Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #51

[Morgan10028]

The following video from the Hartford Courant is an enlarged version of the some of the videos about the license plate drop. The truck stops....there is a pause before doors open...(conversation inside?). Then both doors open as FD puts something into the street side container.

Notice that MT's open door is blocking the view of the storm drain. FD quickly walks over and puts the license in the drain with his body blocking the view from the other direction....MT gets back into cab of truck and FD closes the door. It all certainly looks planned and orchestrated to block the storm drain drop. (Which I still can't figure out...) It's very difficult for me to believe that MT had no idea what was going on...just saying.

Video shows Fotis Dulos dropping a FedEx package into a storm drain in Hartford, state police says

MOO...JMO

I have always thought the same about Troconis opening her door. She did so to block the license plate drop MOO. She certainly saw FD drop the box in the sewer drain, and didn’t ask him questions? Knew nothing about it? She clearly wasn’t on the phone or texting at the moment the box was dropped, though she doesn’t seem inspired to tell the truth about any of her actions.

Same goes for taking EE’s keys on the driveway of 80 MS. Why did you take the keys? “I don’t know. I took the keys ok. I took the keys and I left”. Have to do better than that MT.

I think Schoenhorn decided to drop the videos to the media along with his narrative and thought it would work. For me, it shows her complicity. MOO

 

[CTGrammy]

DBM. Redundant.

 

[LosAngeles]

I am with you...he is selectively sharing, at best. If I was MT, I wouldn’t counter with anything right now. There are a lot of questions to ponder in his 2.5 hour statement. Like you, I do not believe that May 23 was an impromptu meeting that suddenly cropped up while those three were having dinner together, and I don’t believe he (KM) tried to talk them out of anything. There is a good reason why KM ran when he found out that his arrest was imminent

I agree, he's selectively sharing, although, why would KM withhold any information at this point? Unless he was super complicit (i.e. disposed of the body). Doesn't make sense why he doesn't speak up, especially since FD is gone. Let the Games Begin!

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I have always thought the same about Troconis opening her door. She did so to block the license plate drop MOO. She certainly saw FD drop the box in the sewer drain, and didn’t ask him questions? Knew nothing about it? She clearly wasn’t on the phone or texting at the moment the box was dropped, though she doesn’t seem inspired to tell the truth about any of her actions.

Same goes for taking EE’s keys on the driveway of 80 MS. Why did you take the keys? “I don’t know. I took the keys ok. I took the keys and I left”. Have to do better than that MT.

I think Schoenhorn decided to drop the videos to the media along with his narrative and thought it would work. For me, it shows her complicity. MOO

Why do you suppose he put it in a storm drain? That just seems like such a weird place and certainly unusual, meaning anyone seeing it would wonder as well. MOO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Tyvek suit? Creepy. Don't recall hearing about this but it's been a while.

Such suits are used in construction at times like when environmental studies are underway. It wouldn’t have been unusual for FD to buy or have one as a result but anyone can buy one regardless. Wasn’t he a frequent shopper at Home Depot or Lowe’s? MOO.

 

[Seattle1]

Maybe I'm misremembering but wasn't it reported that on the date Jennifer vanished, KM arrived early at 4 JCross for an alleged meeting with his client FD and he was left waiting together with MT inside the Fore Group home office where MT would not answer the phone(s)?

I think FD said he conveniently forgot his phone at the office that day. I want to say this about MT and KM waiting in the office surfaced after MT confessed to lying about FD being home and in the shower with her in the early morning.

Also, think MT was using KM as part of her alibi that morning when in fact they were probably both waiting for their leader FD to report to them that Jennifer was dead.

Nonetheless, I'm sure KM's video cooperation is part truth, part omission. I just hope there's enough to counter the "he said," "she said.."

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

I just learned about a very old missing person 2012 case after watching 20/20 A Tangled Web --the espisode broadcast date Dec 4, 2020. This was a no-body case conviction by a bench trial. The unanimous supreme court decision affirming the conviction and sentence is a very interesting read for anybody interested in "no-body" murder convictions.

Deceased/Not Found - NE - Cari Farver, 38, Omaha, 13 Nov 2012 *S. Golyar guilty*

 

[HopeForTheBest]

401(k), Assurance Purposes?
“Blawie denied Pattis’ request to have his law firm take control of Fotis Dulos’ 401(k) for assurance purposes.”*

Is there more context to "assurance purposes." Assuring what? To whose protection or benefit?
Perhaps a link to pdf/image of Pattis' request, or another article discussing the request? TiA.
Sorry for jumping in w questions about early events in a long running case.

