Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #44

[Alkali13]

I think that if she is dead, which I do, I highly doubt that she was dismembered as suggested, or burned as suggested. I think she is probably buried, does anyone know if LE had searched any bodies of water in the area? If there is a timeline, what bodies of water, or abandoned or unused properties are within the distance that would be plausible? I'm not familiar with the area, but I tend to lean on what a person has access and time to do?

Multiple bodies of water have been searched that I am aware of, but the three I am immediately thinking of are not in NC. The three that immediately come to mind are the West Hartford reservoir, the Avon waterski club pond, and the Pound Ridge property lake. The reservoir is near FD's Famrington property, the ski club lake is somewhere FD frequented and they have a cell phone tower SW for, and the Pound Ridge property was previously owned by GF and about 15 minutes from Welles Lane.

 

[Dacaesar]

Yes, of course. Atty. P. was heading down this long trail with his multiple disparaging remarks about Dr. Gill and claiming that absent a body there was no proof that JFd is dead. We have seen in other cases that this logic is faulty. LE has found no evidence to suggest that JFd is living as they stated in AW3.

IDK. I don't think Dr. Gill would have gone out on the record to make the claim he did absent strong evidence as to blood loss. The garage scene was indeed bloody as was the JFd Suburban. Someone here on prior thread looked at the pickup volume of the 10 rolls of paper towels which were used to clean up the scene and even though doing a conversion from water pickup to blood pickup is tricky, there was significant blood loss in the Welles garage. My guess is that Dr. Gill had the precise math to do similar analysis and looked closely at the clean up effort and the clear pooling marks on the garage concrete floor.

The use of the term 'concrete proof' is tricky too IMO as I'm not of the belief that 'concrete proof' has to include a body. We have seen multiple cases play out with convictions where the body is absent. What concrete proof is meant by the OP here? Seems like we might be on a snipe hunt for a body that was burnt or liquified too or simply disposed of in black plastic bags in multiple locations by Fd and MT.

So much of the information here isn't yet disclosed too and that makes assessment of this issue largely theoretical too. Dr Gill IMO had access to much more information that we on WS have in AW1-3 and I don't think he would risk his reputation making the statement he did without a lot of forensic investigation and testing.

I suppose we will have to wait for trial or more disclosure by the State but I'm curious where the OP sees that JFd might still be amongst the living here based on the very limited info in AW1-3.

MOO

I whole-heartedly agree. Of course all expert opinions are in the end just that, and "concrete proof" might very well be an unreachable standard. If all extremely motivated perpetrators needed to do in order to get away with the "perfect murder" would be to ensure the body completely disappears with no trace, that would be a tragedy and travesty. Just as LE forensics have come a long way, so has the ability for criminals to use technology as well. What if FD had planned better to not leave blood evidence on that garage floor? Would LE be left to say -"oh well, no case here let's all just move along - next victim". That's why prosecutors present their cases with as much evidence as possible, whether it be circumstantial or forensic. In the end, it's left to the jury's "opinion" regarding innocence or guilt. The public i.e -us- are left to speculate with what information we have at any given time. NP has been given ample opportunity to publicly dispute any information that LE has laid out in arresting documents etc., however he has utterly failed to do so.

 

[dlharris2712]

YES! Because the bond was fraudulent (due to insufficient collateral) and Fd and AC most clearly knew this was the case, it meant that there was little incentive for Fd and AC to remain in CT and they could fee with no consequences.

CT would then go to enforce the $6 million bond and find out that it wasn't worth the paper it was printed on.

So, Fd would be gone and State of CT would have no bond coverage.

EPIC FAIL IMO.

MOO

And Honestly...for the shoddy work done by the courts in CT...they deserve exactly what they get -- which is most likely ZILCH! moo

 

[Alkali13]

Yes - many bodies of water were searched and some more than once. Also at least one septic system that I know of. CT is very dense with woods and deep bodies of water. Also interesting to note, on the first arrest it was noted that FD was covered with a poison ivy rash.

I always forget about that detail until it is brought up again! We've debated often where the rash came from, but now that we know FD took the bike from Lapham to Welles, I'm inclined to believe he may have crept through the woods during that time.

