Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #44

[spaz1959]

Per usual @MollyDDD, you are ON IT!

Been thinking about this and how MT might respond in her litigation following the death of Fd.

While I would hope that she might change her tune, I'm just not seeing her changing (in part because of the ongoing influence of Mama A).

But, it has to be sobering to see a former lover of many years and co-conspirator take their life rather than entertain the prospect of returning to jail.

Assuming MT is not too tranquillised to process recent events, I wonder if the Fd death might impact her?

I'm not confident anything will change. I keep going back to those pictures of MT dealing with LE while Fd stood back when CSP picked them up to go to Litchfield for DNA processing. MT dealt with the police and never once made any attempt to assist the investigation. MT has simply seemed cold and uncaring throughout this process and then when you layer on her relationship history and choices it seems that she is kindly someone that you could call, 'a piece of work'. I do also wonder whether she veers into the sociopath category and possibly shared this in common with Fd? Its been a long time since I've seen someone as uncaring about finding a missing/murdered person as we saw with MT. The AW3 comment from the computer consultant where MT seemed more concerned about saving or hiding her photos vs the consultants comments about how terrible it was that JFd was missing, I do think is quite telling as to the character and personality of MT as it seems she simply doesn't give a [REDACTED] about anyone other than herself.

Atty Bowman has said next to nothing in this case but he has utter 2x I think the phrase that, "MT has been cooperative". I'm not sure what to make of this as I'm not sure about how much control Atty Bowman has over his client or if he know or cares too much about what MT knows or did. Perhaps Atty Bowman is "ON IT" too and has a PI and has an alternative theory, but my bet is that MT is toast.

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  With loss of top defendant, focus to shift in Dulos case

MOO

I totally agree with you Afitzy, MT certainly has same lack of humanity as FD. My hope is that MT wakes up soon, and realizes she's been used. Used big time, and says to herself bs, and spills all that she knows on both FD and KM. I'm hoping for a "hell hath no fury, like a woman scorned".

 

[Boxer]

For sure I think the case is very compelling, and I'm sure anyone bringing a capital NO BODY murder case, had better be damn sure they know and are convinced of what they are doing. though I am advocating for the presumption of innocence and our 2nd constitutional right in general, I am human and I absolutely weigh in the circumstances and I can believe that it's probable he was involved in her disappearance, but I do not lean towards beyond a reasonable doubt. This reminds me of the Scott Peterson case. I was in school for forensic psychology at the time and I was advocating that they should have never charged him with murder, that the evidence was circumstantial and he shouldn't have been convicted, and I actually at the time believed he did it ( I had the entire class against me, screaming, yelling, that he was a monster etc etc etc, but I just didn't feel they proved that)...well looks like now he might not have done it, and this is exactly the point i'm trying to make. I think it reminds me of it, because the possibility that something else could have happened is there, that for me is reasonable doubt, and I think to charge or convict someone when there is even an inkling of doubt is a dangerous game we play with peoples lives all the time. The system is beautiful when it works, unfortunately it doesn't work that often. I would hate, for him to be aquitted of murder and then the body is found later on, and there is no way to charge him if he did do it again. Where is JD's Justice in that?

There are no longer capital charges in CT. CT ended with the death penalty in 2012.
In fact that is why all bails are monetary because the capital cases by the criminal code used to be automatically no bail. Without the capital all felonies allowed bail.

 

[spaz1959]

Per usual @MollyDDD, you are ON IT!

Been thinking about this and how MT might respond in her litigation following the death of Fd.

While I would hope that she might change her tune, I'm just not seeing her changing (in part because of the ongoing influence of Mama A).

But, it has to be sobering to see a former lover of many years and co-conspirator take their life rather than entertain the prospect of returning to jail.

Assuming MT is not too tranquillised to process recent events, I wonder if the Fd death might impact her?

I'm not confident anything will change. I keep going back to those pictures of MT dealing with LE while Fd stood back when CSP picked them up to go to Litchfield for DNA processing. MT dealt with the police and never once made any attempt to assist the investigation. MT has simply seemed cold and uncaring throughout this process and then when you layer on her relationship history and choices it seems that she is kindly someone that you could call, 'a piece of work'. I do also wonder whether she veers into the sociopath category and possibly shared this in common with Fd? Its been a long time since I've seen someone as uncaring about finding a missing/murdered person as we saw with MT. The AW3 comment from the computer consultant where MT seemed more concerned about saving or hiding her photos vs the consultants comments about how terrible it was that JFd was missing, I do think is quite telling as to the character and personality of MT as it seems she simply doesn't give a [REDACTED] about anyone other than herself.

Atty Bowman has said next to nothing in this case but he has utter 2x I think the phrase that, "MT has been cooperative". I'm not sure what to make of this as I'm not sure about how much control Atty Bowman has over his client or if he know or cares too much about what MT knows or did. Perhaps Atty Bowman is "ON IT" too and has a PI and has an alternative theory, but my bet is that MT is toast.

