Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #58

[citygirl]

Not surprising the "Gone Girl" coverage is all the Press seems to be discussing:

NBC CT Gone Girl

UGH

 

[citygirl]

IIRC the tailgate liner ( yes not cheap - I use contractor garbage bags in my tailgate instead lol)) was put by Fotis, standing end to end up againt the outside wall of a small grocery/bakery on the west bound side of Albany Ave (Scotts Jamaican Bakery?). We heard on the news from either the owner of that small store or an employee about it. It was after his trash dumping or during the process.
In my mind I see it happening - so was it caught on film ? I cannot remember.
At that time I was spenidng alot of time in Hartford and I remember driving by there. There is a MacDonald's south on the other side of Albany Rd/ rt44 a bit. And maybe a Walgreens in the area then also. The homeless guy who found the pillow and sold the knife or traded it for something, was "Fudge".
This area has many decent people trying to just get by - maybe immigrants without papers etc - as well as homeless/drug dealers etc. I have never felt unsafe driving that road in the daytime.
JMOI

I think it may have been caught on video.

 

[DeDee]

Witness is now explaining the pink strings in the photograph. Represent the flight pattern of the stains. Horizontal flight path.

Strings intersect at the center of photograph. The area of convergence where the strings intersect.

The goal of reconstruction is to determine a height at which the blood event occurred.

From LawAndCrime
The tall white item marks Lt Col Mark Davison's analysis of the "area of convergence"

Does this depict where a central portion of the crime of murder took place, right outside Jennifer's driver's side of her Range Rover parked at the steps leading into the mudroom?

The blood stains under the driver's side door came from a place either equal to, below or close to the garage floor. [down low]

Chuckled when the Honorable Judge gave the witness with impressive-credentials a promotion by calling him Colonel and not Lt Col prior to this portion of the afternoon trial testimony.

SS of Court Picture 19

 

[afitzy]

I think they were very similar heights... They're likely to be barefoot or wearing sandals in this picture.
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I honestly DK if FD overestimated his height (probably imo as he wore lift boots in many pics) or JD height was underestimated. I truly think 5'7" would split the difference on these issues as we tragically don't have an ME report to confirm the issue. If someone wants to fish out the FD autopsy report its out there and it would confirm his height. My recollection is the arrest document also reported his height.

 

[DeDee]

It seems she may have gone around the rear of the suburban, after being hit intially closer to when she was exiting the suburban - perhaps she was a bit bent over with her hands protecting/ holding her head trying to get away fom him - she was small to begin with - 5 ft + ish. So he hit her as she was crunched over trying to escape - makes me sick to my stomach.
All I can picture is either him either stabbing her or hitting her with like a hammer or a tire iron. And she kept trying to get away but he was relentless. He def gets her again in between the suburban and RRover.
The Lt Col indicated that there are at least two mutually exclusive events - with a minimum of two separate impacts in the garage.
jmo

Yes, the flow of the crime is a helpful aid for understanding the CS. Those horrendous low blows could also have been because Jennifer was knocked to her knees by the blows and she was not standing at all by the time she rounded the Suburban and was in between it and the RR.

The clean up swipes of her blood stains were inferred to possibly be from a cloth or even a mop!

What to make of the two mutually exclusive events? Two separate assaults occurred at two different time periods even if by just a few minutes? Fotis stopped so he could do something. Maybe he grabbed the pillow to silence her. He briefly paused the killing of the mother of his 5 children before finishing the job. Maybe eventually killing her by strangulation with his own gloved hands. What horrors beyond measure Jennifer endured!

What a totally hateful, spiteful, evil man Fotis Dulos was!

 

[pernickety]

If you are interested in the history on this check out the Hartford Courant articles and look for reference to homeless person named "Fudge". Perhaps this case will provide credible evidence to support the existence of this story? We don't have a witness list as the public so we don't even know if the "Reporter" from the Hartford Courant is on the list to testify.