 

[afitzy]

But if he didn’t fill out the application completely, then how did they get the money?

Unknown.

All the required boxes and information were not completed in multiple portions of the application package that I saw.

The wrong state on the Bond Certificate was IMO classic!

MOO

 

[Laughing]

That or disgusting oil. The most backwards and behind the times thing I saw while living in Connecticut...heat your house with expensive oil. Just keep a stinking, flammable 200 gallon tank in your basement...

We lived in West Hartford and all of our neighbors had gas heat, EXCEPT FOR US because our landlord didn't want to pay the cost of having it set up.

Well, back in the '60's The Oil Truck was a big deal on my street in New Canaan. Once it even came on a snow day, so we left the sleds on someone's driveway & followed that truck up & down the street in our snowpants & boots, clearing snow away from the oil-filling pipes, watching the driver drag the hose to the oil-filling pipes at each house, filling, then back to the truck & to the next house.

Yeah, you're jealous, I know it

JMHO YMMV

 

[pandaknows]

And how are FD and MT going to flee if AC has been supplying the funds for FD to eat, heat this house, etc for what seems like 3 months?

If FD and MT fled, AC would still be out the $400K + CASH that she signed on the dotted line for, right? Kinda hard to ask her for a loan when you've done that.

MT and AC arguably look alike. But they are not the same person. Duke, CFP designation (which the CFP Board needs to strip from AC with penalties as AC apparently is still improperly using the trademark on her Linkedin which is a big no-no) and LPL tech project manager position of 6 years leads me to believe that except for hooking up with FD again, AC might have aspired to being a trusted professional based on hard work and brains (and her good looks don't hurt). AC strikes me as a worker bee caught in a web. At some point, AC, probably in good faith, worked as a financial planner for FD and gave him all the HEMS (health, education, maintenance and support) info. AC would have known that once FD was denied any chance of winning legal custody of the children it would be game over for any $$$ to come their way. AC would have been part of the brains behind the money shell game, IMO. MT would have been the hired hit person, IMO. KM was the legal advisor and body disposal guy, IMO. Yes, there was a plan to end up on a beach. Towards the end, FD would have taken any warm body who had a plane ticket and a car. MOO.

 

[merrymary]

Marissa Alter
@MarissaAlter
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JUST IN: This Friday’s scheduled proceeding in the Fotis Dulos case has been pushed back to 2/13 in Stamford court.
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[Alkali13]

JUST IN: This Friday’s scheduled proceeding in the Fotis Dulos case has been pushed back to 2/13 in Stamford court.
@News12CT

That’s when the prosecution will move to dismiss the case and Attorney Norm Pattis will ask the court to consider continuing on to a trial despite the defendant’s death. Pattis has said he expects this to be denied, but intends to appeal.
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Meanwhile, Michelle Troconis’ next court appearance will still go forward Friday morning. She is expected to plead not guilty to the latest charge against her—conspiracy to commit murder.
@News12CT

Marissa Alter on Twitter

 

[MilanaCapricorn]

Sure no body murder cases can be won, but I don't think there is enough evidence here to support a murder conviction without a body or parts of it. I also don't like the word circumstantial because it defies the legal system, circumstantial evidence within in of itself is reasonable doubt. Furthermore I do not believe that the ME is unjustified, but I also would never put all of the weight of the world on one person, whomever that is. It's a piece in a puzzle, and it lends itself to the idea that she is most likely no longer alive, as does the disappearance in and of itself. I also am not shaming or blaming LE for not trying to find a body or parts of it, from what I have seen and read ( a lot of you tend to think I'm new here and so I don't really know whats going on, but I research heavily outside of this site and on it before I ever open my mouth or on this forum move my fingers). What I am saying is that truth is stranger than fiction, and until we have more concrete evidence, I think to speculate about someones behavior, missing paper towel rolls, among other things which could have completely separate explanations for them other than the death of JD doesn't help to derive the truth, in fact it clouds it. I think that if a body were burned, which some of you have theorized, it would take a substantial amount of fuel and time and most likely would be difficult to hide, plus if you were going to burn the body why in the world would you be not burning the other things you threw in the garbage? I also think dismemberment is plausible but highly unlikely, it would take tools, it would be messy, and then you would have to dispose of the body parts, and to my knowledge none have been located. If anyone knows and can tell me, I would like to know JD's timeline before she disappeared, what were her emails and text conversations about, who was last to see her? who was last to speak to her? what was the mileage on her vehicle? was she having any relationships? I think if there was a pool of blood in the garage it is safe to say something happened there, but by whom? and when? and why? and if so, who had the means and the time to take her whenever she is now? I understand that the DNA of all three were found on items thrown in the garbage, but as a single mother, I can come up with all kinds of reasons why certain things can appear to be something they are not. I think it's best to focus on the victim and her victimology.... if anyone has posted or has it could you repost here a map of the neighborhood... was there any surveillance taken around her home that LE has ? I'm assuming not, but I'm hoping they tried.

