Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #43

[Megnut]

Oh, yes! The recording! Since FD is now deceased, there's NO reason to withhold it!! Roll that beautiful bean footage!

JMO

 

[Laughing]

Yep, this kind of stuff takes planning. Maybe not as much as a murder, but some planning is involved. If only FD had just done this before what he did/had done to JD. JMO.

a dozen pages behind -- but what if he's had this plan since May, so he knew the vacuum hose would reach & fit any Suburban, starting with the one in the garage at 69/71 Welles Lane, New Canaan, CT???

But our dear Jennifer fought back to protect her children, instead of surrendering to his control & getting in the Suburban meekly to die?

JMHO YMMV lots of LRR with NP but maybe that's over in the various courtrooms?

 

[annekris]

how did FD suburban get to Welles? On the 23rd or the 24th? Who drove it back to JX? I think KM had a very large part. IMO he took JFD in that car.

Not impossible but sticking to the evidence we have seen, in the AWs no date was given for when FD suburban was spotted behind Welles, only that it was ( likely) seen there

 

[afitzy]

If he did have something exculpatory, then why did he waive his right to a probable cause hearing? Advice of counsel.

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MOO

 

[oviedo]

@oviedo, HC is reporting that there is allegedly no will from Fd.
Dueling probate cases to be filed in Fotis Dulos death -- including one by Jennifer Farber Dulos’ mother

Wow - so intestate law for CT - the children would get anything not his siblings right ?
IMO

 

[afitzy]

Did LE release the “suicide” note to the media?

IMO its is unclear how the HC has what is says is the "FD note".

LE has not commented about the "FD note" at all and probably won't IMO as it (unlike Atty. P. IMO) is honouring the 'gag order' which exists because any case hasn't yet been dismissed by the Court.

MOO

 

[Woodswarrior]

I haven't seen that yet.
Where can I find it?

someone posted it a few pages back in this thread.

 

[NWLady]

NP is so full of it. If he truly “cared deeply” about FD, “and understood him as a human being” (???), why than did he feel he had no other choice but to kill himself? Surely if FD was innocent of this crime and felt confident that NP would present evidence of his innocence, why then would he kill himself? After all, he had five motherless children who needed their father to take care of them.

JMO, I think NP and FD were 'two peas in a pod" so they probably did 'care deeply' about each other and probably felt like they had been best friends forever! All of FD's court dates, with the exception of the last court date, FD would be standing there smiling and smirking when he looked up at NP and having the look like, you're my savior Norm, I know you can get me out of this so I'm not worried! However, with FD's last court date, I think FD truly new the game was over. He realized Norm couldn't save him, Norm couldn't help him no more, the Judge had no sympathy whatsoever (for a change) and FD was not smiling or smirking, and he was not looking up at Norm with the confidence he had at prior court dates, and instead of feeling so confident, FD was actually mad, **ssed off, and FD probably finally realized then that he was had and he was probably going to end up back in jail/prison for the rest of his sorry life! I think that is when he finally figured out that he wanted out of the situation and there was nobody that could get him out of the messes he had got himself in to, so that's when he may have started planning his suicide and taking what he felt was the easy way to get out and what he felt was the only way to get out.

JMO

This is all JMO.

 

[afitzy]

how did FD suburban get to Welles? On the 23rd or the 24th? Who drove it back to JX? I think KM had a very large part. IMO he took JFD in that car.

Welcome @ojd599!

So far as we know the Fd Suburban was not at Welles on the date JFd was allegedly murdered. AW1-3 haven't mentioned any such information. The AW3 mentioned that the Fd Suburban was seen on the street behind the Welles property but no specific date/time info was provided.

The Suburban at Welles that we know of from AW1-3 was JFd Suburban. The JFd Suburban pulled into the garage and was then allegedly used to carry the body of JFd away from Welles and the JFd Suburban was abandoned by Fd on Lapham Rd. in NC based on what we learned in AW1-3.

