Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #59

[afitzy]

Police say 30 stops but clarify that this was incorrect. Kimball confirms it’s not a ruse.

 

[Jmoose]

Did you guys notice she isn’t using the translator today? To translate her own English back to her?

 

[afitzy]

MT clearly says she was talking to her friend. No mention of Mama Troconis. She mentions Petu who was leaving on a trip. I wonder if this confirmation will be made at trial as the cell records from Petu can confirm.

 

[Jmoose]

Does anyone understand how EW School can be afforded on $4,000/month child support? Day student rate is close to $40,000 year back then. I have questions….likely that JF was paying for 6 children to be in private school. MOO

There was speculation that Fotis was paying for Nicole’s schooling (with Farber money, of course). I would like to see a deep dive into the finances, but with him dead, and the estate, such as it was, settled, I don’t believe that will happen.

 

[marcom]

Does anyone understand how EW School can be afforded on $4,000/month child support? Day student rate is close to $40,000 year back then. I have questions….likely that JF was paying for 6 children to be in private school. MOO

I used to work there and other private schools. They always had trouble filling the middle school. Lots of discounts and scholarships. And day students don't pay full fee as they don't board.

 

[afitzy]

I’d like to see a visual of what MT described in this first interview and the placement of the vehicles. Words are not cutting it today with this MT performance it needs visual. These people seemed to be constantly moving vehicles for whatever reason.

I did find it interesting that MT said that FD drove the Cherokee quite a bit. I thought that he drove mainly the Suburban when PG had the Raptor.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Police say 30 stops but clarify that this was incorrect. Kimball confirms it’s not a ruse.

They addressed this yesterday, it’s the number of times he stopped at red lights too, and maybe capture same stop on more than 1 camera.

 

[afitzy]

There was speculation that Fotis was paying for Nicole’s schooling (with Farber money, of course). I would like to see a deep dive into the finances, but with him dead, and the estate, such as it was, settled, I don’t believe that will happen.

Yes, sadly the tax returns were sealed by Probate too if I recall. Agree nothing will be done. But, imo it makes both FD and MT grifters and MT clearly benefited from Farber money and clearly a motive here for the murder imo. MOO

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I used to work there and other private schools. They always had trouble filling the middle school. Lots of discounts and scholarships. And day students don't pay full fee as they don't board.

MT gets big child support and like $200k lump sum from baby daddy. I saw some news story about this. The man sees child 2x a year for holidays, he’s the owner or manager of that ski resort in Argentina.
JF family very wealthy, likely she has trust or grandparents helping. Some schools have twin or bulk discounts for bigger families 5 or 10% discount each additional child.

Girlfriend of Jennifer Dulos' husband has lovechild with Olympic skier

Michelle Troconis, 44, was arrested with boyfriend Fotis Dulos, 51, in connection with his missing wife Jennifer Dulos. DailyMail.com can reveal she has a 12-year-old love child.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[afitzy]

Did she just say that she was trying to stay aware of the time because she usually has to pick up N from school at 3, but then remembered that that day, she did not have to pickup as N was going somewhere else that afternoon?

I remember that someone here speculated long ago that N wasn't at 4JC that afternoon - was that @afitzy or @Tink56?...

IDK who discussed it but the speculation iirc was that N was purposefully not at 4JX and could have been picked up by a friends or some other person (Mama Troconis was even mentioned here iirc). IMO and that of others this change to the schedule would have had to have been prearranged with whoever was doing the pickup and would imply planning and participation most likely by MT. This no afternoon school pickup situation (and MT forgetting about it) always seemed odd to many I believe because the school schedule was fairly consistent in terms of drop off and pick ups by all accounts.

 

[Diddian]

I like how measured Judge Randolph is when considering objections vs State's response. He often repeats the objection, corrects it if what the attorney describes as the basis for the objection is in fact something other than originally stated (i.e., relevance rather than hearsay, etc.), then outlines his thinking about the matter before stating his ruling.

He is demonstrating how to deliberate in front of the jury. Take your time, hear others concerned, think it through, apply reason, and then rule.

 

[afitzy]

MT gets big child support and like $200k lump sum from baby daddy. I saw some news story about this. The man sees child 2x a year for holidays, he’s the owner or manager of that ski resort in Argentina.
JF family very wealthy, likely she has trust or grandparents helping. Some schools have twin or bulk discounts for bigger families 5 or 10% discount each additional child.