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* Fotis Dulos out on bail; prosecutor says his DNA found in Jennifer Dulos’ home June 2019 article, Fotis still alive.

I am so sorry but as I’m not a lawyer, I never know the answer to questions like these so I can’t help! MOO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I completely agree! I had to watch most of it to find the part about the 401k and noticed the exact same thing! FD’s eyes bulge at the States new revelations and he’s deep in thought. You can almost see his eyes going back and forth retracing his steps.

Hearing Pattis’ “we’re ready for trial” speech at the end was comical. Couldn’t help but think that the Troconis family thought they were getting a Pattis in Schoenhorn...and might want their money back after this week. MOO

He never thought they’d find out—which is beyond arrogant and beyond stupid. If only they had realized they could not, would not outsmart LE, they might have come to their senses and not murdered JFD. It’s sickening. MOO.

 

[LosAngeles]

Why do you suppose he put it in a storm drain? That just seems like such a weird place and certainly unusual, meaning anyone seeing it would wonder as well. MOO.

Storm drains are intended to carry rainwater from roadways into local waterways (rivers and/or oceans) not for dumping (an environmental "no-no"), so he most likely tossed the plates in the storm drain knowing it was off to the Connecticut River and beyond and never to be found!

 

[jakat]

Maybe I'm misremembering but wasn't it reported that on the date Jennifer vanished, KM arrived early at 4 JCross for an alleged meeting with his client FD and he was left waiting together with MT inside the Fore Group home office where MT would not answer the phone(s)?

I think FD said he conveniently forgot his phone at the office that day. I want to say this about MT and KM waiting in the office surfaced after MT confessed to lying about FD being home and in the shower with her in the early morning.

Also, think MT was using KM as part of her alibi that morning when in fact they were probably both waiting for their leader FD to report to them that Jennifer was dead.

Nonetheless, I'm sure KM's video cooperation is part truth, part omission. I just hope there's enough to counter the "he said," "she said.."

MOO

In the warrant it states that MT said KM was there at 7:30 a.m. It also states that KM's phone pinged in the 4jx area. KM was also included in the Alibi Scripts. MT said FD left his phone at home according to the warrant.

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Is there more context to "assurance purposes." Assuring what? To whose protection or benefit?

^^rsbm

Actually, there is but it's really moot point now. FD committed fraud when he completed his bond application with surety -- lied about his collateral.

NP's assurance in court was most likely NP attempting to position the value of the IRA as collateral for security interest for what was yet to come (i.e., emergency bond hearing on date FD attempted suicide).

At this time, NP was probably also worried about his own security interest as FD had not made good on a deposit yet. However, FD did eventually make the retainer payment in January -- shortly before his demise -- and NP kept it, but that's yet another subject in this complicated case!

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

In the warrant it states that MT said KM was there at 7:30 a.m. It also states that KM's phone pinged in the 4jx area. KM was also included in the Alibi Scripts. MT said FD left his phone at home according to the warrant.

MOO

Brilliant -- thank you @jakat for reminding me that this was written in the AW!

 

[Seattle1]

I agree, he's selectively sharing, although, why would KM withhold any information at this point? Unless he was super complicit (i.e. disposed of the body). Doesn't make sense why he doesn't speak up, especially since FD is gone. Let the Games Begin!

It appears to me that KM's plea deal negotiations are happening in baby steps.

As an attorney, it makes sense that he's giving some and receiving some (i.e., reduced bail to get out of jail to see his father).

He'd be a fool to completely incriminate himself (telling all) without the rest of his bargain put in place (i.e., reduced charges or sentence recommendation that will be presented to a judge).

Colangelo is also handling this brilliantly. He can't give the foghorn AS what does not exist and he knew that AS would be making anything given to him available to the media at the first break! AS is very easy to read...

The public shouldn't see what KM agreed to share until after it's used to convict MT.

This is the State making a deal with the devil -- we are going to need to be patient.

MOO

 

[jakat]

Brilliant -- thank you @jakat for reminding me that this was written in the AW!

Your welcome, Seattle.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

It appears to me that KM's plea deal negotiations are happening in baby steps.

As an attorney, it makes sense that he's giving some and receiving some (i.e., reduced bail to get out of jail to see his father).

He'd be a fool to completely incriminate himself (telling all) without the rest of his bargain put in place (i.e., reduced charges or sentence recommendation that will be presented to a judge).

Colangelo is also handling this brilliantly. He can't give the foghorn AS what does not exist and he knew that AS would be making anything given to him available to the media at the first break! AS is very easy to read...

