Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #44

[merrymary]

I was going to say exactly that-but pulled back. Now I wish I’d let it fly!

I delayed on the enter button - but then WENT FOR IT! lol

 

[Nikynoo]

Do you see a live link?

theres this, but i cant see the content Dulos’ attorney files motion to have Farmington estate conservator discharged

 

[MilanaCapricorn]

I've been reading through thread after thread after thread and honestly some of the opinions and speculations are reaching and irrelevant IMOO. Could someone please just try and give me concrete evidence that JD is dead? not hearsay, not DNA on a bag? I think we forget that our emotions get the better of us and we are forgetting that the client/suspect/ FD is presumed innocent. They haven't found a body yet, and as far as I know, from the evidence they collected there isn't evidence of enough blood being lost belonging to JD to concretely say she should be presumed dead. Do I think she's dead? Yes. Does that matter? No. Do I think FD probably did it? Yes. Does that matter? NO!... It doesn't matter if they were going through a divorce, it doesn't matter if they got into arguments( millions upon millions of people go through the same and worse), and unfortunately any suspicious behavior and behaviors in the past are not proof beyond a reasonable doubt that JD was murdered let alone is deceased. I think all of the brilliant minds here, we would be more helpful to the investigation by using our skills to find out where she is, dead or alive, and then you work outward from there. I think if JD is a victim, than we owe it to her to find her and find out what actually happened. JUST A THOUGHT....also FD isn't on trial for murder, correct? Sorry to come off this way, just it gets a little frustrating to hear over and over again that someone is a lying and murdered his wife when that is a big accusation that there is no concrete proof of... I would keep in mind that THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION HAS A GANG MENTALITY-STAY OBJECTIVE!

 

[MilanaCapricorn]

I've been reading through thread after thread after thread and honestly some of the opinions and speculations are reaching and irrelevant IMOO. Could someone please just try and give me concrete evidence that JD is dead? not hearsay, not DNA on a bag? I think we forget that our emotions get the better of us and we are forgetting that the client/suspect/ FD is presumed innocent. They haven't found a body yet, and as far as I know, from the evidence they collected there isn't evidence of enough blood being lost belonging to JD to concretely say she should be presumed dead. Do I think she's dead? Yes. Does that matter? No. Do I think FD probably did it? Yes. Does that matter? NO!... It doesn't matter if they were going through a divorce, it doesn't matter if they got into arguments( millions upon millions of people go through the same and worse), and unfortunately any suspicious behavior and behaviors in the past are not proof beyond a reasonable doubt that JD was murdered let alone is deceased. I think all of the brilliant minds here, we would be more helpful to the investigation by using our skills to find out where she is, dead or alive, and then you work outward from there. I think if JD is a victim, than we owe it to her to find her and find out what actually happened. JUST A THOUGHT....also FD isn't on trial for murder, correct? Sorry to come off this way, just it gets a little frustrating to hear over and over again that someone is a lying and murdered his wife when that is a big accusation that there is no concrete proof of... I would keep in mind that THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION HAS A GANG MENTALITY-STAY OBJECTIVE!

 

[Nikynoo]

I've been reading through thread after thread after thread and honestly some of the opinions and speculations are reaching and irrelevant IMOO. Could someone please just try and give me concrete evidence that JD is dead? not hearsay, not DNA on a bag? I think we forget that our emotions get the better of us and we are forgetting that the client/suspect/ FD is presumed innocent. They haven't found a body yet, and as far as I know, from the evidence they collected there isn't evidence of enough blood being lost belonging to JD to concretely say she should be presumed dead. Do I think she's dead? Yes. Does that matter? No. Do I think FD probably did it? Yes. Does that matter? NO!... It doesn't matter if they were going through a divorce, it doesn't matter if they got into arguments( millions upon millions of people go through the same and worse), and unfortunately any suspicious behavior and behaviors in the past are not proof beyond a reasonable doubt that JD was murdered let alone is deceased. I think all of the brilliant minds here, we would be more helpful to the investigation by using our skills to find out where she is, dead or alive, and then you work outward from there. I think if JD is a victim, than we owe it to her to find her and find out what actually happened. JUST A THOUGHT....also FD isn't on trial for murder, correct? Sorry to come off this way, just it gets a little frustrating to hear over and over again that someone is a lying ******* and murdered his wife when that is a big accusation that there is no concrete proof of... I would keep in mind that THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION HAS A GANG MENTALITY-STAY OBJECTIVE!