 

[merrymary]

Marissa Alter
@MarissaAlter
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Meanwhile, Michelle Troconis’ next court appearance will still go forward Friday morning. She is expected to plead not guilty to the latest charge against her—conspiracy to commit murder.
@News12CT

 

[waldojabba]

This. We all know FD seemed to have a need for control. I doubt he would've wanted to make that drive, in a truck he didn't own, with a body in the back or passenger seat. What if he was pulled over?


The window of time FD's movements are seemingly unaccounted for in NC that morning (between JFD's cell arriving on Lapham and the Tacoma being seen on the Merritt ~40 minutes later) seems like a plausible window for disposal, but I am still confused by JFD's cell phone being shut off right before the Tacoma is seen again.

If FD went to Lapham with the Suburban and put JFD's cell in the car (where it was later found), then left to dispose of JFD's body, why return to shut the phone off after?

Are we sure that her cell phone was found in the suburban parked at waveny? In an article posted yesterday it was indicated that the state may bill new canaan for the yellow labs they used in waveny to search for her cell phone, as well as the cadaver dogs. That would seem to indicate the phone was not found in the suburban. IMO

 

[MilanaCapricorn]

Yes - many bodies of water were searched and some more than once. Also at least one septic system that I know of. CT is very dense with woods and deep bodies of water. Also interesting to note, on the first arrest it was noted that FD was covered with a poison ivy rash.

See that would be interesting, especially if it was a fresh rash at the time. And if FD had been working near Poison Ivy? I wonder if any Forensic Botanist would know if there was a way to trace that back to a specific patch in a specific area, seems unlikely but plants also have genetic markers! either way probably too late now, which just makes it curious. What I wonder, is how could FD be so obvious about disposing of these bags all over, and they have video for that, and yet there is absolutely no sign of a body or tools or weapons being disposed of in the same amount of time, or along the same route? no purchases of items that one would most likely require but could have? something is way off about this and it stinks... so many questions

 

[Boxer]

Sure no body murder cases can be won, but I don't think there is enough evidence here to support a murder conviction without a body or parts of it. I also don't like the word circumstantial because it defies the legal system, circumstantial evidence within in of itself is reasonable doubt. Furthermore I do not believe that the ME is unjustified, but I also would never put all of the weight of the world on one person, whomever that is. It's a piece in a puzzle, and it lends itself to the idea that she is most likely no longer alive, as does the disappearance in and of itself. I also am not shaming or blaming LE for not trying to find a body or parts of it, from what I have seen and read ( a lot of you tend to think I'm new here and so I don't really know whats going on, but I research heavily outside of this site and on it before I ever open my mouth or on this forum move my fingers). What I am saying is that truth is stranger than fiction, and until we have more concrete evidence, I think to speculate about someones behavior, missing paper towel rolls, among other things which could have completely separate explanations for them other than the death of JD doesn't help to derive the truth, in fact it clouds it. I think that if a body were burned, which some of you have theorized, it would take a substantial amount of fuel and time and most likely would be difficult to hide, plus if you were going to burn the body why in the world would you be not burning the other things you threw in the garbage? I also think dismemberment is plausible but highly unlikely, it would take tools, it would be messy, and then you would have to dispose of the body parts, and to my knowledge none have been located. If anyone knows and can tell me, I would like to know JD's timeline before she disappeared, what were her emails and text conversations about, who was last to see her? who was last to speak to her? what was the mileage on her vehicle? was she having any relationships? I think if there was a pool of blood in the garage it is safe to say something happened there, but by whom? and when? and why? and if so, who had the means and the time to take her whenever she is now? I understand that the DNA of all three were found on items thrown in the garbage, but as a single mother, I can come up with all kinds of reasons why certain things can appear to be something they are not. I think it's best to focus on the victim and her victimology.... if anyone has posted or has it could you repost here a map of the neighborhood... was there any surveillance taken around her home that LE has ? I'm assuming not, but I'm hoping they tried.

