Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #44

[kaen]

Rather than unraveling, I think she has stopped being a church mouse and is taking charge of her case.

I think she has realized that she needed an aggressive attorney who was not afraid to call the court out on "injustices" placed on her. My guess is that this is a change that Pattis and her family encouraged. Being quiet and compliant is not her thing anymore. She thinks she has to hit back and not be victimized by these charges. It definitely is a strategy.

 

[Jmoose]

@SabinaKuriakose
Schoenhorn says the conditions of Troconis's house arrest prevent her from being able to find a job, and alleges some aspects serve only to humiliate and punish her.

It's simple, MT. Spill it. Depending on what you did and what you'll admit to, you may live to have a career and perhaps even another shady Starbucks date with a handsome, waterskiing sociopath. You can get a job in prison. You're a socialite, correct? Surely you'll make lots of new friends. Do something decent and wise for a change and talk. Do your time. Then you can go back to selling those hideous rain boots. JMO[/QUOTE]

Why can’t she sell those hideous rugs online, from her “little condo”? Does her arrest warrant preclude buyers from coming there to pick them up?

 

[MemPat]

Rather than unraveling, I think she has stopped being a church mouse and is taking charge of her case.

Her mother may be taking charge of her case but I think MT may be a bit too stoned to participate.

 

[afitzy]

the state would not be out 6 million though would it? Wouldn't the bond company need to pay? The Bond Company is the one that has made a promise to the court to pay if FD absconded. Of course, it could argue that the bond was not valid, but the point is, they (the bond company) have made a promise to the court. I cannot see how the State would be a victim? Can someone explain please?

I'd refer you to the brilliantly clear email written by the whistleblower to Atty Colangelo which was posted previously and is included as part of the bond information posted.

The ultimate party here is Palmetto and Palmetto based on the brilliant due diligence of the whistleblower ascertained that this entity doesn't have sufficient reserves to make payment on a $6.0 million bond should it be required by the State of CT.

So, yes the State of CT would be 'out' if they made a demand to Palmetto and Palmetto said 'sorry I don't have the cash/capital/resources to meet your request'.

Did you also see that the actual certificate issued by Palmetto for the bond referenced the involved State as being the State of Florida and Country of Fairfield. Did Palmetto even realise they were doing a bond deal in CT? Further, did you see the quality of the overall application in terms of incomplete information of almost every party to the bond? Look at the AC stated assets and liabilities and tell me that you would lend her $3 million on an unsecured basis? If you do please let me know and I've got a very large broken down bridge in NY to sell you!

Little about the package IMO inspired confidence and I'm not sure why it was accepted by the Court and Atty Colangelo.

MOO

 

[MemPat]

Where is NP today? He surely is quiet.

Speaking to his ghost writer. Gotta' get that book released before the story grows cold.
MOO

 

[afitzy]

The same could be said if the bond was valid though, no? If he committed another crime, his bond would have been revoked and he would be sent to jail. What we are talking about here is whether the state would be a victim because the bond was invalid. I say not, because the I bond was still in force until the court revoked it.

I think you are missing the key point that Palmetto itself was looking to pull the bond as it realised there was insufficient collateral. IMO they were also doing this because they never should have written the bond in the first place as they, according to the whistleblower, didn't have sufficient cash reserves to make good on the payment. Rather that addressing the issue of their financial lack of strength it was easier to point to the fraudulent statements made in the bond package and void the bond that way.

Palmetto is not a global powerhouse financial services/insurance company and if you look at its ownership and capital its a very small privately owned company that IMO and the opinion of the whistleblower had no business issuing a bond for $6million in this case. Suggest a simple google stroll on the topic of Palmetto will tell you everything you need to know about whether they have the financial ability to make good on a $6 million bond. Fd didn't disclose the status of his assets and the AC situation is IMO highly suspect as well and the Atty. P. PI didn't even provide any financial information in his application.

MOO

 

[acutename]

Have there been any recent discussions on FD's family trying to get his name cleared? I found a lot of that stuff pretty disturbing. That FD was a hard working achiever:

"Suicide – the last word anyone who knew Fotis would associate with him. Caring and nurturing father, son, brother, and uncle, achiever, hard worker, fighter, loyal friend, accomplished sportsman, book worm, a great cook, unparalleled host. This was Fotis. He would walk into a room and immediately light it up. He was the man everyone wanted to befriend.

