of water absorbed by a roll in 1 minute.

1,478.4 mL which is 1 and 1/2 quarts

For a 100-pound, five-foot female, the estimate amount of blood is three and a half liters, or 3.7 quarts. (The normal range for an adult human is usually estimated at five to six quarts)

1o rolls of paper towels were missing from the pantry.

MOO Three or 4 rolls to absorb the blood and six or so for the clean up.

*****
In addition to blood evidence there was blood like substances found in many places including on the passenger seat of the Tacoma. That blood like substance is possibly cranial/spinal fluid.

Nice work, Boxer!

 

[Megnut]

According to FD's AW3, MT says that, when she returned from her alibi run of selfies, the Raptor was not at 4JC (bc PG had it) but the Fore Suburban was.

That tells us NOTHING. Because it came from HER. But a curious overshare, no?

Her timestamps make it virtually impossible for her to have been in NC. Could she be lying about those, too?... somethings fishy somewhere.

You know, if FD intentionally kept her out of the loop, gave her a lot of instructions just no explanations, the second the obvious came into focus, she should have rolled. Distance herself fron the stench of death and claim blind allegiance. But she didn't. Why?

She can't think this is going to go away. No reason to protect HIM. That fairytale is DONE.

We know she helped with the garbage bags (her fingerprints, on the knots). We know she was there for the DufOdessey. We know she was there when FD called KM during the Albany dump. We can assume she heard whatever FD said.

But now, how do we reconcile alleged selfies, purse returns and friend visits around Farmington with her possible involvement on Welles?

Help me here.

JMOs.

 

[Jmoose]

As far as blood loss, there's something else that would be horrifyingly informative. Think chalk outline. Only in blood. If a person is 5 ft - something and what remains is a pool of blood that extends outward for a radius, basic computations will tell you what VOLUME OF BLOOD created that perimeter. How far the blood traveled (the edge of the stain) tells you a lot about how MUCH blood was involved. JMO

Patrick Frazee said he didn't know beating someone to death with a baseball bat would be so hard. (He promised to kill more humanely next time. ) I have to believe FD, who has probably never gotten his hands dirty in his whole life, must've thought he could overpower/abduct/dispatch his wife without much difficulty. But he underestimated JF. He LOST to JF. Because the thing that mattered to JF more than life itself, more than HER life itself, the FIVE THINGS, were her children. In fighting back against FD, she enraged him and she suffered for it, but she did it, I'm certain, to make sure her children would be protected from him. FD went there that day to kill her. The evidence is going to show overkill. Enraged. Anger killing. Out of control, brutal, devastating.

I hate that she died that day, but it is her love of her children and her character, her closeness to those who knew her best, whose initial worry flashpointed quickly to alarm, alerting law enforcement even before JF's MESSAGE IN BLOOD was entirely dried, that will forever protect her children from a MURDERER. Selfless, loving mother to the very end.

I think at trial, we will hear of photos of a large bloodstain on the floor of Jennifer's garage. FD did what he could with ten rolls of paper towels, but you can't sop up a bloodstain.

Ambushed, JF kept her wits about her for as long as she could. No knife in the fight...

A woman is never in as much danger as when she tries to leave a narcissist.

Why do these men not fall into their own pre-dug graves and leave the people who tried hard to love them the hell alone????

JMO

Wow-you are on fire today!

 

[Outforjustice]

In regards Fd's 2015 Suburban on Thurton Drive in NC.

LE says they believe Fd is driving JFd's Suburban with her body in it at 10:25 am leaving 69WL. LE would have seen a second car come up the street.

Knowing that, I do not see Fd carrying JFd 600 feet through the thick woods to a waiting vehicle on Thurton, either.

Fd went out of his way to make sure He did Not have another of His vehicles in NC that day, with EE driving the Ford Raptor.

So, I do not think that an accomplice would have driven Fd's Suburban that Friday. It would have been a vehicle Not associated with Fd.

Could this have been the Tahoe Rental? Did we ever determine when that vehicle was rented? Then LE would not have been able to compare the damage on the Suburban with the Tahoe, as well as the case on top. So, that would not work either.

IMO, Fd's 2015 Suburban was seen on Thurton on a Recon Mission Days Before the murder and he was scoping out the best way to go through the woods.

Since Fd was seen riding the bike North on Weed, we can rule out that Fd went through the woods on Thurton and instead used Indian Waters or came down Frogtown to the front of 69WL.

I vote for Indian Waters. Attached maps show my thoughts and a comparison of going through the woods from Thurton or Indian Wells.

Fd was to transport the children on that Wednesday for his visitation. Fd would have been in his Suburban so as to seat himself, 5 children, and 1 if not 2 Supervisors and he could very easily have scoped out the neighborhood, either before or after his visitation.

IMO, I believe that LE is making the point that Fd's Suburban was on Thurton to show Pre-Meditation because the Suburban was at that exact spot behind 69WL, Days Prior to the murder.

