Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #51

[HopeForTheBest]

I would guess that FD and KM did a lot of communicating in person and by phone. No transcript. In their minds, a well laid out plan.

Where would we be if FD had managed to subdue and remove Jennifer without bloodshed?

Where would we be without bus cameras?

So many critical mistakes.

You can be (wickedly) clever but you just can't think of everything.

Did they really think mock alibis would be enough to cover them when BOTH WIVES mysteriously disappeared????

How they must have regaled each other with the expected success of their idiot (and evil) plans.

JMO

oops! I had not read this when I posted something similar below! Sorry! I so agree!

 

[pseudo_hum]

IMO, as with KM, this is why MT should be sitting in a jail cell, she may more compelled to finally tell the truth. IMO

 

[Morgan10028]

I wonder if Megnut meant that KM gained via the reciprocal arrangement we think that he had with Fd

Thanks. I was confused because my original question was "What did KM gain from JFd disappearing other than FD helping him with his own wife?" I wasn't sure if she meant KM would gain from FD not having an expensive divorce and an instant windfall. Know what I mean?

 

[Morgan10028]

IMO, as with KM, this is why MT should be sitting in a jail cell, she may more compelled to finally tell the truth. IMO

I wholeheartedly agree! I think instead of jail, she is spending this time being coddled and enabled by her family, imo.

 

[Seattle1]

Does your phone tell you where it's pinging?

Yes, using android and tower mapping app-- wardriving.

 

[Megnut]

Thanks. I was confused because my original question was "What did KM gain from JFd disappearing other than FD helping him with his own wife?" I wasn't sure if she meant KM would gain from FD not having an expensive divorce and an instant windfall. Know what I mean?

Sorry for the confusion! My point is that IMO the PLAN was to eliminate at least 2 wives. (Any other contentious divorces in their circle?)... so yes, what KM stood to gain was the disappearance of HIS wife, in exchange for his help in disappearing FD's wife.

I just wonder what that half of the plan looked like. I still believe FD intended to abduct JF from her home, smuggle her out in her own vehicle, and murder her at a prepared location. Revenge Fantasy.

It makes me especially ill to think a WOMAN was part of this. Not much of one. But a woman all the same. Like KK. Mothers, plotting the deaths of other mothers. Vile.

And for what?

JMO

 

[Tink56]

Sorry for the confusion! My point is that IMO the PLAN was to eliminate at least 2 wives. (Any other contentious divorces in their circle?)... so yes, what KM stood to gain was the disappearance of HIS wife, in exchange for his help in disappearing FD's wife.

I just wonder what that half of the plan looked like. I still believe FD intended to abduct JF from her home, smuggle her out in her own vehicle, and murder at a prepared location. Revenge Fantasy.

It makes me especially I'll to think a WOMAN was part of this. Not much of one. But a woman all the same. Like KK. Mothers, plotting the deaths of other mothers. Vile.

And for what?

JMO

In addition MT and her clan are sure that family report will exonerate her in some way. Does she think she was going to win the "Mommy Award," presented to all woman living with men out of wedlock who don't spend time with their boyfriend's children....are angry because they need to leave the house when the children visit....and, defy court orders to stay away from the children. This is delusional thinking, IMO.

In fact MT and FD were happy without seeing the kids for most all of 2018, when all FD needed to do was take parenting classes and turn in a financial report. (He finally finished these in Mar/April of 2019....the parenting classes are almost the first thing in "standard divorces.")

MT had no intention of becoming a fulltime stepmom to the Farber/Dulos children. She would have continued to spend the ski season with her daughter in Colorado. She wouldn't have been in Farmington parenting, caring for, loving, or helping JFD's children experience new things and interests during the winter months.

What a hateful family to insist on the seeing the family report. MT was not part of the family....only the main cause for the divorce and a large part of the impetus for the death of JFD. IMO...MOO

 

[citygirl]

I agree that FD wasn't setting KM up for the crime. I never took NP's trash on the lawn to mean KM either, tbh. I always thought that plan was intended to mean EE...or other....but not KM. Keep in mind that KM was still an attorney of record on FD's civil suit at that time.

I also believe they were working in tandem for both wives. I have always wondered why LE did not mention KM's visit on the neighbors camera in the AW, though also believed there was a reason for the omission.

IMO-the grave was meant for KM's STBX and FD was the party charged with luring her to his home. The plan involving KM's STBX seemed planned and calculated to me, especially after gas can guy. I don't believe for a minute that KM didn't know that FD was contacting STBX. Do these guys really not believe that LE can pull phone records regardless of a smashed device, I mean REALLY ! I have thought many times that when the plan with KM's STBX crumbled, FD knew a grave was prepared, and FD and MT quickly changed the plan to Jennifer. While sadly her body has never been found, there were a lot of sloppy moves on FD and MT's parts. For example, had FD thrown the Albany Ave bags in his regular 4JX garbage pick-up, it's likely that a lot less would be known. I also believe that a lot of the plan surrounding Jennifer was between FD/MT. MOO

I think KM couldn't go to LE with what he knew immediately after 5/24 because FD knew too much about KM's plan with his STBX. FD gasses himself and can no longer speak to the plan. FD doesn't seem like the guy who told each person the plans he made with others, imo. For example, I don't think MT was fully aware that FD wasn't the wealthy developer he claimed to be, and wholly dependent on his STBX's money...yet he was. MT had everything to gain with JFd being gone. What did KM gain from JFd disappearing other than FD helping him with his own wife?