Bloody paper towels among many other items covered in JFs blood found in the black bags that FD tossed on Albany area. Ties him to tbe crime.

 

[Jade]

I've been reading through thread after thread after thread and honestly some of the opinions and speculations are reaching and irrelevant IMOO. Could someone please just try and give me concrete evidence that JD is dead? not hearsay, not DNA on a bag? I think we forget that our emotions get the better of us and we are forgetting that the client/suspect/ FD is presumed innocent. They haven't found a body yet, and as far as I know, from the evidence they collected there isn't evidence of enough blood being lost belonging to JD to concretely say she should be presumed dead. Do I think she's dead? Yes. Does that matter? No. Do I think FD probably did it? Yes. Does that matter? NO!... It doesn't matter if they were going through a divorce, it doesn't matter if they got into arguments( millions upon millions of people go through the same and worse), and unfortunately any suspicious behavior and behaviors in the past are not proof beyond a reasonable doubt that JD was murdered let alone is deceased. I think all of the brilliant minds here, we would be more helpful to the investigation by using our skills to find out where she is, dead or alive, and then you work outward from there. I think if JD is a victim, than we owe it to her to find her and find out what actually happened. JUST A THOUGHT....also FD isn't on trial for murder, correct? Sorry to come off this way, just it gets a little frustrating to hear over and over again that someone is a lying ******* and murdered his wife when that is a big accusation that there is no concrete proof of... I would keep in mind that THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION HAS A GANG MENTALITY-STAY OBJECTIVE!

The presumption of innocence applies to the prosecution in a court of law.

That is a feature of the criminal justice process not internet forums.

WS is Tricia’s house and is a highly moderated discussion of opinions of MSM articles and released documents held to abiding by the WS TOS.

If after pages and pages of some of the most informed and well researched posts in the history of WS all that’s all come away with is that there are some reaching and irrelevant posts and why don’t we at WS find Jennifer’s body?

Like we are Law Enforcement?

WS is a discussion forum…

On the internet….


IMO

 

[MilanaCapricorn]

Multiple bodies of water have been searched that I am aware of, but the three I am immediately thinking of are not in NC. The three that immediately come to mind are the West Hartford reservoir, the Avon waterski club pond, and the Pound Ridge property lake. The reservoir is near FD's Famrington property, the ski club lake is somewhere FD frequented and they have a cell phone tower SW for, and the Pound Ridge property was previously owned by GF and about 15 minutes from Welles Lane.

@Alkali13
Do you know if these were searched? that's major!

Bloody paper towels among mantmy other items covered in JFs blood found in the black bags that FD tossed on Albany. Ties him to tbe crime.

@Boxer

And I'm curious what exact crime does it tie him to? is it impossible to have blood and items with your soon to be ex wife's DNA on it without the Commision of a crime? or is that impossible? or are you saying that the items disposed of and bloody paper towels equates to murder? is that the crime you are speaking of? or are you speaking of the crime that he is charged with? because then I would tend to agree... if you are disposing or concealing evidence in a crime investigation or of a crime, i'd agree to that, but I mean thats just MY OPINION.

 

[Boxer]

@Alkali13
Do you know if these were searched? that's major!



