Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #54

[pernickety]

I say this without intending to be snarky although I have thought of a lot of comments that would be although still true: I can’t imagine how a child custody report about JFD’s five kids could possibly have anything good to say about the married father’s mistress who had been carrying on an affair with FD for years behind JFD’s back including going on trips paid for with JFD’s money and then living in the house that JFD and the kids had to flee to try to get away from FD and his threats. And then there’s the fact that MT had agreed to live there with her child and FD with JFD and the kids there, too; that really sounds like a person who cares about the feelings of others like the five Dulos kids plus those of her own child. It was an insulting idea that JFD nixed knowing what a terrible thing that would be for the kids and her. Then, after the affair was revealed, MT, knowing that she was not supposed to be around when FD had the kids there, violated those rules and hung around anyway, putting the poor Dulos kids in a terrible position. Just those two things alone make me wonder how that could be. If it does, that surely had to be a very rough draft and I’d wonder how a psychologist could come to that conclusion. I’d wonder a LOT about that entire situation and want to know exactly how that occurred and based on what standards of practice, given how strict the rules are for psychologists in terms of ethics such as with dual relationships (assessing a mistress and the cheating husband and the devoted mom who was still married to the cheating husband?), record keeping such as with draft reports, confidentiality, and not practicing beyond the scope of one’s expertise including not making hasty judgments without the proper assessment. Yes, I’d wonder. I DO wonder. What does the psychologist have to say about it? Hmmm. Surely the state licensing board for psychologists is aware of all of this and reviewing it to be sure that no one was harmed through any possible violations of the rules that psychologists must follow. MOO.

I, too, can't imagine anything nice that would have been said about MT, but it was intimated (I read somewhere) that there was such a favorable comment. I can't imagine that MT would want the report for something unfavorable it might say about JFD bc blaming the victim is not a defense, and IMO it would only be harmful to MT. I think it's common knowledge that "experts", including psychological experts, will slant their reports to favor whoever's paying them.

 

[Chicago54]

I, too, can't imagine anything nice that would have been said about MT, but it was intimated (I read somewhere) that there was such a favorable comment. I can't imagine that MT would want the report for something unfavorable it might say about JFD bc blaming the victim is not a defense, and IMO it would only be harmful to MT. I think it's common knowledge that "experts", including psychological experts, will slant their reports to favor whoever's paying them.

I’m still thinking it’s about what it said about FD-the one common denominator between both JFD and MT.

 

[sleuth66]

I, too, can't imagine anything nice that would have been said about MT, but it was intimated (I read somewhere) that there was such a favorable comment. I can't imagine that MT would want the report for something unfavorable it might say about JFD bc blaming the victim is not a defense, and IMO it would only be harmful to MT. I think it's common knowledge that "experts", including psychological experts, will slant their reports to favor whoever's paying them.

Don’t underestimate MT and her defense- from this recent interview with JS related to the movie it looks like they may still be pursuing the strategy of complete denial- that stuff that MT was cleaning was maybe coffee after all, and maybe JFD is a “gone mom” like the movie title suggests. JS has filed motions to dismiss the charges so he might see their best/only bet as trying to pursue doubt about whether the murder took place at all.
Would like to see what evidence JS thinks is being withheld...

“Schoenhorn also says he believes evidence is being withheld that could undermine the state’s theory that a red 2001 Toyota Tacoma owned by one of Fotis Dulos’s employees was used to transport Jennifer Dulos the day of her disappearance.”
What Happened to Missing Connecticut Mother Jennifer Dulos?

 

[Megnut]

Don’t underestimate MT and her defense- from this recent interview with JS related to the movie it looks like they may still be pursuing the strategy of complete denial- that stuff that MT was cleaning was maybe coffee after all, and maybe JFD is a “gone mom” like the movie title suggests. JS has filed motions to dismiss the charges so he might see their best/only bet as trying to pursue doubt about whether the murder took place at all.
Would like to see what evidence JS thinks is being withheld...

“Schoenhorn also says he believes evidence is being withheld that could undermine the state’s theory that a red 2001 Toyota Tacoma owned by one of Fotis Dulos’s employees was used to transport Jennifer Dulos the day of her disappearance.”
What Happened to Missing Connecticut Mother Jennifer Dulos?

Did anyone besides MT suggest Jennifer's body was in the Tacoma? All we know is that a bloodlike substance was on the seat... that MT held the paper towel for.

We all have reason to believe Jennifer's body was transported in another vehicle.... directly to Mountain Spring....

JMO

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Did anyone besides MT suggest Jennifer's body was in the Tacoma? All we know is that a bloodlike substance was on the seat... that MT held the paper towel for.

We all have reason to believe Jennifer's body was transported in another vehicle.... directly to Mountain Spring....