"Fotis was a loving man much loved by those who actually knew him.

"We, the family of this great man, feel let down by the State that pursued and harassed him and us relentlessly and with no mercy, without ever giving him or us a chance to speak our truth and to share, with a world that was too quick to call him a monster, our story. We feel devastated that a man, only 52 years of age, found himself in a dead-end where he saw taking his own life as the only way to be granted peace. We are enraged with the Media that used him to make sensationalistic headlines, thus manipulating public opinion; the Media abandoned the presumption of innocence, seeming heedless of the effect its reporting would have on the children in this case. We are shocked at how Law Enforcement obsessively focused with speculation and circumstantial evidence on an innocent man and turned their back on finding the real perpetrator of this tragedy, who is now at large, still a threat to public safety. Words are not enough to describe our thoughts, emotions, and sorrow....." ...

BBM
"book worm"
what books was FD reading?
really curious about that

 

[isabella88]

Rather than unraveling, I think she has stopped being a church mouse and is taking charge of her case.

Interesting opinion! MT never struck me as a timid person. She may be silent and stone-faced now that's she's in trouble, but IMO she lived quite audaciously. The fact that she moved into the Dulos family home so brazenly, slipped right into business at the Fore Group and flaunted her relationship with FD, including on social media. I guess it's just a difference of perspective/opinion. JMO

 

[sds71]

interview with MTs new attorney
http://connecticut.news12.com/story/41663964/suspect-in-jennifer-dulos-case-hires-new-attorney

 

[Jmoose]

Yes, she wants to be able to 'go out' with her daughter when her daughter visits her.

Really? Trips to the mall under house arrest?

MOO

It appears that MT does not understand what “house arrest” means. Can she actually be this stupid?

 

[AbbyG]

For sure I think the case is very compelling, and I'm sure anyone bringing a capital NO BODY murder case, had better be damn sure they know and are convinced of what they are doing. though I am advocating for the presumption of innocence and our 2nd constitutional right in general, I am human and I absolutely weigh in the circumstances and I can believe that it's probable he was involved in her disappearance, but I do not lean towards beyond a reasonable doubt. This reminds me of the Scott Peterson case. I was in school for forensic psychology at the time and I was advocating that they should have never charged him with murder, that the evidence was circumstantial and he shouldn't have been convicted, and I actually at the time believed he did it ( I had the entire class against me, screaming, yelling, that he was a monster etc etc etc, but I just didn't feel they proved that)...well looks like now he might not have done it, and this is exactly the point i'm trying to make. I think it reminds me of it, because the possibility that something else could have happened is there, that for me is reasonable doubt, and I think to charge or convict someone when there is even an inkling of doubt is a dangerous game we play with peoples lives all the time. The system is beautiful when it works, unfortunately it doesn't work that often. I would hate, for him to be aquitted of murder and then the body is found later on, and there is no way to charge him if he did do it again. Where is JD's Justice in that?

If you are going to compare FD to Scott Peterson -- a guilty man declared guilty and only fringe conspiracy theorists and those who practice daily denial think this man is not guilty of murdering his wife. You are a defense attorney's dream. An "inkling" of doubt sounds like unreasonable doubt. You seem to have unreasonable skepticism. There is rarely 100% certain of anything and if all jurors were like you, we would have far more Casey Anthonys and OJ Simpsons. I agree it tragic when an innocent person is convicted, but that is usually a matter of racism, faulty eye witnesses, and corruption. That wasn't going on here. A good shave with Occam's Razor might reveal some obvious truths. MOO.

 

[Tink56]

Have there been any recent discussions on FD's family trying to get his name cleared? I found a lot of that stuff pretty disturbing. That FD was a hard working achiever:

"Suicide – the last word anyone who knew Fotis would associate with him. Caring and nurturing father, son, brother, and uncle, achiever, hard worker, fighter, loyal friend, accomplished sportsman, book worm, a great cook, unparalleled host. This was Fotis. He would walk into a room and immediately light it up. He was the man everyone wanted to befriend.