MOO

I agree on one thing.
I doubt MT and her family had any clue that he wasn't a wealthy developer.
IMO, they thought MT had found her man.
Who cared if he was divorced with 5 beautiful, young children?
They bought into his lies about his wife.
He was her knight in shining armor and she was set for life.
No longer worried about their youngest girl.
Life was grand.
It came to a tragic end and she will pay the price.
That's what her knight in shining armor left for her.
Years in prison.
MOO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Yes, using android and tower mapping app-- wardriving.

I have no idea what war driving is but it sounds serious and I am going to go find out! I learn so much here!

 

[Laughing]

I wonder -- did 'everybody know' that KM drank a lot?

Did FD choose him, figuring that if KM chickened out & went to LE, Fotis could say "what's he talking about? Don't you know how much he drinks?"

Or did FD just see everyone as a minion, doing his bidding & his alone? Look what happened to Jennifer when she didn't play along.

Just wondering about this -- did FD know something else that he could use to pressure KM?

Glad the KM has talked with LE, here's hoping he can stay clean&sober and eventually establish relationships with his children!

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[pernickety]

Yes, using android and tower mapping app-- wardriving.

Thanks! I looked it up.

 

[pernickety]

I noticed his office too! I don't know if I agree that it's well-appointed...looks very dated to me. MOO AS seems to be on his own PR makeover as well, IMO. His attire has certainly changed from Feb 2020. He's gone from the $10 "Not Guilty" neck tie to this new clean office and monochromatic attire. Is that an AS bobble head in the right corner? Total clown MOO

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I really disliked his early interviews with the MT sob story, though I have come to appreciate his latest interviews because I think he further incriminates his client. He just gives a little too much information and it appears that he can't help himself or self-edit. On the one hand he's arguing that he needs to move the case because of media attention, yet he goes on a Media blitz as often as possible, which makes his argument moot, imo. MOO

In the only other previous video interview I found that took place inside his office, he was standing in front of a wall of his diplomas. Not much of the rest of the office could be seen.

 

[Tink56]

I agree on one thing.
I doubt MT and her family had any clue that he wasn't a wealthy developer.
IMO, they thought MT had found her man.
Who cared if he was divorced with 5 beautiful, young children?
They bought into his lies about his wife.
He was her knight in shining armor and she was set for life.
No longer worried about their youngest girl.
Life was grand.
It came to a tragic end and she will pay the price.
That's what her knight in shining armor left for her.
Years in prison.
MOO.

I totally agree with this @citygirl!
MT's father was probably the least informed of the clan. He saw his daughter 'happy' and went along with the charade.
Mama T. should have seen the real story sooner.
The Troconis family seemed to travel often to share holidays and parties in Farmington. They enjoyed and were impressed by the mansion and FD's stories of future fame. The STBX was a minor problem to them.
Why Michi had been traveling with him as early as 2015, so the relationship must have been on-going in Florida prior to those trips. It's safe to say that Mama and Papa T. often met FD when he was in Florida.
He was a fun guy; he spent lots of money; he may have even stayed at GF's Florida home. He brought the children with him, at least the two oldest. They were almost family by 2015.
But, weren't they a little curious why the court barred FD's access to the children in 2018? Didn't they see the problems MT's presence in the home were causing? Did they wonder how FD was supporting himself?
Or, maybe they knew of his investments in Greece and beyond. Maybe they knew Michi was helping FD save money by helping to take it out of the U.S. Maybe they knew that FD's mother-in-law was paying for the mansion.
The end of this is tragic for ALL the children involved, including MT's.
IMO...MOO

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I totally agree with this @citygirl!
MT's father was probably the least informed of the clan. He saw his daughter 'happy' and went along with the charade.
Mama T. should have seen the real story sooner.
The Troconis family seemed to travel often to share holidays and parties in Farmington. They enjoyed and were impressed by the mansion and FD's stories of future fame. The STBX was a minor problem to them.
Why Michi had been traveling with him as early as 2015, so the relationship must have been on-going in Florida prior to those trips. It's safe to say that Mama and Papa T. often met FD when he was in Florida.
He was a fun guy; he spent lots of money; he may have even stayed at GF's Florida home. He brought the children with him, at least the two oldest. They were almost family by 2015.
But, weren't they a little curious why the court barred FD's access to the children in 2018? Didn't they see the problems MT's presence in the home were causing? Did they wonder how FD was supporting himself?
Or, maybe they knew of his investments in Greece and beyond. Maybe they knew Michi was helping FD save money by helping to take it out of the U.S. Maybe they knew that FD's mother-in-law was paying for the mansion.
The end of this is tragic for ALL the children involved, including MT's.
IMO...MOO

YES: The tragedy on top of the tragedy is all those kids and absolutely MT’s as well. All because of greed. I’m so glad that so many people are here to do what they can to help bring justice for Jennifer —and that is a LOT with all the brainpower here! MOO.