JMO

Don’t you think by now that those seats were tested for JFD dna? And matched?

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I’m still thinking it’s about what it said about FD-the one common denominator between both JFD and MT.

Oh, that may be!

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Don’t underestimate MT and her defense- from this recent interview with JS related to the movie it looks like they may still be pursuing the strategy of complete denial- that stuff that MT was cleaning was maybe coffee after all, and maybe JFD is a “gone mom” like the movie title suggests. JS has filed motions to dismiss the charges so he might see their best/only bet as trying to pursue doubt about whether the murder took place at all.
Would like to see what evidence JS thinks is being withheld...

“Schoenhorn also says he believes evidence is being withheld that could undermine the state’s theory that a red 2001 Toyota Tacoma owned by one of Fotis Dulos’s employees was used to transport Jennifer Dulos the day of her disappearance.”
What Happened to Missing Connecticut Mother Jennifer Dulos?

I know it’s never good to underestimate such things but the idea that MT knew nothing given her extensive experience in life the world over and her proximity with FD (and on and on)—I always think of the story of how they looked at each other at that pool party when they heard about searches—is illogical and absurd in my view. MOO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Don’t you think by now that those seats were tested for JFD dna? And matched?

I think that LE knows much more and has much more than we know. I often think of when they told JS that it’s not their job to do HIS job for him. It may be that he doesn’t even realize how it adds up but more likely, they’re trying the tactic of denying things loudly as a smokescreen for the facts. They’d like everyone to willingly suspend their disbelief but this is no Disney movie. MOO.

 

[pernickety]

I say this without intending to be snarky although I have thought of a lot of comments that would be although still true: I can’t imagine how a child custody report about JFD’s five kids could possibly have anything good to say about the married father’s mistress who had been carrying on an affair with FD for years behind JFD’s back including going on trips paid for with JFD’s money and then living in the house that JFD and the kids had to flee to try to get away from FD and his threats. And then there’s the fact that MT had agreed to live there with her child and FD with JFD and the kids there, too; that really sounds like a person who cares about the feelings of others like the five Dulos kids plus those of her own child. It was an insulting idea that JFD nixed knowing what a terrible thing that would be for the kids and her. Then, after the affair was revealed, MT, knowing that she was not supposed to be around when FD had the kids there, violated those rules and hung around anyway, putting the poor Dulos kids in a terrible position. Just those two things alone make me wonder how that could be. If it does, that surely had to be a very rough draft and I’d wonder how a psychologist could come to that conclusion. I’d wonder a LOT about that entire situation and want to know exactly how that occurred and based on what standards of practice, given how strict the rules are for psychologists in terms of ethics such as with dual relationships (assessing a mistress and the cheating husband and the devoted mom who was still married to the cheating husband?), record keeping such as with draft reports, confidentiality, and not practicing beyond the scope of one’s expertise including not making hasty judgments without the proper assessment. Yes, I’d wonder. I DO wonder. What does the psychologist have to say about it? Hmmm. Surely the state licensing board for psychologists is aware of all of this and reviewing it to be sure that no one was harmed through any possible violations of the rules that psychologists must follow. MOO.

I, too, can't imagine anything nice that would have been said about MT, but it was intimated (I read somewhere) that there was such a favorable comment. I can't imagine that MT would want the report for something unfavorable it might say about JFD bc blaming the victim is not a defense, and IMO it would only be harmful to MT. I think it's common knowledge that "experts", including psychological experts, will slant their reports to favor whoever's paying them.

I’m still thinking it’s about what it said about FD-the one common denominator between both JFD and MT.

How could anything it said about FD, if favorable, benefit MT's defense?

 

[pandaknows]

Did anyone besides MT suggest Jennifer's body was in the Tacoma? All we know is that a bloodlike substance was on the seat... that MT held the paper towel for.

We all have reason to believe Jennifer's body was transported in another vehicle.... directly to Mountain Spring....

JMO

Good point to separate out verified facts from creative stories put out by MT to spin LE wheels. I do feel that MT misdirected the police search and it won't be difficult to prove obstruction when all the evidence is revealed at trial. Yes, I agree fD's bloody clothing was smeared in the truck, but MT's voluntary suggestion that a body was there as well, is not verified fact. I tend to believe that MT's modis operandi is to only volunteer unhelpful info or worse misdirect the police. The information about the body being in the truck, could benefit MT if...yes, I believe Megnut is onto something here.

I suspect both MT and KM participated in moving
parts of the body. Mountain Spring appears to be the central meeting place according to cell phone data. KM's attempt to flee the state, only to be caught by police gunpoint, shows active participation in a crime.

Another point: fD's suicide was a calculated decision on his part, not just a rash act. The odds were high that he would have spent the rest of his life in jail. Because MT and/or KM both have enough info to put prove fD's guilt. The only question remaining was: MT or KM, who is going to spill first for a deal? It was just a matter of time.