To my knowledge we have never seen any photo or video of Fudge (or photo or video of person that gave up Fudge either for that matter) or mention of Fudge from law enforcement. Given the extensive video capabilities on Albany imo to the extent this person existed then the footage from Hartford Command would exist to support it. I also don't believe the original article contained any photographs by the "Reporter" of the person interviewed (no sourcing provided iirc) and at the time the article sourcing iirc was questioned and never supported by the "Reporter" and rumours existed that the source of the article might have been Atty Pattis or a member of firm.

Could the story as reported been true? I don't think we can know unless evidence exists to support it imo.

Here is a link to one of the "Fudge" stories that to me seemed like nothing more than a series of stories describing a 'snipe hunt'. If you know you know about snipe hunts.....


HC Fudge Article September

Dave Altimari was the Courant reporter who first reported about Fudge. Friend of Pattis, who also once wrote for the HC. I don't think DA is with the HC now. He writes for the online CT Mirror. If DA is called as a witness, wouldn't anything Fudge told him be hearsay?

 

[DeDee]

As long as I am finding fault with this trial, I want to also include the prosecution. I think they are spending way too much time and going into way too many details that are not necessary. The Blood Stain Analyst could have been much shorter, we do not need to hear about each and every stain, just get to the point!

My concern is we are 6 days in and other than being FD's mistress, no mention of MT's involvement in this. I do not think it is a good idea to keep the jury wondering/waiting this long to get to the nitty gritty.

The Prosecutor seemed to not possess a solid retrieval system for the CS photos at her disposal. There was far too much back and forth flashing on the screen of various photos with numbers only then not always open the proper photo so she'd need close it to toggle over to another file to open. She was good at extending apologies though.

The blood stain analysis expert Lt Col Mark Davison was on point as a respectful, no-nonsense kind of man IYKWIM. I'm glad someone of his caliber testified on Jennifer's behalf today. His articulate words were solemn and firm as he informed on how the blood stains of Jennifer's came to be found at the CS. There was extreme violence in two events perpetrated upon the victim. I must say: a bullet to the head would have been quicker and less painful for Jen.

LawAndCrime a local said the memorial for Jennifer was updated at the beginning of this trial. Here's a reminder of the original FEB 2020.

 

[citygirl]

I grew up in New Haven (an hour away and similar to Hartford) and live right outside of Hartford now, and as someone who has lived in CT my whole life, none of this surprises me. People who need and aren't getting assistance have to do what they can and have a lot more info on the local day-to-day than those outside of the community. The haves cast such judgment and aspersions on the have-nots, and I think that is part of the reason FD chose Albany Ave to dump stuff. I also think he's an idiot for not realizing high crime areas and Hartford in general have LOTS of cameras.

I would also add they have a tighter knit community unlike those in the wealthier areas and readily help one another.
MOO.

 

[citygirl]

The Prosecutor seemed to not possess a solid retrieval system for the CS photos at her disposal. There was far too much back and forth flashing on the screen of various photos with numbers only then not always open the proper photo so she'd need close it to toggle over to another file to open. She was good at extending apologies though.

The blood stain analysis expert Lt Col Mark Davison was on point as a respectful, no-nonsense kind of man IYKWIM. I'm glad someone of his caliber testified on Jennifer's behalf today. His articulate words were solemn and firm as he informed on how the blood stains of Jennifer's came to be found at the CS. Their was extreme violence in two events perpetrated upon the victim. I must say: a bullet to the head would have been quicker and less painful for Jen.

LawAndCrime a local said the memorial for Jennifer was updated at the beginning of this trial. Here's a reminder of the original FEB 2020.

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The former BPA man was very good but wound more tightly.Trained at the Naval Academy. Davison is respectable but more relaxed and ready to take JS on. Should be interesting.

 

[DeDee]

I’m a little behind. Watching the nanny testimony and I don’t know why but I’m getting weird vibes from her. Her lack of emotion is a major reason. As the prosecutor took her through the day Jennifer disappeared she doesn’t cry or appear close to getting emotional. She has a detached affect. I expected she would be more emotional and give that spark of life testimony. To bring Jennifer’s loss more in focus…and we got nothing from her! JMO

LA spoke in glowing terms of Jennifer's sweet disposition with her children and eventual constant fear of Fotis. The Nanny wore a silver 5 charm on a chain around her neck bc she's been a Nanny of the 5 children for something like a decade.