@Boxer

And I'm curious what exact crime does it tie him to? is it impossible to have blood and items with your soon to be ex wife's DNA on it without the Commision of a crime? or is that impossible? or are you saying that the items disposed of and bloody paper towels equates to murder? is that the crime you are speaking of? or are you speaking of the crime that he is charged with? because then I would tend to agree... if you are disposing or concealing evidence in a crime investigation or of a crime, i'd agree to that, but I mean thats just MY OPINION.

MOO I do not know exactly what you mean. Are you saying tbere is insufficient evidence to prove,JF death, or that FD can't be ties to what happened to her?

 

[SkylarSid]

See that would be interesting, especially if it was a fresh rash at the time. And if FD had been working near Poison Ivy? I wonder if any Forensic Botanist would know if there was a way to trace that back to a specific patch in a specific area, seems unlikely but plants also have genetic markers! either way probably too late now, which just makes it curious. What I wonder, is how could FD be so obvious about disposing of these bags all over, and they have video for that, and yet there is absolutely no sign of a body or tools or weapons being disposed of in the same amount of time, or along the same route? no purchases of items that one would most likely require but could have? something is way off about this and it stinks... so many questions

There has been talk of a knife that someone supposedly found in the garbage on Albany Av. at the time of the disappearance. I believe that was found with a bloody pillow and the person who found it said it was A LOT of blood. If LE has these items they have been quiet about it. Also there was interest in an ax that was in FDs garage, but I don't think much has been released about that.

 

[MilanaCapricorn]

The presumption of innocence applies to the prosecution in a court of law.

That is a feature of the criminal justice process not internet forums.

WS is Tricia’s house and is a highly moderated discussion of opinions of MSM articles and released documents held to abiding by the WS TOS.

If after pages and pages of some of the most informed and well researched posts in the history of WS all that’s all come away with is that there are some reaching and irrelevant posts and why don’t we at WS find Jennifer’s body?

Like we are Law Enforcement?

WS is a discussion forum…

On the internet….


IMO

The presumption of innocence is a civil right for a defendant, and the burden of proof is on the prosecution to be clear.
And, I am discussing, on the internet, which translates to social media and media, which LE does use to help solve crimes my opinion.
My opinion being, on the internet of course, and in real life, that it's prudent for people to think about the human rights of all people, and not let personal opinions and emotions cloud factual and legal judgement, the forum in of it self is speculative, but I speculate to find out what happened and to hopefully get justice for the victim, not to rant about my opinions about a person that I do not personally know, and are not progressive to whatever tradgedy I am discussing. Furthermore, I appreciate heavily the amount of dedicated insight and research done here, and I also know for a fact that LE has been helped on multiple occasions by websleuthers! With that being said, I also know that there are people in all fields here, some in LE and in the legal system, so I am not sure what the forum is for, if it is not out of the compassion of its members to be helpful and seek truth and justice...maybe you're just on here to be behind a computer and join a forum over the internet, but I am not. I care, and I care about what is relevant to the victim and the case, so excuse me for being frustrated at reading comments about peoples emotions that have absolutely nothing to do with the case in which I am interested in. I must be outta my mind...

 

[afitzy]

I believe a reasonable could presume that if JD were alive she would feel safe to come out of hiding knowing FD is not around. I would think her mother and her children would know of her whereabouts if she was alive. MOO.

Yes, so far as we have heard in MSM nobody has yet seen JFd show up in person at Probate Court in New Canaan/Darien and we know she didn't show up in Family Court when that case was dismissed as well following the Court's acceptance of Fd death.

The idea that a body is needed here to prosecute this case simply seems IMO to be antiquated in a day and age when forensic science has advance to the point that it has in 2020. Dr Gill will need to make his case and the associated experts from the Defense will respond accordingly as we have seen play out in cases many times in the past.

We saw Patrick Frazee for months be quoted for saying, "no body, no case" and we then saw precisely where this thinking got Patrick Frazee (life in prison w/o parole plus extra time added on if I recall!).

The idea of questioning anything/everything has value IMO and so many questions have been asked and sometimes they can be answered but sometimes they cannot.

MOO