I am looking forward to evidence of an accomplice at the scene, parked not far from fD at Waveny, waiting to receive garbage bags rolled up in a Suburban floor mat. Either MT or KM was on the scene, but not both, IMO.

Speculating that the attorney had enough sense to cover his butt with proof that he was no where near New Canaan, easily done by showing up in a local courthouse that day. KM likely signed up for digging a grave filled with decomposing chemicals as he was caught doing previously at another location for the attempted murder of his own spouse. fD called or texted KM after the Odyssey of Stupidity to confirm the body had been buried in this chemical grave before enjoying a celebratory Starbucks with MT. All evidence was destroyed at that point, he believed. Almost.

So we are left with MT. Her movements the morning of the murder were never confirmed by LE. MT has been spotted following fD in a rental car to the car wash as well as riding along in the Hartford Odyssey of Stupidity, actively opening the passenger door to shield the disposal of license plates in the drain. MT, the instigator, the one who has the most to gain as the girlfriend soon to be wife, IMO, has shown herself to be a hands-on kind of person. Fit, sporty, dare-devil risk-taker, Argentinian gaucho at heart, MT would have insisted in making sure it all went down in person. Wouldn't miss it for the world. MOO.

 

[Megnut]

Good point to separate out verified facts from creative stories put out by MT to spin LE wheels. I do feel that MT misdirected the police search and it won't be difficult to prove obstruction when all the evidence is revealed at trial. Yes, I agree fD's bloody clothing was smeared in the truck, but MT's voluntary suggestion that a body was there as well, is not verified fact. I tend to believe that MT's modis operandi is to only volunteer unhelpful info or worse misdirect the police. The information about the body being in the truck, could benefit MT if...yes, I believe Megnut is onto something here.

I suspect both MT and KM participated in moving
parts of the body. Mountain Spring appears to be the central meeting place according to cell phone data. KM's attempt to flee the state, only to be caught by police gunpoint, shows active participation in a crime.

Another point: fD's suicide was a calculated decision on his part, not just a rash act. The odds were high that he would have spent the rest of his life in jail. Because MT and/or KM both have enough info to put prove fD's guilt. The only question remaining was: MT or KM, who is going to spill first for a deal? It was just a matter of time.

I am looking forward to evidence of an accomplice at the scene, parked not far from fD at Waveny, waiting to receive garbage bags rolled up in a Suburban floor mat. Either MT or KM was on the scene, but not both, IMO.

Speculating that the attorney had enough sense to cover his butt with proof that he was no where near New Canaan, easily done by showing up in a local courthouse that day. KM likely signed up for digging a grave filled with decomposing chemicals as he was caught doing previously at another location for the attempted murder of his own spouse. fD called or texted KM after the Odyssey of Stupidity to confirm the body had been buried in this chemical grave before enjoying a celebratory Starbucks with MT. All evidence was destroyed at that point, he believed. Almost.

So we are left with MT. Her movements the morning of the murder were never confirmed by LE. MT has been spotted following fD in a rental car to the car wash as well as riding along in the Hartford Odyssey of Stupidity, actively opening the passenger door to shield the disposal of license plates in the drain. MT, the instigator, the one who has the most to gain as the girlfriend soon to be wife, IMO, has shown herself to be a hands-on kind of person. Fit, sporty, dare-devil risk-taker, Argentinian gaucho at heart, MT would have insisted in making sure it all went down in person. Wouldn't miss it for the world. MOO.

It's all in the cars.

I BELIEVE that FD planned to abduct JF without incident. Restrained with zipties .... I believe he intended to meet up with Mystery Vehicle to exchange. Not sure which vehicle, which driver... but somebody retrieved the beloved bike, somebody was GOING TO DRIVE the Tacoma back to where it had been borrowed from. Pristine. No body, no blood, no trash bags.

The bloodbath in Jennifer's garage was never supposed to happen. Not there anyway.

So.... somebody would've driven the Tacoma back, left it nice and tidy.

Somebody drove the Mystery Vehicle to Mountain Spring.

Regardless of which vehicle each was driving, I think FD made it to MS for what was to have been the finale, the consummate revenge fantasy.

With help from lookout MT, trash bag holder MT, Patagonia hula star MT, FD did the unthinkable. The cut off zipties, cut up t-shirt say enough.

Do we know FOR SURE who was driving the Tacoma toward Farmington?

Do we know where the second Suburban was and who was driving it? Do we know for sure how many different vehicles each player drove that morning?

No wonder MT couldn't keep the story straight.

Methinks she can't flip without incriminating herself. Dirty, dirty, dirty hands.

Her trial can't come soon enough.