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  With loss of top defendant, focus to shift in Dulos case

MOO

I totally agree with you Afitzy, MT certainly has same lack of humanity as FD. My hope is that MT wakes up soon, and realizes she's been used. Used big time, and says to herself bs, and spills all that she knows on both FD and KM. I'm hoping for a "hell hath no fury, like a woman scorned".

 

[BellaVita]

I do not disagree that JD is most likely dead. What happened to her and how it happened are of massive importance in any case. I do not think there is sufficient evidence to tie FD to a murder or her murder specifically. I don't believe that the evidence they have is sufficient to say FD Murdered JD. I do think there is evidence to suggest that he deserves to remain a POI, and could later be useful if he is charged in her murder.

He was charged with MURDER on 1/7!
https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.tow...-11ea-845d-bfd3124a7453/5e14e1a421b22.pdf.pdf

 

[Jmoose]

Michelle Troconis, the 46-year-old Avon mother charged with conspiracy to commit murder in connection with the May 24 disappearance of Jennifer Farber Dulos, has a new lawyer.

Hartford attorney Jon L. Schoenhorn said Wednesday that he expects to put on an aggressive defense against the list of charges Troconis faces related to the death of Farber Dulos, a mother of five from New Canaan

Things have changed and we are going in a different direction,” Schoenhorn said. “She is innocent and we are going to be fighting these charges tooth and nail.”

Troconis, who was living with Farber Dulos’ estranged husband, Fotis Dulos at the time Farber Dulos went missing, was charged last month with conspiracy to commit murder. She also has pleaded not guilty to charges of tampering with evidence and hindering prosecution. She is currently free after posting a total of $2.1 million in bonds. Her next court appearance is Friday.


At a Feb. 13 hearing in Superior Court, Stamford/Norwalk State’s Attorney Richard Colangelo is expected to ask a judge to dismiss the murder charges against Dulos because he died last week after attempting to kill himself with carbon monoxide poisoning from vehicle exhaust inside the garage of his Farmington home.

‘If it takes my head to end this, so be it.’ Note found with Fotis Dulos on day of suicide attempt proclaims his innocence »
Schoenhorn has already filed a motion seeking to have Troconis’ criminal cases transferred from Stamford Superior Court to Hartford, where he says the crimes are alleged to have occurred. He said he will seek a bond modification for Troconis since she is currently under house arrest...

“I have no idea who agreed to have the first two cases in Stamford in the first place since the first case occurred in Hartford and the second case in Avon,” Schoenhorn said.

Michelle Troconis, alleged accomplice in murder of Jennifer Farber Dulos, hires new attorney who signals aggressive defense against charges

Well, well, well...who walked-Bowman or Troconis?

 

[BUF]

Well, well, well...who walked-Bowman or Troconis?

thats what I’m wondering

 

[Boxer]

What exactly am I blaming the victim of? Her victimology and what she was doing and her last movements are very crucial to the case and her being found and getting justice. How you equate that with shaming her is beyond me?It doesn't matter what she was doing no matter what people may find distastful, its not a reason for anyone to be harmed or killed, so trying to understand what happened is the opposite of shaming the victim...maybe it's because I'm from NYC, or maybe its the over all culture of society nowadays but people need to relax, and FYI on WS you're not supposed to defame, blame or shame any POI either, however I don't see people getting much slack about that. IMO.

MOO her last movements were well established. Taking children to school, returning to get ready to go to an appointment in NYC.

 

[Boxer]

Well, well, well...who walked-Bowman or Troconis?

Paywall : (

 

[Jade]

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[BUF]

Bowman said a written agreement with the state’s attorney office requires any materials to be returned to that office.

Schoenhorn asked the court to have the material transmitted directly to his office “without the necessity of requiring a ‘middle man.’”

Michelle Troconis’ new attorney wants trial moved in Jennifer Dulos case

 

[BUF]

In documents filed in Stamford Superior Court on Wednesday, Troconis’ new attorney, Jon L. Schoenhorn, of Hartford, asked the court to transfer prosecution from the Stamford-Norwalk Judicial District to the Judicial District of Hartford.

“The Stamford-Norwalk Judicial District is saturated with the New York City media market, the chances of prejudicial publicity are greater in Stamford, which has little nexis to the crimes charged, of the defendant than the proper judicial district, namely Hartford,” Schoenhorn wrote in his motion.

Michelle Troconis’ new attorney wants trial moved in Jennifer Dulos case

 

[Boxer]

In documents filed in Stamford Superior Court on Wednesday, Troconis’ new attorney, Jon L. Schoenhorn, of Hartford, asked the court to transfer prosecution from the Stamford-Norwalk Judicial District to the Judicial District of Hartford.

“The Stamford-Norwalk Judicial District is saturated with the New York City media market, the chances of prejudicial publicity are greater in Stamford, which has little nexis to the crimes charged, of the defendant than the proper judicial district, namely Hartford,” Schoenhorn wrote in his motion.

Michelle Troconis’ new attorney wants trial moved in Jennifer Dulos case

Interesting: the evidence in an evidence tampering arrest has "little nexis" to the crimes charged.