"Fotis was a loving man much loved by those who actually knew him.

"We, the family of this great man, feel let down by the State that pursued and harassed him and us relentlessly and with no mercy, without ever giving him or us a chance to speak our truth and to share, with a world that was too quick to call him a monster, our story. We feel devastated that a man, only 52 years of age, found himself in a dead-end where he saw taking his own life as the only way to be granted peace. We are enraged with the Media that used him to make sensationalistic headlines, thus manipulating public opinion; the Media abandoned the presumption of innocence, seeming heedless of the effect its reporting would have on the children in this case. We are shocked at how Law Enforcement obsessively focused with speculation and circumstantial evidence on an innocent man and turned their back on finding the real perpetrator of this tragedy, who is now at large, still a threat to public safety. Words are not enough to describe our thoughts, emotions, and sorrow....."

In reality, he was a ruthless, cold blooded, greedy, abusive, small hearted phony, who lived off the illusions he sought to create of himself as a successful businessman and father. Everyone who worked for him disliked his arrogant cut-throat practices. It is impossible to clear the name of someone who was so morally defective, cold hearted and greedy! Everyone with the smallest portion of a brain believes he killed JD. He plagued the state and towns where he operated out of with fear, deep sorrow, utter disgust; shackling communities in CT with the need to clean up disasters he created. FD was one of the most evil people the state of CT has seen.

In the recent NP radio interview he stated that he wanted to go forward with case as did Rena. Rena wants "vindicate the family."

Don't know if it's too big a leap to say that her family feels tarnished because of the media accounts about JFd's death, etc. Understandably the family is shocked and traumatized, but I do think family and pride is very important to them.

 

[Alathea]

IMO, I think the OP is referring to the opinion of the ME who was shown the evidence gathered during the investigation, where he said something along the lines of, the person who sustained these injuries/lost this amount of blood, would have died without medical intervention. Following the OPs thinking, there is immediate doubt here. It is just one opinion and is not concrete proof. Say for instance there was a trial, i have no doubt that defence counsel would produce their own expert to counter/denounce/provide an alternative opinion.

Hi Nikynoo. Not sure about in the UK, but here, the opinion of the ME is not "just one opinion" that would be met with "immediate doubt," as you have stated.

On the contrary: in a trial, the statement from such an individual is considered expert testimony or expert evidence from a witness with knowledge and/or training beyond that of the average person; it's someone who has the expertise and specialized knowledge sufficient that others can legally rely upon their statement.

Further, the expert is hired for their independent professional judgement, not for any biased or personal opinion.

This post, however, is my personal opinion.

 

[afitzy]

It appears that MT does not understand what “house arrest” means. Can she actually be this stupid?

IDK, but the facts of this sorry case speak to many things about MT IMO! Take your pick!

I think I'm going to call the new atty's motion the 'Entitlement Motion' as that seems to be what it is. So many folks in CT don't have the option of bail or bond as they simply can't afford it. MT is blessed to have the cash to be able to sit in her 'small condo' but at least she doesn't have to be in jail.

Perhaps if MT had sat in Niantic for 7 months and didn't have the financial wherewithal to post bond then she might perhaps have a different perspective? Somehow I doubt it.

Very much hope to see Judge White on the bench for this discussion in Court.

MOO

 

[acutename]

a Not Guilty Tie? Is this subtle subliminal?
Defying the GAG order right out of the gate.

maybe it was a gift

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[isabella88]

maybe it was a gift

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I bet OJ has one in his closet.

 

[CTGrammy]

"She lives in a small condo."
Is that supposed to paint her sympathically?
Can her daughter visit her?

House arrest for a conspiracy/murder arrest seems fair and constitutional.

Since When is MT's daughter not able to visit?

Yes, MT is now on full house arrest, but that does not prevent her from having her daughter in CT.

The child just spent Two Weeks with her mother in CT over the winter break.

MT is the one that Sent her daughter away. LE had noting to do with it.

In December, MT's Attorney Bowman Petitioned the Court so that MT could travel to NYC and pick up her daughter at JFK.

Still not sure Why that was approved when MamaA, PapaT, and SisterT have been in and around CT for some time and any one of Them could have picked up the child at JFK.