JMO

 

[Chicago54]

I, too, can't imagine anything nice that would have been said about MT, but it was intimated (I read somewhere) that there was such a favorable comment. I can't imagine that MT would want the report for something unfavorable it might say about JFD bc blaming the victim is not a defense, and IMO it would only be harmful to MT. I think it's common knowledge that "experts", including psychological experts, will slant their reports to favor whoever's paying them.

How could anything it said about FD, if favorable, benefit MT's defense?

I know it’s been surmised that a favorable evaluation was concluded for FD, however, there may have been some opinions reflective of his “coercive control”. The abuse endured by JFD might well be offered as a defense for MTs behaviors, including willingness to go along with his demands and then lie for him. I, for one, think this is hogwash, as she stayed with him -with her minor daughter-after she knew JFD was missing-for at least a week.

IMO , JS so far has been trying the case in the public with the defense of MT being completely deaf dumb and blind, but I think he may change that tactic once a trial begins. He’s still throwing the pasta at the wall, trying to get these charges completely dismissed, and if he does, he wants her to walk away as “innocent”, but if he can’t, and it goes to trial, I for one won’t be surprised to see an attempt to show how beaten down and fearful poor MT was. MOO

 

[pernickety]

I know it’s been surmised that a favorable evaluation was concluded for FD, however, there may have been some opinions reflective of his “coercive control”. The abuse endured by JFD might well be offered as a defense for MTs behaviors, including willingness to go along with his demands and then lie for him. I, for one, think this is hogwash, as she stayed with him -with her minor daughter-after she knew JFD was missing-for at least a week.

IMO , JS so far has been trying the case in the public with the defense of MT being completely deaf dumb and blind, but I think he may change that tactic once a trial begins. He’s still throwing the pasta at the wall, trying to get these charges completely dismissed, and if he does, he wants her to walk away as “innocent”, but if he can’t, and it goes to trial, I for one won’t be surprised to see an attempt to show how beaten down and fearful poor MT was. MOO

Here's what was put out by FD's lawyers on his psych reports--

Attorney: Doctor evaluations of Jennifer Dulos' husband show no psychopathic tendencies

“STAMFORD — Fotis Dulos has undergone two psychological evaluations since his wife filed for divorce in 2017 and has been deemed a “gregarious and confident person” with no psychopathic tendencies, according to the latest in a series of motions filed in the heated custody dispute…”

But not to say that, per your theory, there'd be something in the custody report that said some negative things about FD--that MT could use to her advantage.

 

[Chicago54]

Here's what was put out by FD's lawyers on his psych reports--

Attorney: Doctor evaluations of Jennifer Dulos' husband show no psychopathic tendencies

“STAMFORD — Fotis Dulos has undergone two psychological evaluations since his wife filed for divorce in 2017 and has been deemed a “gregarious and confident person” with no psychopathic tendencies, according to the latest in a series of motions filed in the heated custody dispute…”

But not to say that, per your theory, there'd be something in the custody report that said some negative things about FD--that MT could use to her advantage.

I’m looking at this three ways:

1.Considering the source:

2.Creating a sound bite:

3.Skewing the info to fit JS’s new angle

1. Consider the source: These summations and “quotes” are from FDs attorneys. (From the article)
“Fotis Dulos has undergone two psychological evaluations since his wife filed for divorce in 2017 and has been deemed a “gregarious and confident person” with no psychopathic tendencies, according to the latest in a series of motions filed in the heated custody dispute.”


We have to remember these motions were filed by RR when he was petitioning the court concerning GF or FD taking custody of the children. He was painting the best picture of FD he could. We have all seen NP spew all kinds of theories and “facts” into the air, “gone girl”, MT is FDs alibi til she’s the “lying lover”, the JFDs clothes were found in a pile in the back of 4JX... I’m not saying RR is “lying”, but he is cherry-picking individual words out of a evaluation. If you read the portion of the article I quoted next, notice it’s alway “according to RRs motion” or “RR said”...


2 Creating the sound bite:


RR was cherry-picking those words to create the thought he wanted to float in the public, that FD had ‘passed’ his psych eval. , that he was “gregarious and confident”-just all around a great guy, right? RR chose these 2 words out of how long of a report? Notice ‘no psychopathic tendencies’ was not quoted from the report. So RR read the report, and made that summation himself IMO. He did this from a evaluation written by Herman who did not meet the requirements to have it legally entered as complete into the court record. As far as I know, RR is certainly not qualified to interpret and come to that conclusion. Herman was qualified , and he chose not to finish the process, and make his written report a part of the court ordered custody evaluation.


A little later in the same article it says:

“According to Rochlin’s motion, Fotis Dulos has met with Dr. Stephen Herman, a court-appointed psychiatrist with an office in New York City, 14 times in the past two years. Rochlin said Herman’s evaluations determined Fotis Dulos showed no elevations of several mental health concerns, including mania and paranoia.