I Love this post! I too believe that we should try and locate Jennifer. @MilanaCapricorn do you have any thoughts where Jennifer could be located?

 

[annekris]

84 Mountain Spring Rd, Farmington, CT 06032 - realtor.com®
[NOTE, IDK whether this is a rendering or whether this house was actually built - could be raw land]

585 DC is prior house of Mama Dulos and is a 70's style rambler with land and is in an advanced state of decay and most likely would have to be knocked down IMO. Fd has been marketing this property for years as a 'build to suit' but had no takers. This property is in Avon and a short distance from 4Jx and Fd used the property to store FORE materials and equipment.

https://www.trulia.com/p/ct/avon/585-deercliff-rd-avon-ct-06001--1007162776

MT is believed to be in Avon but unclear who owns the house/condo.

MOO

Aha! Thanks !

 

[afitzy]

I've been reading through thread after thread after thread and honestly some of the opinions and speculations are reaching and irrelevant IMOO. Could someone please just try and give me concrete evidence that JD is dead? not hearsay, not DNA on a bag? I think we forget that our emotions get the better of us and we are forgetting that the client/suspect/ FD is presumed innocent. They haven't found a body yet, and as far as I know, from the evidence they collected there isn't evidence of enough blood being lost belonging to JD to concretely say she should be presumed dead. Do I think she's dead? Yes. Does that matter? No. Do I think FD probably did it? Yes. Does that matter? NO!... It doesn't matter if they were going through a divorce, it doesn't matter if they got into arguments( millions upon millions of people go through the same and worse), and unfortunately any suspicious behavior and behaviors in the past are not proof beyond a reasonable doubt that JD was murdered let alone is deceased. I think all of the brilliant minds here, we would be more helpful to the investigation by using our skills to find out where she is, dead or alive, and then you work outward from there. I think if JD is a victim, than we owe it to her to find her and find out what actually happened. JUST A THOUGHT....also FD isn't on trial for murder, correct? Sorry to come off this way, just it gets a little frustrating to hear over and over again that someone is a lying ******* and murdered his wife when that is a big accusation that there is no concrete proof of... I would keep in mind that THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION HAS A GANG MENTALITY-STAY OBJECTIVE!

Curious as to why you believe the State Medical Examiner Gill would have issued the opinion he did about blood loss of JFd in AW3, if he didn't believe she were dead?

IF JFd were dismembered and her body parts disbursed via multiple bags then it is likely that there is no body to be found as it would have been burned at MIRA prior to the arrival of LE at the scene. To our knowledge LE has not found a grave or burn pit such as we have seen on other cases. The searches for a body have been extensive in both NC and Farmington. LE appears to have ceased searching for a body? What clue might this give us? IMO it might mean that sufficient evidence exists to suggest that there is no body to find and that the blood evidence (of which we don't have all the information) is such that the only viable conclusion is that JFd died.

We recently saw in the Stephanie Parze case that her body was simply dumped by the side of the road off of a highway and just happened to be found by accident. This was after LE and family in that case searched for over a month and searched 100s of acres in 2 states (NJ and NY). Fd had a time gap clearly in NC and another long time gap in Farmington where many think something could have been done with the body of JFd. The search area involved is sizeable and Gray Hughes IMO did a great Google Earth map to show the possibilities for body disposal in/around NC on the murder date. We don't have all the search warrants yet to see where LE did/didn't search but we do know they searched actively for months.

Blood spatter and splatter were in evidence in the Welles garage and blood was found on the retrieved clothing items of JFd (shirt and bra) as well as 'clean up items' retrieved along Albany Ave. which were being disposed of by Fd and MT.

The Welles garage was cleaned but did show evidence of blood pooling on the floor (seepage into cement has been the theory here) to permit for rough approximation of blood loss in the garage and adjacent area.

Blood loss was also evident on the JFd Suburban car liner that was disposed of along Albany Ave by Fd.

Blood was evident on the EE seat that Fd and MT were cleaning at 80 MS per AW2 and 3. This blood spot was sufficiently large that Fd ordered EE to remove the seat and replace it.

In a prior thread ALL the blood evidence was cataloged into a comprehensive list and said list was extensive.

References to blood weave their way all through AW1-3 as well as in the forensic evidence that we saw for the first time in AW3.

I'm curious where you are seeing a lack of as you say, "concrete proof" in AW1-3?

Very curious as most here simply see blood covering almost everything from the scene at Welles to the items retrieved on Albany and we most likely haven't heard about the items retrieved from MIRA etc.