Back in June 2019, Attorney Bowman Petitioned the Court to allow MT to be a house guest of a friend in New York for about 3 weeks and it was Approved. She came back after one day though, Without Anyone Informing Colangelo.

The bottom line, is that CT has Allowed these events to take place and there is No Problem if MT wants her daughter to return to CT.

IMO.

 

[Ruminations]

I think Troconis’s attorney has some fair points. There should be a reason for substance testing. There should be a released argument of her being a danger to the community. It is hard to believe the State found her more dangerous after AW3 compared to AW2. I don’t have any issue with her working, but I doubt CT does either. If she asks, they’d probably allow it in state.

I would agree that it might be fair to allow her the run of the State again might be reasonable. Depends what happens with similar defendants.

I don’t know if it’s fair to claim that CT is trying to punish, but if yes, that is not right prior to conviction.

On the other hand, it is hard to argue she’s not a flight risk. She has international ties. Her family is only visiting CT. By all appearances she only moved to CT herself to follow a man she called her ex and now he’s also dead. Bail reduces temptation to flee. The bracelet makes fleeing harder, monitoring easier, and could be moved to let the mark heal.

I don’t understand his point about her mention in Fotis’ last “all about poor me,” message. How is it exculpatory info regarding conspiracy? I think it only tells us about the subject of note: it’s author.

Troconis clearly did not give LE help locating Jennifer. I suspect she knows where she is, but even if she does not, she did not give answers to LE that could have helped them tighten the radius.

It is distasteful to talk about separation from her daughter, given her failure to help find Jennifer, to put it mildly. But I would consider some release conditions, if I were a judge. I would consider changes in whether she has to stay in her home, and whether she has to comply with drug testing, if her conditions are different from others.

MOO (Im ducking- I know she makes a lot of us angry, including me, and for good reason. Please don’t throw too much at me!)

 

[Southernsnooper]

@SabinaKuriakose
SCHOENHORN: Conditions of Troconis house arrest are unconstitutional, she lives in small condo and can't visit her 15 year old daughter

So sorry, she should’ve thought of those repercussions from day one when she chose to be uncooperative with LE (even now), she wrote and repeatedly spewed false alibis, went willingly on the trash dump, lied to LE for months, played musical phones on 24 May between 4jc and 80 ms, helped clean blood from the Tacoma, took EE’s car keys and drove away with them, followed Fotis to the car wash and LE has bucket loads more to nail her.

No special treatment should be offered to a person whom clearly cares nothing about 5 other children that can’t be with their mother.

She changed attorneys as she knows she’s going to have to trade-in her designer clothing for a lovely, orange jumpsuit! Moo

 

[Jmoose]

I think Troconis’s attorney has some fair points. There should be a reason for substance testing. There should be a released argument of her being a danger to the community. It is hard to believe the State found her more dangerous after AW3 compared to AW2. I don’t have any issue with her working, but I doubt CT does either. If she asks, they’d probably allow it in state.

I would agree that it might be fair to allow her the run of the State again might be reasonable. Depends what happens with similar defendants.

I don’t know if it’s fair to claim that CT is trying to punish, but if yes, that is not right prior to conviction.

On the other hand, it is hard to argue she’s not a flight risk. She has international ties. Her family is only visiting CT. By all appearances she only moved to CT herself to follow a man she called her ex and now he’s also dead. Bail reduces temptation to flee. The bracelet makes fleeing harder, monitoring easier, and could be moved to let the mark heal.

I don’t understand his point about her mention in Fotis’ last “all about poor me,” message. How is it exculpatory info regarding conspiracy? I think it only tells us about the subject of note: it’s author.

Troconis clearly did not give LE help locating Jennifer. I suspect she knows where she is, but even if she does not, she did not give answers to LE that could have helped them tighten the radius.

It is distasteful to talk about separation from her daughter, given her failure to help find Jennifer, to put it mildly. But I would consider some release conditions, if I were a judge. I would consider changes in whether she has to stay in her home, and whether she has to comply with drug testing, if her conditions are different from others.

MOO (Im ducking- I know she makes a lot of us angry, including me, and for good reason. Please don’t throw too much at me!)

How will she get to work? She doesn’t have a car