Herman’s findings have been summarized in a sealed report dated April 24, according to Rochlin’s motion. Fotis Dulos’ attorneys have indicated in court that the report is favorable to their client.

Rochlin said Fotis Dulos has also met with Dr. Stephen Humphrey, a court-appointed Hartford psychiatrist, 20 times in the last two years.


According to Rochlin’s motion, Humphrey said Fotis Dulos displayed none of the 11 factors in diagnosing a patient as a psychopath, including no signs of being paranoid, antisocial, depressed or schizophrenic.”


I have all kinds of problems with this. First of all no one publicly has seen Humphreys notes. Wasnt Humphrey under HIPAA rules on FD then, and still? Maybe FD let his attorneys talk to his dr about him, but as far as I know Humphrey has not been on the stand testifying about FD-right? This is NOT part of the court record about custody. In fact why was FD seeing this guy? Was it court ordered? Was therapy required? Did he seek out Humphrey on his own, on the advice of his atty??? Hmmmmm


So according to RR, Humphrey didn’t check any of the boxes needed to draw the conclusion that FD was a psychopath.


Why is RR even talking about Humphrey’s? Would ANYONE, ANYONE ELSE be able to question his findings, in court or anywhere else? (Why does this statement remind me of that letter from the Greek waterskiing official?)


A few logic questions I have for Humphrey:


Are all psychopaths perpetrators of DV?

Are all perpetrators of DV or coercive control evaluated as psychopaths?

Are all men who murder their wives psychopaths?

This brings me to my final blathering

3: Skewing the info to fit JS’s new angle

I think JS could do this a couple of ways. I look at JS as a progressive player with lots up his sleeve. IMO he has a rough game plan, but it’s more of a flow chart, kind of a meandering, ‘if this happens, then I’ll do this.’ There is no committing to one solid route, he is ready to take a detour at any moment, any hiccup.

I think this is why the holier-than-thou Troconis clan like JS. He knows the truth, but he is willing to throw any possible life preserver into the eddy to see if MT can gain some traction, before she is pulled down the drain. AB on the other hand I think was a marching straight arrow. He knew the truth, but his tactic was, ‘ let them prove it’. How many times did we hear about the presumption of innocence from him; in fact was it the only thing? IMO AB wasn’t going to go along with this type of game play, but JS was and I think this psych report brouhaha proves it. ( as well as the thousands of motions, the constant take the gps off, etcetera, etcetera...)

I said in my original post ‘ I know it’s been surmised that a favorable evaluation was concluded for FD, however, there may have been some opinions reflective of his “coercive control” ‘

I believe JS, the progressive player, could attempt do this a couple of ways. With the passing of new law concerning coercive control, I think it’s been pretty well established that JFD was a victim of DV. I think we can safely make the assumption that this custody evaluation may indicate that JFD was exhibiting signs and symptoms of the domestic violence. This would be the part of the evaluation that would reflect on FD.

IMO JS will try to use this to help MT, (if and only if, ALL of his attempts to avoid a trial, or his attempts to present MT as an innocent bystander, fail.). IMO if JS senses MT is looking guilty to the jury, he will try to mitigate the damages, by presenting MT as also a victim of DV. As stomach churning sickening as this is, I see JS as heading to this defense. His quest for the almighty psych evaluation has been relentless, and he must see it as extremely valuable. I think showing what FD did to JFD is a tremendous part of that value.

I also think JS sees value in the facts of what is missing. If Herman did indeed reach the conclusion that FD had ‘no psychopathic tendencies’, how will the progressive player use that? Will he claim that FD was also able to hide his true mental health issues from the court appointed psychiatrist? And the one he might have going to for therapy? The same mental health issues he hid from MT? We heard a drop of this theory during the 48 Hr special... how FD lied to MT about the state of his marriage, how he tricked her. Do non-psychopaths plan a precisely timed, violent murder of their wives and manage to dispose of her body so neatly, that she completely disappears? Do non-psychopaths manage to charm the pants off their sophisticated wealthy father-in-laws and take millions of dollars on a hand shake? Who knows,but I’ll bet JS has a bunch of experts lined up.


A bunch of experts who will attempt to show that JD was suffering at the hands of FD, that the court ordered psychiatrist was hood winked and ‘controlled’ by him and that MT was a victim too. MOO. Just my two cents on why JS wanted that report.

 

[Megnut]

I’m looking at this three ways:

1.Considering the source:

2.Creating a sound bite:

3.Skewing the info to fit JS’s new angle

1. Consider the source: These summations and “quotes” are from FDs attorneys. (From the article)
“Fotis Dulos has undergone two psychological evaluations since his wife filed for divorce in 2017 and has been deemed a “gregarious and confident person” with no psychopathic tendencies, according to the latest in a series of motions filed in the heated custody dispute.”