Maybe what I sensed was more of righteous indignation. LA may be displaying a tinge of anger because she lost a wonderful friend and 5 beautiful children lost their irreplaceable mother. The violence of the heinous acts may anger LA due to the injustice of what these evil wrongdoers are accused of doing to a precious person, dear friend, lovely daughter and mother of 5. It was unnecessary overkill. #WhereIsJennifer

 

[Megnut]

LA spoke in glowing terms of Jennifer's sweet disposition with her children and eventual constant fear of Fotis. The Nanny wore a silver 5 charm on a chain around her neck bc she's been a Nanny of the 5 children for something like a decade.

Maybe what I sensed was more of righteous indignation. LA may be displaying a tinge of anger because she lost a wonderful friend and 5 beautiful children lost their irreplaceable mother. The violence of the heinous acts may anger LA due to the injustice of what these evil wrongdoers are accused of doing to a precious person, dear friend, lovely daughter and mother of 5. It was unnecessary overkill. #WhereIsJennifer

My impression as well. Likely steeled herself. Partly at the direction of the Prosecution, partly to honor JFd. Righteous indignation indeed. She was very controlled. Sincere. Credible.

So thankful that JFd confided in her. Her children are safe because of it.

JMO

 

[citygirl]

LA spoke in glowing terms of Jennifer's sweet disposition with her children and eventual constant fear of Fotis. The Nanny wore a silver 5 charm on a chain around her neck bc she's been a Nanny of the 5 children for something like a decade.

Maybe what I sensed was more of righteous indignation. LA may be displaying a tinge of anger because she lost a wonderful friend and 5 beautiful children lost their irreplaceable mother. The violence of the heinous acts may anger LA due to the injustice of what these evil wrongdoers are accused of doing to a precious person, dear friend, lovely daughter and mother of 5. It was unnecessary overkill. #WhereIsJennifer

Lest we forget her demeanor when she needed to point to the defendant. Spoke volumes, IMO.

 

[afitzy]

Dave Altimari was the Courant reporter who first reported about Fudge. Friend of Pattis, who also once wrote for the HC. I don't think DA is with the HC now. He writes for the online CT Mirror. If DA is called as a witness, wouldn't anything Fudge told him be hearsay?

If DA had provided any information or specific evidence gained from his tour of Albany Avenue and time spent playing Inspector clouseau on the issue of “fudge” and such information had been investigated by law enforcement then this issue could have been put to bed once and for all.

I personally think the appropriate course of action would have been to provide any information to law enforcement given this was a criminal investigation at the time the article was written. DA allegedly had ties to law enforcement and was routinely fed information by law enforcement on the case if I recall. I don’t know what or if DA did with any information he gained in his alleged investigation. Perhaps he did the right thing and contacted law enforcement but we just don’t know and I don’t believe he ever spoke further about the matter either. Perhaps he will now? I’m not holding my breath waiting…..

Idk if there are specific exceptions for “reporters” testifying at trial on matters of their work using protected sources?

Also, I believe Mr pattis might be on the witness list so perhaps he might shed light on the issue of “fudge” under oath as well. Again, not holding my breath on this ever happening.

Does anyone know if an attorney that has had their license suspended to practice for I believe 6 months in CT should be referred to as “attorney”? Imo NO. So, will refer to him as Mr. Pattis as he has no license at the moment I believe.

At the time I was in the camp that believed Mr Pattis should have been censored, fined or had license pulled for the “gone girl” stunt which went on for months and was endlessly discussed in the press to the exclusion imo of sharing information with the public that might have beem Helpful on this tragic case.

Mr Pattis imo repeated unsubstantiated information in the case and victim shamed and slammed for months and he did this with any member of the press that would take his call imo. The reposters did work closely with Mr Pattis and my recollection is DA was one of his closest contacts.