MOO

 

[Eli9]

I haven't seen that yet.
Where can I find it?

Deceased/Not Found - CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #43

 

[annekris]

Wow - so intestate law for CT - the children would get anything not his siblings right ?
IMO

yes spouse and children get everything , the divisions of such are pretty specific but for all intents and purposes these children will get it all, whether inherited through FD or JFd estate ...siblings, ‘best friends‘, girlfriends et al do not have a claim . Here’s some ‘fun’ reading for anyone who cares to do a deep dive https://www.cga.ct.gov/current/pub/chap_802b.htm

not a lawyer MOO

 

[sleuth66]

On the Chaz & AJ show 1/29/20 NP said he was at Union Station, Wash D.C. re a client for Alex Jones, when he checked his phone, which had been off for awhile. He found an "overwhelming number of messages relating to it" (FD suicide attempt). Wonder if one of those messages was from FD? Why was FD dealing with the bond issue that a.m. and not his lawyers?

Gives us more insight into the chaos that must have been kicked into action that morning. Remember that Colangelo was informed only that morning around 8:30 and then Pattis law office informed around 9am about the emergency hearing, so FD didn’t have a lot of time before he had to get his @#$ down to Stamford.

NP says he spoke with FD that morning. What was the conversation like and when did NP turn off his phone? Certain,y sometime before 12N, if he had loads of voicemails by the time he turned it on. Was KS the sole point of contact for FD that morning? Is that why FD was calling his bondsman and didn’t seem to know about Judelson? Given the short timeline for the emergency hearing at 12N, including the 1hr30 drive from 4 JC to Stamford court, that meant that FD would have to be on the road by 10:30 at the latest, more likely 10am if he needed to park and go through security and be at the courtroom at 12 since he was driving himself. So that explains why he was driving alone, there likely wasn’t much time for KS to come pick up FD since KS would have also had to prep for the hearing and get himself down to Stamford too, so they were probably all in scramble mode.

So we can surmise that FD was caught off guard that morning by the phonecall around 9 telling him to report at 12 for the emergency hearing, he had to spring into action to be presentable in court, gather up and assess the fact that he was likely going back to jail if only for a night or two, and then he was also on the phone to the bail bondsman, and he had to rig up the car in the garage with the vacuum hose and barricade and pen his note, and all of that happened within a 3 hour window from when he got the news about the emergency hearing. Anna was also there and wonder what she observed, was he panicking outwardly and what did he say to her? What did he send her out to get? By the time he sent her out, he was already late for or had decided to skip the hearing in Stamford. Did she know any of this was going on, or did she think was he just “taking care of business” up in the office?

MOO.

 

[annekris]

Theory as to why AC ‘needs’ NP as her lawyer : NP intends to sue FD estate to recover the $400k that AC paid bondsman, calling it a loan MOO

 

[Megnut]

I am looking forward to KM's trial. He wasn't invited on the Odyssey of Stupidity. Nor, as far as we know, any showering or Tacoma two-stepping, but because FD said he wasn't involved in what happened, we can be certain he was. I'd say he was in deep.

I have great faith that LE has some fantastic video images of KM's movements over, well let's say the 36 hours surrounding the "violent assault" at 69 W. Damn those ring cameras. LE will know who pedalled that Mercier and probably whether the pedaller had breakfast stuck in his teeth. We'll see nice close ups of whoever's driving the Tacoma, the Suburbans, who's feeling up Marty, who's coming and going at 69 W, who's coming and going at 4 JC. Dang it to donuts, we're also going to find out pulled a KK-Sonic at Subway. Maybe murder just makes everyone hungry... JMO

It's really touching that FD vouched for his cohorts. What a nice friendly thing to do. And you know Foti, nothing he wouldn't do for a friend. Problem is, uh, Fotis, uh, you have no credibility, uh, and so, it doesn't matter to us what you say. We don't believe you so much.