We have to remember these motions were filed by RR when he was petitioning the court concerning GF or FD taking custody of the children. He was painting the best picture of FD he could. We have all seen NP spew all kinds of theories and “facts” into the air, “gone girl”, MT is FDs alibi til she’s the “lying lover”, the JFDs clothes were found in a pile in the back of 4JX... I’m not saying RR is “lying”, but he is cherry-picking individual words out of a evaluation. If you read the portion of the article I quoted next, notice it’s alway “according to RRs motion” or “RR said”...


2 Creating the sound bite:


RR was cherry-picking those words to create the thought he wanted to float in the public, that FD had ‘passed’ his psych eval. , that he was “gregarious and confident”-just all around a great guy, right? RR chose these 2 words out of how long of a report? Notice ‘no psychopathic tendencies’ was not quoted from the report. So RR read the report, and made that summation himself IMO. He did this from a evaluation written by Herman who did not meet the requirements to have it legally entered as complete into the court record. As far as I know, RR is certainly not qualified to interpret and come to that conclusion. Herman was qualified , and he chose not to finish the process, and make his written report a part of the court ordered custody evaluation.


A little later in the same article it says:

“According to Rochlin’s motion, Fotis Dulos has met with Dr. Stephen Herman, a court-appointed psychiatrist with an office in New York City, 14 times in the past two years. Rochlin said Herman’s evaluations determined Fotis Dulos showed no elevations of several mental health concerns, including mania and paranoia.


Herman’s findings have been summarized in a sealed report dated April 24, according to Rochlin’s motion. Fotis Dulos’ attorneys have indicated in court that the report is favorable to their client.

Rochlin said Fotis Dulos has also met with Dr. Stephen Humphrey, a court-appointed Hartford psychiatrist, 20 times in the last two years.


According to Rochlin’s motion, Humphrey said Fotis Dulos displayed none of the 11 factors in diagnosing a patient as a psychopath, including no signs of being paranoid, antisocial, depressed or schizophrenic.”


I have all kinds of problems with this. First of all no one publicly has seen Humphreys notes. Wasnt Humphrey under HIPAA rules on FD then, and still? Maybe FD let his attorneys talk to his dr about him, but as far as I know Humphrey has not been on the stand testifying about FD-right? This is NOT part of the court record about custody. In fact why was FD seeing this guy? Was it court ordered? Was therapy required? Did he seek out Humphrey on his own, on the advice of his atty??? Hmmmmm


So according to RR, Humphrey didn’t check any of the boxes needed to draw the conclusion that FD was a psychopath.


Why is RR even talking about Humphrey’s? Would ANYONE, ANYONE ELSE be able to question his findings, in court or anywhere else? (Why does this statement remind me of that letter from the Greek waterskiing official?)


A few logic questions I have for Humphrey:


Are all psychopaths perpetrators of DV?

Are all perpetrators of DV or coercive control evaluated as psychopaths?

Are all men who murder their wives psychopaths?

This brings me to my final blathering

3: Skewing the info to fit JS’s new angle

I think JS could do this a couple of ways. I look at JS as a progressive player with lots up his sleeve. IMO he has a rough game plan, but it’s more of a flow chart, kind of a meandering, ‘if this happens, then I’ll do this.’ There is no committing to one solid route, he is ready to take a detour at any moment, any hiccup.

I think this is why the holier-than-thou Troconis clan like JS. He knows the truth, but he is willing to throw any possible life preserver into the eddy to see if MT can gain some traction, before she is pulled down the drain. AB on the other hand I think was a marching straight arrow. He knew the truth, but his tactic was, ‘ let them prove it’. How many times did we hear about the presumption of innocence from him; in fact was it the only thing? IMO AB wasn’t going to go along with this type of game play, but JS was and I think this psych report brouhaha proves it. ( as well as the thousands of motions, the constant take the gps off, etcetera, etcetera...)

I said in my original post ‘ I know it’s been surmised that a favorable evaluation was concluded for FD, however, there may have been some opinions reflective of his “coercive control” ‘

I believe JS, the progressive player, could attempt do this a couple of ways. With the passing of new law concerning coercive control, I think it’s been pretty well established that JFD was a victim of DV. I think we can safely make the assumption that this custody evaluation may indicate that JFD was exhibiting signs and symptoms of the domestic violence. This would be the part of the evaluation that would reflect on FD.

IMO JS will try to use this to help MT, (if and only if, ALL of his attempts to avoid a trial, or his attempts to present MT as an innocent bystander, fail.). IMO if JS senses MT is looking guilty to the jury, he will try to mitigate the damages, by presenting MT as also a victim of DV. As stomach churning sickening as this is, I see JS as heading to this defense. His quest for the almighty psych evaluation has been relentless, and he must see it as extremely valuable. I think showing what FD did to JFD is a tremendous part of that value.