Girlfriend of Jennifer Dulos' husband has lovechild with Olympic skier

Michelle Troconis, 44, was arrested with boyfriend Fotis Dulos, 51, in connection with his missing wife Jennifer Dulos. DailyMail.com can reveal she has a 12-year-old love child.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Yes, per the settlement agreement with the baby daddy the $200,000 was to be used for housing and my recollection was that MT bought a place in Vail. IDK if this happened or if it was sold but I do believe the daughter is in training at Vail. MT is supposedly in Breckenridge which is maybe 35 odd miles from Vail iirc.

 

[afitzy]

I like how measured Judge Randolph is when considering objections vs State's response. He often repeats the objection, corrects it if what the attorney describes as the basis for the objection is in fact something other than originally stated (i.e., relevance rather than hearsay, etc.), then outlines his thinking about the matter before stating his ruling.

He is demonstrating how to deliberate in front of the jury. Take your time, hear others concerned, think it through, apply reason, and then rule.

YES. I am trying to be inspired by his excellent example but sadly I am failing today. Sorry. MOO

 

[Diddian]

YES. I am trying to be inspired by his excellent example but sadly I am failing today. Sorry. MOO

Well, at least you have to admit that the jury will never be left wondering what JAS didn't say!

 

[afitzy]

Well, at least you have to admit that the jury will never be left wondering what JAS didn't say!

IMO TP is losing the plot and rapidly. Today I actually looked inside his ear to see if some ear device were there that connected him to the appeal atty handling the case. I can just imagine the voice saying, ">>>>OBJECT NOW, OBJECT NOW, OBJECT NOW....." and up pops TP but doesn't wait for the person in the earpiece to tell him why he is objecting. But its the objections that are improperly identified where the Judge is schooling him on his errors that is frankly becoming embarrassing.

He is writing their appeal case right before our eyes.

IMO his efforts would be better served defending his client as he appears ill prepared and frankly unfocused imo.
MOO

 

[Diddian]

@Alkali13, or anyone else from that area: I am curious what the area around Canton is like. Are there waterways around there that have quite a bit of private access? An abandoned quarry?

I ask because I've long noted that on MT's alibi script, the afternoon hours appear to be bookended by the issue of "rugs" (she brought them up a couple times in the interview so far). Around 11:30 or thereabouts, she calls "Barbara" to tell her that she doesn't know where the rugs are. (In the interview, she mentions a warehouse or somewhere else in Canton.). Then at the end of the day after PG has arrived in Farmington, at roughly 5, she claims she left to go check on the rugs, but then realized that we would not make it to the store before 5:30 closing, so turned back around and called Barbara to say she'd do it the next day.

This captured my attention because I've often wondered if JFD's body was wrapped (say bagged, rolled up in her own cargo liner) and so wrapped, it looked like a bound up rug. The zip ties used were long - 36" - so much longer than needed merely to restrain wrists and ankles, possibly long enough to wrap around and secure a rolled up liner.

Did MT feel a need to explain a bundle that might look like a rolled up rug that had been taken to somewhere around Canton?

ETA: Let me just add that I looked up routes. From 69 Welles Ln to Canton is roughly 80 miles (1-1/2 hours) taking Route 15 to Nichols, Route 8 thru Waterbury to Torrington, and Route 4/202 from Torrington to Canton. From Canton to 80 MS Rd is roughly 10 miles (20 minutes) through either West Avon or Avon. Total travel time is 1 hour 50 minutes.

From 10:30 am to 1:36 pm (when both FD and MT arrive together in separate vehicles to 80 MS Rd) is a little over 3 hours. So if taken to Canton, that would leave 1 hour and 10-15 minutes time to dispose of a body.

 

[Diddian]

IMO TP is losing the plot and rapidly. Today I actually looked inside his ear to see if some ear device were there that connected him to the appeal atty handling the case. I can just imagine the voice saying, ">>>>OBJECT NOW, OBJECT NOW, OBJECT NOW....." and up pops TP but doesn't wait for the person in the earpiece to tell him why he is objecting. But its the objections that are improperly identified where the Judge is schooling him on his errors that is frankly becoming embarrassing.

He is writing their appeal case right before our eyes.

IMO his efforts would be better served defending his client as he appears ill prepared and frankly unfocused imo.
MOO

In response to the objections, do you get the sense at all that Judge Randolph is likely to make an error that would result in an overturning of a conviction? He seems to me very legally astute, measured, and well-reasoning.

Does he have any kind of history of having convictions reached in his Court overturned?

 

[Megnut]

@Alkali13, or anyone else from that area: I am curious what the area around Canton is like. Are there waterways around there that have quite a bit of private access? An abandoned quarry?