Share you views please.

MOO

 

[Nikynoo]

Curious as to why you believe the State Medical Examiner Gill would have issued the opinion he did about blood loss of JFd in AW3, if he didn't believe she were dead?

Blood spatter and splatter were in evidence in the Welles garage and blood was found on the retrieved clothing items of JFd (shirt and bra) as well as 'clean up items' retrieved along Albany Ave. which were being disposed of by Fd and MT.

The Welles garage was cleaned but did show evidence of blood pooling on the floor (seepage into cement has been the theory here) to permit for rough approximation of blood loss in the garage and adjacent area.

Blood loss was also evident on the JFd Suburban car liner that was disposed of along Albany Ave by Fd.

Blood was evident on the EE seat that Fd and MT were cleaning at 80 MS per AW2 and 3. This blood spot was sufficiently large that Fd ordered EE to remove the seat and replace it.

In a prior thread ALL the blood evidence was cataloged into a comprehensive list and said list was extensive.

References to blood weave their way all through AW1-3 as well as in the forensic evidence that we saw for the first time in AW3.

I'm curious where you are seeing a lack of as you say, "concrete proof" in AW1-3?

Very curious as most here simply see blood covering almost everything from the scene at Welles to the items retrieved on Albany and we most likely haven't heard about the items retrieved from MIRA etc.

Share you views please.

MOO

IMO, I think the OP is referring to the opinion of the ME who was shown the evidence gathered during the investigation, where he said something along the lines of, the person who sustained these injuries/lost this amount of blood, would have died without medical intervention. Following the OPs thinking, there is immediate doubt here. It is just one opinion and is not concrete proof. Say for instance there was a trial, i have no doubt that defence counsel would produce their own expert to counter/denounce/provide an alternative opinion.

 

[enelram]

I've been reading through thread after thread after thread and honestly some of the opinions and speculations are reaching and irrelevant IMOO. Could someone please just try and give me concrete evidence that JD is dead? not hearsay, not DNA on a bag? I think we forget that our emotions get the better of us and we are forgetting that the client/suspect/ FD is presumed innocent. They haven't found a body yet, and as far as I know, from the evidence they collected there isn't evidence of enough blood being lost belonging to JD to concretely say she should be presumed dead. Do I think she's dead? Yes. Does that matter? No. Do I think FD probably did it? Yes. Does that matter? NO!... It doesn't matter if they were going through a divorce, it doesn't matter if they got into arguments( millions upon millions of people go through the same and worse), and unfortunately any suspicious behavior and behaviors in the past are not proof beyond a reasonable doubt that JD was murdered let alone is deceased. I think all of the brilliant minds here, we would be more helpful to the investigation by using our skills to find out where she is, dead or alive, and then you work outward from there. I think if JD is a victim, than we owe it to her to find her and find out what actually happened. JUST A THOUGHT....also FD isn't on trial for murder, correct? Sorry to come off this way, just it gets a little frustrating to hear over and over again that someone is a lying ******* and murdered his wife when that is a big accusation that there is no concrete proof of... I would keep in mind that THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION HAS A GANG MENTALITY-STAY OBJECTIVE!

I see your'e new here. Welcome. We seemed to have several new posters who haven't read the official documents like the Arrest Warrants
or the Search Warrants.
These other new posters, like you, haven't seen or don't want to believe the Medical Examiner
who has stated there's enough evidence to believe that JFD could not have survived without medical intervention due to the amount of blood found in her garage and in the
bags of evidence FD and MT were seen on video dumping on Albany Ave.
I believe the ME believes she's dead.
Good enough for most of us here.

 

[Alkali13]

I've been reading through thread after thread after thread and honestly some of the opinions and speculations are reaching and irrelevant IMOO. Could someone please just try and give me concrete evidence that JD is dead? not hearsay, not DNA on a bag? I think we forget that our emotions get the better of us and we are forgetting that the client/suspect/ FD is presumed innocent. They haven't found a body yet, and as far as I know, from the evidence they collected there isn't evidence of enough blood being lost belonging to JD to concretely say she should be presumed dead. Do I think she's dead? Yes. Does that matter? No. Do I think FD probably did it? Yes. Does that matter? NO!... It doesn't matter if they were going through a divorce, it doesn't matter if they got into arguments( millions upon millions of people go through the same and worse), and unfortunately any suspicious behavior and behaviors in the past are not proof beyond a reasonable doubt that JD was murdered let alone is deceased. I think all of the brilliant minds here, we would be more helpful to the investigation by using our skills to find out where she is, dead or alive, and then you work outward from there. I think if JD is a victim, than we owe it to her to find her and find out what actually happened. JUST A THOUGHT....also FD isn't on trial for murder, correct? Sorry to come off this way, just it gets a little frustrating to hear over and over again that someone is a lying ******* and murdered his wife when that is a big accusation that there is no concrete proof of... I would keep in mind that THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION HAS A GANG MENTALITY-STAY OBJECTIVE!