The public shouldn't see what KM agreed to share until after it's used to convict MT.

This is the State making a deal with the devil -- we are going to need to be patient.

MOO

Thank you so much for explaining this! I feel much better!

 

[Jmoose]

I agree, he's selectively sharing, although, why would KM withhold any information at this point? Unless he was super complicit (i.e. disposed of the body). Doesn't make sense why he doesn't speak up, especially since FD is gone. Let the Games Begin!

I think he was complicit enough for his information re: MT to be important. I just do not believe that he refused to be FD’s alibi, and I do not believe that he thought he successfully talked FD out of killing Jennifer. I think he has plenty of good information, and I think MT and her lawyer know it.

 

[Jmoose]

Maybe I'm misremembering but wasn't it reported that on the date Jennifer vanished, KM arrived early at 4 JCross for an alleged meeting with his client FD and he was left waiting together with MT inside the Fore Group home office where MT would not answer the phone(s)?

I think FD said he conveniently forgot his phone at the office that day. I want to say this about MT and KM waiting in the office surfaced after MT confessed to lying about FD being home and in the shower with her in the early morning.

Also, think MT was using KM as part of her alibi that morning when in fact they were probably both waiting for their leader FD to report to them that Jennifer was dead.

Nonetheless, I'm sure KM's video cooperation is part truth, part omission. I just hope there's enough to counter the "he said," "she said.."

MOO

I bet we all concur with this

 

[al66pine]

Retainer for Pattis.

^^rsbm Actually, there is but it's really moot point now. FD committed fraud when he completed his bond application with surety -- lied about his collateral.
NP's assurance in court was most likely NP attempting to position the value of the IRA as collateral for security interest for what was yet to come (i.e., emergency bond hearing on date FD attempted suicide).
At this time, NP was probably also worried about his own security interest as FD had not made good on a deposit yet. However, FD did eventually make the retainer payment in January -- shortly before his demise -- and NP kept it, but that's yet another subject in this complicated case!MOO

@Seattle1 Yes, 'assurance' question (which I had presumed was related to 'security' for bond) is moot. I had overlooked timing: the hearing occurred ~ yr ago, while Fotis was still alive. My bad.

So Fotis first lied about his collateral, then was slow to ante up retainer for Pattis? Any $ amts mentioned? That's another subject, you say? I'll bite if you or anyone wants to link or spill. Thanks again.
So much I've missed.

 

[rjay]

Wiping her hand on the Curb is Soooooo UNBELIEVABLE.

MT could have said something more Plausible like 'picking up a coin', but NO she says 'Wiping her Hand'?

WHO would 'lean' waaaayyyy out of a large truck to wipe their hand on a concrete curb?

Fact: MT Fully Stepped OUT of the truck according to the attached LE picture. Fd's truck was too tall, to 'lean' out of And be able to touch the curb with her hand while kneeling over.

We see at least One foot flat on the curb so unless she is a Contortionist, and has left the big toe of her left foot touching the door frame of the truck, back and up away from her, then she is Fully OUT of the vehicle.

What Exactly was she 'Wiping' Off her hand?

FD was seen placing restaurant items in the trash at that same stop and MT could have Easily wiped her hand on the items being placed in the trash.

Surely, they were also given Napkins from that same restaurant, Right? Or, she could have waited until they stopped at Starbucks for other options.

This picture shows MT either Picking Up something or Placing something on the curb, just as noted in the Arrest Warrant.

There is NO 'Wiping' of the Hand and she is Totally OUT of the vehicle.

IMO, MT is setting the stage for the FedEx box drop of the vehicle plates down the storm drain.

MT is a mere few inches from and hovering over that storm drain opening.

IMO. MT 'Pretended' to find something (or, if she insists, 'wiping' her hand) as a 'Distraction' for placing the FedEx box down the storm drain.

Fd must have come to her 'rescue' with whatever she was 'doing' and he 'Accidentally' dropped the FedEx box, with His 'Altered' vehicle plates, down the storm drain.

IMO.

ETA photo.

IMO only - There isn’t any reasonable explanation that could explain what on earth is going on here. Clearly something was placed in the storm drain. I can’t think of any occasion I’ve had to put something in a street-side storm drain.
Edited to add: People who live in 10,000 sq ft homes generally don’t go near sewers.


Troconis is fully participating in disposal of the items held by Dulos. Of course she knew what he was doing. And he made no attempt to close her door before he slid the package in the drain, if he acted alone in this.