And besides, like y'all are saying, how can you KNOW they had NOTHING to do with it WHILE you're claiming you didn't know WHAT HAPPENED? If you don't know WHAT happened, then you also don't know HOW or WHEN whatever-happened-that-you- didn't- know-happened. Yeah, dang your luck all to pieces that you kind of convicted yourself. Because, Pal, your statements reflect your firsthand knowledge of the events of the day. Bum bum bummer.

Was there enough evidence to convict you? You must've thought so. Otherwise, you'd have stuck around to beat the charges.

No worries, I'm sure KM and MT are plenty happy taking the fall for you.

Poor Michi, y'all had such a beautiful life together. Until you didn't.

Don't be sad, Michi dear. You won't have to shower alone anymore.

Prison, you're gonna love it.

JMOJMOJMO

 

[annekris]

FACT: MT lied repeatedly about FD whereabouts the morning of JFd disappearance
FACT: MT is on camera and shown via cell phone pings to be present during disposal of bags and bags of bloody clothes containing JFd DNA and her own DNA
FACT: MT was present during multiple cleanups of evidence of murder

Evidence against KM is far more circumstantial IMO based on what we have seen

 

[Megnut]

FD logic: "I didn't kill her because I was at 4JC, where I actually wasn't but I know who was at 69 W because I wasn't there either, but only because I say I wasn't. "

Ah, the path of ill logic.

In the end, the sad sad end, everything JF told the courts proved to be true. And nothing FD said was.

Beyond tragic that it took her life before she was believed.

JMO

 

[afitzy]

Gives us more insight into the chaos that must have been kicked into action that morning. Remember that Colangelo was informed only that morning around 8:30 and then Pattis law office informed around 9am about the emergency hearing, so FD didn’t have a lot of time before he had to get his @#$ down to Stamford.

NP says he spoke with FD that morning. What was the conversation like and when did NP turn off his phone? Certain,y sometime before 12N, if he had loads of voicemails by the time he turned it on. Was KS the sole point of contact for FD that morning? Is that why FD was calling his bondsman and didn’t seem to know about Judelson? Given the short timeline for the emergency hearing at 12N, including the 1hr30 drive from 4 JC to Stamford court, that meant that FD would have to be on the road by 10:30 at the latest, more likely 10am if he needed to park and go through security and be at the courtroom at 12 since he was driving himself. So that explains why he was driving alone, there likely wasn’t much time for KS to come pick up FD since KS would have also had to prep for the hearing and get himself down to Stamford too, so they were probably all in scramble mode.

So we can surmise that FD was caught off guard that morning by the phonecall around 9 telling him to report at 12 for the emergency hearing, he had to spring into action to be presentable in court, gather up and assess the fact that he was likely going back to jail if only for a night or two, and then he was also on the phone to the bail bondsman, and he had to rig up the car in the garage with the vacuum hose and barricade and pen his note, and all of that happened within a 3 hour window from when he got the news about the emergency hearing. Anna was also there and wonder what she observed, was he panicking outwardly and what did he say to her? What did he send her out to get? By the time he sent her out, he was already late for or had decided to skip the hearing in Stamford. Did she know any of this was going on, or did she think was he just “taking care of business” up in the office?

MOO.

But why would KS not make a call looking for Fd until 12:15pm if he saw all the chaos happening around him as he was no doubt privy to everything happening? I will never forget that quick interview he did outside court, he seemed largely disconnected (by design perhaps?) from the situation of figuring out where Fd was and what was happening? I believe it is technically his job (insured by the bonds people) to make sure Fd is in Court when required. What did KS do in terms of finding his client from 10:30am until he reported on him at 12:15pm? I am very curious how many times KS might have been calling Fd or more likely Atty. P.

Little about the role of Atty. P. and KS on the date that Fd killed himself makes much sense and I hope LE publishes a precise timeline after they do their investigation into the suicide.

KS in his interview just made it seem like he was just hanging out waiting for his client to show up?! This makes zero sense given the long drive in traffic from Farmington to get to Stamford IMO that Fd had to make.