I also think JS sees value in the facts of what is missing. If Herman did indeed reach the conclusion that FD had ‘no psychopathic tendencies’, how will the progressive player use that? Will he claim that FD was also able to hide his true mental health issues from the court appointed psychiatrist? And the one he might have going to for therapy? The same mental health issues he hid from MT? We heard a drop of this theory during the 48 Hr special... how FD lied to MT about the state of his marriage, how he tricked her. Do non-psychopaths plan a precisely timed, violent murder of their wives and manage to dispose of her body so neatly, that she completely disappears? Do non-psychopaths manage to charm the pants off their sophisticated wealthy father-in-laws and take millions of dollars on a hand shake? Who knows,but I’ll bet JS has a bunch of experts lined up.


A bunch of experts who will attempt to show that JD was suffering at the hands of FD, that the court ordered psychiatrist was hood winked and ‘controlled’ by him and that MT was a victim too. MOO. Just my two cents on why JS wanted that report.

Brilliant synthesis.

Indeed FD was a most 'gregarious and confident' man. Who brutally murdered his wife. So there's that.

I'm going to guess he didn't share his best revenge fantasies during any of the evals.

Chameleon.

JMO

P.S. MT was no victim. They were a matched set.

 

[pernickety]

I’m looking at this three ways:

1.Considering the source:

2.Creating a sound bite:

3.Skewing the info to fit JS’s new angle

1. Consider the source: These summations and “quotes” are from FDs attorneys. (From the article)
“Fotis Dulos has undergone two psychological evaluations since his wife filed for divorce in 2017 and has been deemed a “gregarious and confident person” with no psychopathic tendencies, according to the latest in a series of motions filed in the heated custody dispute.”


We have to remember these motions were filed by RR when he was petitioning the court concerning GF or FD taking custody of the children. He was painting the best picture of FD he could. We have all seen NP spew all kinds of theories and “facts” into the air, “gone girl”, MT is FDs alibi til she’s the “lying lover”, the JFDs clothes were found in a pile in the back of 4JX... I’m not saying RR is “lying”, but he is cherry-picking individual words out of a evaluation. If you read the portion of the article I quoted next, notice it’s alway “according to RRs motion” or “RR said”...


2 Creating the sound bite:


RR was cherry-picking those words to create the thought he wanted to float in the public, that FD had ‘passed’ his psych eval. , that he was “gregarious and confident”-just all around a great guy, right? RR chose these 2 words out of how long of a report? Notice ‘no psychopathic tendencies’ was not quoted from the report. So RR read the report, and made that summation himself IMO. He did this from a evaluation written by Herman who did not meet the requirements to have it legally entered as complete into the court record. As far as I know, RR is certainly not qualified to interpret and come to that conclusion. Herman was qualified , and he chose not to finish the process, and make his written report a part of the court ordered custody evaluation.


A little later in the same article it says:

“According to Rochlin’s motion, Fotis Dulos has met with Dr. Stephen Herman, a court-appointed psychiatrist with an office in New York City, 14 times in the past two years. Rochlin said Herman’s evaluations determined Fotis Dulos showed no elevations of several mental health concerns, including mania and paranoia.


Herman’s findings have been summarized in a sealed report dated April 24, according to Rochlin’s motion. Fotis Dulos’ attorneys have indicated in court that the report is favorable to their client.

Rochlin said Fotis Dulos has also met with Dr. Stephen Humphrey, a court-appointed Hartford psychiatrist, 20 times in the last two years.


According to Rochlin’s motion, Humphrey said Fotis Dulos displayed none of the 11 factors in diagnosing a patient as a psychopath, including no signs of being paranoid, antisocial, depressed or schizophrenic.”


I have all kinds of problems with this. First of all no one publicly has seen Humphreys notes. Wasnt Humphrey under HIPAA rules on FD then, and still? Maybe FD let his attorneys talk to his dr about him, but as far as I know Humphrey has not been on the stand testifying about FD-right? This is NOT part of the court record about custody. In fact why was FD seeing this guy? Was it court ordered? Was therapy required? Did he seek out Humphrey on his own, on the advice of his atty??? Hmmmmm


So according to RR, Humphrey didn’t check any of the boxes needed to draw the conclusion that FD was a psychopath.


Why is RR even talking about Humphrey’s? Would ANYONE, ANYONE ELSE be able to question his findings, in court or anywhere else? (Why does this statement remind me of that letter from the Greek waterskiing official?)


A few logic questions I have for Humphrey:


Are all psychopaths perpetrators of DV?

Are all perpetrators of DV or coercive control evaluated as psychopaths?

Are all men who murder their wives psychopaths?