Concrete evidence that JFD is dead? No, we don't have that.

Expert opinion from ME that JFD could not have survived the injuries she likely sustained based on amount of blood lost per AW3? Yes, we have that, and have since the murder charges were filed.

That being said, I completely understand the frustration with some of the rampant speculation here. I tend to gloss over the more extreme posts that are clearly based on emotional bias and presumption instead of facts and evidence (of which there have been a lot lately).

I'd be curious as to your theory on where JFD is. I've personally gone back and forth, and that hasn't changed since the very early days of this case. I'm currently leaning towards JFD being buried somewhere, likely preplanned or prestaged. I definitely subscribed to dismemberment/MIRA at multiple points, but currently highly doubt it based on the trash pickup schedule and overall risk involved with that plan.

 

[Alkali13]

No I saw a live truck when I drove past.
ETA. If I had time to be nosier I would’ve.
Next time I promise.

Where's @kimch33kim with our inside scoop??

There are so many reasons they could be there today though. Who knows if it is related.

 

[4mouse]

I've been reading through thread after thread after thread and honestly some of the opinions and speculations are reaching and irrelevant IMOO. Could someone please just try and give me concrete evidence that JD is dead? not hearsay, not DNA on a bag? I think we forget that our emotions get the better of us and we are forgetting that the client/suspect/ FD is presumed innocent. They haven't found a body yet, and as far as I know, from the evidence they collected there isn't evidence of enough blood being lost belonging to JD to concretely say she should be presumed dead. Do I think she's dead? Yes. Does that matter? No. Do I think FD probably did it? Yes. Does that matter? NO!... It doesn't matter if they were going through a divorce, it doesn't matter if they got into arguments( millions upon millions of people go through the same and worse), and unfortunately any suspicious behavior and behaviors in the past are not proof beyond a reasonable doubt that JD was murdered let alone is deceased. I think all of the brilliant minds here, we would be more helpful to the investigation by using our skills to find out where she is, dead or alive, and then you work outward from there. I think if JD is a victim, than we owe it to her to find her and find out what actually happened. JUST A THOUGHT....also FD isn't on trial for murder, correct? Sorry to come off this way, just it gets a little frustrating to hear over and over again that someone is a lying ******* and murdered his wife when that is a big accusation that there is no concrete proof of... I would keep in mind that THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION HAS A GANG MENTALITY-STAY OBJECTIVE!

 

[kay74]

On another website, someone said CT. is a liberal state thus this result with FD, letting him go home, no jail, letting him drive HIMSELF to court, Unreal. What they actual did was kill him, another murder. Stupid? You bet!

 

[pseudo_hum]

IMO, I think the OP is referring to the opinion of the ME who was shown the evidence gathered during the investigation, where he said something along the lines of, the person who sustained these injuries/lost this amount of blood, would have died without medical intervention. Following the OPs thinking, there is immediate doubt here. It is just one opinion and is not concrete proof. Say for instance there was a trial, i have no doubt that defence counsel would produce their own expert to counter/denounce/provide an alternative opinion.

I believe a reasonable could presume that if JD were alive she would feel safe to come out of hiding knowing FD is not around. I would think her mother and her children would know of her whereabouts if she was alive. MOO.

 

[Nikynoo]

I see your'e new here. Welcome. We seemed to have several new posters who haven't read the official documents like the Arrest Warrants
or the Search Warrants.
These other new posters, like you, haven't seen or don't want to believe the Medical Examiner
who has stated there's enough evidence to believe that JFD could not have survived without medical intervention due to the amount of blood found in her garage and in the
bags of evidence FD and MT were seen on video dumping on Albany Ave.
I believe the ME believes she's dead.
Good enough for most of us here.

The ME statement is an opinion not a fact. Granted he is entitled to his opinion, but it is based on information provided by LE (e.g. not independent) and another ME provided with the same evidence may form a different opinion. For example, whilst we know that the evidence points to blood pooling, we don't know how much blood was lost. BTW, I too think Jennifer is dead, just wanted to point out to you how defence counsel would approach this.