I ask because I've long noted that on MT's alibi script, the afternoon hours appear to be bookended by the issue of "rugs" (she brought them up a couple times in the interview so far). Around 11:30 or thereabouts, she calls "Barbara" to tell her that she doesn't know where the rugs are. (In the interview, she mentions a warehouse or somewhere else in Canton.). Then at the end of the day after PG has arrived in Farmington, at roughly 5, she claims she left to go check on the rugs, but then realized that we would not make it to the store before 5:30 closing, so turned back around and called Barbara to say she'd do it the next day.

This captured my attention because I've often wondered if JFD's body was wrapped (say bagged, rolled up in her own cargo liner) and so wrapped, it looked like a bound up rug. The zip ties used were long - 36" - so much longer than needed merely to restrain wrists and ankles, possibly long enough to wrap around and secure a rolled up liner.

Did MT feel a need to explain a bundle that might look like a rolled up rug that had been taken to somewhere around Canton?

ETA: Let me just add that I looked up routes. From 69 Welles Ln to Canton is roughly 80 miles (1-1/2 hours) taking Route 15 to Nichols, Route 8 thru Waterbury to Torrington, and Route 4/202 from Torrington to Canton. From Canton to 80 MS Rd is roughly 10 miles (20 minutes) through either West Avon or Avon. Total travel time is 1 hour 50 minutes.

From 10:30 am to 1:36 pm (when both FD and MT arrive together in separate vehicles to 80 MS Rd) is a little over 3 hours. So if taken to Canton, that would leave 1 hour and 10-15 minutes time to dispose of a body.

MOOMOOMOO

Did they use rugs intended for a client because they were on hand and the defendant had to dance around a delay in delivery to the client? Effectively check's (rugs') in the mail?

Perhaps that's how the body was moved TO 80MS. If a third vehicle was in play. Maybe there was much improvisation.

MOOMOOMOO

 

[Diddian]

MOOMOOMOO

Did they use rugs intended for a client because they were on hand and the defendant had to dance around a delay in delivery to the client? Effectively check's (rugs') in the mail?

Perhaps that's how the body was moved TO 80MS. If a third vehicle was in play. Maybe there was much improvisation.

MOOMOOMOO

My personal opinion is that the body was never at 80 MS, but was taken from New Canaan by FD in his own Suburban to an intermediate site that LE has not determined. And that when FD arrived at 80 MS Rd at 1:36 pm in his Suburban, following behind MT driving the Jeep - that was the first time he was at 80 MS Rd since he departed there in the Toyota Tacoma that morning (bike on board).

 

[happyperson]

@Alkali13, or anyone else from that area: I am curious what the area around Canton is like. Are there waterways around there that have quite a bit of private access? An abandoned quarry?

I ask because I've long noted that on MT's alibi script, the afternoon hours appear to be bookended by the issue of "rugs" (she brought them up a couple times in the interview so far). Around 11:30 or thereabouts, she calls "Barbara" to tell her that she doesn't know where the rugs are. (In the interview, she mentions a warehouse or somewhere else in Canton.). Then at the end of the day after PG has arrived in Farmington, at roughly 5, she claims she left to go check on the rugs, but then realized that we would not make it to the store before 5:30 closing, so turned back around and called Barbara to say she'd do it the next day.

This captured my attention because I've often wondered if JFD's body was wrapped (say bagged, rolled up in her own cargo liner) and so wrapped, it looked like a bound up rug. The zip ties used were long - 36" - so much longer than needed merely to restrain wrists and ankles, possibly long enough to wrap around and secure a rolled up liner.

Did MT feel a need to explain a bundle that might look like a rolled up rug that had been taken to somewhere around Canton?

ETA: Let me just add that I looked up routes. From 69 Welles Ln to Canton is roughly 80 miles (1-1/2 hours) taking Route 15 to Nichols, Route 8 thru Waterbury to Torrington, and Route 4/202 from Torrington to Canton. From Canton to 80 MS Rd is roughly 10 miles (20 minutes) through either West Avon or Avon. Total travel time is 1 hour 50 minutes.

From 10:30 am to 1:36 pm (when both FD and MT arrive together in separate vehicles to 80 MS Rd) is a little over 3 hours. So if taken to Canton, that would leave 1 hour and 10-15 minutes time to dispose of a body.

Canton is very woodsy, even more so than Simsbury and Avon. Simsbury and Avon are more built up, but also have very dense areas of woods. Lots of water around, easily private access.