My guess is that Fd might have been blowing up the phone of Atty. P. and possibly due to relationship issues with Atty KS that he didn't reach out to him at all. IDK, just speculation. If Fd was blowing up Atty. P. phone and Atty. P. never picked up then that sent a message (might not have been intended this way) that Atty. P. wasn't willing or available to help him and he was on his own. Left with this information that he was on his own now, Fd chose suicide option rather that Judge Blawie's famous "Door 2" as Fd knew he was going back to jail.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

FACT: MT lied repeatedly about FD whereabouts the morning of JFd disappearance
FACT: MT is on camera and shown via cell phone pings to be present during disposal of bags and bags of bloody clothes containing JFd DNA and her own DNA
FACT: MT was present during multiple cleanups of evidence of murder

Evidence against KM is far more circumstantial IMO based on what we have seen

FACT: MT is going to prison for a very long time!

Issue I think on KM is that the investigation is ongoing. KM has many 'interesting' clients and so I expect to see eventually that the underbelly of the Farmington Valley having been under investigation now for months. Speculating here but I also guess that KM had connections to more folks like the guy with the gas can and crowbar buy (that was seen on video at KM STBX house in the leaked video on Fox61) as did some of his clients who might possibly be connected to the trading of cars in some way.

There are so many loose ends and so many more pieces to this puzzle IMO, particularly as it relates to KM and his STBX as I am firmed convinced that KM wanted to murder his STBX and engaged Fd for the 'assist' along with possible one or more of his unsavoury and connected clients.

Stay tuned as I think more is coming, just don't know when....

MOO!

 

[Deleted member 229974]

JMO, I think NP and FD were 'two peas in a pod" so they probably did 'care deeply' about each other and probably felt like they had been best friends forever! All of FD's court dates, with the exception of the last court date, FD would be standing there smiling and smirking when he looked up at NP and having the look like, you're my savior Norm, I know you can get me out of this so I'm not worried! However, with FD's last court date, I think FD truly new the game was over. He realized Norm couldn't save him, Norm couldn't help him no more, the Judge had no sympathy whatsoever (for a change) and FD was not smiling or smirking, and he was not looking up at Norm with the confidence he had at prior court dates, and instead of feeling so confident, FD was actually mad, **ssed off, and FD probably finally realized then that he was had and he was probably going to end up back in jail/prison for the rest of his sorry life! I think that is when he finally figured out that he wanted out of the situation and there was nobody that could get him out of the messes he had got himself in to, so that's when he may have started planning his suicide and taking what he felt was the easy way to get out and what he felt was the only way to get out.

JMO

This is all JMO.

I can see what you’re saying, they are (were) both narcissistic, arrogant, devious and full of crap. So I guess they were kindred souls after all. I personally think Norm just strung Fotis along though. Norm tried to throw things out there to the public to give Fotis false hope, but Norm knew his client didn’t have a chance once evidence started coming in, but he didn’t care. Just like Fotis, Norm was only concerned about the money he was making. And the reason why Fotis was no longer smiling at his lawyer, was like you said, the gig was up. Norm could no longer string him along, take his money, and couldn’t challenge the ever growing evidence against him, so he was indeed p’d off, to say the least. IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

Deceased/Not Found - CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #43

Thank you!

Wow, he really does look like a terrified, broken man. If I did not know anything about him I would feel sorry for him.
I bet it was after that when he started seriously thinking about suicide.

I couldn't hear very well because my dog is lying at my feet chewing on his leg making slobbering noises.

But I did hear Norm say that the memorial was less of a memorial and more of a way to taunt his client. Poor Fotis. Always the victim. Seems to me that it is Norm's ridiculous antics that have fueled the public's outrage for Fotis the most. I wonder if FD had any thoughts about that himself.

After all, he didn't exactly thank him for all his hard work in his suicide note. Maybe Pattis failed him, after all.

Imo