What Believable Excuse could Fd have for being on Thurton Drive in NC, Ever?

Waze took him there?

NOT according to the Search Warrants.

IMO.

“By George , I think you’ve got it”.
Recon mission , night of visitation

 

[MemPat]

Thanks sds71...You are always so good about keeping this forum informed. I've hit the paywall....long ago. Obviously the Courant doesn't allow monthly visits. Could you or someone else post additional "highlights" that conform to the WS guidelines? If not, I certainly understand! Thanks.

Click on History. Click on Clear History. Reboot. Now you can be all new with the Courant. Remember as you read that Dave Altimari is all hooked up with Pattis and his reporting is unreliable. MOO

 

[Megnut]

@CTGrammy, FD arrived EARLY on the 22nd. AHEAD OF the supervisor.

Since the SWs don't indicate WHEN the Fore Suburban was on Thurton Drive, perhaps it was on the 22nd. FD could have arrived early enough to scope out that back area, well in advance of accidentally showing up a full 30 minutes early. He wasn't supposed to be there without the supervisor. But he probably didn't understand that particular English.

I wish we knew WHEN EXACTLY the Fore Suburban was parked behind JF's house. Whenever it was, the day, another day, ANY day, it had NO BUSINESS BEING THERE.

JMO

 

[CTGrammy]

@CTGrammy, FD arrived EARLY on the 22nd. AHEAD OF the supervisor.

Since the SWs don't indicate WHEN the Fore Suburban was on Thurton Drive, perhaps it was on the 22nd. FD could have arrived early enough to scope out that back area, well in advance of accidentally showing up a full 30 minutes early. He wasn't supposed to be ther without the supervisor. But he probably didn't understand that particular English.

I wish we knew WHEN EXACTLY the Fore Suburban was parked behind JF's house. Wherever it was, the day, another day, ANY day, it had NO BUSINESS BEING THERE.

JMO

EXACTLY!

IMO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

@davealtimari

Got calls from Fotis Dulos' sister and niece today from overseas claiming the allegations of domestic violence detailed in search warrants are "big, big all lies"
and that they were present during the incidents described in warrants.
Dulos story updated with comments from his family members calling domestic violence allegations all lies.
Fotis Dulos, charged with the murder of his estranged wife, wants a probable-cause hearing before judge

That is very convenient that people who live in Greece just happened to be standing there in the United States at each time for which JFd specified that Fd committed domestic violence to her. The odds on that must be quite astounding. MOO.

 

[annekris]

According to FD's AW3, MT says that, when she returned from her alibi run of selfies, the Raptor was not at 4JC (bc PG had it) but the Fore Suburban was.

That tells us NOTHING. Because it came from HER. But a curious overshare, no?

Her timestamps make it virtually impossible for her to have been in NC. Could she be lying about those, too?... somethings fishy somewhere.

You know, if FD intentionally kept her out of the loop, gave her a lot of instructions just no explanations, the second the obvious came into focus, she should have rolled. Distance herself fron the stench of death and claim blind allegiance. But she didn't. Why?

She can't think this is going to go away. No reason to protect HIM. That fairytale is DONE.

We know she helped with the garbage bags (her fingerprints, on the knots). We know she was there for the DufOdessey. We know she was there when FD called KM during the Albany dump. We can assume she heard whatever FD said.

But now, how do we reconcile alleged selfies, purse returns and friend visits around Farmington with her possible involvement on Welles?

Help me here.

JMOs.

I don’t think there is time for MT to get to NC either. The traffic in lower Fairfield county needs to be factored in; it is almost comparable to LA traffic-horrific. No way could someone get from Farmington to NC quickly during that time of day with having to travel southbound on the Merritt or 1-95. I would give it at least 90 minutes due to traffic given the time of day. Part of FD leaving so early is that he avoided the traffic. Trust me I am not exaggerating about the traffic during the commuting times.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

“He (Fotis) followed her to the second floor and they went into one of the children’s room. He was not screaming at Jennifer or banging on anything,” Kyrimi said. “I am outraged by this. It’s completely inaccurate what they are saying.”


There is no doubt how volatile this relationship was. I doubt this account is accurate. If he was not fueled by anger why follow her and leave his family (as they were having a nice time in the family room). I am sure Jennifer could get angry but she removed herself from the situation. He followed her. The question as to why she went to the children's room is important. If she knew the nanny and the child were there, she was safer. If she went into her master bedroom, an assault probably would have occurred.

He could have been loud or silent, banging or not. Doesn't matter to me. The fact that he followed her to control the situation and that she knew enough to go to a place where others were present is the important nugget. And, I think a jury (if this is put into evidence) would see it as well.

So the niece followed Fd who was following Jennifer upstairs to the second floor and into the room? Is that usual behavior for someone like the niece to do when nothing was going on? I’m thinking not. Something is amiss here. MOO.