 

[pernickety]

I would guess that FD and KM did a lot of communicating in person and by phone. No transcript. In their minds, a well laid out plan.

Where would we be if FD had managed to subdue and remove Jennifer without bloodshed?

Where would we be without bus cameras?

So many critical mistakes.

You can be (wickedly) clever but you just can't think of everything.

Did they really think mock alibis would be enough to cover them when BOTH WIVES mysteriously disappeared????

How they must have regaled each other with the expected success of their idiot (and evil) plans.

JMO

If, by leaving JFD's car near Waveny Park, FD intended that it look like a kidnapping of her while she was jogging, why would he leave her handbag at Welles? I recall the nanny said it was on the floor in a doorway.
Also, AW said there was a period of around 45 minutes where FD wasn't shown on video (after leaving Waveny). Wondered if KM came for the body--tho' they would've had to have burner phones to communicate. Moo

 

[Morgan10028]

If, by leaving JFD's car near Waveny Park, FD intended that it look like a kidnapping of her while she was jogging, why would he leave her handbag at Welles? I recall the nanny said it was on the floor in a doorway.
Also, AW said there was a period of around 45 minutes where FD wasn't shown on video (after leaving Waveny). Wondered if KM came for the body--tho' they would've had to have burner phones to communicate. Moo

You just reminded me of a thought I had the other day. I've always wondered what FD did in that time between Waveny and the Merritt and for the first time I thought he might have attempted to clean up the suburban while parked there. Clearly, he had to know by then that things didn't go as planned and he was up against a bigger mess than expected. I just thought he might have thrown all of the paper towel rolls in the car and tried to clean whatever he could. MOO

 

[pernickety]

You just reminded me of a thought I had the other day. I've always wondered what FD did in that time between Waveny and the Merritt and for the first time I thought he might have attempted to clean up the suburban while parked there. Clearly, he had to know by then that things didn't go as planned and he was up against a bigger mess than expected. I just thought he might have thrown all of the paper towel rolls in the car and tried to clean whatever he could. MOO

Did LE find JFD's blood trace in her Suburban? Any sign it had been cleaned (luminol?). I just read in a bit of a past article from the NYT (cdnt get the whole article) that her blood was found in the other SUV (FD's) seen in Welles neighborhood at that time.

 

[sleuth66]

Did LE find JFD's blood trace in her Suburban? Any sign it had been cleaned (luminol?). I just read in a bit of a past article from the NYT (cdnt get the whole article) that her blood was found in the other SUV (FD's) seen in Welles neighborhood at that time.

Blood was found in JDs 2017 Suburban:
“The police also said they found “blood spatter” on and inside Ms. Dulos’s black S.U.V., which was found abandoned near a park three miles from her home.” NYT 1/28/2020

My recollection is that the FD damaged 2015 Suburban seen on Thurston was ruled out somewhere along the way, anyone else remember that? And that’s why it has never appeared in an AW?
(This was from the huge dump of search warrants, not all search warrants pan out, and no date or time is specified in the search warrant).
You can find a link to the 467 pages of search warrants in this media article if you want to search them:
Search warrants outline evidence collected during Dulos investigation

In the meantime, here’s where it was mentioned previously in our thread:

Post 942, thread 37, posted by @sds71 1/16/2020:

Marissa Alter

I’ve been hearing from a lot of you with questions about the 2015 black Chevy Suburban spotted 600 feet (through the woods) from Jennifer Dulos’ home. This is a car owned by Fotis Dulos—not to be confused with Jennifer’s 2017 black Chevy Suburban that was found abandoned near Waveny Park. The 2015 car was not mentioned in Fotis Dulos’ arrest warrant. But we learned about in the search warrants released yesterday. No date or time is included for when this alleged sighting happened, but the way the search warrant narrative is written seems to imply it was the morning Jennifer disappeared. That would suggest an accomplice in New Canaan with Fotis Dulos on May 24th. The search warrants also show that police seized that 2017 vehicle and found a floor liner with bloodline stains. Again, this was not included in the arrest warrant but does bring up some questions.

 

[CTGrammy]

Did LE find JFD's blood trace in her Suburban? Any sign it had been cleaned (luminol?). I just read in a bit of a past article from the NYT (cdnt get the whole article) that her blood was found in the other SUV (FD's) seen in Welles neighborhood at that time.

No. It was her blood in Her 2017 Suburban. In addition, Fd was seen disposing the floor liner from Her Suburban.

IIRC, they determined that the vehicle seen on Thurton was Not Fd's 2015 Suburban.

IMO.

 

[sleuth66]

No. It was her blood in Her 2017 Suburban. In addition, Fd was seen disposing the floor liner from Her Suburban.

IIRC, they determined that the vehicle seen on Thurton was Not Fd's 2015 Suburban.

IMO.

Yes this is what I recall as well.
IMO.