MOO The only nexis evidence has is to the crime it is connected to.

 

[spaz1959]

Well, well, well...who walked-Bowman or Troconis?

Now, it's getting interesting. Take FD down!

 

[Ruminations]

Sure no body murder cases can be won, but I don't think there is enough evidence here to support a murder conviction without a body or parts of it. I also don't like the word circumstantial because it defies the legal system, circumstantial evidence within in of itself is reasonable doubt. Furthermore I do not believe that the ME is unjustified, but I also would never put all of the weight of the world on one person, whomever that is. It's a piece in a puzzle, and it lends itself to the idea that she is most likely no longer alive, as does the disappearance in and of itself. I also am not shaming or blaming LE for not trying to find a body or parts of it, from what I have seen and read ( a lot of you tend to think I'm new here and so I don't really know whats going on, but I research heavily outside of this site and on it before I ever open my mouth or on this forum move my fingers). What I am saying is that truth is stranger than fiction, and until we have more concrete evidence, I think to speculate about someones behavior, missing paper towel rolls, among other things which could have completely separate explanations for them other than the death of JD doesn't help to derive the truth, in fact it clouds it. I think that if a body were burned, which some of you have theorized, it would take a substantial amount of fuel and time and most likely would be difficult to hide, plus if you were going to burn the body why in the world would you be not burning the other things you threw in the garbage? I also think dismemberment is plausible but highly unlikely, it would take tools, it would be messy, and then you would have to dispose of the body parts, and to my knowledge none have been located. If anyone knows and can tell me, I would like to know JD's timeline before she disappeared, what were her emails and text conversations about, who was last to see her? who was last to speak to her? what was the mileage on her vehicle? was she having any relationships? I think if there was a pool of blood in the garage it is safe to say something happened there, but by whom? and when? and why? and if so, who had the means and the time to take her whenever she is now? I understand that the DNA of all three were found on items thrown in the garbage, but as a single mother, I can come up with all kinds of reasons why certain things can appear to be something they are not. I think it's best to focus on the victim and her victimology.... if anyone has posted or has it could you repost here a map of the neighborhood... was there any surveillance taken around her home that LE has ? I'm assuming not, but I'm hoping they tried.

Circumstantial evidence often leaves no reasonable doubt. On the other hand direct evidence might.

For example, if I walked my dog at 9:30 on a winters evening, and there is no snow on the ground, but the sky is cloudy, and the temperature is below freezing, then I wake up to walk the dog at 7:00 AM, the sky is bright and sunny, and there is a foot of snow on the ground.

I ask my neighbor, and she says she was up all night and never saw it snow or heard it snow.

what do I believe, the direct witness that it did not snow, or the circumstantial evidence that it did snow? What does a jury believe?

We can be certain beyond a reasonable doubt of many, many things, based on circumstantial evidence. And direct evidence is not always incontrovertible.

 

[BUF]

Interesting... on his website under criminal defense he lists money laundering.

Attorney Jon L Schoenhorn & Associates, LLC

 

[BUF]

Now, it's getting interesting. Take FD down!

I don’t get the feeling that this new one is interested in a plea bargain...well at least right now.

 

[pseudo_hum]

Considering MT's predicament:
Based upon the evidence I have been able to review:
Her tampering charge seems solid, but I am not seeing the conspiracy charge. That seems like it has some holes. MOO

 

[spaz1959]

I don’t get the feeling that this new one is interested in a plea bargain...well at least right now.

I believe a plea will come. Otherwise MT is toast.

 

[RoosterRock]

See that would be interesting, especially if it was a fresh rash at the time. And if FD had been working near Poison Ivy? I wonder if any Forensic Botanist would know if there was a way to trace that back to a specific patch in a specific area, seems unlikely but plants also have genetic markers! either way probably too late now, which just makes it curious. What I wonder, is how could FD be so obvious about disposing of these bags all over, and they have video for that, and yet there is absolutely no sign of a body or tools or weapons being disposed of in the same amount of time, or along the same route? no purchases of items that one would most likely require but could have? something is way off about this and it stinks... so many questions

I agree, something is off with no weapons, or tools found, although there was talk of an Ax? maybe they are with the body.
Possible pre-dug grave near the JDF murder site. He did own that other property nearby in New Canaan.
There were rumblings at some point about FD getting outside help....MT really needs to disclose what she knows. I hope LE will work to get her some kind of a deal to confess what she knows.....she would still do jail time just not as much 10 years vs 20??
IMO

 

[BellaVita]

I agree, something is off with no weapons, or tools found, although there was talk of an Ax? maybe they are with the body.
Possible pre-dug grave near the JDF murder site. He did own that other property nearby in New Canaan.
There were rumblings at some point about FD getting outside help....MT really needs to disclose what she knows. I hope LE will work to get her some kind of a deal to confess what she knows.....she would still do jail time just not as much 10 years vs 20??
IMO

Sturbridge, the NC property is VERY unlikely to be involved. EE was there all day. IMO.