This brings me to my final blathering

3: Skewing the info to fit JS’s new angle

I think JS could do this a couple of ways. I look at JS as a progressive player with lots up his sleeve. IMO he has a rough game plan, but it’s more of a flow chart, kind of a meandering, ‘if this happens, then I’ll do this.’ There is no committing to one solid route, he is ready to take a detour at any moment, any hiccup.

I think this is why the holier-than-thou Troconis clan like JS. He knows the truth, but he is willing to throw any possible life preserver into the eddy to see if MT can gain some traction, before she is pulled down the drain. AB on the other hand I think was a marching straight arrow. He knew the truth, but his tactic was, ‘ let them prove it’. How many times did we hear about the presumption of innocence from him; in fact was it the only thing? IMO AB wasn’t going to go along with this type of game play, but JS was and I think this psych report brouhaha proves it. ( as well as the thousands of motions, the constant take the gps off, etcetera, etcetera...)

I said in my original post ‘ I know it’s been surmised that a favorable evaluation was concluded for FD, however, there may have been some opinions reflective of his “coercive control” ‘

I believe JS, the progressive player, could attempt do this a couple of ways. With the passing of new law concerning coercive control, I think it’s been pretty well established that JFD was a victim of DV. I think we can safely make the assumption that this custody evaluation may indicate that JFD was exhibiting signs and symptoms of the domestic violence. This would be the part of the evaluation that would reflect on FD.

IMO JS will try to use this to help MT, (if and only if, ALL of his attempts to avoid a trial, or his attempts to present MT as an innocent bystander, fail.). IMO if JS senses MT is looking guilty to the jury, he will try to mitigate the damages, by presenting MT as also a victim of DV. As stomach churning sickening as this is, I see JS as heading to this defense. His quest for the almighty psych evaluation has been relentless, and he must see it as extremely valuable. I think showing what FD did to JFD is a tremendous part of that value.

I also think JS sees value in the facts of what is missing. If Herman did indeed reach the conclusion that FD had ‘no psychopathic tendencies’, how will the progressive player use that? Will he claim that FD was also able to hide his true mental health issues from the court appointed psychiatrist? And the one he might have going to for therapy? The same mental health issues he hid from MT? We heard a drop of this theory during the 48 Hr special... how FD lied to MT about the state of his marriage, how he tricked her. Do non-psychopaths plan a precisely timed, violent murder of their wives and manage to dispose of her body so neatly, that she completely disappears? Do non-psychopaths manage to charm the pants off their sophisticated wealthy father-in-laws and take millions of dollars on a hand shake? Who knows,but I’ll bet JS has a bunch of experts lined up.


A bunch of experts who will attempt to show that JD was suffering at the hands of FD, that the court ordered psychiatrist was hood winked and ‘controlled’ by him and that MT was a victim too. MOO. Just my two cents on why JS wanted that report.

“At one point, police told Troconis that Dulos had killed his wife and involved her in the cleanup process.


”That’s like even worse,” she allegedly replied, “I hate him because of that.”

An officer then pressed a bit harder: “He got you in trouble.”


To which Troconis allegedly replied:


But I was cleaning the house. I wasn’t cleaning Jennifer.”

Details of Michelle Troconis Arrest Warrant | Law & Crime

LE was trying to get her to flip at that point. But JS could spin that and say LE saw her as being used by FD in the cover-up--but not the conspiracy? MOO

(BTW, how do you quote part of a post and not the whole thing?)

 

[Niner]

snipped...
(BTW, how do you quote part of a post and not the whole thing?)

Reply as usual and then before you post - delete the stuff you don't want in the quote - leave the part that you want in your quote. BUT! Don't delete the [ quote = XX ] [ / quote ] stuff...

Hope that makes sense!

 

[Laughing]

(BTW, how do you quote part of a post and not the whole thing?)

If you see the letters RSBM, that means Respectfully Snipped by Me, indicating the quote was edited in the reply.

 

[Seattle1]

Here's what was put out by FD's lawyers on his psych reports--

Attorney: Doctor evaluations of Jennifer Dulos' husband show no psychopathic tendencies

“STAMFORD — Fotis Dulos has undergone two psychological evaluations since his wife filed for divorce in 2017 and has been deemed a “gregarious and confident person” with no psychopathic tendencies, according to the latest in a series of motions filed in the heated custody dispute…”

But not to say that, per your theory, there'd be something in the custody report that said some negative things about FD--that MT could use to her advantage.

^^bbm

I've made this mistake before in my own previous post: To be clear, the comment above about FD being cited as a gregarious and confident person with no psychopathic tendencies was not by the author of the evaluation report under seal.

We don't know what the author said in testimony or his report. The comments published above were by the second evaluator.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Great posts here, everyone! I will reread them as there is so much important information to be understood. Thank you all! MOO.