 

[Diddian]

Also, ten rolls of paper towels were missing from the pantry according to JD's nanny, who had purchased a full package of 12 and placed it in the pantry the day prior to JD's disappearance. Also, the paper towel dispenser in the kitchen was empty.

I find that interesting. The person who attacked Jennifer first used the paper towels on the dispenser, then when that was used up, they grabbed individual rolls of paper towels from the full package of 12 - one or two at a time rather than grabbing the full package at once. And they took the soiled paper towels with them.

That implies they spent time cleaning up after the attack, rather than simply attacked JD and immobilized her with the zip-ties, threw her in the back of her own Suburban, and threw the 12-pack of paper towels in with her. Police indicated in the AW that there was evidence that someone had attempted to clean up.

So, enough blood was spilled to require ten rolls of paper towels, plus whatever had remained on the roll on the dispenser in the kitchen to sop it all up. Seems like a lot of blood loss, more than the attacker had expected or was prepared for.

Also, JD didn't use those paper towels to clean up after herself. So no revenge suicide.

 

[Nikynoo]

Concrete evidence that JFD is dead? No, we don't have that.

Expert opinion from ME that JFD could not have survived the injuries she likely sustained based on amount of blood lost per AW3? Yes, we have that, and have since the murder charges were filed.

That being said, I completely understand the frustration with some of the rampant speculation here. I tend to gloss over the more extreme posts that are clearly based on emotional bias and presumption instead of facts and evidence (of which there have been a lot lately).

I'd be curious as to your theory on where JFD is. I've personally gone back and forth, and that hasn't changed since the very early days of this case. I'm currently leaning towards JFD being buried somewhere, likely preplanned or prestaged. I definitely subscribed to dismemberment/MIRA at multiple points, but currently highly doubt it based on the trash pickup schedule and overall risk involved with that plan.

Me too, I am leaning towards disposal near her home, for the simple reason that it would have been too risky to have a body in an (unreliable?) truck for 1.5 hours.

 

[Nikynoo]

I believe a reasonable could presume that if JD were alive she would feel safe to come out of hiding knowing FD is not around. I would think her mother and her children would know of her whereabouts if she was alive. MOO.

Yes. That is a presumption though and not a fact. Now a lot of presumptions (that we have in this case), together with evidence gathered by LE (e.g. blood) could lead a reasonable jury to decide that Jennifer is dead.

 

[afitzy]

IMO, I think the OP is referring to the opinion of the ME who was shown the evidence gathered during the investigation, where he said something along the lines of, the person who sustained these injuries/lost this amount of blood, would have died without medical intervention. Following the OPs thinking, there is immediate doubt here. It is just one opinion and is not concrete proof. Say for instance there was a trial, i have no doubt that defence counsel would produce their own expert to counter/denounce/provide an alternative opinion.

Yes, of course. Atty. P. was heading down this long trail with his multiple disparaging remarks about Dr. Gill and claiming that absent a body there was no proof that JFd is dead. We have seen in other cases that this logic is faulty. LE has found no evidence to suggest that JFd is living as they stated in AW3.

IDK. I don't think Dr. Gill would have gone out on the record to make the claim he did absent strong evidence as to blood loss. The garage scene was indeed bloody as was the JFd Suburban. Someone here on prior thread looked at the pickup volume of the 10 rolls of paper towels which were used to clean up the scene and even though doing a conversion from water pickup to blood pickup is tricky, there was significant blood loss in the Welles garage. My guess is that Dr. Gill had the precise math to do similar analysis and looked closely at the clean up effort and the clear pooling marks on the garage concrete floor.

The use of the term 'concrete proof' is tricky too IMO as I'm not of the belief that 'concrete proof' has to include a body. We have seen multiple cases play out with convictions where the body is absent. What concrete proof is meant by the OP here? Seems like we might be on a snipe hunt for a body that was burnt or liquified too or simply disposed of in black plastic bags in multiple locations by Fd and MT.

So much of the information here isn't yet disclosed too and that makes assessment of this issue largely theoretical too. Dr Gill IMO had access to much more information that we on WS have in AW1-3 and I don't think he would risk his reputation making the statement he did without a lot of forensic investigation and testing.

I suppose we will have to wait for trial or more disclosure by the State but I'm curious where the OP sees that JFd might still be amongst the living here based on the very limited info in AW1-3.

MOO

 

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