The Farber family pursued Mr Pattis in civil litigation (might have been 2 cases) and I believe there was a sealed settlement that precludes him from writing about the case for a period of time and idk whether the settlement precludes him from publicly discussing the case too but my suspicion is it might. Here is paywalled article: Attorney Norm Pattis, law partner barred from speaking about Jennifer Farber Dulos case for 40 years under agreement to settle estate of Fotis Dulos

 

[afitzy]

TP has made repeated claims of Hearsay in many of his objections in this trial. He often makes his claims with no explanation which imo isn’t helpful to the jury or public watching and I would think the Judge would find this irritating given the somewhat complex nature of the topic. So far I believe many of these objections have been denied. TP seems to be lobbing in claims of hearsay with no explanation in hopes that Judge will sustain even a few. Idk why objections without full explanation are being permitted by this Judge as imo I’m not sensing full preparation from the defense such that their claims of possible hearsay could be argued.

State imo has done very weak job explaining why particular contested testimony is not hearsay but I did notice today atty manning finally made a coherent explanation on the topic which might have been understood and appreciated by the jurors and public watching.

CT.gov Hearsay


For those interested or even TP for a possible refresher I think this is the relevant info on the topic from CT.gov. If I am incorrect on relevancy just send me dm and I will adjust.

 

[Jmoose]

Interpreter is very distracting today.
MOO.

Probably intentional. My friend who has been in the courtroom twice told me that the interpreter is located just feet away from the jury, across the room from the ones who are in alleged need of an interpreter. Just imagine how distracting that must be. If I was a juror, I would complain.

 

[Jmoose]

Did JS really refer to it as spLatter?

sigh

jmo

He is constantly referring to “spatter”, as “splatter”

 

[Jmoose]

Two thoughts here:

1. Are WeatherTek liners expensive? Because if they are, there would be a high probability someone would take them if they seemed abandoned. As was alluded to, Hartford is a high crime area, and also on the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum. The median household income is $36k, whereas the median income in CT overall is $80k. FD 100% knew this and knew they would likely be snatched up by someone sooner than later.

2. After the blood spatter evidence today and Albany Ave coming up, it made me think of early on... A man came forward alleging to have found a knife in a trash can and taking it shortly after FD dumped trash bags. He then traded it to someone else I believe and it was never recovered. Could this really have been the murder weapon after all? Or was this debunked and I just can't recall?

They aren’t cheap-and they are well-made, so they are something that a person would want to take if they found it there like that

 

[Jmoose]

I’m a little behind. Watching the nanny testimony and I don’t know why but I’m getting weird vibes from her. Her lack of emotion is a major reason. As the prosecutor took her through the day Jennifer disappeared she doesn’t cry or appear close to getting emotional. She has a detached affect. I expected she would be more emotional and give that spark of life testimony. To bring Jennifer’s loss more in focus…and we got nothing from her! JMO

I disagree-I think her emotion was anger-at the defense, at Fotis, at MT

 

[Megnut]

I disagree-I think her emotion was anger-at the defense, at Fotis, at MT

Excellent point. She has no shortage of justification -- what FD did to JFd, what MT conspired in, what trauma and loss that foist upon the children, but I think it's important to remember that FD betrayed her too. She once believed him to be a quality person, a mentor. He violated all of that. He violated everything.

And to see MT there snapping her gum like she's sitting in a high school home ec class, I'm feeling some holy anger too.

I go back to that day, LA's incredible presence of mind, to gather all five children and bring them to the safety of GF, to resist all of FD's attempted manipulations, and to have remained with the children to date, provinding love and stability, it's extraordinary.

JMO

 

[waldojabba]

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/michelle-troconis-trial-day-6-jennifer-dulos-ct-18616561.php

Rehash of court yesterday.
Below JS comments after court:

While leaving court following the conclusion of testimony, Schoenhorn said he would continue to object to police characterizing what the footage depicted, but not videos themselves being shown to the jury, which he said will “speak for themselves.”

He said the trial was “extremely stressful” for Troconis, who he said has only been linked to the case thus far by testimony from the Dulos family’s former nanny.

“The state’s apparently going to try and prove that Fotis Dulos murdered his wife. My client’s not charged with that,” he said. “So even if they prove all that, that doesn’t necessarily lead to any other conclusion.”